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[[Welcoming|Welcome]] to [[WikiIndex]]. Glad you are here and have added [[Goatopedia]]. Best, [[MarkDilley]]
==Pages for deletion==
: Hi Mark, thanks for the welcome :)  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] 01:44, 19 June 2011 (PDT)
Hi, please review [[:Category:Pages for deletion|Category:Pages for deletion]] and delete those pages. Several pages have accumulated during the absence of the administrators. Thanks. --[[User:Usa11|Usa11]] ([[User talk:Usa11|talk]]) 16:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


== Hello ==
:Good day, thanks for welcoming me. I created a new user page so that's okay, thanks anyway for the proposal. For the wikis that I have marked as to be deleted, they are all unreachable through archive sites such as archive.org, so the actual existence of those wikis is questioned. --[[User:Usa11|Usa11]] ([[User talk:Usa11|talk]]) 12:07, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi Hoof Hearted,<br/>
nice to meet you :) --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 03:57, 20 June 2011 (PDT)
:Hi Wolf, like wise, thanks and regards :) [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] 04:42, 20 June 2011 (PDT)


== Can you help with this? ==
==Account==
[[Template:Wiki]] - I want to add [[Template:Size]] into it. Best, [[MarkDilley]]
I requested an account. Could you please accept it? [[Special:Contributions/172.26.12.237|172.26.12.237]] 18:33, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
:Hmmm . . . that looks a bit too much for meIf/when I feel brave, I'll have a go in my sandbox, and let you know how I get on.  I'm not promising anything though !  Rgds, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] 02:43, 21 June 2011 (PDT)
:Hello [[Special:Contributions/172.26.12.237|172.26.12.237]]. Can you please advise me the [[username]] you used for requesting a new account?  Thanks--[[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 19:12, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
:: ''Hah! been too much for me too. :-) ~~ [[MarkDilley]]''
::That would be "{{U|MJL}}" :) [[Special:Contributions/172.26.12.237|172.26.12.237]] 22:51, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
:::Now approved.  Welcome to WikiIndex


== AboutUs ==
==Please delete==
[[Image:Mark-all-edits-minor-by-default.png|thumb|right|don't do this unless you really know what you're doning]]
Hey HH! Could you please delete Category:Pedosexuality?
The edit you made to [[AboutUs]] - you made as a minor edit. Any reason that you did it that way?  Seems like a major edit to me.  Please see my response to you on the talk page.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
: I think, to mark an edit minor was a mistake that can happen quickly in the rush, or is it per [[Special:Preferences|preferences]]? What an odd idea of the MediaWiki developers, to provide such an option! Best, [[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 12:10, 29 June 2011 (PDT)


Wolf has the answer ''why'' it was marked as a minor edit - my preferences are set like that, because ''most'' of my edits usually are!  And I guess I clicked the save page in haste.  But what are the 'ground rules' here for what consitutes a minor vs major edit?  Is it the amount of 'content', or the quality of the 'context'?  Because my edit on AboutUs was minor in content, but I suppose quite major in context . . . Perhaps we need to copy wikipedias policy on minor edits, and amend it accordingly to suit WikiIndex (unless it is already hiding somewhere on this site!)  And I'll head over to [[Talk:AboutUs]] and discuss further.  Kind regards, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] 12:42, 29 June 2011 (PDT)
Thanks! &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times, times">[[User:MJL|<span style="color:black">MJL</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:MJL|‐'''Talk''']]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/MJL|]]</sup></span> 23:00, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
: I think minor means a comma or so. The problem with setting this by default is that this mistakes happen. Most edits are minor to the editor, but a ''giant step back for mankind!'' ;) Best --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 12:52, 29 June 2011 (PDT)
:{{Done}}  --[[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 09:38, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


: ''gotcha! ;-)'' ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
==incels dot wiki vs incelwiki.com==
incels dot wiki was legitimately stolen from the creators and main writers of the material itself, (this is a moderated wiki with only like 3-4 particularly active users ever) and since it was stolen, at least one writer (Wizard32) has put on very sketchy URLs on at least one page of incels dot wiki, which they haven't removed for months.  They host it on their server, which also hosts a site of theirs which we've found is under heavy investigation by law enforcement. They own sanctionedsuicide and we shouldn't be advertising anything on their servers imho.


== Nice work! ==
*https://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2021/06/07/site-blocked-for-helping-youngsters-to-kill-themselves_da6fbf6d-8b7f-414d-ab43-d32026479077.html. "Site blocked for helping youngsters to kill themselves"
just wanted to drop you a note. Best, [[MarkDilley]]
*"Rome prosecutors on Monday blocked an Internet site that hosted a community created to help young people to kill themselves following a probe into the recent suicides of two Italian teenagers. The community on the Sanctioned Suicide site had 17,000 members from all over the world."
*https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tasneemnashrulla/incels-suicide-forum-woman-killed-herself
*"Incels Are Running An Online Suicide Forum That Was Blamed For A Young Woman’s Death"  "Marquis [aka 'Master/Randy'] told BuzzFeed News on Wednesday that he and his cofounder are both incels and founded sites such as Incels.co, Incels Wiki, Looksmax.me, the Manosphere, and Blackpill.online."


:Thanks, I hope I'm not making any more n00bie mistakes!  Kind regards, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] 01:06, 27 September 2011 (PDT)
'''This is not a group I would trust as a source on even their own sites''' Following reports of minors on their sanctionedsuicide.com (now sanctioned-suicide.org) dying, Epik dropped all their sites, followed by what seems to be Tucows or Njalla.  Years ago it was Afilias that dropped all their sites.


== My edit ==
*https://fixthe26.com/sanctioned-suicide-dot-com-is-teaching-children-how-to-end-their-own-lives/
[http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk%3AHoof_Hearted&action=historysubmit&diff=87903&oldid=87902 here] ... was a test only. I didn't make a screenshot of it, because it would had been too large. I hope this is ok. Best --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 02:24, 27 September 2011 (PDT)
*"Sanctioned Suicide dot Com Is Teaching CHILDREN How To End Their Own Lives"
:I'm confused . . . :/ . . .   [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] 03:56, 27 September 2011 (PDT)
*"The SanctionedSuicide.com web site is currently providing forum-based coaching, advice, and detailed instructions about how to commit suicide … TO CHILDREN. The site operators and supporters claim that access to the site is denied to anyone under the age of 18. However, a recent survey of the membership clearly shows that approximately 5-8 percent of the membership is under the age of 18. Even a cursory examination of the site clearly demonstrates that the site operators and members are well aware that there are minors using the site. They continue to advise and coach these minors on how to end their own lives."
::Maybe the image on the right made the difference - to my Browser? (FF 6.0) - with this last reply by you, there was no problem. --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 04:13, 27 September 2011 (PDT) <small>ps: what exactly confuses you ?</small>
*https://fixthe26.com/suicide-prevention-town-hall-parents-say-website-coached-kids-to-take-their-own-lives/
*https://news4sanantonio.com/news/trouble-shooters/that-was-the-gun-parents-say-website-coached-kids-to-take-their-own-lives?fbclid=IwAR0Hx6Xa3SI5PI1ZlIV621ZXpFGGzCipsL6C6hGsVTjLqy8QO93rVTH9JSI "Suicide Prevention Town Hall: Parents say website coached kids to take their own lives" "SAN ANTONIO – Parents whose children were already struggling with depression believe one website pushed them over the edge and actually coached them to take their own lives. The Trouble Shooters are taking you inside the battle to get the website shut down. We don’t take sharing this story lightly, but parents do need to know what their children have access to online."
*Suicide Prevention Town Hall: Parents say website coached kids to take their own lives https://news4sanantonio.com/news/trouble-shooters/that-was-the-gun-parents-say-website-coached-kids-to-take-their-own-lives?fbclid=IwAR0Hx6Xa3SI5PI1ZlIV621ZXpFGGzCipsL6C6hGsVTjLqy8QO93rVTH9JSI


115 times 3 times 7 equals 2415 plus the leftovers on the next page here http://stargate-wiki.org/wiki/Special:AllPages such a thing IS verifiable as you can EASILY access that info.
"In the United States, anyone under the age of 18 is legally a minor.  There is no ambiguity here. These are children, the site operators, and members know it, yet continue to discuss the act of suicide in great detail as if they are above or beyond both legal or moral reach." --owner of fixthe26th


Well as i created that page and own the freakin' wiki then yes i can manipulate the stats. YOUR edits are unconstructive and biased and seek to misrepresent the wiki. Wiki stats can be hardcored to say theres 50,000,000 pages when there could only be 4, while All Pages does show how many there really are, stats can also be wrong, as is the case with my wiki. As far as I am concerned, your edits appear more to be vandalism. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 05:07, 28 September 2011 (PDT)
I don't think we should be advertising any sites on their server, especially considering what seem to be sketchy URLs on .wiki rn that was added by a writer after they stole it. The owners of those sites call themselves 'master' and 'sergeantincel', they own incels.is (formerly incels.co/incels.me)/sanctionedsuicide etc, and have been dropped by multiple registrars.


