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==Mark Dilley wins another victory in the fight against unnecessary complexity==
I guess I was expecting dozens of people to each insert their pet peeve into the [[WikiIndex talk:Blocking and banning policy#draft blocking policy proposal]], making it balloon up into a huge monster of complexity.


== Mark Dilley wins another victory in the fight against unnecessary complexity ==
I am pleasantly surprised that you made it shorter.  Also, it makes me happy that you deleted my negative language about "warning" and replaced it with a more positive alternative. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 01:44, 8 September 2009 (EDT)


I guess I was expecting dozens of people to each insert their pet peeve into the
== The value of discussion ==
[[WikiIndex talk:Blocking Policy#draft blocking policy proposal]],
Discussion is also work, unless not completed and hanging in the air for years. Even then it is work, only without result. Naturally it is easier to do little edits here and there and consider that as work with results rather than coming to a conclusion in a debate since the later requires more staying power.  
making it balloon up into a huge monster of complexity.


I am pleasantly surprised that you made it shorter.
I do not mind if anybody improves my statements on a talk page like better link format. But whatever I write there should not be changed in the wording and left with my signature. That would be forgery, that is not me any more. My statements are not articles to be edited. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 20:27, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Also, it makes me happy that you deleted my negative language about "warning" and replaced it with a more positive alternative.
--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 01:44, 8 September 2009 (EDT)


== The lunatics have taken over the asylum. ==
When I count amongst my last 100 edits only 20% is discussion, the rest, 80% is "work" ;-) How is Your work-count? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:08, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


''As pretend assistant to the sheriff's deputy, I do hereby tag this here section for <del>banishment</del> [duplication] to the <del>less popular</del> talk page of a certain <del>uuuh "Fandom Poover", have I got that right? Something like that</del> [rpeh (because rpeh undeleted this section after Lumenos deleted it)]. This is in keeping with [[WikiIndex:Policies_and_Guidelines#Enforcement_against_editors|Section 1 - C of "WikiIndex Policies and Guidelines" under section "Enforcement against editors"]]. As always, your input on matters of policy would be much appreciated and any objections or modification to this here constructive information tag, would be as well. If you modify or endorse this informative tag, please place your user name after this message and strike out any names appearing there at the time of your edit. Thank you for reading this informative tag and considering ways we may [[SoftSecurity|work together to resolve sensitive issues such as these]].'' ([[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]]) (Updated [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 08:07, 11 September 2009 (EDT))[Updated [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 04:39, 12 September 2009 (EDT)]
: I really am not getting into an argument about discussion and work.  :-) ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
:The policies you have made up are not site policy; they are written solely by you, and have no consensus. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 13:19, 10 September 2009 (EDT)
:: You are not getting into it, You where the one who started it in the first place. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:11, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
::What policy have I made up? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 17:57, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
::: Manorainjan, maybe it's a second language thing, but the tone of your words seems hostile. Might I suggest you take a rest from this subject? --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] ([[User talk:MarvelZuvembie|talk]]) 21:16, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
::It is more a matter of whether the administration or other editors mind (or prefer) that I relocate a section that appears to have no useful information in it. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 17:57, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
::: I do not think it's about tone. But if You think, You can explain it. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:26, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
:::Is there a policy against doing so? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 17:57, 11 September 2009 (EDT)


That is all I have to say. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 10:12, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
::: I apologize, I didn't mean to say that discussion was not work, when in fact it is sometimes the hardest work. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
:If you could [[WikiIndex:Policies_and_Guidelines|write the rules]], what would they say? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:48, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
::Sysops should have to pass basic tests of mental age, and protection should only be used in the most dire of vandal attacks. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 13:15, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
:::<rolls eyes> Another genius suggestion. I sure am glad rpeh undeleted your comment here so we can explore this further. Could you describe this test in more detail? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 13:25, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
::::There will be standard tests available; Trent might know. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 13:32, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::You are serious? So do you think we should employ those tests here? Will they share them? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 14:02, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::I would recommend a little java appellate with a virtual square peg and two virtual wholes: one round, one square. Admins can't log on with out placing the peg in the appropriate whole. [[User:Tmtoulouse|Tmtoulouse]] 14:05, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Epic win. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 14:15, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Doh! This is nothing but HOBGOBLINTRIES! (That having been said.) Honor to speak with you, Sir. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 14:11, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::...if that's [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tmtoulouse your REAL name]. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 15:56, 8 September 2009 (EDT)


== "Archive" most of this page to subpage ==
::: Sometimes? ;-) For every work there is a competence to aquire that makes it easier if not possible at all. [http://www.pmsa.de/NonviolentCommunication/ NVC] and sorry for late reply, I was busy with "work" ;-) [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 23:21, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
* 了解!--[[User:Msnhinet8|Msnhinet8]] ([[User talk:Msnhinet8|talk]]) 23:39, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


Mark if you don't object I plan to move everything on this page, posted '''before "143 Conservaèdia"''', to a subpage. It supposedly helps with compatibility and I think it makes it easier to read. I don't know how to make neat archive icons, I would just put a link at the top of the page. I'll wait four days for you to object. (This is to save you time in responding.) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 19:43, 8 September 2009 (EDT) [Updated comment in bold.]
===How community works===
* [[Meatball:WhyWikiWorks]] is what I was so poorly trying to get to. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


Please let me know if you don't appreciate me doing things like this. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:29, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
<blockquote> "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." is one of seven quotes inscribed on the walls at the gravesite of John F. Kennedy at Arlington National Cemetery. </blockquote>
:Lumenos has a good idea for once. Archive the first sixty or so sections to a User talk:MarkDilley/Archive1 page please? [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 04:37, 4 October 2009 (EDT)


I found the code to make neat archives and went ahead and archived the page. I hope I did good. I can't imagine why you wouldn't want it archived but perhaps I am being presumptuous. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 05:41, 23 June 2010 (EDT)
In that spirit it does not bring forward community feeling by howling that one is not part of it but by active participation and invitation for others to participate. Now, on the one hand You are acting [http://languageofcompassion.com/resources/take-a-look-at-kellys-book/#sample%20chapters 'nice'] by welcoming new users and telling <b>them</b> to [[BeBold]]. But on several occasions where I acted semi-bold and discussed a change with a 'senior' user You where howling [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Hoof_Hearted&diff=179561&oldid=179539#Template:Inactive 'I am not involved in the conversation']. So, what I did was [http://wikiindex.org/WikiIndex_talk:Community_portal#Template:Inactive to shift this topic in front] and invited the community to discuss it there. Now the question arises why didn't You do that in the first place, being more senior and obviously feeling the need for participation showing me HowTo CommunityCate? Now, I went further and [http://wikiindex.org/User_talk:Msnhinet8 informed other Users who obviously did not take note of this discussion].  Rather than supporting the unfinished discussion You started to discourage my efforts by belittling the value of discussion calling then 'endless' which is an euphemism for useless and without result and contradicting discussion with 'work' as a symbol for productivity. Also You potentially started a separation of 'me' and what I do (endless discussion) and what You call 'we' and what actually You personally allegedly are doing. this is neither 'wok' AKA little edits here and there nor promoting community AKA discussion for finding solutions with which everybody can live nicely.
:Archive 1 contains two categories that were added with comments. They have nothing else in them and I thought they looked maybe unintentional so I archived them with everything else. They are in this section: [[User_talk:MarkDilley/Archive1#Category_Sorting]] -- [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 05:41, 23 June 2010 (EDT)


== RationalWikiWiki ==
What You got to do now is, to find Your inner motivation what drove You to disturb constructive discussions and then redirect this motivation into a more productive strategy that supports the progress of a community. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 13:34, 14 August 2014 (UTC)


Hi Mark. do you think you could comment on this talk page: [[Talk:RationalWikiWiki]].  thanks.--[[User:Bob M|Bob M]] 03:49, 10 September 2009 (EDT)
== Ohai Mark ==
Sincerely, Johnny. [[User:Sweetie Belle|Sweetie Belle]] ([[User talk:Sweetie Belle|talk]]) 23:53, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


Bob - will get to it tomorrow night or this weekend. Best, [[MarkDilley]]
== Should we have alternative infoboxes besides Template:Wiki? ==
Discussion [[WikiIndex talk:Community portal#Alternative Infoboxes|here]]. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] ([[User talk:MarvelZuvembie|talk]]) 19:36, 27 August 2014 (UTC)


Could you also address this "article": "Huw Powell"? I am not a wiki, I am a free man! [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 19:58, 10 September 2009 (EDT)
== Improving the community ==
: ''It is the convention of this wiki to put people with real names into the main namespace - and pseudonym accounts to stay in the user namespace.  I have deleted the page as you requested. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
[[WikiIndex talk:Community portal#Discussion with results AKA work .3B-.29|Discussion with results AKA work ;-)]] Any suggestions? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])
::I did not realize that convention existed here.  It seems odd to me to have editors of the wiki come up on "random page", but then again, I don't know what thought went into the convention.  Anyway, thank you for doing what I asked.  I am editing my comment above to remove the "red link".  Do you think it would make sense for me to get renamed as a pseudonym I often use on wikis, "human", so as to fit your convention? [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 16:52, 11 September 2009 (EDT)


==Articles for users with with real names==
== [[WikiIndex talk:Community talk#Request account - real name]] ==
Do You know the answer?[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


This is inspired by comments by Huw Powell in the RationalWikiWiki section above:
Regarding Your 'envisioning' the Community portal to be of any use for community or discussion, how shall this question [[WikiIndex talk:Opt out]] be treated, how would the community be 'notified' about it? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 14:35, 4 September 2014 (UTC)


I don't think that it is such a bad idea to index real-world people who run wikis. However, a lot of user pages do seem to be written in a very random fashion and I wonder how much usefulness someone will get from visiting a page that is not an encyclopedic entry about the person.
== eMail ==
What happened to the fixing of email functionality for this Wiki?[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 12:51, 7 September 2014 (UTC)


If WikiIndex wishes to continue with this (possibly very useful) convention, perhaps there should be some sort of templates that can add value to articles about users. For example, it might be nice to have a template that gives a list of wikis that the user administers and/or writes on. Or it might be useful for users to list the (WikiIndex) categories they are most interested in. There are already some infoboxes that allow people to tell others about the languages they speak, but these are not universally used.
: Upgrading to a clean install of the latest stable version was hoped to have resolved that issue. It hasn't. That is the place where we are at now. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


I think that if you improved the 'people' articles it could also be worth going to the wiki articles and then adding a list of active WikiIndex users. That way, if anyone had a problem with an article about a wiki, they could quickly go and find expert help. [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 12:27, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
You told me, that some user account do not have this problems. From there I concluded, that it is not a software problem. the Problem sits in the net. It got to do with mail servers and blacklists.[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])
:What David says makes sense to me. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 04:38, 4 October 2009 (EDT)


== 7 ==
PS: When this update was done?


Yes, you are right[http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Universal_Edit_Button&diff=next&oldid=69656] :-) - it was a typo. Greetings, [[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 03:16, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
: Last year was the latest [[upgrade]]. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


== Philsworld ==
{{done}} see [[WikiIndex:Community_portal]] [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 23:02, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


The creator of the article [[Philsworld]] recently blanked it as the wiki is no longer active. I have changed it back, but substituted the {{tl|Inactive}} template for the {{tl|Wiki}} template. I presume that this is generally how we would prefer to indicate wikis which have reached the end of their lifespan. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:10, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
== Too late ==
https://WikiIndex.org/User_talk:W812949
[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


== Please help develop explicit rules ==
== Wikipediaphobie? ==
Wikipedia has no page about us: {{Wp|List of wikis}}


Following the recent incidents surrounding the RationalWiki article, I have come to the conclusion that we need a set of really explicit policies and guidelines. I don't like this, but it's necessary. I have started work on [[Wikiindex:Policies_and_Guidelines]] and I would appreciate your input.
And then the ivory tower inhabitants wonder why this Wiki does not grow a stronger user base within the said 8+ years...
Who is the PR secretary of this one-horse town? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 22:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


What I ''don't'' (yet) have is method. Not sure what should go on the talk page and what shouldn't. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 04:08, 4 October 2009 (EDT)
== [[User:Robin Patterson]] ==
:Proposed "policy" should go in sections on the page.  Discussion, with the same section names, should be on the talk page.  What gets accepted/agreed on at the talk page, becomes the eventual main page.  I invite you to [[RationalWiki]] where we wrote, and then rewrote, our site policies in such a fashion.  Come to my talk page (user:human) if you want me to show you around.  I'm not telling you what to do, just offering an example that worked for us. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 04:42, 4 October 2009 (EDT)
Do You know what role Robin Patterson played in the founding phase of WikiIndex? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 23:27, 11 September 2014 (UTC)


== Spam blacklist fail ==
Robin helped with [[SwitchWiki]] and jumped over to [[WikiIndex]] for a bit. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


Hi Mark. For some reason, [[My spam blacklist]] doesn't seem to be working. The last time I tested it several days ago, it worked fine. Today it doesn't seem to work. I'm trying to use it to prevent the fraudulent essay spammers from adding links to their sites. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:40, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
:Sounds like a founding member to me, if he was already engaged on the preceding project. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


:Never mind. I missed that the offending words had to be a part of a link, not just any regular expression. It's working fine. I just was too lazy in my typing. :-P --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 21:18, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
== [[Proposal:WikiIndex Pages on indexed Wikis|Great discussion :-)]] ==
... You said 2007 ...


== Welcome thanks! ==
Was there any result? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 07:37, 12 September 2014 (UTC)


Thank you Mark :[[User:Sj|Sj]] 19:34, 14 October 2009 (EDT)
==Project Namespace==
Can You give a definition of 'Project:' namespace?
:They are typically the name of the wiki, also called meta pages. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 22:53, 15 September 2014 (UTC)


== New status? ==
== fb ==
Do You ever read your facebook mails? M.


