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==I heart this answer :-)==
==Pages for deletion==
[http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Talk%3AWikiFactor&diff=162025&oldid=162022 here].  [[MarkDilley]]
Hi, please review [[:Category:Pages for deletion|Category:Pages for deletion]] and delete those pages. Several pages have accumulated during the absence of the administrators. Thanks. --[[User:Usa11|Usa11]] ([[User talk:Usa11|talk]]) 16:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks - I try my best to keep things rational and balanced on an even keel. Sorry I've not been very active here recently - I've got a lot of personal issues to deal with :'(  --[[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 10:58, 26 January 2013 (PST)


==PynchonWiki==
:Good day, thanks for welcoming me. I created a new user page so that's okay, thanks anyway for the proposal. For the wikis that I have marked as to be deleted, they are all unreachable through archive sites such as archive.org, so the actual existence of those wikis is questioned. --[[User:Usa11|Usa11]] ([[User talk:Usa11|talk]]) 12:07, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
[[PynchonWiki]] has been restored (not by me). I don't agree with your decision to delete it or that we can't include meta-sites within this index. If these were several unrelated, independently-operated sites with the same topic, I could see how a category would suffice, but in this case, the were several related sites all managed by the same entity. It's not quite the same as Wikia, but that is an example of when a broader site has a listing, even though it's pages may not be editable. Yes, I should get off my lazy butt and create entries for the individual wikis, but even when I do that I think we still should include the meta-site in the index. With respect, [[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] ([[User talk:MarvelZuvembie|talk]]) 16:13, 8 January 2013 (PST)
:Hi Marvel - you are so right. Yes, this is a portal page for a group of wikis, and we have well established consensus to include these.  Maybe I was suffering from 'deletionitis' - but thankfully, Mark spotted my error and corrected it.  And your butt isn't lazy - they all have their own entries - I had just moved them all to a neater page name without leaving a redirect. Best regards, -- [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 17:20, 26 January 2013 (PST)


==What does "YourSoftwareLicense" mean?==
==Account==
I was thinking it would be best to add descriptors to most of the red link categories so people have a better idea what they refer to, but I have no idea what the category "YourSoftwareLicense" refers to, was wondering if you do. [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 07:28, 13 February 2013 (PST)Arcane
I requested an account. Could you please accept it? [[Special:Contributions/172.26.12.237|172.26.12.237]] 18:33, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
:Hello [[Special:Contributions/172.26.12.237|172.26.12.237]].  Can you please advise me the [[username]] you used for requesting a new account?  Thanks. --[[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 19:12, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
::That would be "{{U|MJL}}" :) [[Special:Contributions/172.26.12.237|172.26.12.237]] 22:51, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
:::Now approved.  Welcome to WikiIndex


==Re:MediaWiki, logos, etc.==
==Please delete==
On the "stub" to "good" article threshold, I believe that's more a determination of the wiki administrators from wiki to wiki than the software. My recent wiki on Shoutwiki features articles that Wikipedia would consider stubs, but they are meant to be short, as they give a simple overview of things useful for MediaWiki beginners.
Hey HH!  Could you please delete Category:Pedosexuality?


As for my logo creation skills, I'm fairly decent at creating simple text logos, but I'm not a very good artist. However, we could probably make a really small version of the current wiki logo our favicon, which should be easy to create in any picture editor.
Thanks! &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times, times">[[User:MJL|<span style="color:black">MJL</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:MJL|‐'''Talk'''‐]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/MJL|☖]]</sup></span> 23:00, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
:{{Done}}  --[[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 09:38, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


[[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 09:36, 15 March 2013 (PDT)Arcane
==incels dot wiki vs incelwiki.com==
incels dot wiki was legitimately stolen from the creators and main writers of the material itself, (this is a moderated wiki with only like 3-4 particularly active users ever) and since it was stolen, at least one writer (Wizard32) has put on very sketchy URLs on at least one page of incels dot wiki, which they haven't removed for months.  They host it on their server, which also hosts a site of theirs which we've found is under heavy investigation by law enforcement. They own sanctionedsuicide and we shouldn't be advertising anything on their servers imho.


:Hi again - I'll answer it here, so as not to break up the conversation!
*https://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2021/06/07/site-blocked-for-helping-youngsters-to-kill-themselves_da6fbf6d-8b7f-414d-ab43-d32026479077.html. "Site blocked for helping youngsters to kill themselves"
*"Rome prosecutors on Monday blocked an Internet site that hosted a community created to help young people to kill themselves following a probe into the recent suicides of two Italian teenagers. The community on the Sanctioned Suicide site had 17,000 members from all over the world."
*https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tasneemnashrulla/incels-suicide-forum-woman-killed-herself
*"Incels Are Running An Online Suicide Forum That Was Blamed For A Young Woman’s Death"  "Marquis [aka 'Master/Randy'] told BuzzFeed News on Wednesday that he and his cofounder are both incels and founded sites such as Incels.co, Incels Wiki, Looksmax.me, the Manosphere, and Blackpill.online."