== Tidying ==
Which is why I moved the article I wrote to .com.  We have nothing to do with incels.is and their sites/wikis.  They just let us use a mediawiki installation for a year until they hijacked it. They lorded it over us the entire time and always tried to push sociopathy on the wiki. We created their "general disclaimer" ourselves, and also individually released under CC on our talk pages so they couldn't have them claim we weren't who we were after the new domain.  Since we released under CC individually on talk pages, we aren't pursuing legal options against .wiki but we do have discord records of them claiming that we owned it. (Discord allows exports of private conservations, and retains deleted messagesBut .wiki is mostly inactive compared to .com, and is dramatically smaller as wellIt's our wiki stuck in 2018 plus garbage they added after they banned everyone.  .com also has 5 languages. 14:53, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi Hoof Hearted, <br/>
I think that it is not a good idea to "tidy" user-namespace or discussion pages. And the spaces between <code>==&nbsp;Headline&nbsp;==</code> and headline markup can help recognizing the article structure faster (for me it is like this). <br/>
Best regards. [[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 03:47, 2 January 2012 (PST)
:Hi Wolf – and Happy New Year to you :)  In trying to 'improve' [[WikiIndex]], particularly in the internal '[[wiki Links|wikilinks]]' aspect, I've been reading talk pages to see which way discussions and concensus was heading – but many seemed devioid of wikilinks (maybe because these were shortly after the 'birth' of WikiIndex, and said pages and/or templates had yet to be created)! The tidying is primarily adding these wikilinks (which are one of the fundamentals of a 'good' wiki, help prevent duplicate entries being created, and give pointers to future readers of talk pages); and the removal of excessive whitespace – with the aid of the <code><nowiki>{{TOCright}}</nowiki></code> (excessive whitespace is a pain in the rear on low resolution or smaller monitor screens such as netbooks, tablets (iPads and the likes) and smartphones - because you end up having to scroll excessively).<br>
:I do not understand your concern over this: <code>==&nbsp;Headline&nbsp;==</code> – and the different effects it creates between this: <code>==Headline==</code> ?? I ''was'' aware of some older browsers (particularly early Firefox versions) had problems rendering certain web codes – but I thought those issues had been resolved!  I personally use either IE8, Comodo Dragon 16 (based on Google Chrome) or Firefox 8.0 – and don't have any issues of display renderingPerhaps I have mis-understood, if I have, would you be kind enough to explain further. – Best regards, --[[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] 06:54, 2 January 2012 (PST)
:: Regarding the space next to the headings: I referred to wikitext readability, not HTML rendering. ...and Happy New Year to ''you'' :-) <br/> Best regards [[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 13:11, 3 January 2012 (PST)


==Need to ask a question off wiki==
'''Sources:'''
Is there a means to contact you off wiki as I have a question for you that you might be able to answer for me as you seem to understand MediaWiki? Thanks in advance! [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] 12:07, 2 January 2012 (PST)
*https://web.archive.org/web/20200518180809/https:/twitter.com/IncelsCo/status/1262271865093083140
::Got your email HH and I replied! Thank you again! [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] 06:43, 9 January 2012 (PST)
*https://archive.fo/bK1Tv
*http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11311 ("William at the Incel Wiki, who is the admin of it, is Willwill0415 (T-C-L) on Wikipedia and Neiltyson1fan on RationalWiki.") --> William moved to .com over a year ago  [[User:William Lupinacci|William Lupinacci]] ([[User talk:William Lupinacci|talk]]) 14:55, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


== Your work ==
If you still want to keep incels.wiki on, can we have our own page? We also run a huge wiki farm and can add our others, most of which have nothing to do with incels [[User:William Lupinacci|William Lupinacci]] ([[User talk:William Lupinacci|talk]]) 15:06, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello, your work has been awesome. Please don't take my work as meaning it isn't.  There were a lot of mistakes in the deletions, I think because of a template that drew in some delete pages, I was just trying to fix those and understand others, granted hurriedly.  I didn't have a ton of time, so I defaulted to the way I communicate on a wiki most times, via recent changes, I was positive you would see that :-)  I will try to grab some more time to look at other stuff. Please [[AssumeGoodFaith]] with me as will I :-)  I look forward to working wikily with you.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
: OK, cool - thanks for getting back to me, and my apologies if I appeared to 'hassle' you; I guess time is short for us all, hence why I thought you were maybe 'avoiding' me!  Kind regards, and best for 2012 :)  --[[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] 07:00, 8 January 2012 (PST)
:: ''Not a hassle at all, the thrill of active collaboration!!  I look forward to working wikily with you more and more.  Figuring out all things that lay ahead.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]''


== userspace edits ==
Hi Hoof Hearted,<br/>
as I have already indicated, in my opinion, there is hardly any change in the competence of other users that are so urgent that it can not be left to them. I would prefer to send them a message about it at first, i.e. I question the value of [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User%3AWikademia&action=historysubmit&diff=92219&oldid=74372 changes like this]. Best regards, [[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 03:08, 10 January 2012 (PST)


== Broken language templates [fixed] ==
Thanks :) [[User:William Lupinacci|William Lupinacci]] ([[User talk:William Lupinacci|talk]]) 15:07, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi Hoof Hearted, <br/>
some templates seem to be broken, I suspect it's after one of the recent edits to language templates for user pages.
For instance your user pages looks not really good and my own too. :-(
Sadly I've not enough time right now. Would you be so kind as to have a look to it? <br/>
Many thanks in advance! Best, [[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 04:42, 10 January 2012 (PST)
: Maybe we could eliminate the - useless - table from the template? [...] --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 14:24, 10 January 2012 (PST)
:: I repaired the templates, I hope I got them all. If you encounter any suspect layouts, please let me know! Best --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 13:06, 9 February 2012 (PST)


== Contact problems, reloaded ==
==Semantics on pages==
Hi HH, <br/>
Thanks for all your great work: I'm glad to see you taking ownership around here again. Of course, I'm here to complain but on pages like [[Federated wiki (concept)]], you've used semantic elements that don't match the content, like a semi-colon to start a definition list but all you really want is bold. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 03:31, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
a contact opportunity via wiki mail would be not sooo bad, I think. I uploaded a (kind of) howto and linked it to Tera's talk page - I guess you already have seen it. Best, [[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 14:27, 10 January 2012 (PST)
:I'm confused!  [[Federated wiki (concept)]] (the article) does not have any semantic data, because it does not use use the {{Template|Wiki}} infobox template. Semantic MediaWiki will only work with semantic data from Semantic Forms, and they can only work from correctly coded templates such as infoboxesOr am I missing something else? [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 22:47, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
:Hi Wolf - thanks for the pic on Tera's page!  I think there may be a problem with the MediaWiki software though - as I <u>did</u> add a valid e-mail, clicked on the "confirm e-mail address", and I got a confirmation message "WikiIndex requires that you validate your e-mail address before using e-mail features. Activate the button below to send a confirmation mail to your address. The mail will include a link containing a code; load the link in your browser to confirm that your e-mail address is valid." . . . but I never received the e-mail.  I tried the resend e-mail (about three times) but still no e-mail.  Also, it won't let me amend my signature either (which is why I still have the default signature), nor will it let me change my timezone (which should be GMT). Maybe one of the Admins can look into this, thanks, --[[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] 15:35, 10 January 2012 (PST)
::Yeah, pardon me: I think my earlier post was too vague. Starting a line with a semi-colon will create a [https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/dl description or definition list]. These liss should be followed by one or more items that start with a colon. E.g. below:
::I see. BTW: My screenshot was so large as to have enough context. There's no reason to change timezone or signature. But, yes, the e-mail options were a suggestion too (if there are no deeper problems with the e-mail settings). What about spam filtering? Is it likely that your e-mail provider blocks the confirmation mails? I'll try it now with my gmail-account, and start a test account on wikiindex for this. --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 00:29, 11 January 2012 (PST)
:::...no problems found with [[User:Testing E-Mail Confirmation|Testing E-Mail Confirmation]] ok. The CAPTCHA is very special ;-) Best, [[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 00:45, 11 January 2012 (PST)
Sorry about the annoyance: did you check it again? Regards, [[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 13:48, 11 January 2012 (PST)
:No worries about messaging me :) — but still sadly not had an e-mail confirmation :/ What is the address of this confirmation e-mail, so I can add it to my 'contacts' in my web-mail, thanks--[[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 14:02, 16 January 2012 (PST)
:: ''bummer you are not able to receive an email from the site, the email would be coming from jrs.oregon@gmail ... can you email me at markwdilley@gmail, would like to chat with you off wiki.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
:: you are doing great work here!!  get ahold of me when you can.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
::: I think, Hoof Hearted, you should have admin rights. Mark, what do you think? If I only had the rights, the matter would be settled. Wikily, [[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 00:18, 26 January 2012 (PST)
::::Blush, and double blush!  Mark, you should now have mail (hopefully).  Wolf, what can I say . . . thanks for your comments of appreciation and support - but does that mean you want me to do even ''more'' work on here? :P  Best to you all, --[[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 01:20, 26 January 2012 (PST)
::::: I think you work hard enough :-) Best --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 01:25, 26 January 2012 (PST)
Doh! . . . bounced e-mail 'Unrouteable address' markwdilley@gmail - me thinks I messed up.  Take two! :/ --[[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 03:32, 26 January 2012 (PST)


== When changing to inactive template ==
;Hoof Hearted
You don't need to deal with any of the other fields if you don't want to - they are all deactivated. [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Jargon_Wiki&curid=5552&diff=93198&oldid=39313&rcid=104701 ref].  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
:A user at WikiIndex
:An all-around kewl d00d
:My friend