Question about New status at [[Category talk:New]]. --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 19:48, 24 October 2009 (EDT)
== new WikiIndex logo ==
[[:File:WikiIndexLogo2014.png]]


== Doppelgänger-Account ==
I have no idea what could be offending in a sunflower.[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 10:54, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


Someone created a new account <code>[[User:MarkDiIley]]</code> which could mixed-up with your user account.
: Really?  As Sean suggests, a sunflower with the brackets around it is copyrighted. Makes sense to me. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
I blocked him. :-) --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 11:11, 8 November 2009 (EST)
:: and looks like it is in the public domain, thanks [[YiFei]].
: The next one: <code>[[User:MarkDiIIey]]</code> - one combination left ;-) Greetings, [[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 03:33, 10 November 2009 (EST)
:: The last one of ''this'' kind: <code>[[User:MarkDilIey]]</code>. --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 07:14, 14 November 2009 (EST)
::: Oh, look! I have one, too! :P <code>[[User:MarveIZuvembie]]</code>. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 13:46, 7 December 2009 (EST)


== Broken Interwikis? ==
== blocked from doing work ==
I think the biggest thing for you to do Manorainjan, is to slow down here.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]


Hi Mark,
:What would be the advantage of being slow? the one who does mistakes should be more careful. Maybe he should 'slow' down, take a vacation. I'm fine. My mind is concentrated. I'm in good mood. What is wrong with that? M.
::I think they basically mean, spend more time in the D part of the [[BRD cycle]], and work to get consensus on your side. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 20:14, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 
I'm the last one to avoid any discussion ;-) But Sean has blocked every possible aspect of my account regarding communication, even internal mail which is needed for this part:
<nowiki>
User is blocked
Jump to: navigation, search
 
Your username or IP address has been blocked.
 
The block was made by Hoof Hearted. The reason given is no reason given.
Start of block: 14:17, 19 September 2014
Expiry of block: 14:17, 26 September 2014
Intended blockee: Manorainjan
 
You can contact Hoof Hearted or another administrator to discuss the block. You cannot use the 'email this user' feature unless a valid email address is specified in your account preferences and you have not been blocked from using it. Your current IP address is 178.11.160.142, and the block ID is #19490. Please include all above details in any queries you make.
</nowiki>
M.


I've been gone a while, but in visiting today I noticed that the foreign language interwiki links in the "includeonly" section of {{tl|Wikipedia}} are appearing as red links within the article (see [[English Wikipedia]], for example) instead of as interwiki links in the lefthand column. Perhaps a change to MediaWiki's configuration has caused this? Just thought you should know.
The reason Sean gave was ''copyright violations, repeated disruption to WikiIndex, refusing to following community-agreed standards'' in the first block.  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


--[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 15:25, 1 March 2010 (EST)
::None of those accusations have substance. He totally failed to supply any proof of his biased claims. He did not even try. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


== Sysop ==
:The log summary helps make people realize there was more misbehavior after the unblock; otherwise, the reblock makes it look like there was a wheel war. [[Special:Logs/block]]. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 22:20, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


Hi! I request sysop status here. Thank you! [[User:Erwin|Erwin]] 08:55, 29 March 2010 (EDT)
There was and is no wheel war.
# Sean blocked my account
# Mark expressed that he did not agree with that.
# Sean ignored that
# YiFei, being more practical than talkative unblocked my account, expressing his opinion by this.
# Sean disrespected both and blocked my account again.
# Mark repeated his difference in opinion
# Sean kept his stubborn attitude and silence.
That's it. Now the thing hangs in the middle kind of. Sean puts his nose deep in 'work' trying his very, very best to ignore my IP edits or anybody's comments on this 'case' and passes his chances to 'range block' the IPs I'm using. And none of the sysops like to stir anybody up further. So, Your expectation of a wheel war will go unfulfilled. I'm not sorry about this.[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])
:How was that not a wheel war? Are you saying that the battle was only [https://www.quora.com/Hypothetical-Battles hypothetical] and not real? [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 23:41, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


But why? Of...[[User:Erwin|Erwin]] 11:49, 30 March 2010 (EDT)
You seam to have serious difficulties to understand the motivations of people. First of all there was no intention of waging a war from any side, especially not amongst the sysops. Everybody expressed their opinion in their specific way, once. Only mark did the same thing twice. But he did no reverts, blocks or unblocks at all. So, nothing to see here, keep moving! [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])
:If there were a fight, who do you think would win? What odds would you place on the various combatants? Also, are you willing to provoke enough fights (n >= 30) that we will have a statistically significant sample with which to judge the accuracy of your predictions? Also, how much money can we bring into the WikiIndex coffers by taking the wiki private and charging the public for admission to see the fight? [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 00:04, 20 September 2014 (UTC)


If there would be a fight, nobody would win, everybody would lose and everybody except You knows that.
And You don't have the power to start a war Birdy. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


[http://fortwiki.com/User_talk:John_Stanton#Hi.21 See the confirmation] from founder of site, give me now sysop status...--[[User:Erwin|Erwin]] 15:54, 1 April 2010 (EDT)
:That's only true if the last man standing is mortally wounded before he finishes everyone else off. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 00:10, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
:Hi Erwin. For completing your sysop's button collection, take a tour around [[:Category:All|our wiki collection]]. And I'm sure, [[:Category:NeedsLove|some of them will highly appreciate hour help]]. I guess for this wiki the answer is just '''no'''. (Maybe my English is too bad: I cannot discover any ''confirmation'' in John's answer.) Best regards --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 16:20, 1 April 2010 (EDT)


== WoWWiki and PathfinderWiki both leave Wikia!  ==
Hey Birdy, if You can't sleep, do something useful: [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki#Table of results|Table of results]] M.


I've started [[Category_talk:Wikia#WoWWiki_and_PathfinderWiki_both_leave_Wikia.21|a topic on the Wikia talk page]], but hope you could give some input into how to proceed. [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 03:40, 5 November 2010 (PDT)
== [[User:Manorainjan]] ==
Mark, there are numerous reasons why the above user should be blocked, some of them extremely serious, and I must insist that the block should stand. I will detail my reasons on Monday, when I have more time and less interuptions.  I would appreciate that you support your fellow sysops, rather than constantly over-rulling them. Respectfully yours, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 21:00, 21 September 2014 (UTC)


== I am so sorry ==
== [[Special:RequestAccount]] ==
We got to change this page in order to supply necessary information right there.


I heard that you got impersonated on youtube. I am so sorry. WIll you block him? ''The preceding unsigned comment posted by [[User:Doon Harrow|Doon Harrow]] 00:26, 8 November 2010 - please remember to sign your comments with four tilde. <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>''
* I would also like to include in [[WikiIndex:Real names]] that using a RN is appreciated but optional.
* What about that field in request form? Is it optional or compulsory?
* The form does not explicitly tell which field needs to be filled!! There is lack of clarity. That does not support the generation of trust. I cannot continue to write help text if I do not know the conditions of account creation.
* I also suggest to trim this page quite a lot. For example "Other information" should be omitted.
*This page is the very entry point for wiki community. This and the following procedures are absolutely vital for it's growth.
* I also may be lacking some technical terms here. Request, creation, validation, 'approval'?
* The page treats email verification and account approval as the same thing with the same word.
* The main page navigation speaks of Request and the Help page of create account. There should not be a difference.
[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:35, 24 September 2014 (UTC)


== wikiindex page about Recent Changes Camp? ==
== [[Talk:Assume good faith]] ==
Check my recent rant about Your favourite dogma ;-)  And [[User talk:Babooshka|how]] I got there. (He/she/it/them was online today)  [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 23:10, 24 September 2014 (UTC)


Should there be a WikiIndex page about [[Recent Changes Camp]]? --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 01:43, 14 November 2010 (PST)
== Template:Grey4Column ==
* [[:Template:Wp]] Delete? Categorize? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


: Oops. There is one (at "[[RecentChangesCamp]]"). Move it to "Recent Changes Camp"? --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 01:49, 14 November 2010 (PST)
== [[WikiIndex:Community portal/News]] ==
:: will [[redirect]] the non-[[CamelCased]] one. Thanks! ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
I thought this is newest news on top? --[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 16:24, 27 September 2014 (UTC)


== Spam bots ==
==[[WikiIndex:Teamwork information]]==
This is a proposal for a new wiki community related feature.


Hi Mark,
I hope You like the idea and find a way to integrate this table on Your User Page.
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="background:#ff9900; color:#300080"
! Online Accessibility !! E-mail !! Commitment !! Exeptions !! UTC !! Skills !! Duty !! Rank !! Propensities
|-
| || yes || || no time until 4-11-2014 || || || - || bureaucrat ||
|-
|}


Has there been discussion in wiki circles about the best way to stop spambots like [[Special:Contributions/Literacyguru|Literacyguru]] before they change hundreds of articles? I'm sure there's some sort of rollback script, but I don't have the familiarity with bots that I do with other aspects of MediaWiki, so I'm rolling back the vandalism one article at a time. Still, if "editors" that edit multiple articles in an inhumanly short time frame could be flagged, that might be helpful.
It's first try.  I'm happy if You help to improve it.  Details filled in lines other than mine are of course only for demonstration.  I'm curious to see how You might fill it. --[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 00:27, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


--[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 12:12, 16 December 2010 (PST)
No comments on this from You? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


Upon further research, the recent spam probably wasn't done by a bot. The edits weren't that quick. Also, it adapted to making a mistake—putting the spam inside of a comment field. Still, some kind of multiple rollback tool would be nice. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 13:50, 16 December 2010 (PST)
: I am extremely busy for this month with the political season in the states. The comments I have are not easily shortened. Will have to get to it later. Best, [[MarkDilley]]


: ''I will ask person upgrading the site if there is a mass rollback on a unleashed spammer. Thanks for catching it, please don't hesitate to grab me on [[IRC]] or email to help.  My best, [[MarkDilley]]''
I see. It is on occasion of Your remark that You are swamped till 4.11.14 that I started developing this idea. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


==ACC Bible Quizzing Wiki==
You do have some time! I have seen it. Do You prefer to waste it in micromanagement? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 10:50, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
My only wish is for the article that I created about the ACC Bible Quizzing Wiki to be deleted.[[User:Joel amos|Joel amos]] 17:53, 3 February 2011 (PST)


== Wikiversity ==
:Is the political season now over? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:41, 9 November 2014 (UTC)


You look like one of the "people in charge". :)  
It is nearly half a year now, since I asked. How much time do You intend to devote to the community You are "envisioning" to be the leader of? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 07:00, 21 February 2015 (UTC)


As a bureaucrat on a Wikia wiki who does most of the editing, I do not envy you.
No time at all? [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 07:20, 12 August 2015 (PDT)


WikiIndex is much needed, but it would be nice if it were on a fast wiki farm such as Wikia or Wikkii. But then I am not sure if they would allow all this info about their competition. But the wiki index looks like it is struggling. It is very slow, and is using an old version of MediaWiki software. Putting this on an ad-supported wiki farm would ensure its longterm survival, and more up-to-date software and hardware.
== meatball ==
What happened to [[MeatballWiki]]?  It is said to be locked. But there is no reason either here or on the wiki itself. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 00:49, 9 October 2014 (UTC)


Maybe this could be transferred to Wikiversity? You would think that Wikimedia would support wikis in general. I left a request for comment at the Wikiversity forum:
== Real Names ==
*http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Colloquium#Wiki_Index._Request_for_comments --[[User:Timeshifter|Timeshifter]] 19:29, 26 April 2011 (PDT)
You will be interested in that [[WikiIndex talk:Real names#How real is the support for real names on this_Wiki.3F]] and we will be curious to get further input from You, Mr. [[Leader]] ;-) [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 19:11, 22 October 2014 (UTC)


== [[Universal Edit Button]] ==
== What serves the community? ==
Do You think, it serves the community if You let people invent structures for apparently no reason and not teach them how to interact with community, how to introduce new intended concepts and how to get feedback from the peers? How will this serve qualitative or quantitative growth of community? This is not a rhetoric question. I expect an explanation of "What in the world where You thinking?" [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 10:49, 27 October 2014 (UTC)


Hi Mark, there seems to be a problem. Thus it is offline. I would be very sad to learn that it is gone entirely. :( Cheers --[[User:Kghbln|&#91;&#91;kgh]]]] 02:09, 8 June 2011 (PDT)
It took You two years to have no answer at all. --[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 10:09, 16 June 2016 (PDT)


: I am relieved to hear that it was just a struggle. I just had a look at it: It is happily back there it belongs and running. :) Cool. Cheers --[[User:Kghbln|&#91;&#91;kgh]]]] 14:24, 9 June 2011 (PDT)
== Request for [[WikiIndex:ServerMove|ServerMove]] concerns  ==
Hi MarkDilley.  Since you are one of the most active contributors here I wanted to be sure to draw your attention to the upcoming [[WikiIndex:ServerMove|ServerMove]] and solicit your help in making the transition a positive rather than negative experience. Please take a moment to visit [[WikiIndex:ServerMove|ServerMove]] and curate the list of concerns. Thanks! -- [[User:BrandonCsSanders|BrandonCsSanders]] ([[User talk:BrandonCsSanders|talk]]) 22:39, 14 November 2014 (UTC)


== RegioWikis in Europe ==
== [[Create.Wiki‎]] ==
You knew it is a farm.  Why didn't You use the farm-template? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 11:49, 15 November 2014 (UTC)


Hi. I just discovered [http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&t=h&msa=0&msid=115570622864617231547.00044e461c185a89b6d71&ll=49.095452,14.677734&spn=39.93254,79.013672&z=4 this map]. I'm trying to archive all them at WikiTeam, but an article at WikiIndex for them would be nice too. Add it to the TODO list, please. Regards. [[User:Emijrp|emijrp]] 01:44, 12 June 2011 (PDT)
It's not that easy. Try this: [[Template:Wiki farm]][[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 15:35, 15 November 2014 (UTC)


== New parameter into [[Template:Wiki]] for backups ==
Mark, I patiently waited for You to moan. So no is the time: You are the "elder". It is You who should teach me how to set up a wiki farm entry, not the other way around.
http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/000000/00000/1000/900/1915/1915.strip.gif
* And it is not me who should need to counter-check Your edits.
* The leader of a wiki is to set a good example. Moaning and leading exclude each other. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 17:46, 15 November 2014 (UTC)


Hi Mark. Can we add a new parameter into [[Template:Wiki]] to link to backups? wiki_backup for url and wiki_backup_date for date. If you are OK I can do it. Regards. --[[User:Emijrp|emijrp]] 03:11, 29 June 2011 (PDT)
Manorainjan, as the 'elder' here I gave clear direction on how the interaction on the wiki would be better for you. I said, instead of coming to my page and telling me I did something wrong, just fix it. That is how I teach you how to interact on this wiki.   ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


== You've got mail ==
Leadership and learning are indispensable to each other.
John F. Kennedy


[[User_talk:Varnent]]
Vacations are for the tiered ones. I'm not tiered. And You will not pay my vacations anyway. So, do not ask me, do not interfere in my schedule.  
: Now you have more. :)


== SMW ==
But if You got tiered, I prepared something nice for You, something I "envisioned" some time ago:


Hi Mark, your welcome. I mostly made minor changes since Yaron already did most of the work setting it up. Cheers --[[User:Kghbln|&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93;]] 04:51, 30 July 2011 (PDT)
[[File:Lead follow or get out of the way.jpg]]