: I am afraid that such changes break the whole semantic framework introduced last year. I strongly recommend not changing the property names. I hope that only a few of such changes occured since they do more damage than good. Cheers --[[User:Kghbln|&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93;]] 12:17, 2 February 2012 (PST)
::Etc. If you want to make something bold, use three apostrophes: this will employ the [https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/b b or bring to attention element]. If you start a definition list but don't follow it with definitions, that's poor HTML semantics and is confusing to things like search engines indexing pages or screen readers attempting to vocalize the content of a page, etc. Does that make sense? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:05, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
:::Ah, okay, I understand your point now.  Thanks for clarifying, and sorry for my delay in replying – I was sleeping on my thoughts!  Howeverrrrr, I am not sure I 100% agree – though I am open to further reasoning. My understanding, and please forgive me if I'm wrong, I thought that [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] is based on [[wikitext]], rather than [[:Category:HTML|HTML]]?  I accept that MediaWiki still relies on a small number of HTML elements (along with [[:Category:Cascading Style Sheets|CSS]], {{Wp|Unicode}}, and [[:Category:JavaScript|JavaScript]]), particularly where there is no direct corresponding function within wikitext; a few examples being: <tt><nowiki><bdi></nowiki></tt>, <tt><nowiki><pre></nowiki></tt>, <tt><nowiki><sub></nowiki></tt>, and <tt><nowiki><sup></nowiki></tt>.  But there are many more elements that are considered highly verboten within wikitext (especially such as MediaWiki), examples <tt><nowiki><dl>, <dt>, and <dd></nowiki></tt> (for descriptions, which you eloquently show above with use of the colon and semi-colon), <tt><nowiki><ol></nowiki></tt> (for numbered lists, wikitext uses the hash), <tt><nowiki><h1> to <h6></nowiki></tt> (for levels of section headings, wikitext uses the equals sign - and I would imagine any editor on Wikipedia who used HTML to create section heading to be robustly chastised!), <tt><nowiki><p></nowiki></tt> (for creating paragraphs, when a simple carriage return suffices for wikitext).


::So do we just leave them as they were when in the 'active wiki' template?  Apologies, I forgot what I was doing, I've been out of the loop for a while :(  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 10:25, 30 August 2012 (PDT)
:::As for robots, indexers, and accessibility assisted technologies, I was under the impression that they all worked on the <u>rendered</u> page, rather than its constructed elements?  Again, please correct me if I am wrong.


== I "tweaked" your rights ;-) ==
:::Finally, and I guess this goes back to the original reason for your comment to me, search engine optimisation and performance.  Again, my own thinking here; because articles here on WikiIndex are generally (a) very small, when compared to Wikipedia pages, and (b) follow a nigh-on identical format and structure (for articles on wiki, wiki engines, wiki farms, and wiki people) – do we actually need section headings (apart from long articles, or when section headings are highly desirable to separate specific areas within the prose)?  And a follow-on from that, if yes, is there any quantifiable value in a search engine indexing say the section(s) on references and / or external links?  Surely, surely, surely, for those who search and then find WikiIndex in search providers, we want search results to KEEP folks here in WikiIndex, rather than display searches for external links / sources which will take folks AWAY from WikiIndex?
Congratulations! <br/>
I hope you are happy about beeing a {{template|sysop}} now :-) <br/>
Best regards --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 13:03, 9 February 2012 (PST)
: OMG, oh heck . . . I hope I don't break anything :p !!!<br>Thanks Wolf, much appreicate your confidence in me, warmest regards :) [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 10:27, 30 August 2012 (PDT)


== question about protection of page ==
:::I greatly appreciate your learned advice and expertiseWikiIndex is a lonely ship to steer alone! Best regards always, [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 14:54, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi,  curious why you think there is a need to [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex%3ACommunity_portal&diff=139417&oldid=127437 protect this page]?  I don't see it being vandalized, and even if it was, I don't see it as a problem in normal Recent Changes patrolling fixesLook forward to your thoughts on that. Best, [[MarkDilley]]
::::Thanks for the thoughtful response. To be clear, my main motivation is proper semantics for accessibility's sake and then things like machine indexing and search engine optimization, etc. Whatever we insert as MediaWiki's code (such as <nowiki>'''bold'''</nowiki> text) gets output as HTML because that's what everything on the Web is, so misusing tags—either by directly inputting the HTML or by using some wikitext that is then converted into HTML—is bad. I don't know that we need headings on pages that are short but I'll defer to you if you prefer one style over another. I do think that making a good outline structure is good for things like generating outlines with OPML or having anchors in a page that are linkable but it's not something that I think is urgent. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 15:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
: Hi Mark.  It was already protected by TeraS ([http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex:Community_portal&diff=86778&oldid=86744 here]) - all I changed was the 'move' function to sysops only.  Registered users can still edit it as before, they just now can't move it.  And I have to confess, I often 'forget' to check the RecentChanges . . . I suppose we all work in different ways.  Anyway, if you wish, I can revert my change in protection.  Best regards, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 14:21, 31 August 2012 (PDT)
Many thanks for the update! :-) I missed that it was previously protected - no worries - if I feel like I want to unprotect the whole thing later, I will just be bold :-)  RecentChanges is pretty much the first thing I read on most wiki! :-)  Best, [[MarkDilley]]


Here is another [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Category:All&action=history question] for me. Doesn't look like that page has been spammed very much, curious about your thinking.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
==Editing others' comments==
: That was spammed really badly on [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Category:All&diff=120899&oldid=84941 April 2012] (a really massive amount of spam links), and then five times in 2007 - all by IP editors. Granted, I agree it hasn't been spammed 'much' recently - but I feel that [[:Category:All]] is a 'major' category - effectively a 'front door' to WikiIndex, and it is for this latter reason why I personally think this needs protection (and it is only protected from IP editors - regular logged-in users can still edit). IMVHO - there are just some crucial pages which we should pre-emtively protect.  And don't the regular sysops on here have a hard-enough time in keeping on top of the spammers? :-/  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 08:48, 8 September 2012 (PDT)
I'm not sure that I understand [https://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Zhuyifei1999&diff=0&oldid=205760 this spate] of edits. Why are you adding links into others' posts on a user talk page? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 03:27, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
: For me, an [[OpenEdit]] [[wiki]] is extremely important.  I personally think an open door to new editors is important - that said, I will be fine leaving it protected for now.  Cheers, [[MarkDilley]]
:I think that it is very helpful to add [[wikilink]]s, as they provide valuable [[backlink]]s, and breadcrumbs to any previous discussions on said subjects.  I personally always use backlinks to find established [[consensus]], or other trains of thought when trying to improve all articles here on WikiIndex, including policy.


== Harrassment ==
:I accept that it is forbidden to edit other users talk pages on Wikipedia - but we are NOT Wikipedia, and we have no need to be bound by their policies!  Best regards. [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 22:43, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Yes, just someone trying to isolate me from wiki communities. Best to revert, protect and ignore. Its kind of a stupid thing to do - why would I want to take down a site which freely advertises and links to my wikis. Thanks. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] ([[User talk:Escyos|talk]]) 13:27, 3 September 2012 (PDT)


== Thanks ==
==Blocked?==
My IP address is blocked, yet I've never even been here before. I'm unable to email an admin, so how am I supposed to make an account and list my wiki? Korra Baskerville [[Special:Contributions/172.26.22.41|172.26.22.41]] 22:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)


Hi Hoof Hearted,
:Hello, and thanks for reaching out.  Your current IP address is not blocked, and has been used for editing here on WikiIndex.  However, a similar IP address was blocked for adding spam.  Do you have a static IP address, or maybe you are using a public Wi-Fi access?  If you can provide more detail, I will help you in any way that I can.  Best regards.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 22:32, 19 August 2021 (UTC)


I just noticed that <span class="plainlinks">[http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Category%3AHousekeeping_templates&diff=139604&oldid=49446 you are '''active]</span> again'''. Thats great :-) <br/> Currently, I've unfortunally not much time for WikiIndex. Best regards, [[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 00:32, 6 September 2012 (PDT)
::I have no idea how that post was able to get through. I tried to edit it and was blocked. Right now, I'm using a VPN to edit the [[Mystery Dungeon Franchise Wiki]] page and have managed to put in an account request under the email KorraRoyal@gmail.com. I'm using my own home Wi-Fi based out of Noth-Colorado in the United States. - Korra II Allison Baskerville [[Special:Contributions/172.26.22.41|172.26.22.41]] 22:42, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
: Hi Wolf, Vielen Dank für den Dank :-)  Good to see that someone is monitoring my work here!  Sadly, some real-life challenges have gotten in the way of me spending more time here on WikiIndex . . . hopefully I have some of them back under control now!  Herzliche Grüße --[[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 01:01, 6 September 2012 (PDT)


Ditto!!! :-D  yay!
:::Ok, forgive my lax behaviour for not checking RecentChanges more regularly.  I just approved your account now - [[User:Korra II A Baskerville]].


Thank you for fixing my wikipage up!!! <3
:::I am slightly confused why three different accounts have been requested from the same IP address, but with three different e-mail addresses, and different forwarding IP addresses.  I will look into more detail when I get some time.  Best.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 22:53, 19 August 2021 (UTC)


[[User:KyuKyu|KyuKyu]] ([[User talk:KyuKyu|talk]]) 15:31, 11 October 2012 (PDT).
==CWCki==
I wonder if you could review whether the [[CWCki]] can remain on this wiki or whether a substantial rewrite is needed? The wiki is linked with a website that has been accused of stalking and vulnerable users, and I have to tell you that the subject of the wiki is one of the victims.


== Cite ==
Further info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kiwi_Farms


Have you considered installing [[mw:Extension:Cite]]? It comes in pretty handy when one is documenting events or otherwise providing links. Thanks for all your hard work on WikiIndex, by the way. It's a quite useful project. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 02:47, 13 September 2012 (PDT)
[[Special:Contributions/172.26.22.41|172.26.22.41]] 00:47, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
:Hi - yes, WikiIndex is very useful, and interesting - I never new just how many wikis were/are out there!!!
:Hello.  As a general rule, here on WikiIndex, we do not delete articles on wiki which ''some'' people might find offensive or upsettingI have spent considerable time reading CWCki, along with its Wikipedia article and associated WP talk page.
:Your comment on the Cite extension should really be addressed to either [[MarkDilley]] (who is the site owner), or to [[:Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki]]; as I'm not a 'crat (just a mere sysop :p ).  Personally though, I'm not sure of the importance of the Cite extension - here at WikiIndex, we basically just catalogue other wikis.  As yet, we don't need to provide any verifiability here on WikiIndex, we leave the verifiability issue down to the actual wikis themselvesCan you think of any specific instances here on WikiIndex where using footnotes/references would be useful?  Thanks for your interesting thoughts though, and keep up your help on here, best regards, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 03:01, 13 September 2012 (PDT)


== Blocking old IPs ==
:This is my own personal comments.  First and foremost, I do not like CWCki - I do not like the way they obsessively detail every minute detail of the life of the person who is the subject of said wiki.  However, I must stress in the strongest possible way - my own personal dislike is absolutely not grounds to delete its entry here on WikiIndex.  Saying that, I agree that our own article needs a considerable re-write.  Unfortunately, I am just not familiar enough with the content of the wiki overall, so it would not be appropriate for me to submit my own thoughts.


It's been 5 years since any of those IPs vandalized the site, so there is pretty much no chance that they are used by the same person. I personally don't think IP addresses should be banned for more then a month unless there is persistent vandalism over a very long period of time from it.  
:As to the Wikipedia article, I find the tone of its coverage very alarming. Strong viewpoints are endemic in that WP article, and there is much bias, and very little neutrality. Discussions on its talk page continuously highlight those issues, but without any real action on balancing and toning down the WP article!


As for Plasmarelais, I don't think there was any malicious intent involved there - the redirect worked because of the site's [[Special:interwiki|interwiki]] feature. '''[[User talk:Elassint|Elassint]]'''  14 September 2012
:In light of my comments, please feel free to edit our entry here on WikiIndexOf course, please ensure that your own additons are both factual and neutralKind regards. [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 02:06, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
:Blocking old IPs . . . yes, I suppose you are correct on that.  In my defence, I'm using a netbook, and I often miss the bottom of the page (forget to scroll down) on my woefully small screenI've noticed that many had been previously blocked for short-term periodsI'll refrain from this from now on. :)
:Re [[User:Plasmarelais|Plasmarelais]] - I'm not at all convinced of any 'innocence'.  Plasmarelais is an admin on Wikia - and is no doubt very aware of the intricate nature of combining a 'redirect' with an 'interwiki'.  IMVHO, that was quite a sneaky thing to do - and it took me a while to figure out how to 'undo' a new page creation (with no history) which went straight to a hard redirect.  The correct and decent thing would be to just have a common-or-garden http:// url to his Wikia page - not the forced redirect!  Finally, why just create a forced redirect to another wiki site, but not carry out any constructive editing to this wiki?  Rgds  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 13:39, 14 September 2012 (PDT)


== E-mail notification subject ==
==Thumbnails for new images are broken for some reason, Mediawiki can't fnd /usr/bin/convert==
So new images aren't working to add to the wiki pages


Hi Hoof Hearted, <br/> [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Enotif_subject&curid=7762&diff=140157&oldid=140133 I reverted your change]. I hope you will agree with my reasons. Best regards, [[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 04:30, 17 September 2012 (PDT)
It says "Error creating thumbnail: /bin/bash: /usr/bin/convert: No such file or directory Error code: 127"  You probaby need to install imagemagick or configure the imagemagick location in LocalSettings.php


== Archive ==
Other people's prior image upload attempts also resulted in failure as shown here https://wikiindex.org/special:filelist


Archive sounds to encyclopedic.  I rather like [[Visitors]].  Might [[revert]] your edit, but will ponder it some more :-) Best, [[MarkDilley]]
Thanks :) [[User:William Lupinacci|William Lupinacci]] ([[User talk:William Lupinacci|talk]]) 15:52, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
:We already have [[Template:Recent visitors]], which is obviously for newest additions.  The previous name of [[WikiIndex:Visitors]] was just too 'samey' and not at all clear that it was for 'older' visitorsI just felt we needed some clarity between the two! :/ [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 07:59, 18 September 2012 (PDT)
:Hello William, and thanks for your message.  Sadly, WikiIndex has a few long-standing bugs which never seem to get fixed. I am just a 'crat and regular editor here, and I don't have server access.  The owner of WikiIndex is [[Raymond King]], and he also uses {{U|Rathbone}} to make edits; but sadly, he is not very activeMaybe you can email Ray King and remind him of ongoing problems?  It might add more timber to the fire if another person contact him. Keep me in the loop please William. Best regards, --[[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 00:15, 3 October 2021 (UTC)


== Off Wiki Question ==
==Needing a couple of renames and logo uploads==
Hi, an IP editor here (who doesn't have file/move rights). Could you please assess [[:Category:Wiki site requiring logo upload‎|logo upload]] and [[:Category:Articles to be renamed|article rename]] categories? Particularly for these, which I edited recently, if not all (thanks!): [[Isvwiki]], [[Croatian Wiktionary|Wječnika]]. -[[Special:Contributions/172.26.6.144|172.26.6.144]] 02:03, 21 October 2021 (UTC)


HH, do you have any idea why a MediaWiki installation (1.19.2) would reject an edit with normal words in it through the spam filter when an Admin User was editing it? Is there any means to control the spam filter? Thanks in advance for any clues! [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] ([[User talk:TeraS|talk]]) 19:30, 6 October 2012 (PDT)
==Boobpedia==
Semiprotection of [[Boobpedia]] may be useful. This topic invites SPAM. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 12:02, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
:Yeah, I see. Now protected from [[IP editor]]s. Thanks for letting me know.  Best.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 16:29, 25 October 2021 (UTC)


== You're absolutely right ==
==[[:Category:Turkey|Turkey]] on the main page==
I don't think it's nice to shove it as the first thing people read when they visit the wiki, especially in that demeaning voice. It's good to know about Turkey's censorship (among many other problems), but at least water it down and don't make it political, because there are much worse things than having a wiki blocked. Imagine it saying "Thank goodness not all countries are like United States!!!! Cherish your school/market not getting sh0t down every other day!" -[[Special:Contributions/172.26.1.10|172.26.1.10]] 15:43, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
::As utterly tragic and heartbreaking the many school shootings in the US are - unless there is a wiki site which deals with the said issue, it has no place here on WikiIndex.  Kind regards  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 14:54, 2 July 2022 (UTC)


with [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Template%3AWiki&diff=142069&oldid=142011 your change]! My simple goal was only to prevent clashes between text and the infobox. Thanks! --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 05:10, 12 October 2012 (PDT)
:I have to agree to that. This wiki should not get politicized. It shall not become the pressure relief valve for people who got no other place to express their political frustrations. Compared to this outdated remark about Türkiye (which is the proper name of that nation) the censorship for everything Russian in EU is massive and hypocritical as can be. We should not get involved into this mess here at all. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 06:01, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
:Thanks :)  We really need an updated screenshot which shows licenses and backup links. :/
:: Pardon, I don't understand what you mean. Can you give me a further hint? --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 05:36, 12 October 2012 (PDT)


:And do you like my colour-coding of the other templates ([[Template:MultilingualMain]], [[Template:Wiki Engine]], [[Template:Wiki Farm]] and [[Template:WeblogPost]]), and my pictures in [[:Category:Wikis reachable by WikiTourBus]] and its subcats? [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 05:22, 12 October 2012 (PDT)
::{{U|Manorainjan}}, firstly, you have been warned multiple times by other editors, admins and crats on this site about about changing section headings.  '''This is your last warning'''.  Stop - or you will be permanently blocked!  Since its inception, WikiIndex has always used the anglophile names for all countries.  This has been the consensus since 2006; no other WikiIndex editor or reader has had issue with this.  If you do not agree with the consensus and rules here on WikiIndex, go find another wiki which you do like!
:: The colouring and picture I like. Best --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 05:36, 12 October 2012 (PDT)
::Regarding the comment of Turkey on the main page, WikiIndex is a wiki site about all wikis.  That includes ALL aspects of wikis - including access and censorship.  If a country - not once - but TWICE blocks total access within its entire country - breaking a fundamental European Union law on Human Rights - it is perfectly acceptable to highlight such issues!
::Regarding your comment on the Russia vs EU issue - if it is affecting any aspect of wiki - find the necessary information, and provide independent citations to verify said issue.  Otherwise, that has no place here on WikiIndex.  Kind regards [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 14:54, 2 July 2022 (UTC)