== Enable captcha ==
Or do some real work! [[WikiIndex talk:Leader]]
[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 23:54, 26 November 2014 (UTC)


The solution to this spam attack is to enable captcha for all anonymous edits, not just if they're posting external links. Do it. '''[[User talk:Elassint|Elassint]]''', 07 30 2011
== Please comment ==
[[WikiIndex talk:Community portal#We need to have a community discussion about Nathania.2FNathan Larson.2FUser:Leucosticte]]. Honestly, this has really been weighing on me and I am extremely uncomfortable with this content. I know we've spoken about it before but I finally took some rogue admin action about it and deleted some of the links to content about CP. I can't handle it. We shouldn't be linking to that material here or allowing someone to overrun this site with niche vanity wikis. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 06:08, 21 November 2014 (UTC)


:Looking it up on MediaWiki, it appears as though one of the five ConfirmEdit triggers would require use of a CAPTCHA on ''any'' edit. If I read it correctly, it appears as though the CAPTCHA is only required once, so, although annoying, this might solve the vandalbot problem. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit#Configuration]
Mark, I agree that your input on this would be useful. Some clarity is needed on whether this project is open to listing every wiki, or whether there's going to be some restriction on scope. No clear standard has been set as to what content isn't allowed, other than obvious linkspam to non-wiki websites, and I think that previously the door has been wide open to covering the whole wikisphere, and that that is how the situation should remain. The vast majority of WikiIndex deals with niche wikis, and that includes a handful of vanity wikis, aka blikis. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 18:02, 21 November 2014 (UTC)


:I do suspect it is a bot as I am seeing similar edits on [http://cp.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WikiActivity other wikis] from the same IPs. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 18:39, 6 September 2011 (PDT)
What is a community response to this?  Free speech or not having CP here... and not a rogue admin action, no, simply editing.  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
:I don't understand what you're saying. Can you rephrase that? Thanks. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 19:16, 23 November 2014 (UTC)


== Wikicareer.de = spam? ==
== Test category ==
'''[[:Category:FirstAdditional]]''' Is this serving a function now? Do you want to delete it? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 04:31, 25 November 2014 (UTC)


Question at [[Talk:Wikicareer.de]]. --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 15:48, 10 December 2011 (PST)
It is part of the template/Boilerplate. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 11:23, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
:'''The template?''' There are lots of templates. Which one? What function is this serving? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 20:05, 25 November 2014 (UTC)


== Thanks ==
That [[User talk:Koavf#The Template|Template]] [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 20:39, 25 November 2014 (UTC)


Thanks for the new bot and sysop privileges. [[User:Emijrp|emijrp]] 03:19, 16 December 2011 (PST)
== BackupData not available for the community ==
Hi Mark,


== delete nominations ==
at [[WikiIndex:Consensus]] You wrote that ray "provides" the Backup data. How and where does he do this? Where can members of this "community" get hands on it?[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 11:48, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


Hi Mark, noticed you seem to have some concerns over some of my delete nominations - some of which frankly confuse me. [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Amit&oldid=91756 This edit] is one - this 'article' is clearly someone who is trying to use WikiIndex to actually HOST their wiki (rather than create an 'entry' here on WikiIndex with a link to an off-site wiki). TeraS checked out all my deletion 'nominations' relating to this particular article and user, and agreed with me - in that it was just spam. (And I'm sure you'll agree that spam doesn't just have to be trying to sell medications for erectile disfunction!!) ;p  And just because some 'spam' which was created here in the early days of WI, and didn't get picked up on, surely needs to be treated with the same emphasis as spam created say yesterday!  IMVHO, of course. :)
:From Your one month of silence I conclude, that the backup is not available for the community. Also I conclude, that You Yourself are not available for Work on this wiki. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 12:08, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
::Usually it's necessary to redact [[mw:Manual:Database_fields_containing_sensitive_data|sensitive data]] anyway, or export it as XML files or something. You can create your own backup by setting up a script to export everything. I've done it before. It is kind of a PITA, though. There was also [[mw:User:Leucosticte/Doing the Newgon stuff]], instructions for exporting stuff from NewgonWiki. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 10:09, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


And this comment [[User talk:TeraS#deletions|here]] - kinda would have been nice to include me in the discussion too, don't you think? :/  Anyway, my explanation for my recent 'deletionisms' - I'm sure you need no reminding that a (good) wiki works best when articles (along with all the other 'stuff') on a wiki site have lots of [[WikiIndex:Wiki Links|wikilinks]].  Having been on here a little while now, I became aware that many articles/talk page discussions/project pages/help pages, etc, are seriously devoid of wikilinks (and yes, I'm aware that in its infancy, these 'links' may not have actually been available).  So, in trying to improve the 'wikilinks' issue, my first port of call (after attending directly to obvious articles) was to look in [[Special:SpecialPages]] at the [[Special:UncategorizedTemplates|Uncategorized templates]] - and either (a) link them to an appropriate [[:Category:Templates|template]] category (or one of its sub-cats), or (b) nominate them for deletion.  Of those that I nominate for deletion, 99% of the time, I clicked on the [[Special:WhatLinksHere]], and any that did have links, I let be.  But those which had no links in the WhatLinksHere, after having checked their edit history, those that ''seemed'' to be 'test' edits had the <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki> tag, along with some hidden text to explain my rationale, which was then copied to the edit summary (and many of these were created by well-known spammer, wiki-irritant and banned  member Jonah Musto.)  OK, I admit to not checking every single template I nominated, simply because some appeared to follow a certain pattern - but then, I am only 'nominating' them for deletion - the Admin ''should'' also verify them too!
== Your silly comment about [[WikiWikiWeb]] ==
You wrote "Your efforts have closed the original [[WikiWikiWeb]] (they have moved it to the new [[Smallest Federated Wiki]]) and I request you stop editing the page going forward. [[MarkDilley]]"


At the end of the day - I'm only here to try and help WikiIndex become a 'better' place - one of those methods is creating wikilinks; and the other is spam-hunting and trimming out niff-naff unused 'stuff' (templates, cats, etc). In doing so, these deletion nominations have all been in 'good faith' - so if I have nominated an item incorrectly, I apologise. But it would be nice to let me know if you think I'm doing anything fundamentally 'wrong'!  I respect of my efforts of improving wikilinking - I suppose a good question to pose might be - "of those [[Special:Statistics|5000+]] wikis listed here, how many of those actual wiki owners are aware that their site is listed here on WikiIndex?" (I personally know that two of my UK nominations don't!). Anyway, best regards --[[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] 01:57, 6 January 2012 (PST)
# My efforts can not close [[WikiWikiWeb]]. Ward is the only one who can close it.
# They have not moved it.
# And one can not move it to [[Smallest Federated Wiki]] because that is an engine and not a wiki.
# there is no reason whatsoever why I should not edit a page which contains mistakes.


== Message from Escyos ==
You have never been so wrong before. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:25, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
<small><tt>EDIT: This was a new topic. --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 05:02, 10 January 2012 (PST) </tt></small> <br/>
thank you for the welcome....although I suspect it was to clear up redlinks in recent changes.... [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 20:10, 8 January 2012 (PST)


== SopaStrike ==
== Weigh in on [[WikiIndex:Proposal: domain name change#Poll]]? ==
I wanted to be sure to draw your attention to a potential [[WikiIndex:Proposal: domain name change|decision to change the domain of this wiki]].  I hope you'll weigh in with your opinion.  Thanks! [[User:BrandonCsSanders|BrandonCsSanders]] ([[User talk:BrandonCsSanders|talk]]) 20:09, 13 March 2015 (UTC)


About SopaStrike. Posted my thoughts to Community Portal/News AND Talk:Community Portal/News (since anon IP was the one that linked to Talk:Community Portal/News. Which page is the correct one to post SopaStrike thoughts to? Perhaps Community Portal/News should have headers instead of non-TOC subsections (where there is semicolon at start of line) so people can click on edit link of the section they want to edit? --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 10:07, 16 January 2012 (PST)
== WikiIndex:Community portal/News ==
Hey Mark, what was that?


== wikiFactor 20 ==
Was the '''news''' in this that You woke up and finally noticed something?


"is it correct that the wikiFactor would go to 20 when the twentieth most popular page reaches 20,000?"
I moved Your "news" to the proper place: [[WikiIndex talk:ServerMove#Google AdSense]]
:You are indeed correct! All the best, --[[User:Spud Gun | <b><FONT COLOR="#8B3A3A">Carl McBride</FONT></b>]] ([[User_talk:Spud_Gun |talk]]) 09:36, 1 February 2012 (PST)


== Do we have the RenameUser extension? ==
== [[DeWikiIndex]] ==
Koaf said, You know something about: [[WikiIndex talk:ServerMove#ServerMove is Finished]] [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 10:30, 23 March 2015 (UTC)


I forgot to ask about this earlier. '''[[User talk:Elassint|Elassint]]''', 05 24 2012
== Spam ==
'''Please explain''' It seems like we have IP editing but we also have a procedure for requesting an account: that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Can you explain this? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 13:08, 21 May 2015 (PDT)


== WikiHorde page flagged for deletion ==
:We always hat both, IP-editing and accounts. This is not new and just like on Wikipedia. What is there to explain? We prefer accounts, but don't force it. We prefer real names but don't force it. We perfer pictures in the profiles but don't force it. [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 13:36, 21 May 2015 (PDT)


Thanks for starting WikiIndex page about [[WikiHorde]]. Delete tag was added to that article. I never visited wikihorde.org (and archive.org Wayback Machine doesn't seem to have any archive of wikihorde) ... so I have no first-hand experience with the site in terms of page whether WikiIndex should keep the page (I assume it should be kept). --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 10:17, 12 June 2012 (PDT)
::'''Account requests''' Stop changing the titles of my posts. It doesn't make sense to have an account request process when you can edit without an account anyway. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 13:48, 21 May 2015 (PDT)


It was not a wiki, rather it was a [[WikiIdea]]. I am just going to redirect it to the wiki that inspired the idea for now. Sound like a good idea?  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
:There is quite a difference between something that You don't grasp and something that does not make sense. If You say it does not make sense than it means it is objectively wrong. But if You say it does not make sense to You, it means You simply don't get it. And that is here the case. The situation as is, the possibility of IP editing & accounts at the same time, that makes a lot of sense. Normally I do not use argument by authority or so, but in this case it makes sense: IP editing & accounts is the situation on the whole of Wikipedia. Now You say, You know better than all of them ;-) Say they got no success. [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 13:55, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
::'''Stop please''' Don't change the titles of my posts anymore. Even if you don't like them. In English, you don't capitalize every noun as in German. The only pronoun which is capitalized is "I" or any one that starts a sentence. I have no clue what your response is saying: it's not intelligible to me. You will have to rephrase it if you want me to understand or you can just let Mark respond on his own talk page to a question directed at him in the first place. Thanks anyway. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 14:03, 21 May 2015 (PDT)


== Fine line between [[:Category:Dormant|Dormant]] and [[:Category:Active|Active]] ==
[[User:Koavf|Koavf]], it seems odd to me as well.  Why do we require approval for an account in order to edit if anonymous can just edit anyway?  Why not just allow anyone to create an account and edit if we are going to let ips edit?  One of the major forms of spam on mediawiki installations follows the pattern 1. create account, 2. upload picture, 3. edit page with picture and lots of spam, 4. go away forever.  The ConfirmAccount extension puts a large dent into that particular spam strategy.  A second majore form of spam comes from anonymous editing from ips.  We require ip edits to pass a simple captcha to cut down on spam from them.  Accounts don't have to fill in the captcha.  Does that explanation make sense?  [[User:BrandonCsSanders|BrandonCsSanders]] ([[User talk:BrandonCsSanders|talk]]) 22:21, 21 May 2015 (PDT)


Where do you think is the fine line between dormant and just a slow but active wiki? How do you judge [http://3ddinoadventure.wikia.com/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?days=3000 this site] or [http://2814universe.wikia.com/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?days=3000 this site]? I want to know your thoughts on this. '''[[User talk:Elassint|Elassint<sup>Admin]]</sup>'''  17 June 2012
: In order to save this edit I had to answer the question: "What is the name of this wiki?"  -- Brandon as [[Special:Contributions/76.27.247.138|76.27.247.138]] 22:22, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
: You are correct, there is a fine line.  [[WikiIndex]] is more about how one things things should be listed than hard fast rules.  I think the case could be made that the one edited just a few times a year could be dormant - I could also see the case that it would be active.  What do you think?  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
::'''Spam filtering''' Nice. So the spam that we have recently received was from a human that copy and pasted it onto the wiki rather than a bot just drive-by spamming? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 22:50, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
::: Probably automated by a human who answered the captcha once for their scriptThe captcha is really really simple and never changes. -- [[User:BrandonCsSanders|BrandonCsSanders]] ([[User talk:BrandonCsSanders|talk]]) 23:05, 21 May 2015 (PDT)


== Universal Edit Button on mainpage ==
So, as it was to be expected, Mark did not make any useful input to this question. I wonder why You Koavf started this question at this deserted space wich has a long history of unanswered questions? Why not at [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki]]?
:'''You can stop now''' It's only been a few hours--get over it. I posted here because Mark knows something about the backend of how the site works. If I just wanted to get an admin's attention, I could have done it myself as I am an admin here. You can stop posting here now unless you have something useful to say. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 06:07, 22 May 2015 (PDT)


Ping from ''[[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki#Universal Edit Button on mainpage|Universal Edit Button on mainpage]]'' talk. --[[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] 12:43, 20 June 2012 (PDT)
{{outdent}}See [[WikiIndex:Community portal/News#01 February 2014]] for the related discussion. In short, many spamming technologies change over time. Once upon a time [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special:Log&offset=20140213135032&type=&user=&page=&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1 spam was crazy], but my filter was powerful enough to filter [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special:Log&offset=20140212124559&type=&user=Zhuyifei1999&page=&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1 most of them] out. Then spammers decided to stop. They spammed with [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=12 usernames instead], which again got filtered. Then spammers decided to simply [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special:Log&offset=20140221205458&limit=50&type=newusers&user=&page=&tagfilter= flood accounts with random names]. This, however, could not be prevented. That made some admins stressed, so Confirm Account was installed.