The screenshot is the picture at the top of the [[Template:Wiki]] page - it looks like it was made in 2006 - long before the Wiki License and backup files were added - are you able to update this please?  The 'baloon' descriptions also need updating to show that some of the fields now use formal structured data from [[Special:Properties|Properties]] and [[Special:Filters|Filters]] - as defined by the [[Form:Wiki]], Best  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 05:46, 12 October 2012 (PDT) [[File:StructuredDataGraph.png]]
==The Wiki Rule==
[[TV Tropes]] used to have an article with this name. We might use it as a resource for further wikis to add.  [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWikiRule]  [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.TheWikiRule]  <small><span class=autosigned>— preceding [[Signature|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Max Sinister|Max Sinister]] ([[User talk:Max Sinister|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Max Sinister|contribs]]) – 01:22, 15 October 2022‎ (UTC).</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
 
:Why is it called a "rule"? --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 09:00, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 
::I think it is just their naming conventions and their inclusion policy maybe?  I confess I am not a follower of tropes of any kind.  But the older version of that page is certainly a valid resource to add any missing wiki sites here on WikiIndex, so please go ahead and [[WikiIndex:Add a Wiki|add]] them.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 16:13, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 
==Image error==
Howdy! Thank you for the account approval. I'm not entirely sure what happened, but I uploaded a logo for [[:Category:Whiki|Whiki]], but it seems to have thrown an error on thumbnailing (that can be seen at [[:File:Whiki_Logo.png|here]]). When I tried to add it to the category article and sizing it down to 180px, it also seems to have thrown an error on the category page — any idea what is wrong with it? [[User:Original Authority|Original Authority]] ([[User talk:Original Authority|talk]]) 03:50, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
:Thanks for reaching out.  Sadly, we have some bugs in our software which cause problems with image display.  If you look at [[Special:NewFiles]], you will see that many file uploads fail to display thumbnail, and many will also fail to display at any manually selected pixel size other than their original upload size.  Regrettably, I don't have server access, so I am not able to resolve this issue (and I have no expertise in in that area).  My only suggestion is to manually resize logos to a maximum 300px and then upload again.  Apologies for not being able to offer a better solution.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 15:29, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 
::Ah, thank you! I've successfully uploaded a new version of the image — are you able to delete [[:File:Whiki_Logo.png]] if possible, please? [[User:Original Authority|Original Authority]] ([[User talk:Original Authority|talk]]) 07:35, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
:::Now deleted.  Thanks for your understanding.  And welcome again.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 14:26, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 
==[[WikiIndex:Merge policy|Merge policy?]]==
I checked the [[Althistory]] page, and it says that the page should be merged with another one. OK so far, a long time ago I did that at WP, and kinda remember it also involves merging the histories so nothing is lost. But what is WI's merging policy actually? It's still a red link...--[[User:Max Sinister|Max Sinister]] ([[User talk:Max Sinister|talk]]) 23:55, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
:You are indeed correct that our merge policy is still a red link :-p  Indeed, many basic policies were red links until the last few years!  I will endeavour to make a start on that specific policy very soon.
 
:The actual mechanism for [[Special:MergeHistory|Merging]] can only be carried out by [[sysop]]s, due to the licensing need to retain [[edit history]] (and [[attribution]]) of both articles.  Whilst the merge function is automated, it does need oversight - because not every edit can be merged - so discretion needs to be observed before actioning it.
 
:Regarding the Althistory, and indeed all merge requests - sometimes, an editor may mark an article for merging (in good faith) - when in fact, it should remain in its own right.  Aside any genuine but accidental duplicate entries - the most common reason for mistakenly tagging for a merge is when a wiki site has changed host by way of [[fork]]ing (and instead of creating a new article for the new host - an editor may simply update the original wiki site to the URLs of the new host!).  The original wiki site, at its original host should be preserved as its own article here (annotating its status if necessary as abandoned or dead), and using a hat-note template to point to any new host.  I notice that it was [[User talk:Ismael755|Ismael755]] who added the merge tag to [[Althistory]] (I think I was on an extended wiki break at that time - personal issues), and he also added a new article [[Alternate Future Wiki]].  Glancing very briefly, it appears that both sites co-existed, though I guess they now are merged into one site on Wikia.  There is also the same issue with [[Future]] and [[The Future Wiki]]!
 
:In summary, if two articles have been created about an identical site on an identical host - the articles should be merged.  But if they are or were two separate wiki sites (even if say on Wikia), but have themselves since merged (usually by Wikia), the article here referring to the 'original' (even if dead) should be retained - and ideally archived links found to support it.
 
:Hope that makes sense! :)  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 00:36, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 
:: OK, I'll have to think about this a bit. But thanks for stating the merge policy.--[[User:Max Sinister|Max Sinister]] ([[User talk:Max Sinister|talk]]) 04:42, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 
==Blocked me==
Hello Sean,
 
Not sure what I was doing to look like a spammer, but thought I would ask:  https://wikiindex.org/Special:Contributions/172.26.30.192  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
:Hello  Mark.  Apologies if I somehow managed to block you.  There is a bug somewhere in our software, and that IP address requested an account, which I approved.  And they then created a blatant spam page - [[Ndifreke Ukpong]] - which clearly had nothing to do with any wiki!
 
:Checking the [[Special:Block/172.26.30.192|block log for that IP]], they are only restricted from editing as an anon IP editor.  They are still able to create new accounts, or login from existing accounts.  So genuine registered users should not be blocked!
 
:Another guy on MediaWiki.org also commented that our software configuration has bugs which are preventing password recovery emails, and Karsten also concerned about our buggy config.  Regards  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 12:52, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 
::Gotcha.  Thanks for your responsiveness and clarity Sean, as always!  What are the steps we can take to update/upgrade our software configuration?  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
 
:::I am no expert on MediaWiki hosting, so I can not advise!
 
:::I am not sure if you have spoken with Ray recently - because [[Karsten Hoffmeyer]] ({{U|Kghbln}}) emailed me recently, and offered to host WikiIndex on his own [[:Category:ProWiki (farm)|ProWiki]] host, and upgrade the necessary software (though he never indicated any price!).  Karsten would actually be a great fit for WikiIndex, because he is also an expert with Semantic MediaWiki.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 14:16, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 
== Small trouble with a vandal ==
 
Hi! I'm a wiki editor for the [[Independent Fallout Wiki]] and I had to deal with a vandal on our page. Essentially, an anon edit posted links to something completely irrelevant to the subject matter, as well as posting misinformation that really had no relation to the article. They also dead-named on our admins.
 
I was curious if there's any counter-measured to prevent this? Thanks! [[User:C0NN1E|C0NN1E]] ([[User talk:C0NN1E|talk]]) 13:56, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 
:Hello C0NN1E, welcome to WikiIndex.  I'm sorry for not noticing the [[vandal]]ism.  I now blocked the IP for one week, but if you notice anyone who is spamming or vandalising articles, please tag their user page or user talk page with either <tt>{{Template|vandal}}</tt> or <tt>{{Template|spammer}}</tt>.  Best regards, and happy new year!  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 14:24, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 
::Hi again, Hoof Hearted! It looks like the same IP returned a week later trying to remove constructive edits on the same page. I marked their user page under the <nowiki>{{vandal}}</nowiki> template. [[User:C0NN1E|C0NN1E]] ([[User talk:C0NN1E|talk]]) 20:51, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 
==Wiki Farm name change procedure?==
Howdy! I just wanted to check in to clarify someting. [[:Category:Whiki|Whiki]] has changed names and is now known as Telepedia—what should I do with the article and categories, and the pages that follow, such as [[Whiki Meta Wiki]]. Should I create new articles and mark Whiki as dead, and add a hat note? Or is there some other procedure for this (such as merging, or editing the original article etc.) Just wanted to double check before making edits! :) --[[User:Original Authority|Original Authority]] ([[User talk:Original Authority|talk]]) 06:21, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
:Hi, and sorry for the delay in replying.
:Do you have URLs for Telepedia?  And do you know the rationale for the name change?
:Depending on the reasons or cause of the name change, we would either [[redirect]] to their new name, or mark as dead and create new!  :-/ [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 21:24, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 
==Redirecting WikiIndex-dot-com URL to subpage==
Hey, Hoof! I don't know if you're the right person to ask for this, but many old Fandom (Wikia) sites still have [[wikiindex:]] interwiki link set to http://wikiindex.com/$1. For examples, see [https://cities.fandom.com/api.php?siprop=interwikimap&action=query&meta=siteinfo cities.fandom] (a.k.a. [[Cities Wiki]]), [https://list.fandom.com/api.php?siprop=interwikimap&action=query&meta=siteinfo list.fandom] ([[WikiLists]]) and the ''Star Trek'' wiki, [https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/api.php?siprop=interwikimap&action=query&meta=siteinfo memory-alpha.fandom] ([[Memory Alpha]]).
 
The problem is, https://wikiindex.com/aaaa or any URL to dot-com with any subpage just redirects to the homepage (https://wikiindex.org). Thoughts on fixing how that domain redirection is set up? —[[User:AStranger195|AStranger195]] ([[User talk:AStranger195|talk]]) 13:21, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
:Hello, to get that issue fixed, you need to ask on [[Wikia Community Central (en)]] to get one of their Interwiki Administrators to update their global interwiki table - including updating many to https.  That is unfortunately out of control of WikiIndex.  Best regards [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 17:47, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 
:: What about fixing it on your end, and fixing all legacy interwiki links in the process? Doesn't WikiIndex have control of the wikiindex.com domain? --[[User:AStranger195|AStranger195]] ([[User talk:AStranger195|talk]]) 05:52, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
:::I am not sure about the Wikiindex dot com domain.  Maybe you can email our owner, [[Raymond King]], as he may still own the dot com domain.
:::As for Wikia or Fandom, they have zero interest in cooperation with external wiki sites.  Indeed, Wikia removed many of the tools used for creating relationships between themselves and non-Wikia sites a long time ago!  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 15:07, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
::: I have control of the name, but don't have the technical skills.  I'd be happy to give it a try if someone can make it easy for me. [[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small>
 
==Please see the message on the following talk page, adding this CSS code will fix the tab issue==
[[MediaWiki talk:Vector.css]]
 
I can't edit it myself because I'm not an administrator.
[[User:William Lupinacci|William Lupinacci]] ([[User talk:William Lupinacci|talk]]) 22:28, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
:{{Done}}  Thanks for the advice, cheers!  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 08:34, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 
==RMS Titanic Wiki‎s==
Hi,
 
just worked on [[RMS Titanic Wiki‎]] and created a template for its sister wikis. Please check it whether it's OK that way.
 
Also, I'm wondering about this website: [https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/introduction.html Encyclopedia Titanica]. Does this fit in here? It's an online database for a specific topic with a community, but OTOH, it doesn't seem to be a real wiki, esp. since it was started in 1996.--[[User:Max Sinister|Max Sinister]] ([[User talk:Max Sinister|talk]]) 00:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 
:The Titanic template is fantastic!  Thank you.  As for Encyclopedia Titanica, that does not use any known wiki software (from what I can ascertain), so it really has no place here.  Regards, [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 15:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
:: You're welcome. I'll make a multi-language template for the James Bond wikis next.--[[User:Max Sinister|Max Sinister]] ([[User talk:Max Sinister|talk]]) 07:27, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
:::A [[:Category:James Bond|James Bond]] template will be awesome, thanks.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 11:24, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 
==Login problem==
This month I got an odd login error: I wanted to log in, but got an error message that I had no cookies activated. My browser settings were the same as they are now, and as you can see, I am logged in. --[[User:Max Sinister|Max Sinister]] ([[User talk:Max Sinister|talk]]) 09:37, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
:Which browser are you using?  For me, when I use Safari on my Mac, I regularly get cookie warnings for sites which I know that I have already accepted, and it frequently logs me out of sites which I regularly use.  I never have those issues when using Opera browser!  Regards.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 11:03, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 
==Do you know a wiki with a smart user community?==
Somehow I don't feel satisfied with the various communities I'm a member of. You know about so many wikis. Can you recommend one to me which has science and/or fiction as a topic, and an intelligent user base? Maybe one with restricted access?
 
TIA, --[[User:Max Sinister|Max Sinister]] ([[User talk:Max Sinister|talk]]) 20:40, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 
:Hello, and apologies for late reply.  Apart from trawling through [[:Category:Science]], it is difficult for me to make personal recommendations.  [[SklogWiki]] is a high-level science wiki, run by a former WikiIndex editor.  [[Psiram]] appears to be a quality site, its German language version is fairly active.  [[RationalWiki (en)]] includes lots of science, as do the various [[:Category:Uncyclopedia]]s.  Best regards, [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 11:36, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
:: Thanks for your suggestions. For SklogWiki I don't have the right background, and RationalWiki has many readworthy articles, but the userbase has detoriated IMO. Still thanks for Psiram, I'll have to look at it.--[[User:Max Sinister|Max Sinister]] ([[User talk:Max Sinister|talk]]) 02:59, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 
== Redirect Please  ==
 
Please can you make this page https://wikiindex.org/Taerel_Worldbuilding_Wiki Redirect to [[Taerel Wiki]] and merge content as fitting please?
[[Special:Contributions/172.26.16.215|172.26.16.215]] 22:23, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 
== Are you OK, Sean? ==
 
For some weeks (it feels like it), I've tried to login, but the wiki was always down. That's why I wondered whether something had happened to you.--[[User:Max Sinister|Max Sinister]] ([[User talk:Max Sinister|talk]]) 21:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 
== Spammer alert ==
 
172.26.16.37 inserted handbag ads on the [[Alternativgeschichte-Wiki]] page. Could you ban him?--[[User:Max Sinister|Max Sinister]] ([[User talk:Max Sinister|talk]]) 13:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 14:22, 16 April 2024

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Pages for deletion[edit]

Hi, please review Category:Pages for deletion and delete those pages. Several pages have accumulated during the absence of the administrators. Thanks. --Usa11 (talk) 16:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Good day, thanks for welcoming me. I created a new user page so that's okay, thanks anyway for the proposal. For the wikis that I have marked as to be deleted, they are all unreachable through archive sites such as archive.org, so the actual existence of those wikis is questioned. --Usa11 (talk) 12:07, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Account[edit]

I requested an account. Could you please accept it? 172.26.12.237 18:33, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello 172.26.12.237. Can you please advise me the username you used for requesting a new account? Thanks. --Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 19:12, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
That would be "MJL" :) 172.26.12.237 22:51, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Now approved. Welcome to WikiIndex

Please delete[edit]

Hey HH! Could you please delete Category:Pedosexuality?

Thanks! –MJLTalk 23:00, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

 Done --Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 09:38, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

incels dot wiki vs incelwiki.com[edit]

incels dot wiki was legitimately stolen from the creators and main writers of the material itself, (this is a moderated wiki with only like 3-4 particularly active users ever) and since it was stolen, at least one writer (Wizard32) has put on very sketchy URLs on at least one page of incels dot wiki, which they haven't removed for months. They host it on their server, which also hosts a site of theirs which we've found is under heavy investigation by law enforcement. They own sanctionedsuicide and we shouldn't be advertising anything on their servers imho.

This is not a group I would trust as a source on even their own sites Following reports of minors on their sanctionedsuicide.com (now sanctioned-suicide.org) dying, Epik dropped all their sites, followed by what seems to be Tucows or Njalla. Years ago it was Afilias that dropped all their sites.

"In the United States, anyone under the age of 18 is legally a minor. There is no ambiguity here. These are children, the site operators, and members know it, yet continue to discuss the act of suicide in great detail as if they are above or beyond both legal or moral reach." --owner of fixthe26th

I don't think we should be advertising any sites on their server, especially considering what seem to be sketchy URLs on .wiki rn that was added by a writer after they stole it. The owners of those sites call themselves 'master' and 'sergeantincel', they own incels.is (formerly incels.co/incels.me)/sanctionedsuicide etc, and have been dropped by multiple registrars.

Which is why I moved the article I wrote to .com. We have nothing to do with incels.is and their sites/wikis. They just let us use a mediawiki installation for a year until they hijacked it. They lorded it over us the entire time and always tried to push sociopathy on the wiki. We created their "general disclaimer" ourselves, and also individually released under CC on our talk pages so they couldn't have them claim we weren't who we were after the new domain. Since we released under CC individually on talk pages, we aren't pursuing legal options against .wiki but we do have discord records of them claiming that we owned it. (Discord allows exports of private conservations, and retains deleted messages) But .wiki is mostly inactive compared to .com, and is dramatically smaller as well. It's our wiki stuck in 2018 plus garbage they added after they banned everyone. .com also has 5 languages. 14:53, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Sources:

If you still want to keep incels.wiki on, can we have our own page? We also run a huge wiki farm and can add our others, most of which have nothing to do with incels William Lupinacci (talk) 15:06, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


Thanks :) William Lupinacci (talk) 15:07, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Semantics on pages[edit]