== Wiki ideas? ==
However, things change. Spammers no longer try for accounts. They simply started [[Special:Log/block|spamming without account]] instead. I would develop some filters against this, but I see no easy algorithm to identify such edits. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 05:50, 24 May 2015 (PDT)


Just saw that new category and don't think it should have a place here. That  may be ideas, but they are also guidelines. Guidelines should go in the project namespace, and WikiIndex is a wiki directory, not an encyclopedia about wikis, or am I wrong? --[[User:Bachsau|Bachsau]] 00:08, 29 June 2012 (PDT)
Relevant part of Discussion copied here: [[WikiIndex talk:Spam control policy#2015 discussion]]


: ''From the front page - There are 13,842 pages about wikis, wiki people and wiki ideas.''
== Sysop rights ==
:: -- What are "wiki people"? *lol* You mean people like you, whose personal website can be edited by everyone else? --[[User:Bachsau|Bachsau]] 23:16, 29 June 2012 (PDT)
Hello, I am an active person here. Can I ask for sysop rights? --[[Special:Contributions/User:Gabriele|Gabriele]] ([[User talk:Gabriele|talk]]) 07:48, 24 May 2015 (PDT)
: ''From the edit page - This is not a free wiki hosting site, this is an index of wikis, wiki people and wiki ideas. Contributions outside of that scope will be treated as test edits and be removed.''
: ''[[:Category:WikiIdea]] was started in January 2012, although the idea has been around since 2006, the beginning.  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]''
:: And what exactly IS a "WikiIdea"? --[[User:Bachsau|Bachsau]] 23:16, 29 June 2012 (PDT)


WTF is going on with the server? --[[User:Bachsau|Bachsau]] 00:16, 29 June 2012 (PDT)
Hi Gabriele,  just checking, are you requesting deletion of your account page? If so, I am confused by this request.  Let me know.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
: ''Don't know, been watching it get worse, then get better. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]''
:: Who's the admin here? The real admin, who operates the sever or webspace. --[[User:Bachsau|Bachsau]] 23:16, 29 June 2012 (PDT)


== Thanks! :D ==
I have removed my page because it contained personal information. I have created it again. --[[Special:Contributions/User:Gabriele|Gabriele]] ([[User talk:Gabriele|talk]]) 00:48, 1 June 2015 (PDT)


Thank you for the welcome! The [[Pirates of the Caribbean Online Wiki]] is the only informational wiki on the topic. There is also the [[Pirates of the Caribbean Online Players]], a fan wiki where players can create articles about their pirate(player), guild, etc... Then you have the [http://pirates.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Pirates of the Caribbean Wiki], the informational wiki about the whole franchise. If you have anymore questions, feel free to ask, I'll be glad to help out in any way that I can. ~[[User:Jzfredskins|Jzfredskins]][[User talk:Jzfredskins|<sup>Talk</sup>]]
==Why not public?==
Hey Mark, if You don't want to take responsibility [[WikiIndex_talk:Community_portal#Adminship.2C_how_to_promote]] then why do You discuss such matters concerning us all so privately instead of on the community portal or at least on the admin board? Is this Your 'vision' of community building? [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 09:23, 8 June 2015 (PDT)


I'm sorry for the double post, but I have a question. On the [[Pirates of the Caribbean Online Wiki]] page, for the "''Main Topic''", is "''Information''" the appropriate category? Thanks again. ~[[User:Jzfredskins|Jzfredskins]][[User talk:Jzfredskins|<sup>Talk</sup>]]
== When You like something, facts become irrelevant? ==
[[WhatIsWiki]] You should know better. --[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 08:37, 5 August 2015 (PDT)


== My I invite you... ==
== Do You want to do something useful? ==
[[:Category:Pages for deletion]] --[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 09:58, 6 August 2015 (PDT)


...to [http://wikiindex.org/Category_talk:Active_administrators_of_this_wiki#It.27s_happening_again this discussion]? It's about spammers once more... <br/> For instance, the suggestion from Jack Phoenix seemed interesting to me, but I think you are the only one with contacts to the system administrators... <br/> Best --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 07:13, 30 September 2012 (PDT)
== [[User talk:Technische-Analyse.EU]] ==
Hey Mr. Comunity-building,
this user which You created seems to be unresponsive to whatever one writes to him.
And he loves to delete historical data.
--[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 02:02, 8 January 2016 (PST)


== Moving pages ==
Since You did not understand that quotation and asked for an explanation:
You may know it in its imprecise form:
"Those who do not remember their history are doomed to repeat it."
It is about our mission statement, co-created by You, that we do record wiki history as well.
Why are we doing so?
I don't know why You would like to,
but in the light of said quotation we do record wiki history in order to help wiki people,
those people who not only consume wiki but create and drive wiki,
not be doomed to repeat the(ir) mistakes of the past.
Therefore, wiki history is content for wiki people.
And please do not edit my talk page contributions on other talk pages than Yours!
That user has sufficiently censored our contributions on his talk page already!
[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 01:18, 11 January 2016 (PST)


Hi Mark - I had to make a few deletions and recreations following the recent changes to [[WikiIndex:InterWiki]] and its talk page.  This was because by simply copying content from one page name to another slightly different by using the 'cut/copy/paste' will remove the edit history from the original pagename - and a full edit history is part of the terms of attribution for our CC-BY-SA license.  On MediaWiki, if you need to 'move' an existing page to another page which already exists as a redirect (back to the one you want to change) - you really need to delete said target redirect page first - this will then allow the correct use of the 'move' function, and more importantly, preserve all edit history.  Hope you don't mind me correcting this.
== Movement ==
What means: "Cross MediaWiki direction to remove people from the User namespace)"?
I thought the user namespace is for users?[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 03:21, 2 February 2016 (PST)


Oh, and are you able to fix the redirect for the InterWiki link in the [[Special:ListGroupRights]] so that it redirects to [[WikiIndex:InterWiki]]. I don't think sysops can do that.  Best regards, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 02:07, 16 October 2012 (PDT)
: '''Profiles''' Since we also have pages that discuss individuals, your userpage is in the main namespace and your usertalk is in the user talk. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 06:46, 2 February 2016 (PST)


== Downtime ==
:: At the time we decided what Koavf mentioned above, we decided to keep pseudonyms in the user namespace as to encourage [[WikiIndex:Real names|real names]].  Best, [[MarkDilley]]


Hi Mark, I don't know if you are/were aware of a period of time when the site was down.  On 1st November, from approx 12:30 (UTC), an error message was displayed:
:: AFAIK "pages that discuss individuals" individuals here means [[WikiIndex:Peoples pages]] or [[:Category:Wiki people]]. [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 08:24, 2 February 2016 (PST)
<blockquote>
Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.<br>(Can't contact the database server: Too many connections (localhost))</blockquote>
We were down for about an hour.  Where we being flooded by a DoS attack or similar, or was it just routine server maintenance?  Best regards, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 06:44, 1 November 2012 (PDT)


== InterwikiMap ==
::: At what time? [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 08:22, 2 February 2016 (PST)
:::: Found it here: [[WikiIndex:Namespace conventions]]. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


Hi Mark.
:::::I see. So, new users with real names immediately go to main space without them even requesting it? How Do You konw they are using real names? I think it should be made policy to A: ask new users if they names are real and B ask them if they are willing to appear in main namespace. Users obviously using pseudos should be asked if the like to change to real name or if they like to get additional real name page in name space as well. [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 16:07, 2 February 2016 (PST)
Thank you (and all the other contributors to WikiIndex) for your hard work to maintain and administer this site, without which the highest aspirations for the 20,000-wiki [[mw:Extension:InterwikiMap|InterwikiMap]] would not be possible, because there is (to my knowledge) no other wiki directory of the same comprehensiveness as this. I am hoping that within the next week or two, I can submit a version of the extension to the Git repository for code review. Some important requests for comment are [[mw:Extension:InterwikiMap/Data|here]] and [[mw:Canonical interwiki prefixes|here]]. I will soon be creating a list of proposed canonical interwiki prefixes, and will keep you posted on that and invite the comments of the Wikiindex community. My desire is that we adequately discuss the first edition of the list so that when it is published, we will have reached agreement on 99%+ of it and not have to revise prefixes too much later (although of course we'll need to add and remove prefixes from the list as new wikis are born and old wikis die).


Please note that there are two parts to this process of data accumulation and distribution: the sending and receiving parts. Step 1 is to get the wikis to reveal more of their data via [[mw:API:Meta]] modules. Then it will be possible to harvest that data using bots, and push it to WikiIndex pages, which are already organized using templates and therefore would be bot-friendly, if you want to go the bot route. Step 2 is to harvest all of WikiIndex's data and push it into a database table (or, to the extent that SMW is in use, it's already in a database that can be conveniently queried). Step 3 is to allow wikis to pull that data from the central repository, which could be hosted at WikiIndex, or [http://meta.inclumedia.org Meta-Inclu], or wherever else is most convenient and can handle the traffic (viz., 20,000 wikis hitting it perhaps daily; that shouldn't be too big a deal, since it's only about, perhaps, a kilobyte of text about each wiki being transferred; so that adds up to 20,000 kilobytes/request multipled by 20,000 wikis/day, which equals 400,000,000 kilobytes/request-day, or 400 megabytes/request-day; that's not so bad). Actually, I may be lowballing it a bit, though, depending on how many fields of data there are going to be.
==Hans Christian Isak Mørch Holm==
What are You smoking? [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 11:57, 30 May 2016 (PDT)


Step 4 is for each wiki to filter that data according to its criteria. The question is, will there be a demand for such filtering, or will wikis just want to load all 20,000 prefixes into the interwiki tables? If the latter, then maybe we don't need to distribute all that site data, in which case, the data transfer load can be significantly cut down to something more manageable. In other words, we can reduce it from a kilobyte of text per wiki to maybe one-quarter that. I think, though, that at a minimum they will want to filter based on wiki status (e.g. Dead, Spammed, etc.)
== Please finish the work You have started ==
Or do You want to show is, that it is below [[Special:Contributions/76.27.236.154|You]] to create complete wiki entries? [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 10:22, 16 June 2016 (PDT)


I think as a minimum, though, we should have, as an API-accessible field on each wiki using InterwikiMap, a URL for some sort of general information page. Maybe there should be two URLs &mdash; one for the wiki's about page (so we get their view) and one for Wikiindex's page (so we get the Wikiindex community's view). Wikiindex, of course, can link to even more articles (e.g. in some cases, Wikipedia articles) giving more views about the wikis in question. But I think it's important that users browsing through the interwiki list have a quick way to get info about the various wikis they see on it.
Revision history of "[[BME Encyclopedia]]" shows, You where not only the one who created the doublet of this wiki page, also You choose the wrong entry as base for the merger. The older entries history should be in the merged article. [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 10:54, 18 August 2016 (PDT)


There's a question of what to use for the wiki's about page. Currently, that data hasn't yet been accumulated. [[Template:Wiki]] has a wikinode parameter, but no about page parameter. Should we conclude that the wikinode idea is moribund, or should we keep pushing for its adoption? In the meantime, should we begin accumulating URLs for "about" pages? Perhaps in some cases, the about page ''would'' be the wikinode, but usually not. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 19:36, 20 November 2012 (PST)
: Manorainjan, You are so very tedious. Time for wiki vacation again. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


== New User Bot Account ==
The one who is tired calls others tedious as a result of his psychological projection. That is the one who needs a vacation. I'm not tired, I'm fine. I'm autonomously controlling the dispatching of my energy. Therefore I never need a vacation. [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 02:01, 19 August 2016 (PDT)


Mark, can you please give [[User:LeucosticteBot]] the appropriate [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=bot Bot account] status? Best, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 07:34, 25 November 2012 (PST)
: Exactly~~ [[MarkDilley]]
:Maybe it's time to promote HH to [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&group=bureaucrat crat]? Or at least [[mw:Manual:Establishing a hierarchy of bureaucrats|lieutenant]]. Anyway, I spammed up your RecentChanges with bot edits, but you can hide them from view by retroactively marking them as bot edits with this SQL command to update the [[mw:Manual:Recentchanges table|recentchanges table]]:
<pre>
UPDATE recentchanges
SET rc_bot=1
WHERE rc_user_text='LeucosticteBot';
</pre>
This assumes that you don't have any [[mw:Manual:$wgDBprefix|table prefixes]]. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 02:54, 26 November 2012 (PST)


== Extensions ==
this [[:Category:Hobby]] is another clean up of work which You caused and did not finish. [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 03:25, 27 August 2016 (PDT)


Please install [[mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight GeSHi]] so that pages like [[WikiIndex:ChangeWikiaEngine.php]] will render properly. I also recommend installing [[mw:Extension:Cite]], e,g, in case anyone wants to copy and paste text concerning a wiki that has references in it. Thanks. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 02:34, 26 November 2012 (PST)
== Cleaning of TOS ==
What You can expect if You provide email during registration, '''has''' to be part of the registration page! --[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 11:12, 23 October 2016 (PDT)


== Need to put LeucosticteBot into the bot group ==
== What for are talk pages? ==
https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=User:Databoy&diff=next&oldid=193957
What where You thinking?
If anyone would like to talk to Databoy, You directed him to his user page.
It was to be expected, that Databoy does not want any talk on his user page.
Whom do You know, who prefers talk on his user page?
So I'm asking You: What where You thinking?
Where is the logic in Your action?
Who would benefit from that redirect and how?
Be precise in Your answer!!
--[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 12:11, 12 December 2016 (PST)


I can't do this, can you change their user rights group to this Mark? Thankies! [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] ([[User talk:TeraS|talk]]) 03:31, 26 November 2012 (PST)
:Your disrespect for Mark, one of the fairest admins on this site, is absolutely astonishing. [[User:Databoy|Databoy]] ([[User talk:Databoy|talk]]) 18:13, 12 December 2016 (PST)


== InputBox implementing search bar for Template:Wiki ==
::So You are astonished, that somebody can be more disrespectful than You in Your eyes? Besides that, what is Your mission on WikiIndex? What do You intend to contribute besides conflict that causes the admins waste of time about one single entry?  --[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 01:35, 13 December 2016 (PST)
:::There was no conflict until you appeared and started putting your nose into other people's business. And if you're so concerned about the admins wasting their time, perhaps you shouldn't complain to them. [[User:Databoy|Databoy]] ([[User talk:Databoy|talk]]) 04:17, 13 December 2016 (PST)


Please see the discussion [[User_talk:Hoof_Hearted#Search_bar|here]]. I think this type of search bar would be pretty cool to put on the wiki pages. See another example at http://en.rationalwikiwikiwiki.org/wiki/WikiIndex . Do you have any interest in implementing this on WikiIndex? It would require installing the (hacked) [[User:Leucosticte/InputBox.classes.php]] and [[User:Leucosticte/InputBox.hooks.php]], which replace those two files that come with [[mw:Extension:InputBox]]. The width of the bar and so on can be adjusted by the parameters at [[mw:Manual:Inputbox#Parameters]]. Thanks, [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 00:11, 2 December 2012 (PST)
==[[:Category:WikiIndex account]]==
You got it wrong, as usual. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 01:52, 25 January 2017 (PST)


: If I understand correctly that the search box searches the wiki, that is '''wonderful!''' - Please place it on the upgrade page that Sean has been working on. Also, place anything on that page that you think would make WikiIndex better.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
You are a lovely person to work with, as usual. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


== Thanks for saying hello! ==
Thanks ;-) --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 07:49, 25 January 2017 (PST)


I see you said hi to me on my talk page, thought I'd return the favor.
So, You prefer to do things the wrong way around, as usual? --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 07:55, 25 January 2017 (PST)


If you're wondering, I help [[User:TeraS|Tera]] on the [[SuccuWiki]] as an administrator, and I can also be found on the MediaWiki Users Forum, where I try to give out advice to people with their MediaWiki installations.
== Hey, Mark ==
Since you're a leader of this wiki, I figured I might as well point you to [[WikiIndex talk:Policies and Guidelines|a little vote]] I've started regarding our wiki people policies. --[[User talk:Rock-O-Jello|This is MY book, and I'm gonna READ IT!!!]] 10:18, 25 January 2017 (PST)
: Is this the section you are referring to? [[WikiIndex talk:Policies and Guidelines#Wiki people policy]] ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


I'm personally something of an "amateur hobbyist" when it comes to MediaWiki (I got interested mainly for the intellectual challenge initially), but I try to share what I know with other MediaWiki users because I like helping people when and if I can with computer problems.
== Moving page ==
I'm actually pretty annoyed that you moved my old username -> my current username without asking me first. I have outlined my reasons in a mail.  