Thanks for all your great work: I'm glad to see you taking ownership around here again. Of course, I'm here to complain but on pages like Federated wiki (concept), you've used semantic elements that don't match the content, like a semi-colon to start a definition list but all you really want is bold. Koavf (talk) 03:31, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm confused! Federated wiki (concept) (the article) does not have any semantic data, because it does not use use the {{Wiki}} infobox template. Semantic MediaWiki will only work with semantic data from Semantic Forms, and they can only work from correctly coded templates such as infoboxes. Or am I missing something else? Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 22:47, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, pardon me: I think my earlier post was too vague. Starting a line with a semi-colon will create a description or definition list. These liss should be followed by one or more items that start with a colon. E.g. below:
Hoof Hearted
A user at WikiIndex
An all-around kewl d00d
My friend
Etc. If you want to make something bold, use three apostrophes: this will employ the b or bring to attention element. If you start a definition list but don't follow it with definitions, that's poor HTML semantics and is confusing to things like search engines indexing pages or screen readers attempting to vocalize the content of a page, etc. Does that make sense? Koavf (talk) 23:05, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Ah, okay, I understand your point now. Thanks for clarifying, and sorry for my delay in replying – I was sleeping on my thoughts! Howeverrrrr, I am not sure I 100% agree – though I am open to further reasoning. My understanding, and please forgive me if I'm wrong, I thought that MediaWiki is based on wikitext, rather than HTML? I accept that MediaWiki still relies on a small number of HTML elements (along with CSS, Unicode, and JavaScript), particularly where there is no direct corresponding function within wikitext; a few examples being: <bdi>, <pre>, <sub>, and <sup>. But there are many more elements that are considered highly verboten within wikitext (especially such as MediaWiki), examples <dl>, <dt>, and <dd> (for descriptions, which you eloquently show above with use of the colon and semi-colon), <ol> (for numbered lists, wikitext uses the hash), <h1> to <h6> (for levels of section headings, wikitext uses the equals sign - and I would imagine any editor on Wikipedia who used HTML to create section heading to be robustly chastised!), <p> (for creating paragraphs, when a simple carriage return suffices for wikitext).
As for robots, indexers, and accessibility assisted technologies, I was under the impression that they all worked on the rendered page, rather than its constructed elements? Again, please correct me if I am wrong.
Finally, and I guess this goes back to the original reason for your comment to me, search engine optimisation and performance. Again, my own thinking here; because articles here on WikiIndex are generally (a) very small, when compared to Wikipedia pages, and (b) follow a nigh-on identical format and structure (for articles on wiki, wiki engines, wiki farms, and wiki people) – do we actually need section headings (apart from long articles, or when section headings are highly desirable to separate specific areas within the prose)? And a follow-on from that, if yes, is there any quantifiable value in a search engine indexing say the section(s) on references and / or external links? Surely, surely, surely, for those who search and then find WikiIndex in search providers, we want search results to KEEP folks here in WikiIndex, rather than display searches for external links / sources which will take folks AWAY from WikiIndex?
I greatly appreciate your learned advice and expertise. WikiIndex is a lonely ship to steer alone! Best regards always, Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 14:54, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the thoughtful response. To be clear, my main motivation is proper semantics for accessibility's sake and then things like machine indexing and search engine optimization, etc. Whatever we insert as MediaWiki's code (such as '''bold''' text) gets output as HTML because that's what everything on the Web is, so misusing tags—either by directly inputting the HTML or by using some wikitext that is then converted into HTML—is bad. I don't know that we need headings on pages that are short but I'll defer to you if you prefer one style over another. I do think that making a good outline structure is good for things like generating outlines with OPML or having anchors in a page that are linkable but it's not something that I think is urgent. Koavf (talk) 15:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Editing others' comments[edit]

I'm not sure that I understand this spate of edits. Why are you adding links into others' posts on a user talk page? Koavf (talk) 03:27, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

I think that it is very helpful to add wikilinks, as they provide valuable backlinks, and breadcrumbs to any previous discussions on said subjects. I personally always use backlinks to find established consensus, or other trains of thought when trying to improve all articles here on WikiIndex, including policy.
I accept that it is forbidden to edit other users talk pages on Wikipedia - but we are NOT Wikipedia, and we have no need to be bound by their policies! Best regards. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 22:43, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Blocked?[edit]

My IP address is blocked, yet I've never even been here before. I'm unable to email an admin, so how am I supposed to make an account and list my wiki? Korra Baskerville 172.26.22.41 22:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, and thanks for reaching out. Your current IP address is not blocked, and has been used for editing here on WikiIndex. However, a similar IP address was blocked for adding spam. Do you have a static IP address, or maybe you are using a public Wi-Fi access? If you can provide more detail, I will help you in any way that I can. Best regards. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 22:32, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
I have no idea how that post was able to get through. I tried to edit it and was blocked. Right now, I'm using a VPN to edit the Mystery Dungeon Franchise Wiki page and have managed to put in an account request under the email [email protected]. I'm using my own home Wi-Fi based out of Noth-Colorado in the United States. - Korra II Allison Baskerville 172.26.22.41 22:42, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Ok, forgive my lax behaviour for not checking RecentChanges more regularly. I just approved your account now - User:Korra II A Baskerville.
I am slightly confused why three different accounts have been requested from the same IP address, but with three different e-mail addresses, and different forwarding IP addresses. I will look into more detail when I get some time. Best. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 22:53, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

CWCki[edit]

I wonder if you could review whether the CWCki can remain on this wiki or whether a substantial rewrite is needed? The wiki is linked with a website that has been accused of stalking and vulnerable users, and I have to tell you that the subject of the wiki is one of the victims.

Further info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kiwi_Farms

172.26.22.41 00:47, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello. As a general rule, here on WikiIndex, we do not delete articles on wiki which some people might find offensive or upsetting. I have spent considerable time reading CWCki, along with its Wikipedia article and associated WP talk page.
This is my own personal comments. First and foremost, I do not like CWCki - I do not like the way they obsessively detail every minute detail of the life of the person who is the subject of said wiki. However, I must stress in the strongest possible way - my own personal dislike is absolutely not grounds to delete its entry here on WikiIndex. Saying that, I agree that our own article needs a considerable re-write. Unfortunately, I am just not familiar enough with the content of the wiki overall, so it would not be appropriate for me to submit my own thoughts.
As to the Wikipedia article, I find the tone of its coverage very alarming. Strong viewpoints are endemic in that WP article, and there is much bias, and very little neutrality. Discussions on its talk page continuously highlight those issues, but without any real action on balancing and toning down the WP article!
In light of my comments, please feel free to edit our entry here on WikiIndex. Of course, please ensure that your own additons are both factual and neutral. Kind regards. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 02:06, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Thumbnails for new images are broken for some reason, Mediawiki can't fnd /usr/bin/convert[edit]

So new images aren't working to add to the wiki pages

It says "Error creating thumbnail: /bin/bash: /usr/bin/convert: No such file or directory Error code: 127" You probaby need to install imagemagick or configure the imagemagick location in LocalSettings.php

Other people's prior image upload attempts also resulted in failure as shown here https://wikiindex.org/special:filelist

Thanks :) William Lupinacci (talk) 15:52, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello William, and thanks for your message. Sadly, WikiIndex has a few long-standing bugs which never seem to get fixed. I am just a 'crat and regular editor here, and I don't have server access. The owner of WikiIndex is Raymond King, and he also uses Rathbone to make edits; but sadly, he is not very active. Maybe you can email Ray King and remind him of ongoing problems? It might add more timber to the fire if another person contact him. Keep me in the loop please William. Best regards, --Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 00:15, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Needing a couple of renames and logo uploads[edit]

Hi, an IP editor here (who doesn't have file/move rights). Could you please assess logo upload and article rename categories? Particularly for these, which I edited recently, if not all (thanks!): Isvwiki, Wječnika. -172.26.6.144 02:03, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Boobpedia[edit]

Semiprotection of Boobpedia may be useful. This topic invites SPAM. --Manorainjan 12:02, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I see. Now protected from IP editors. Thanks for letting me know. Best. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 16:29, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Turkey on the main page[edit]

I don't think it's nice to shove it as the first thing people read when they visit the wiki, especially in that demeaning voice. It's good to know about Turkey's censorship (among many other problems), but at least water it down and don't make it political, because there are much worse things than having a wiki blocked. Imagine it saying "Thank goodness not all countries are like United States!!!! Cherish your school/market not getting sh0t down every other day!" -172.26.1.10 15:43, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

As utterly tragic and heartbreaking the many school shootings in the US are - unless there is a wiki site which deals with the said issue, it has no place here on WikiIndex. Kind regards Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 14:54, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
I have to agree to that. This wiki should not get politicized. It shall not become the pressure relief valve for people who got no other place to express their political frustrations. Compared to this outdated remark about Türkiye (which is the proper name of that nation) the censorship for everything Russian in EU is massive and hypocritical as can be. We should not get involved into this mess here at all. --Manorainjan 06:01, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Manorainjan, firstly, you have been warned multiple times by other editors, admins and crats on this site about about changing section headings. This is your last warning. Stop - or you will be permanently blocked! Since its inception, WikiIndex has always used the anglophile names for all countries. This has been the consensus since 2006; no other WikiIndex editor or reader has had issue with this. If you do not agree with the consensus and rules here on WikiIndex, go find another wiki which you do like!
Regarding the comment of Turkey on the main page, WikiIndex is a wiki site about all wikis. That includes ALL aspects of wikis - including access and censorship. If a country - not once - but TWICE blocks total access within its entire country - breaking a fundamental European Union law on Human Rights - it is perfectly acceptable to highlight such issues!
Regarding your comment on the Russia vs EU issue - if it is affecting any aspect of wiki - find the necessary information, and provide independent citations to verify said issue. Otherwise, that has no place here on WikiIndex. Kind regards Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 14:54, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

The Wiki Rule[edit]

TV Tropes used to have an article with this name. We might use it as a resource for further wikis to add. [1] [2] — preceding unsigned comment added by Max Sinister (talkcontribs) – 01:22, 15 October 2022‎ (UTC).

Why is it called a "rule"? --Manorainjan 09:00, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
I think it is just their naming conventions and their inclusion policy maybe? I confess I am not a follower of tropes of any kind. But the older version of that page is certainly a valid resource to add any missing wiki sites here on WikiIndex, so please go ahead and add them. Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 16:13, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Image error[edit]

Howdy! Thank you for the account approval. I'm not entirely sure what happened, but I uploaded a logo for Whiki, but it seems to have thrown an error on thumbnailing (that can be seen at here). When I tried to add it to the category article and sizing it down to 180px, it also seems to have thrown an error on the category page — any idea what is wrong with it? Original Authority (talk) 03:50, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for reaching out. Sadly, we have some bugs in our software which cause problems with image display. If you look at Special:NewFiles, you will see that many file uploads fail to display thumbnail, and many will also fail to display at any manually selected pixel size other than their original upload size. Regrettably, I don't have server access, so I am not able to resolve this issue (and I have no expertise in in that area). My only suggestion is to manually resize logos to a maximum 300px and then upload again. Apologies for not being able to offer a better solution. Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 15:29, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
Ah, thank you! I've successfully uploaded a new version of the image — are you able to delete File:Whiki_Logo.png if possible, please? Original Authority (talk) 07:35, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Now deleted. Thanks for your understanding. And welcome again. Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 14:26, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Merge policy?[edit]

I checked the Althistory page, and it says that the page should be merged with another one. OK so far, a long time ago I did that at WP, and kinda remember it also involves merging the histories so nothing is lost. But what is WI's merging policy actually? It's still a red link...--Max Sinister (talk) 23:55, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

You are indeed correct that our merge policy is still a red link :-p Indeed, many basic policies were red links until the last few years! I will endeavour to make a start on that specific policy very soon.
The actual mechanism for Merging can only be carried out by sysops, due to the licensing need to retain edit history (and attribution) of both articles. Whilst the merge function is automated, it does need oversight - because not every edit can be merged - so discretion needs to be observed before actioning it.
Regarding the Althistory, and indeed all merge requests - sometimes, an editor may mark an article for merging (in good faith) - when in fact, it should remain in its own right. Aside any genuine but accidental duplicate entries - the most common reason for mistakenly tagging for a merge is when a wiki site has changed host by way of forking (and instead of creating a new article for the new host - an editor may simply update the original wiki site to the URLs of the new host!). The original wiki site, at its original host should be preserved as its own article here (annotating its status if necessary as abandoned or dead), and using a hat-note template to point to any new host. I notice that it was Ismael755 who added the merge tag to Althistory (I think I was on an extended wiki break at that time - personal issues), and he also added a new article Alternate Future Wiki. Glancing very briefly, it appears that both sites co-existed, though I guess they now are merged into one site on Wikia. There is also the same issue with Future and The Future Wiki!
In summary, if two articles have been created about an identical site on an identical host - the articles should be merged. But if they are or were two separate wiki sites (even if say on Wikia), but have themselves since merged (usually by Wikia), the article here referring to the 'original' (even if dead) should be retained - and ideally archived links found to support it.
Hope that makes sense! :) Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 00:36, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
OK, I'll have to think about this a bit. But thanks for stating the merge policy.--Max Sinister (talk) 04:42, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Blocked me[edit]

Hello Sean,

Not sure what I was doing to look like a spammer, but thought I would ask: https://wikiindex.org/Special:Contributions/172.26.30.192 Best, MarkDilley

Hello Mark. Apologies if I somehow managed to block you. There is a bug somewhere in our software, and that IP address requested an account, which I approved. And they then created a blatant spam page - Ndifreke Ukpong - which clearly had nothing to do with any wiki!
Checking the block log for that IP, they are only restricted from editing as an anon IP editor. They are still able to create new accounts, or login from existing accounts. So genuine registered users should not be blocked!
Another guy on MediaWiki.org also commented that our software configuration has bugs which are preventing password recovery emails, and Karsten also concerned about our buggy config. Regards Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 12:52, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
Gotcha. Thanks for your responsiveness and clarity Sean, as always! What are the steps we can take to update/upgrade our software configuration? Best, MarkDilley
I am no expert on MediaWiki hosting, so I can not advise!
I am not sure if you have spoken with Ray recently - because Karsten Hoffmeyer (Kghbln) emailed me recently, and offered to host WikiIndex on his own ProWiki host, and upgrade the necessary software (though he never indicated any price!). Karsten would actually be a great fit for WikiIndex, because he is also an expert with Semantic MediaWiki. Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 14:16, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Small trouble with a vandal[edit]

Hi! I'm a wiki editor for the Independent Fallout Wiki and I had to deal with a vandal on our page. Essentially, an anon edit posted links to something completely irrelevant to the subject matter, as well as posting misinformation that really had no relation to the article. They also dead-named on our admins.

I was curious if there's any counter-measured to prevent this? Thanks! C0NN1E (talk) 13:56, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello C0NN1E, welcome to WikiIndex. I'm sorry for not noticing the vandalism. I now blocked the IP for one week, but if you notice anyone who is spamming or vandalising articles, please tag their user page or user talk page with either {{vandal}} or {{spammer}}. Best regards, and happy new year! Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 14:24, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi again, Hoof Hearted! It looks like the same IP returned a week later trying to remove constructive edits on the same page. I marked their user page under the {{vandal}} template. C0NN1E (talk) 20:51, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Farm name change procedure?[edit]

Howdy! I just wanted to check in to clarify someting. Whiki has changed names and is now known as Telepedia—what should I do with the article and categories, and the pages that follow, such as Whiki Meta Wiki. Should I create new articles and mark Whiki as dead, and add a hat note? Or is there some other procedure for this (such as merging, or editing the original article etc.) Just wanted to double check before making edits! :) --Original Authority (talk) 06:21, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi, and sorry for the delay in replying.
Do you have URLs for Telepedia? And do you know the rationale for the name change?
Depending on the reasons or cause of the name change, we would either redirect to their new name, or mark as dead and create new!  :-/ Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 21:24, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Redirecting WikiIndex-dot-com URL to subpage[edit]

Hey, Hoof! I don't know if you're the right person to ask for this, but many old Fandom (Wikia) sites still have [[wikiindex:]] interwiki link set to http://wikiindex.com/$1. For examples, see cities.fandom (a.k.a. Cities Wiki), list.fandom (WikiLists) and the Star Trek wiki, memory-alpha.fandom (Memory Alpha).

The problem is, https://wikiindex.com/aaaa or any URL to dot-com with any subpage just redirects to the homepage (https://wikiindex.org). Thoughts on fixing how that domain redirection is set up? —AStranger195 (talk) 13:21, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, to get that issue fixed, you need to ask on Wikia Community Central (en) to get one of their Interwiki Administrators to update their global interwiki table - including updating many to https. That is unfortunately out of control of WikiIndex. Best regards Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 17:47, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
What about fixing it on your end, and fixing all legacy interwiki links in the process? Doesn't WikiIndex have control of the wikiindex.com domain? --AStranger195 (talk) 05:52, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
I am not sure about the Wikiindex dot com domain. Maybe you can email our owner, Raymond King, as he may still own the dot com domain.
As for Wikia or Fandom, they have zero interest in cooperation with external wiki sites. Indeed, Wikia removed many of the tools used for creating relationships between themselves and non-Wikia sites a long time ago! Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 15:07, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
I have control of the name, but don't have the technical skills. I'd be happy to give it a try if someone can make it easy for me. Raymond King | talk

Please see the message on the following talk page, adding this CSS code will fix the tab issue[edit]

MediaWiki talk:Vector.css

I can't edit it myself because I'm not an administrator. William Lupinacci (talk) 22:28, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for the advice, cheers! Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 08:34, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

RMS Titanic Wiki‎s[edit]

Hi,

just worked on RMS Titanic Wiki‎ and created a template for its sister wikis. Please check it whether it's OK that way.

Also, I'm wondering about this website: Encyclopedia Titanica. Does this fit in here? It's an online database for a specific topic with a community, but OTOH, it doesn't seem to be a real wiki, esp. since it was started in 1996.--Max Sinister (talk) 00:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

The Titanic template is fantastic! Thank you. As for Encyclopedia Titanica, that does not use any known wiki software (from what I can ascertain), so it really has no place here. Regards, Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 15:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
You're welcome. I'll make a multi-language template for the James Bond wikis next.--Max Sinister (talk) 07:27, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
A James Bond template will be awesome, thanks. Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 11:24, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Login problem[edit]

This month I got an odd login error: I wanted to log in, but got an error message that I had no cookies activated. My browser settings were the same as they are now, and as you can see, I am logged in. --Max Sinister (talk) 09:37, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Which browser are you using? For me, when I use Safari on my Mac, I regularly get cookie warnings for sites which I know that I have already accepted, and it frequently logs me out of sites which I regularly use. I never have those issues when using Opera browser! Regards. Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 11:03, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Do you know a wiki with a smart user community?[edit]

Somehow I don't feel satisfied with the various communities I'm a member of. You know about so many wikis. Can you recommend one to me which has science and/or fiction as a topic, and an intelligent user base? Maybe one with restricted access?

TIA, --Max Sinister (talk) 20:40, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and apologies for late reply. Apart from trawling through Category:Science, it is difficult for me to make personal recommendations. SklogWiki is a high-level science wiki, run by a former WikiIndex editor. Psiram appears to be a quality site, its German language version is fairly active. RationalWiki (en) includes lots of science, as do the various Category:Uncyclopedias. Best regards, Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 11:36, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for your suggestions. For SklogWiki I don't have the right background, and RationalWiki has many readworthy articles, but the userbase has detoriated IMO. Still thanks for Psiram, I'll have to look at it.--Max Sinister (talk) 02:59, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Redirect Please[edit]

Please can you make this page https://wikiindex.org/Taerel_Worldbuilding_Wiki Redirect to Taerel Wiki and merge content as fitting please? 172.26.16.215 22:23, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Are you OK, Sean?[edit]

For some weeks (it feels like it), I've tried to login, but the wiki was always down. That's why I wondered whether something had happened to you.--Max Sinister (talk) 21:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Spammer alert[edit]

172.26.16.37 inserted handbag ads on the Alternativgeschichte-Wiki page. Could you ban him?--Max Sinister (talk) 13:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)