Again, thanks for saying hello, and I don't know what I'll be able to contribute here, but I did notice there is an occasional spam problem here, so if I see anything, I'll try to at least flag it for deletion so you guys can deal with it better.
This is something you should have asked me about beforehand and in my opinion, this should not be the default whenever someone changes their name or username. They may have privacy issues or other reasons and may not want this. If I can make a suggestion, you really should ask the user before you do it.


In fact, if you need another admin to deal with spam or vandals, I'd be happy to help out.
I'd like you to please delete that redirect, which I guess means delete old and new userpages (since old has been moved to new and the history is there for anyone to find). To be clear, I don't want any association with that name at all. Think about it for a second & you should understand why.


[[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 10:15, 21 January 2013 (PST)Arcane
I shouldn't have to tell you. I refuse to be defined by my mistakes. That name does not exist anymore. It needs to vanish like a bad dream.


== There seems to be an error with the page creation form ==
Thanks in advance for understanding. [[User:Alexander|Alexander]] ([[User talk:Alexander|talk]]) 14:06, 14 February 2017 (PST)
::Don't forget this user and talk page too, as you moved old to new. Thanks. [[User:Alexander|Alexander]] ([[User talk:Alexander|talk]]) 14:18, 14 February 2017 (PST)


I tried to create a page for [http://wiki.anotherwebcom.com/Main_Page this wiki] using the "Add a Wiki!" form, and I encountered an error. The website has no "Wikinode", so I left the field with a "No" (as is the default setting), but the forum did not seem to acknowledge this and insisted I entered wikinode information despite the wiki in question not having a wikinode.
== HTTP 500 Internal Server Error ==
Hello Mark, hope you are well. :)


(click on the enclosed screenshot to see a visual display of the error)
I am getting blocked from editing certain pages here - returning the above HTTP 500 error.  Do you have any ideas what is happening?


[[:File:FormError.jpg]]
Best regards  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 14:28, 27 April 2017 (PDT)


I'm not sure what is wrong, though I suspect there may be a problem with the form not acknowledging the word "No" as a legitimate statement (which it should).
: Hi Sean, well thank you, hope you are well too.  Are you getting the error still? ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


I am not sure how the form was set up, so I thought it best I forward this matter to you since I am not sure how to rectify the error at present. [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 18:43, 21 January 2013 (PST)Arcane
::I'm not too good - awaiting knee surgery at the moment :-(
:[http://wikiindex.org/Another_Web_Company I finally got it to work], but I had to remove the "No" from the WikiNode line to do so.
::Errors are still bothersome - I've discovered three specific errors, and raised them with Koavf [[User talk:Koavf#Buggy software|here]].  The HTTP 500 error seems to be happening when trying to edit large-ish articles.  [[Template:Wiki status]] is one which refuses to save even the smallest error and gives the HTTP 500. I also tried to archive some of the older messages from [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki]] and save them to [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki/Archive 2014-15]], but it refuses with the HTTP 500.  I've searched on MediaWiki.org, and it indicates some kind of throttling or size limit on the setup of the software. :-/
:I suggest this line on the help tab for the Wikinode part of the form "URL to the WikiNode of your wiki. If your wiki does not have a node, please type 'No'." should be rewritten to say "URL to the WikiNode of your wiki. If your wiki does not have a node, please leave it blank", since that seems to have cleared up the error. [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 09:14, 22 January 2013 (PST)Arcane
:: I've [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Property%3AWikiNode_URL&diff=165097&oldid=140940 fixed it] before, now you can edit it without any error. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 23:18, 13 April 2013 (PDT)
: ''Many thanks!!! ~~ [[MarkDilley]]''


== Thank ==
::I'm also getting very random white-page 'database errors'.  Even on the smallest articles it occurs, and cache clearing doesn't seem to help.  Finally, [[Special:Upload]] refuses to work - I can't upload any new logos.  Hopefully, you can get Ray or Brandon to resolve the issues.  Oh - Happy May Day to you!  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 07:16, 1 May 2017 (PDT)


thank you, With a little help reviewing here.- --[[User:Csuarezllosa|Csuarezllosa]] ([[User talk:Csuarezllosa|talk]]) 21:24, 21 February 2013 (PST)
::: Hopefully fixed now, errant backup script was eating disk space [[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small> 21:23, 2 May 2017 (PDT)


== Just made a fav icon for Wiki Index ==
== Cheking with Ward ==
In 2010 You said "As far as I understand, [[PortlandPatternRepository]] is the first wiki and was nicknamed the [[WikiWikiWeb]]." and You are going to check with ward: http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Talk:WikiWikiWeb&diff=77664&oldid=77653
* Did You do that?
* What was the result?


[[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] asked me if I wouldn't mind making a probable fav icon for Wiki Index, and since I thought it was a good idea myself I ginned up a possible candidate for that and am leaving it for your inspection and hopeful approval.
I did, remember vaguely that he confirmed. Check out C2.com ''Portland Pattern Repository's Wiki'' ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


Hope this looks halfway decent: (sized around 16x12 px)
--[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 09:24, 29 April 2017 (PDT)


[[File:WI Favicon.png]]
== Problems remain, some serious ==
Hi Mark


[[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 14:55, 15 March 2013 (PDT)Arcane
We still have problems with our WikiIndex MediaWiki configuration, and I think they need some urgent attention.  I'll try to list as follows:<br>
A) database error - I can't remember the exact wording, but I am still getting blocked from saving an edit - with an on-screen error message regarding database something :-P<br>
B) autopatrolled - I am regularly getting my own edits appearing with the "mark this edit as patrolled"!  This simply should not occur.  Autopatrolled edits should happen automatically for every registered user who has made more than 10 edits.  I think I have passed that threshold <he says, tounge in cheek>.<br>
C) spam blacklist - I am occasionally getting blocked from saving edits by either the [[spam blacklist]], and / or one of the [[Abuse Filter]]s.  These occurrences have happened on existing articles, where the "blocked" phrase or word was already on said article.  A recent example is on [[Regiowikis]].  Look under the Romania sub-heading - it won't let me save the text which I had to comment out - because it contained "c u r e".  As an [[Sysop|Administrator]], I should automatically be allowed to bypass all blacklists and Abuse Filter triggers - but something must be quite wrong in our software config.<br>
And finally, for now;<br>
<s>D) page protection failure - I was given a heads up on my user talk page about some possible vandalism by Manor.  Upon investigation, I noticed that [[WikiIndex:Add a Wiki]] had some drivel editing by an [[IP editor]].  This is exceedingly alarming!  That specific page has been protected (since 2013, I think) so that ONLY sysops can edit it.  Something is seriously wrong if an IP editor can edit a supposedly protected page at will.</s>  Wrong example, I need to find the correct one.


I am pleased with this.  I think running it by [[Ray King]] would be good too. Best, [[MarkDilley]]
I noticed Koavf blocked said IP for 2 weeks, and reverted one of their vandal edits, but some still remain - so I will check all their edits.


== Account oddities ==
Can you please ask Ray to look into these issues asap please?  Best,  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 12:53, 26 May 2017 (PDT)


Hi Mark - there seems to be some oddities with accounts going on.  I tried to update [[Baidu Baike]], but got blocked by the [[Spam protection filter]].  I checked both our [[blacklist]]s – the [[MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist]] has a couple of entries for 'baidu.com' (but I left that unchanged)In the [[My spam blacklist]], I found one entry for 'baidu.com' – which I removed.  However, I still can't update the [[Baidu Baike]] article.  Something's really confusing me though – a new user – [[User:Zhuyifei1999]] a few hours earlier had sucessfully [[Special:Contributions/Zhuyifei1999|edited]] the same article (complete with the addition of [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Baidu_Baike&diff=next&oldid=165088 baidu.com url]).  So how is it that a new (probably not even autoconfirmed user) can over-ride the two spam blacklists, yet a [[sysop]] such as I can not?
: Thanks for reaching out Sean. I passed along infoBest, [[MarkDilley]]


Another thing which is making me curious - when I (regularly) check [[Special:WhosOnline]] – I see the list flooded with users who have been blocked (months ago).  These seem to be permanently 'logged-in' to WikiIndex despite being blocked.  [[Special:WhosOnline]] does not show anon or IP editors, so how is it these supposedly banned users are still able to log in?
==[[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki#Inactivity of administrators]]==
Hey, master of Visions, lover of communities plodding on, would You care to conduct a survey amongst the inactive admins about their reasons? --[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 03:12, 4 June 2017 (PDT)


Any clues or ideas for these two issuesBest, --[[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 09:05, 30 March 2013 (PDT)
: Good idea, I have no time to be involved in that. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
::Does it ''really'' matter if any admin is 'inactive'There are two specific methods that any person (even [[IP editor]]s) can use to check the activity of [[sysop]]s, that are universally enabled on all public MediaWiki sites.  Me thinks Manor is just snooping for the sake of snooping.  :-[[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 15:06, 7 December 2017 (PST)


Looks like we both were able to edit the page - so you figured out the work around?  As for whose online - seems that blocking only works on editing - blocked accounts can still be logged in - that is my guess and it seems automated.  Really impressive work around here Sean!!  I would ask you to consider a lighter touch sometimes with new folks edits.
== Thank You Notification ==
On Wikipedia there is this functionality that You can send thanks to editors for their edits.
Don't You think, this positive kind of reaction could be useful in enhancing wiki community? --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 10:42, 6 December 2017 (PST)


: Maybe there was a delay in a cache somewhere after I edited the [[My spam blacklist]] - because just after I sent you this orginal message, it worked for me.  It doesn't answer the issue of why a sysop was blocked by the spam blacklists, but an ordinary user can bypass it???
: Sure if you or others would like to do that, I think it is a great idea. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
:: ''sounds like the cache delay is the issue.  don't know why a sysop was blocked but a regular account can edit. maybe privileges are messed up in the backend somewhere? ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


: Online issues - I really think we need to also delete said accounts of spammersLike you say, blocking them just prevents them from editing, but they can still flood us by being onlineIf we both block them, and then also delete them, this will sort out this issue.  But only a crat can delete accountsWe really ought to install [[mw:Extension:CheckUser]] as a matter of urgency, so we can range-block IPs.
== Advertising on WikiIndex ==
:: ''How can I as a 'crat delete the account? I think [[mw:Extension:CheckUser]] on the [[Upgrade]] list for consideration. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]''
Hi Mark.  Just found a comment you made back in 2011 about [http://ross.typepad.com/blog/2011/07/brands-in-google-plus.html#comment-6a00d8341cd8a453ef014e89bf7ce4970d web advertising on GooglePlus], and your clear preference of having an 'off' button for the [[:Category:Advertising|ads]]This ties in with recent thoughts of my own, following my discovery that WikiIndex has a [[:Category:Google|Google AdSense]] account set up, but not currently enabledI noticed that our MediaWiki config allows us to have the ads displaying for Anon users and [[IP editor]]s, but can also turn off the ads once logged inThis is actually an identical modus operandi which many other wikis use - both independent and major [[wiki farm]]s such as [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]] and the former [[:Category:Wikkii|Wikkii]].


: Anyone in particular of where I've been heavy handed??? :-(  Best, --[[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 06:02, 31 March 2013 (PDT)
I actually see two positive benefits of enabling Anon ads; the first an obvious is a valuable income stream (which shouldn't be dismissed lightly), the second is that it will hopefully improve our wiki community by dangling a carrot and 'encouraging' IP editors to create an accountNaturally, we can edit our Anon site notice to the effect that logging in will remove the ads.
:: ''I notice something that I used to do.  Someone newly comes here and does some edits on the wiki and we are right behind them, changing, or redirecting or something.  When I talked to [[John Stanton]] after a month of starting [[WikiIndex]] he let me know that didn't feel good, like he wasn't doing something rightI learned that the most important thing here was people participating, less important was getting the page, or the edit right. Something to think about is all :-)  You are wonderful here and I am super excited about that!  Best, [[MarkDilley]]''


== Inactive and dead wikis ==
The only downside is that ads ''do'' annoy a small percentage of wiki users (but this is no different to life in general, be they ads on TV, or on newspaper websites, etc).  In reality, though, if we do happen to p!ss off a tiny minority who detest ads, they probably would not be a valuable community asset anyway!


What's the difference between them? --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 19:01, 30 March 2013 (PDT)
I am suggesting this, because, whilst the previous efforts of [[Brandon]] and [[Emufarmers]] are greatly appreciated, WikiIndex really does deserve much better backend support.  There are still many bugs outstanding since the last upgrade by Brandon back in 2015, and I am not sure when our database was last backed up!


: Hah! :-) you have found one of the many inconsistencies hereInactive is a template change that pulls most of of the categories - so the dead wiki isn't in lists.  dead is just easier for folks who don't know about the inactive template - which is most people :-)  Thoughts?  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
What are your thoughts, please? Can you run this past Ray?  Best regards as always[[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 07:12, 9 December 2017 (PST)


== Can you enable [[mw:InstantCommons|InstantCommons]]? ==
:We're pretty familiar with AdSense from our days at AboutUs.  I recall that you need quite a bit of traffic to generate any meaningful revenue.  The more prominent the ad(s), the more revenue and the more "junked up" the site looks.  I don't mind an experiment, like maybe an ad under the menu on the left, but not sure who can easily set this up.  Also, I don't mind simply trying to get better back end support in place.  Open to thoughts [[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small>


The logo of [[:Category:Wikimedia chapters|wikimedia chapters]] is at the [[commons:File:Wikimedia logo text RGB.svg|wikimedia commons]]. So it's better to enable InstantCommons so that we can use some images without uploading.--[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 05:49, 6 April 2013 (PDT)
::Do we have anywhere statistical data about the traffic in WikiIndex? I had asked for such quite some time ago:[[WikiIndex:SiteStats]]. No response by now.... [[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 11:13, 13 December 2017 (PST)


: The logo you linked to isn't the Chapters logo!  And I'm not at all sure we need the [[mw:InstantCommons]] extension here on WikiIndex -- probably less than 1% of our logos are Wikimedia logos.  InstantCommons is best used on Wikimedia Foundation wikis, or other non WMF wikis which link heavily to the free images held at Wikimedia Commons.  WikiIndex has no need or requirement to link to free images -- we actually have a requirement to often link to copyrighted images (albeit under a 'Fair Use' claim).  The two existing methods of image display here on WikiIndex seem to work perfectly satisfactorilly -- those being upload and wikilink, or hotlink.  Best.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 09:45, 6 April 2013 (PDT)
::: I don't, maybe someone else does? [[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small>


:: ''I am unsure of necessity - but I am intrigued by the idea. Please add to [[Upgrades]] and include an example of how it is used. Best, [[MarkDilley]]''
::::If You don't have such data, than nobody has. Since years, for the most part, this community is in strict denial of the acceptance of the unimportance of this wiki. Therefore anything that could lead to actual data that would allow comparisons with the other entities in the wikisphere which we are to cartograph are avoided. Even the one method which we used to measure other wikis with - the [[Special:PopularPages|wikiFactor]] - we have given up and [[User_talk:Koavf#wikiFactor|are not to renew it]]. [[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 11:52, 13 December 2017 (PST)
:::::If Ray doesn't have immediate access to that data, it may still exist. In fact, it very likely does with the host. If you think this wiki is unimportant, then I'm not sure why you bother to even say so. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 12:19, 13 December 2017 (PST)


== You're Welcome ==
==WikiIndex:Community portal/News==
It's a news page, not a chat room. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 13:26, 14 December 2017 (PST)


Thanks for the warm welcome, Mark.
:If [[WikiIndex:Community portal/News]] is for "news and chat" as You prefer to believe, than for what is [[WikiIndex talk:Community portal/News|WikiIndex '''talk''':Community portal/News]]? And why is it called News and not '''News & Chat and whatever crosses Marks mind'''? --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 14:32, 14 December 2017 (PST)
[[User:Johnny Pez|Johnny Pez]] ([[User talk:Johnny Pez|talk]]) 04:07, 10 April 2013 (PDT)


== WikiOhana ==
==[[Special:AbuseFilter/12|Abuse filter 12]] blocking sign-up for [[Special:Contributions/Jordan_D|Jordan D]]==
Hi Mark, hope you are well.


What's the point of [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Welcome&diff=prev&oldid=141451 this] edit? Why you change [[WikiIndex]] to [[WikiOhana]]? --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 17:31, 13 April 2013 (PDT)
I have been looking through the [[Special:AbuseLog|Abuse filter log]] and noticed a trigger alert of 25 August 2018 disallowing the creation of a [[username]] (and therefore account) by [[Special:Contributions/Jordan_D|Jordan D]] that contained the word 'Jordan'.  Knowing that is an acceptable christian name / given name and/or surname, I amended [[Special:AbuseFilter/12|Abuse filter 12]] to effectively allow 'Jordan' to create an account contaning said username.  Further down the abuse filter log, I also noticed that both Ray and yourself tried to manually create a user account for the same Jordan D on 15 July 2018, but without success.  Now that I have amended offending abuse filter, if either yourself or Ray still have contact details for Jordan D, maybe you (or Ray) can try again to create his account.


: Trying to remember the edit, I think that I changed it because [[WikiIndex]] is linked right above it. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
I shall copy the above to [[User talk:Ray King]], just in case Ray has more time or still has the contact details of Jordan D.  Miss your input here, hope you can find time to actively return.  Do I guess you are currently busy with the US Mid-Term elections?  All the best.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 07:10, 17 October 2018 (UTC)


== Sysops and crats discussion ==
Hello Sean!  Thank you so very much for figuring out that weirdness!  I will look around and see if I can let him know we figured out the problem  (using royal-we :-)  - yes the midterm elections are upon us and lots of people have been working very hard for something positive.  Breath held for three more days now!  Much appreciation Sean.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]


Are you able to give your opinion on this [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Category_talk:Active_administrators_of_this_wiki&diff=prev&oldid=166290 reply from me] in [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki#Massive Spam User Creation|this section]].  Thanks  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 03:09, 22 April 2013 (PDT)
So great you figured it out Sean!  I've e-mailed Jordan and hope he shows up :-) [[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small>


== Meaning of the keys ==
== Pages for deletion ==
Hello, can you please check [[:Category:Pages for deletion]]? The category includes my user page and talk page, which I would like to remove because they contain personal information. --[[User:Usa11|Usa11]] ([[User talk:Usa11|talk]]) 12:35, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


What does the keys mean? --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 04:17, 23 April 2013 (PDT)
:Thanks! --[[User:Usa11|Usa11]] ([[User talk:Usa11|talk]]) 18:58, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


== [[:Category:Archived]] ==
== Nathan Larson ==
Regarding [[Special:Diff/213417|this]], that is in fact the same Nathan Larson. &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times, times">[[User:MJL|<span style="color:black">MJL</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:MJL|‐'''Talk'''‐]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/MJL|☖]]</sup></span> 06:39, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


Are we wanting [[:Category:Archived]] to be an official new sub-category of [[:Category:Wiki Status]]?  If so, it needs including into the {{template|WikiStatus}}, and the relevant Semantic Data form will need updating too, and also probably as a sub-cat of [[Category:Dead]].  I actually think this is a good creation :PPPP
== Troll account ==
Hello, I did that because this is a troll account. I was already globally locked on Wikimedia and multiple wiki farms (Fandom, Miraheze and ShoutWiki).  Also, I am a sockpuppet of [[User:Usa11]], so please block both of us. Sorry. --[[User:Terilir|Terilir]] ([[User talk:Terilir|talk]]) 07:52, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


BTW, is your e-mail address the same as from a while back?  I need to have an off-wiki confidential chat :/  --[[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 11:04, 30 April 2013 (PDT)
:I confirm that I am a troll account and a sockpuppet of [[User:Terilir|Terilir]]. Please block me and delete the user pages of both my accounts. --[[User:Usa11|Usa11]] ([[User talk:Usa11|talk]]) 08:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

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Mark Dilley wins another victory in the fight against unnecessary complexity[edit]

I guess I was expecting dozens of people to each insert their pet peeve into the WikiIndex talk:Blocking and banning policy#draft blocking policy proposal, making it balloon up into a huge monster of complexity.

I am pleasantly surprised that you made it shorter. Also, it makes me happy that you deleted my negative language about "warning" and replaced it with a more positive alternative. --DavidCary 01:44, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

The value of discussion[edit]

Discussion is also work, unless not completed and hanging in the air for years. Even then it is work, only without result. Naturally it is easier to do little edits here and there and consider that as work with results rather than coming to a conclusion in a debate since the later requires more staying power.

I do not mind if anybody improves my statements on a talk page like better link format. But whatever I write there should not be changed in the wording and left with my signature. That would be forgery, that is not me any more. My statements are not articles to be edited. Manorainjan (talk) 20:27, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

When I count amongst my last 100 edits only 20% is discussion, the rest, 80% is "work" ;-) How is Your work-count? Manorainjan (talk) 21:08, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

I really am not getting into an argument about discussion and work.  :-) ~~ MarkDilley
You are not getting into it, You where the one who started it in the first place. Manorainjan (talk) 21:11, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Manorainjan, maybe it's a second language thing, but the tone of your words seems hostile. Might I suggest you take a rest from this subject? --MarvelZuvembie (talk) 21:16, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
I do not think it's about tone. But if You think, You can explain it. Manorainjan (talk) 21:26, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
I apologize, I didn't mean to say that discussion was not work, when in fact it is sometimes the hardest work. ~~ MarkDilley
Sometimes? ;-) For every work there is a competence to aquire that makes it easier if not possible at all. NVC and sorry for late reply, I was busy with "work" ;-) Manorainjan (talk) 23:21, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

How community works[edit]

"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." is one of seven quotes inscribed on the walls at the gravesite of John F. Kennedy at Arlington National Cemetery.

In that spirit it does not bring forward community feeling by howling that one is not part of it but by active participation and invitation for others to participate. Now, on the one hand You are acting 'nice' by welcoming new users and telling them to BeBold. But on several occasions where I acted semi-bold and discussed a change with a 'senior' user You where howling 'I am not involved in the conversation'. So, what I did was to shift this topic in front and invited the community to discuss it there. Now the question arises why didn't You do that in the first place, being more senior and obviously feeling the need for participation showing me HowTo CommunityCate? Now, I went further and informed other Users who obviously did not take note of this discussion. Rather than supporting the unfinished discussion You started to discourage my efforts by belittling the value of discussion calling then 'endless' which is an euphemism for useless and without result and contradicting discussion with 'work' as a symbol for productivity. Also You potentially started a separation of 'me' and what I do (endless discussion) and what You call 'we' and what actually You personally allegedly are doing. this is neither 'wok' AKA little edits here and there nor promoting community AKA discussion for finding solutions with which everybody can live nicely.

What You got to do now is, to find Your inner motivation what drove You to disturb constructive discussions and then redirect this motivation into a more productive strategy that supports the progress of a community. Manorainjan (talk) 13:34, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Ohai Mark[edit]

Sincerely, Johnny. Sweetie Belle (talk) 23:53, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Should we have alternative infoboxes besides Template:Wiki?[edit]

Discussion here. --MarvelZuvembie (talk) 19:36, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Improving the community[edit]

Discussion with results AKA work ;-) Any suggestions? Manorainjan (talk)

WikiIndex talk:Community talk#Request account - real name[edit]

Do You know the answer?Manorainjan (talk)

Regarding Your 'envisioning' the Community portal to be of any use for community or discussion, how shall this question WikiIndex talk:Opt out be treated, how would the community be 'notified' about it? Manorainjan (talk) 14:35, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

eMail[edit]

What happened to the fixing of email functionality for this Wiki?Manorainjan (talk) 12:51, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Upgrading to a clean install of the latest stable version was hoped to have resolved that issue. It hasn't. That is the place where we are at now. ~~ MarkDilley

You told me, that some user account do not have this problems. From there I concluded, that it is not a software problem. the Problem sits in the net. It got to do with mail servers and blacklists.Manorainjan (talk)

PS: When this update was done?

Last year was the latest upgrade. ~~ MarkDilley

 Done see WikiIndex:Community_portal Manorainjan (talk) 23:02, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Too late[edit]

https://WikiIndex.org/User_talk:W812949 Manorainjan (talk)

Wikipediaphobie?[edit]

Wikipedia has no page about us: List of wikis

And then the ivory tower inhabitants wonder why this Wiki does not grow a stronger user base within the said 8+ years... Who is the PR secretary of this one-horse town? Manorainjan (talk) 22:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

User:Robin Patterson[edit]

Do You know what role Robin Patterson played in the founding phase of WikiIndex? Manorainjan (talk) 23:27, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Robin helped with SwitchWiki and jumped over to WikiIndex for a bit. ~~ MarkDilley

Sounds like a founding member to me, if he was already engaged on the preceding project. Manorainjan (talk)

Great discussion :-)[edit]

... You said 2007 ...

Was there any result? Manorainjan (talk) 07:37, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Project Namespace[edit]

Can You give a definition of 'Project:' namespace?

They are typically the name of the wiki, also called meta pages. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 22:53, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

fb[edit]

Do You ever read your facebook mails? M.

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File:WikiIndexLogo2014.png

I have no idea what could be offending in a sunflower.Manorainjan (talk) 10:54, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Really? As Sean suggests, a sunflower with the brackets around it is copyrighted. Makes sense to me. ~~ MarkDilley
and looks like it is in the public domain, thanks YiFei.

blocked from doing work[edit]

I think the biggest thing for you to do Manorainjan, is to slow down here. Best, MarkDilley

What would be the advantage of being slow? the one who does mistakes should be more careful. Maybe he should 'slow' down, take a vacation. I'm fine. My mind is concentrated. I'm in good mood. What is wrong with that? M.
I think they basically mean, spend more time in the D part of the BRD cycle, and work to get consensus on your side. Leucosticte (talk) 20:14, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm the last one to avoid any discussion ;-) But Sean has blocked every possible aspect of my account regarding communication, even internal mail which is needed for this part: User is blocked Jump to: navigation, search Your username or IP address has been blocked. The block was made by Hoof Hearted. The reason given is no reason given. Start of block: 14:17, 19 September 2014 Expiry of block: 14:17, 26 September 2014 Intended blockee: Manorainjan You can contact Hoof Hearted or another administrator to discuss the block. You cannot use the 'email this user' feature unless a valid email address is specified in your account preferences and you have not been blocked from using it. Your current IP address is 178.11.160.142, and the block ID is #19490. Please include all above details in any queries you make. M.

The reason Sean gave was copyright violations, repeated disruption to WikiIndex, refusing to following community-agreed standards in the first block. ~~ MarkDilley

None of those accusations have substance. He totally failed to supply any proof of his biased claims. He did not even try. Manorainjan (talk)
The log summary helps make people realize there was more misbehavior after the unblock; otherwise, the reblock makes it look like there was a wheel war. Special:Logs/block. Leucosticte (talk) 22:20, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

There was and is no wheel war.

  1. Sean blocked my account
  2. Mark expressed that he did not agree with that.
  3. Sean ignored that
  4. YiFei, being more practical than talkative unblocked my account, expressing his opinion by this.
  5. Sean disrespected both and blocked my account again.
  6. Mark repeated his difference in opinion
  7. Sean kept his stubborn attitude and silence.

That's it. Now the thing hangs in the middle kind of. Sean puts his nose deep in 'work' trying his very, very best to ignore my IP edits or anybody's comments on this 'case' and passes his chances to 'range block' the IPs I'm using. And none of the sysops like to stir anybody up further. So, Your expectation of a wheel war will go unfulfilled. I'm not sorry about this.Manorainjan (talk)

How was that not a wheel war? Are you saying that the battle was only hypothetical and not real? Leucosticte (talk) 23:41, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

You seam to have serious difficulties to understand the motivations of people. First of all there was no intention of waging a war from any side, especially not amongst the sysops. Everybody expressed their opinion in their specific way, once. Only mark did the same thing twice. But he did no reverts, blocks or unblocks at all. So, nothing to see here, keep moving! Manorainjan (talk)

If there were a fight, who do you think would win? What odds would you place on the various combatants? Also, are you willing to provoke enough fights (n >= 30) that we will have a statistically significant sample with which to judge the accuracy of your predictions? Also, how much money can we bring into the WikiIndex coffers by taking the wiki private and charging the public for admission to see the fight? Leucosticte (talk) 00:04, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

If there would be a fight, nobody would win, everybody would lose and everybody except You knows that. And You don't have the power to start a war Birdy. Manorainjan (talk)

That's only true if the last man standing is mortally wounded before he finishes everyone else off. Leucosticte (talk) 00:10, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey Birdy, if You can't sleep, do something useful: Table of results M.

User:Manorainjan[edit]

Mark, there are numerous reasons why the above user should be blocked, some of them extremely serious, and I must insist that the block should stand. I will detail my reasons on Monday, when I have more time and less interuptions. I would appreciate that you support your fellow sysops, rather than constantly over-rulling them. Respectfully yours, Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 21:00, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Special:RequestAccount[edit]

We got to change this page in order to supply necessary information right there.

  • I would also like to include in WikiIndex:Real names that using a RN is appreciated but optional.
  • What about that field in request form? Is it optional or compulsory?
  • The form does not explicitly tell which field needs to be filled!! There is lack of clarity. That does not support the generation of trust. I cannot continue to write help text if I do not know the conditions of account creation.
  • I also suggest to trim this page quite a lot. For example "Other information" should be omitted.
  • This page is the very entry point for wiki community. This and the following procedures are absolutely vital for it's growth.
  • I also may be lacking some technical terms here. Request, creation, validation, 'approval'?
  • The page treats email verification and account approval as the same thing with the same word.
  • The main page navigation speaks of Request and the Help page of create account. There should not be a difference.

Manorainjan (talk) 21:35, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Assume good faith[edit]

Check my recent rant about Your favourite dogma ;-) And how I got there. (He/she/it/them was online today) Manorainjan (talk) 23:10, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Grey4Column[edit]

WikiIndex:Community portal/News[edit]

I thought this is newest news on top? --Manorainjan (talk) 16:24, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

WikiIndex:Teamwork information[edit]

This is a proposal for a new wiki community related feature.

I hope You like the idea and find a way to integrate this table on Your User Page.

Online Accessibility E-mail Commitment Exeptions UTC Skills Duty Rank Propensities
yes no time until 4-11-2014 - bureaucrat

It's first try. I'm happy if You help to improve it. Details filled in lines other than mine are of course only for demonstration. I'm curious to see how You might fill it. --Manorainjan (talk) 00:27, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

No comments on this from You? Manorainjan (talk)

I am extremely busy for this month with the political season in the states. The comments I have are not easily shortened. Will have to get to it later. Best, MarkDilley

I see. It is on occasion of Your remark that You are swamped till 4.11.14 that I started developing this idea. Manorainjan (talk)

You do have some time! I have seen it. Do You prefer to waste it in micromanagement? Manorainjan (talk) 10:50, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Is the political season now over? Manorainjan (talk) 21:41, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

It is nearly half a year now, since I asked. How much time do You intend to devote to the community You are "envisioning" to be the leader of? Manorainjan (talk) 07:00, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

No time at all? Manorainjan 07:20, 12 August 2015 (PDT)

meatball[edit]

What happened to MeatballWiki? It is said to be locked. But there is no reason either here or on the wiki itself. Manorainjan (talk) 00:49, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Real Names[edit]

You will be interested in that WikiIndex talk:Real names#How real is the support for real names on this_Wiki.3F and we will be curious to get further input from You, Mr. Leader ;-) Manorainjan (talk) 19:11, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

What serves the community?[edit]

Do You think, it serves the community if You let people invent structures for apparently no reason and not teach them how to interact with community, how to introduce new intended concepts and how to get feedback from the peers? How will this serve qualitative or quantitative growth of community? This is not a rhetoric question. I expect an explanation of "What in the world where You thinking?" Manorainjan (talk) 10:49, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

It took You two years to have no answer at all. --Manorainjan 10:09, 16 June 2016 (PDT)

Request for ServerMove concerns[edit]

Hi MarkDilley. Since you are one of the most active contributors here I wanted to be sure to draw your attention to the upcoming ServerMove and solicit your help in making the transition a positive rather than negative experience. Please take a moment to visit ServerMove and curate the list of concerns. Thanks! -- BrandonCsSanders (talk) 22:39, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Create.Wiki‎[edit]

You knew it is a farm. Why didn't You use the farm-template? Manorainjan (talk) 11:49, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

It's not that easy. Try this: Template:Wiki farmManorainjan (talk) 15:35, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Mark, I patiently waited for You to moan. So no is the time: You are the "elder". It is You who should teach me how to set up a wiki farm entry, not the other way around. http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/000000/00000/1000/900/1915/1915.strip.gif

  • And it is not me who should need to counter-check Your edits.
  • The leader of a wiki is to set a good example. Moaning and leading exclude each other. Manorainjan (talk) 17:46, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Manorainjan, as the 'elder' here I gave clear direction on how the interaction on the wiki would be better for you. I said, instead of coming to my page and telling me I did something wrong, just fix it. That is how I teach you how to interact on this wiki. ~~ MarkDilley

Leadership and learning are indispensable to each other.
John F. Kennedy

Vacations are for the tiered ones. I'm not tiered. And You will not pay my vacations anyway. So, do not ask me, do not interfere in my schedule.

But if You got tiered, I prepared something nice for You, something I "envisioned" some time ago:

Lead follow or get out of the way.jpg

Or do some real work! WikiIndex talk:Leader Manorainjan (talk) 23:54, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Please comment[edit]

WikiIndex talk:Community portal#We need to have a community discussion about Nathania.2FNathan Larson.2FUser:Leucosticte. Honestly, this has really been weighing on me and I am extremely uncomfortable with this content. I know we've spoken about it before but I finally took some rogue admin action about it and deleted some of the links to content about CP. I can't handle it. We shouldn't be linking to that material here or allowing someone to overrun this site with niche vanity wikis. Koavf (talk) 06:08, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Mark, I agree that your input on this would be useful. Some clarity is needed on whether this project is open to listing every wiki, or whether there's going to be some restriction on scope. No clear standard has been set as to what content isn't allowed, other than obvious linkspam to non-wiki websites, and I think that previously the door has been wide open to covering the whole wikisphere, and that that is how the situation should remain. The vast majority of WikiIndex deals with niche wikis, and that includes a handful of vanity wikis, aka blikis. Leucosticte (talk) 18:02, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

What is a community response to this? Free speech or not having CP here... and not a rogue admin action, no, simply editing. ~~ MarkDilley

I don't understand what you're saying. Can you rephrase that? Thanks. Leucosticte (talk) 19:16, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Test category[edit]

Category:FirstAdditional Is this serving a function now? Do you want to delete it? Koavf (talk) 04:31, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

It is part of the template/Boilerplate. Manorainjan (talk) 11:23, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

The template? There are lots of templates. Which one? What function is this serving? Koavf (talk) 20:05, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

That Template Manorainjan (talk) 20:39, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

BackupData not available for the community[edit]

Hi Mark,

at WikiIndex:Consensus You wrote that ray "provides" the Backup data. How and where does he do this? Where can members of this "community" get hands on it?Manorainjan (talk) 11:48, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

From Your one month of silence I conclude, that the backup is not available for the community. Also I conclude, that You Yourself are not available for Work on this wiki. Manorainjan (talk) 12:08, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Usually it's necessary to redact sensitive data anyway, or export it as XML files or something. You can create your own backup by setting up a script to export everything. I've done it before. It is kind of a PITA, though. There was also mw:User:Leucosticte/Doing the Newgon stuff, instructions for exporting stuff from NewgonWiki. Leucosticte (talk) 10:09, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Your silly comment about WikiWikiWeb[edit]

You wrote "Your efforts have closed the original WikiWikiWeb (they have moved it to the new Smallest Federated Wiki) and I request you stop editing the page going forward. MarkDilley"

  1. My efforts can not close WikiWikiWeb. Ward is the only one who can close it.
  2. They have not moved it.
  3. And one can not move it to Smallest Federated Wiki because that is an engine and not a wiki.
  4. there is no reason whatsoever why I should not edit a page which contains mistakes.

You have never been so wrong before. Manorainjan (talk) 21:25, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Weigh in on WikiIndex:Proposal: domain name change#Poll?[edit]

I wanted to be sure to draw your attention to a potential decision to change the domain of this wiki. I hope you'll weigh in with your opinion. Thanks! BrandonCsSanders (talk) 20:09, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

WikiIndex:Community portal/News[edit]

Hey Mark, what was that?

Was the news in this that You woke up and finally noticed something?

I moved Your "news" to the proper place: WikiIndex talk:ServerMove#Google AdSense

DeWikiIndex[edit]

Koaf said, You know something about: WikiIndex talk:ServerMove#ServerMove is Finished Manorainjan (talk) 10:30, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Spam[edit]

Please explain It seems like we have IP editing but we also have a procedure for requesting an account: that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Can you explain this? Koavf (talk) 13:08, 21 May 2015 (PDT)

We always hat both, IP-editing and accounts. This is not new and just like on Wikipedia. What is there to explain? We prefer accounts, but don't force it. We prefer real names but don't force it. We perfer pictures in the profiles but don't force it. Manorainjan 13:36, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
Account requests Stop changing the titles of my posts. It doesn't make sense to have an account request process when you can edit without an account anyway. Koavf (talk) 13:48, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
There is quite a difference between something that You don't grasp and something that does not make sense. If You say it does not make sense than it means it is objectively wrong. But if You say it does not make sense to You, it means You simply don't get it. And that is here the case. The situation as is, the possibility of IP editing & accounts at the same time, that makes a lot of sense. Normally I do not use argument by authority or so, but in this case it makes sense: IP editing & accounts is the situation on the whole of Wikipedia. Now You say, You know better than all of them ;-) Say they got no success. Manorainjan 13:55, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
Stop please Don't change the titles of my posts anymore. Even if you don't like them. In English, you don't capitalize every noun as in German. The only pronoun which is capitalized is "I" or any one that starts a sentence. I have no clue what your response is saying: it's not intelligible to me. You will have to rephrase it if you want me to understand or you can just let Mark respond on his own talk page to a question directed at him in the first place. Thanks anyway. Koavf (talk) 14:03, 21 May 2015 (PDT)

Koavf, it seems odd to me as well. Why do we require approval for an account in order to edit if anonymous can just edit anyway? Why not just allow anyone to create an account and edit if we are going to let ips edit? One of the major forms of spam on mediawiki installations follows the pattern 1. create account, 2. upload picture, 3. edit page with picture and lots of spam, 4. go away forever. The ConfirmAccount extension puts a large dent into that particular spam strategy. A second majore form of spam comes from anonymous editing from ips. We require ip edits to pass a simple captcha to cut down on spam from them. Accounts don't have to fill in the captcha. Does that explanation make sense? BrandonCsSanders (talk) 22:21, 21 May 2015 (PDT)

In order to save this edit I had to answer the question: "What is the name of this wiki?" -- Brandon as 76.27.247.138 22:22, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
Spam filtering Nice. So the spam that we have recently received was from a human that copy and pasted it onto the wiki rather than a bot just drive-by spamming? Koavf (talk) 22:50, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
Probably automated by a human who answered the captcha once for their script. The captcha is really really simple and never changes. -- BrandonCsSanders (talk) 23:05, 21 May 2015 (PDT)

So, as it was to be expected, Mark did not make any useful input to this question. I wonder why You Koavf started this question at this deserted space wich has a long history of unanswered questions? Why not at Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki?

You can stop now It's only been a few hours--get over it. I posted here because Mark knows something about the backend of how the site works. If I just wanted to get an admin's attention, I could have done it myself as I am an admin here. You can stop posting here now unless you have something useful to say. Koavf (talk) 06:07, 22 May 2015 (PDT)

┌─────────────────────────────────┘
See WikiIndex:Community portal/News#01 February 2014 for the related discussion. In short, many spamming technologies change over time. Once upon a time spam was crazy, but my filter was powerful enough to filter most of them out. Then spammers decided to stop. They spammed with usernames instead, which again got filtered. Then spammers decided to simply flood accounts with random names. This, however, could not be prevented. That made some admins stressed, so Confirm Account was installed.

However, things change. Spammers no longer try for accounts. They simply started spamming without account instead. I would develop some filters against this, but I see no easy algorithm to identify such edits. --YiFei | talk 05:50, 24 May 2015 (PDT)

Relevant part of Discussion copied here: WikiIndex talk:Spam control policy#2015 discussion

Sysop rights[edit]

Hello, I am an active person here. Can I ask for sysop rights? --Gabriele (talk) 07:48, 24 May 2015 (PDT)

Hi Gabriele, just checking, are you requesting deletion of your account page? If so, I am confused by this request. Let me know. Best, MarkDilley

I have removed my page because it contained personal information. I have created it again. --Gabriele (talk) 00:48, 1 June 2015 (PDT)

Why not public?[edit]

Hey Mark, if You don't want to take responsibility WikiIndex_talk:Community_portal#Adminship.2C_how_to_promote then why do You discuss such matters concerning us all so privately instead of on the community portal or at least on the admin board? Is this Your 'vision' of community building? Manorainjan 09:23, 8 June 2015 (PDT)

When You like something, facts become irrelevant?[edit]

WhatIsWiki You should know better. --Manorainjan 08:37, 5 August 2015 (PDT)

Do You want to do something useful?[edit]

Category:Pages for deletion --Manorainjan 09:58, 6 August 2015 (PDT)

User talk:Technische-Analyse.EU[edit]

Hey Mr. Comunity-building, this user which You created seems to be unresponsive to whatever one writes to him. And he loves to delete historical data. --Manorainjan 02:02, 8 January 2016 (PST)

Since You did not understand that quotation and asked for an explanation: You may know it in its imprecise form: "Those who do not remember their history are doomed to repeat it." It is about our mission statement, co-created by You, that we do record wiki history as well. Why are we doing so? I don't know why You would like to, but in the light of said quotation we do record wiki history in order to help wiki people, those people who not only consume wiki but create and drive wiki, not be doomed to repeat the(ir) mistakes of the past. Therefore, wiki history is content for wiki people. And please do not edit my talk page contributions on other talk pages than Yours! That user has sufficiently censored our contributions on his talk page already! Manorainjan 01:18, 11 January 2016 (PST)

Movement[edit]

What means: "Cross MediaWiki direction to remove people from the User namespace)"? I thought the user namespace is for users?Manorainjan 03:21, 2 February 2016 (PST)

Profiles Since we also have pages that discuss individuals, your userpage is in the main namespace and your usertalk is in the user talk. Koavf (talk) 06:46, 2 February 2016 (PST)
At the time we decided what Koavf mentioned above, we decided to keep pseudonyms in the user namespace as to encourage real names. Best, MarkDilley
AFAIK "pages that discuss individuals" individuals here means WikiIndex:Peoples pages or Category:Wiki people. Manorainjan 08:24, 2 February 2016 (PST)
At what time? Manorainjan 08:22, 2 February 2016 (PST)
Found it here: WikiIndex:Namespace conventions. ~~ MarkDilley
I see. So, new users with real names immediately go to main space without them even requesting it? How Do You konw they are using real names? I think it should be made policy to A: ask new users if they names are real and B ask them if they are willing to appear in main namespace. Users obviously using pseudos should be asked if the like to change to real name or if they like to get additional real name page in name space as well. Manorainjan 16:07, 2 February 2016 (PST)

Hans Christian Isak Mørch Holm[edit]

What are You smoking? Manorainjan 11:57, 30 May 2016 (PDT)

Please finish the work You have started[edit]

Or do You want to show is, that it is below You to create complete wiki entries? Manorainjan 10:22, 16 June 2016 (PDT)

Revision history of "BME Encyclopedia" shows, You where not only the one who created the doublet of this wiki page, also You choose the wrong entry as base for the merger. The older entries history should be in the merged article. Manorainjan 10:54, 18 August 2016 (PDT)

Manorainjan, You are so very tedious. Time for wiki vacation again. ~~ MarkDilley

The one who is tired calls others tedious as a result of his psychological projection. That is the one who needs a vacation. I'm not tired, I'm fine. I'm autonomously controlling the dispatching of my energy. Therefore I never need a vacation. Manorainjan 02:01, 19 August 2016 (PDT)

Exactly. ~~ MarkDilley

this Category:Hobby is another clean up of work which You caused and did not finish. Manorainjan 03:25, 27 August 2016 (PDT)

Cleaning of TOS[edit]

What You can expect if You provide email during registration, has to be part of the registration page! --Manorainjan 11:12, 23 October 2016 (PDT)

What for are talk pages?[edit]

https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=User:Databoy&diff=next&oldid=193957 What where You thinking? If anyone would like to talk to Databoy, You directed him to his user page. It was to be expected, that Databoy does not want any talk on his user page. Whom do You know, who prefers talk on his user page? So I'm asking You: What where You thinking? Where is the logic in Your action? Who would benefit from that redirect and how? Be precise in Your answer!! --Manorainjan 12:11, 12 December 2016 (PST)

Your disrespect for Mark, one of the fairest admins on this site, is absolutely astonishing. Databoy (talk) 18:13, 12 December 2016 (PST)
So You are astonished, that somebody can be more disrespectful than You in Your eyes? Besides that, what is Your mission on WikiIndex? What do You intend to contribute besides conflict that causes the admins waste of time about one single entry? --Manorainjan 01:35, 13 December 2016 (PST)
There was no conflict until you appeared and started putting your nose into other people's business. And if you're so concerned about the admins wasting their time, perhaps you shouldn't complain to them. Databoy (talk) 04:17, 13 December 2016 (PST)

Category:WikiIndex account[edit]

You got it wrong, as usual. --Manorainjan 01:52, 25 January 2017 (PST)

You are a lovely person to work with, as usual. ~~ MarkDilley

Thanks ;-) --Manorainjan 07:49, 25 January 2017 (PST)

So, You prefer to do things the wrong way around, as usual? --Manorainjan 07:55, 25 January 2017 (PST)

Hey, Mark[edit]

Since you're a leader of this wiki, I figured I might as well point you to a little vote I've started regarding our wiki people policies. --This is MY book, and I'm gonna READ IT!!! 10:18, 25 January 2017 (PST)

Is this the section you are referring to? WikiIndex talk:Policies and Guidelines#Wiki people policy ~~ MarkDilley

Moving page[edit]

I'm actually pretty annoyed that you moved my old username -> my current username without asking me first. I have outlined my reasons in a mail.

This is something you should have asked me about beforehand and in my opinion, this should not be the default whenever someone changes their name or username. They may have privacy issues or other reasons and may not want this. If I can make a suggestion, you really should ask the user before you do it.

I'd like you to please delete that redirect, which I guess means delete old and new userpages (since old has been moved to new and the history is there for anyone to find). To be clear, I don't want any association with that name at all. Think about it for a second & you should understand why.

I shouldn't have to tell you. I refuse to be defined by my mistakes. That name does not exist anymore. It needs to vanish like a bad dream.

Thanks in advance for understanding. Alexander (talk) 14:06, 14 February 2017 (PST)

Don't forget this user and talk page too, as you moved old to new. Thanks. Alexander (talk) 14:18, 14 February 2017 (PST)

HTTP 500 Internal Server Error[edit]

Hello Mark, hope you are well. :)

I am getting blocked from editing certain pages here - returning the above HTTP 500 error. Do you have any ideas what is happening?

Best regards Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 14:28, 27 April 2017 (PDT)

Hi Sean, well thank you, hope you are well too. Are you getting the error still? ~~ MarkDilley
I'm not too good - awaiting knee surgery at the moment :-(
Errors are still bothersome - I've discovered three specific errors, and raised them with Koavf here. The HTTP 500 error seems to be happening when trying to edit large-ish articles. Template:Wiki status is one which refuses to save even the smallest error and gives the HTTP 500. I also tried to archive some of the older messages from Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki and save them to Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki/Archive 2014-15, but it refuses with the HTTP 500. I've searched on MediaWiki.org, and it indicates some kind of throttling or size limit on the setup of the software. :-/
I'm also getting very random white-page 'database errors'. Even on the smallest articles it occurs, and cache clearing doesn't seem to help. Finally, Special:Upload refuses to work - I can't upload any new logos. Hopefully, you can get Ray or Brandon to resolve the issues. Oh - Happy May Day to you! Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 07:16, 1 May 2017 (PDT)
Hopefully fixed now, errant backup script was eating disk space Raymond King | talk 21:23, 2 May 2017 (PDT)

Cheking with Ward[edit]

In 2010 You said "As far as I understand, PortlandPatternRepository is the first wiki and was nicknamed the WikiWikiWeb." and You are going to check with ward: http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Talk:WikiWikiWeb&diff=77664&oldid=77653

  • Did You do that?
  • What was the result?

I did, remember vaguely that he confirmed. Check out C2.com Portland Pattern Repository's Wiki ~~ MarkDilley

--Manorainjan 09:24, 29 April 2017 (PDT)

Problems remain, some serious[edit]

Hi Mark

We still have problems with our WikiIndex MediaWiki configuration, and I think they need some urgent attention. I'll try to list as follows:
A) database error - I can't remember the exact wording, but I am still getting blocked from saving an edit - with an on-screen error message regarding database something :-P
B) autopatrolled - I am regularly getting my own edits appearing with the "mark this edit as patrolled"! This simply should not occur. Autopatrolled edits should happen automatically for every registered user who has made more than 10 edits. I think I have passed that threshold <he says, tounge in cheek>.
C) spam blacklist - I am occasionally getting blocked from saving edits by either the spam blacklist, and / or one of the Abuse Filters. These occurrences have happened on existing articles, where the "blocked" phrase or word was already on said article. A recent example is on Regiowikis. Look under the Romania sub-heading - it won't let me save the text which I had to comment out - because it contained "c u r e". As an Administrator, I should automatically be allowed to bypass all blacklists and Abuse Filter triggers - but something must be quite wrong in our software config.
And finally, for now;
D) page protection failure - I was given a heads up on my user talk page about some possible vandalism by Manor. Upon investigation, I noticed that WikiIndex:Add a Wiki had some drivel editing by an IP editor. This is exceedingly alarming! That specific page has been protected (since 2013, I think) so that ONLY sysops can edit it. Something is seriously wrong if an IP editor can edit a supposedly protected page at will. Wrong example, I need to find the correct one.

I noticed Koavf blocked said IP for 2 weeks, and reverted one of their vandal edits, but some still remain - so I will check all their edits.

Can you please ask Ray to look into these issues asap please? Best, Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 12:53, 26 May 2017 (PDT)

Thanks for reaching out Sean. I passed along info. Best, MarkDilley

Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki#Inactivity of administrators[edit]

Hey, master of Visions, lover of communities plodding on, would You care to conduct a survey amongst the inactive admins about their reasons? --Manorainjan 03:12, 4 June 2017 (PDT)

Good idea, I have no time to be involved in that. ~~ MarkDilley
Does it really matter if any admin is 'inactive'? There are two specific methods that any person (even IP editors) can use to check the activity of sysops, that are universally enabled on all public MediaWiki sites. Me thinks Manor is just snooping for the sake of snooping.  :-/ Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 15:06, 7 December 2017 (PST)

Thank You Notification[edit]

On Wikipedia there is this functionality that You can send thanks to editors for their edits. Don't You think, this positive kind of reaction could be useful in enhancing wiki community? --Manorainjan 10:42, 6 December 2017 (PST)

Sure if you or others would like to do that, I think it is a great idea. ~~ MarkDilley

Advertising on WikiIndex[edit]

Hi Mark. Just found a comment you made back in 2011 about web advertising on GooglePlus, and your clear preference of having an 'off' button for the ads. This ties in with recent thoughts of my own, following my discovery that WikiIndex has a Google AdSense account set up, but not currently enabled. I noticed that our MediaWiki config allows us to have the ads displaying for Anon users and IP editors, but can also turn off the ads once logged in. This is actually an identical modus operandi which many other wikis use - both independent and major wiki farms such as Wikia and the former Wikkii.

I actually see two positive benefits of enabling Anon ads; the first an obvious is a valuable income stream (which shouldn't be dismissed lightly), the second is that it will hopefully improve our wiki community by dangling a carrot and 'encouraging' IP editors to create an account. Naturally, we can edit our Anon site notice to the effect that logging in will remove the ads.

The only downside is that ads do annoy a small percentage of wiki users (but this is no different to life in general, be they ads on TV, or on newspaper websites, etc). In reality, though, if we do happen to p!ss off a tiny minority who detest ads, they probably would not be a valuable community asset anyway!

I am suggesting this, because, whilst the previous efforts of Brandon and Emufarmers are greatly appreciated, WikiIndex really does deserve much better backend support. There are still many bugs outstanding since the last upgrade by Brandon back in 2015, and I am not sure when our database was last backed up!

What are your thoughts, please? Can you run this past Ray? Best regards as always. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 07:12, 9 December 2017 (PST)

We're pretty familiar with AdSense from our days at AboutUs. I recall that you need quite a bit of traffic to generate any meaningful revenue. The more prominent the ad(s), the more revenue and the more "junked up" the site looks. I don't mind an experiment, like maybe an ad under the menu on the left, but not sure who can easily set this up. Also, I don't mind simply trying to get better back end support in place. Open to thoughts Raymond King | talk
Do we have anywhere statistical data about the traffic in WikiIndex? I had asked for such quite some time ago:WikiIndex:SiteStats. No response by now.... Manorainjan 11:13, 13 December 2017 (PST)
I don't, maybe someone else does? Raymond King | talk
If You don't have such data, than nobody has. Since years, for the most part, this community is in strict denial of the acceptance of the unimportance of this wiki. Therefore anything that could lead to actual data that would allow comparisons with the other entities in the wikisphere which we are to cartograph are avoided. Even the one method which we used to measure other wikis with - the wikiFactor - we have given up and are not to renew it. Manorainjan 11:52, 13 December 2017 (PST)
If Ray doesn't have immediate access to that data, it may still exist. In fact, it very likely does with the host. If you think this wiki is unimportant, then I'm not sure why you bother to even say so. Koavf (talk) 12:19, 13 December 2017 (PST)

WikiIndex:Community portal/News[edit]

It's a news page, not a chat room. --Manorainjan 13:26, 14 December 2017 (PST)

If WikiIndex:Community portal/News is for "news and chat" as You prefer to believe, than for what is WikiIndex talk:Community portal/News? And why is it called News and not News & Chat and whatever crosses Marks mind? --Manorainjan 14:32, 14 December 2017 (PST)

Abuse filter 12 blocking sign-up for Jordan D[edit]

Hi Mark, hope you are well.

I have been looking through the Abuse filter log and noticed a trigger alert of 25 August 2018 disallowing the creation of a username (and therefore account) by Jordan D that contained the word 'Jordan'. Knowing that is an acceptable christian name / given name and/or surname, I amended Abuse filter 12 to effectively allow 'Jordan' to create an account contaning said username. Further down the abuse filter log, I also noticed that both Ray and yourself tried to manually create a user account for the same Jordan D on 15 July 2018, but without success. Now that I have amended offending abuse filter, if either yourself or Ray still have contact details for Jordan D, maybe you (or Ray) can try again to create his account.

I shall copy the above to User talk:Ray King, just in case Ray has more time or still has the contact details of Jordan D. Miss your input here, hope you can find time to actively return. Do I guess you are currently busy with the US Mid-Term elections? All the best. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 07:10, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello Sean! Thank you so very much for figuring out that weirdness! I will look around and see if I can let him know we figured out the problem (using royal-we :-) - yes the midterm elections are upon us and lots of people have been working very hard for something positive. Breath held for three more days now! Much appreciation Sean. Best, MarkDilley

So great you figured it out Sean! I've e-mailed Jordan and hope he shows up :-) Raymond King | talk

Pages for deletion[edit]

Hello, can you please check Category:Pages for deletion? The category includes my user page and talk page, which I would like to remove because they contain personal information. --Usa11 (talk) 12:35, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! --Usa11 (talk) 18:58, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Nathan Larson[edit]

Regarding this, that is in fact the same Nathan Larson. –MJLTalk 06:39, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Troll account[edit]

Hello, I did that because this is a troll account. I was already globally locked on Wikimedia and multiple wiki farms (Fandom, Miraheze and ShoutWiki). Also, I am a sockpuppet of User:Usa11, so please block both of us. Sorry. --Terilir (talk) 07:52, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

I confirm that I am a troll account and a sockpuppet of Terilir. Please block me and delete the user pages of both my accounts. --Usa11 (talk) 08:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)