:Stub vs good . . . hmmm.  Is there a rough ballpark default figure?  Reason I ask is that for [[:Category:MoinMoin|MoinMoin]] - I've been counting all pages in their listings, but (for MediaWiki) if we knew the stub threshold was - say 500 bytes, then we could make the necessary adjustments for the MoinMoin listings.  I also feel your pain on the MediaWiki stub vs good - if you look at [[Ross-Tech Wiki]] (a wiki which I often use), their own stats show 1182 'good' pages, and their [http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:ShortPages&limit=5000 short pages] (when the url is manually manipulated to show all pages on the wiki) lists 1267 pages - and many of those 'short pages' are actually valid and complete pages!  (Actually, it seems that only 85 are classed as 'short' - 1267 minus 1182 - and that threshold seems to be around 315 bytes). <ramblings out loud>
'''This is not a group I would trust as a source on even their own sites''' Following reports of minors on their sanctionedsuicide.com (now sanctioned-suicide.org) dying, Epik dropped all their sites, followed by what seems to be Tucows or Njalla.  Years ago it was Afilias that dropped all their sites.


:Favicon . . . I was thinking of something like just the black 'W' and the red '<font color=red>I</font>' ('W<font color=red>I</font>'), as scaled-down full-size logos can often look dreadful. The Wikipedia 'W' and the Google 'g' seem to work well. If you can do something along those lines, we'll then need to persuade Mark to include it.<wink>
*https://fixthe26.com/sanctioned-suicide-dot-com-is-teaching-children-how-to-end-their-own-lives/
*"Sanctioned Suicide dot Com Is Teaching CHILDREN How To End Their Own Lives"
*"The SanctionedSuicide.com web site is currently providing forum-based coaching, advice, and detailed instructions about how to commit suicide … TO CHILDREN. The site operators and supporters claim that access to the site is denied to anyone under the age of 18. However, a recent survey of the membership clearly shows that approximately 5-8 percent of the membership is under the age of 18. Even a cursory examination of the site clearly demonstrates that the site operators and members are well aware that there are minors using the site. They continue to advise and coach these minors on how to end their own lives."
*https://fixthe26.com/suicide-prevention-town-hall-parents-say-website-coached-kids-to-take-their-own-lives/
*https://news4sanantonio.com/news/trouble-shooters/that-was-the-gun-parents-say-website-coached-kids-to-take-their-own-lives?fbclid=IwAR0Hx6Xa3SI5PI1ZlIV621ZXpFGGzCipsL6C6hGsVTjLqy8QO93rVTH9JSI "Suicide Prevention Town Hall: Parents say website coached kids to take their own lives" "SAN ANTONIO – Parents whose children were already struggling with depression believe one website pushed them over the edge and actually coached them to take their own lives. The Trouble Shooters are taking you inside the battle to get the website shut down. We don’t take sharing this story lightly, but parents do need to know what their children have access to online."
*Suicide Prevention Town Hall: Parents say website coached kids to take their own lives https://news4sanantonio.com/news/trouble-shooters/that-was-the-gun-parents-say-website-coached-kids-to-take-their-own-lives?fbclid=IwAR0Hx6Xa3SI5PI1ZlIV621ZXpFGGzCipsL6C6hGsVTjLqy8QO93rVTH9JSI


:BTW, if you need to mail me off-wiki, TeraS has my e-mail address (dunno if she still has it) - though I don't always check it! :(  Best, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 10:28, 15 March 2013 (PDT)
"In the United States, anyone under the age of 18 is legally a minor.  There is no ambiguity here. These are children, the site operators, and members know it, yet continue to discuss the act of suicide in great detail as if they are above or beyond both legal or moral reach." --owner of fixthe26th
:Hmm, I could see about making a text fav icon, shouldn't be hard to create. As for your email, thanks, I'll ask TeraS about it. Should I upload my proposed fav icon here or send you a copy via email?
:On the stub issue, I would say that 500 bytes actually is a fair average for a "stub" article (in terms of size).
:[[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 13:46, 15 March 2013 (PDT)Arcane


::Upload the favicon here (and copy it to [[MarkDilley]]).  I'll add a comment on the [[:Category:MoinMoin|MoinMoin]] talk page for the stub threshold.  Thanks for your work here. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 13:56, 15 March 2013 (PDT)
I don't think we should be advertising any sites on their server, especially considering what seem to be sketchy URLs on .wiki rn that was added by a writer after they stole it.  The owners of those sites call themselves 'master' and 'sergeantincel', they own incels.is (formerly incels.co/incels.me)/sanctionedsuicide etc, and have been dropped by multiple registrars.
::Thanks Sean, your work is appreciated too :) Anyway, I left a copy of the proposed favicon on Mark's talk page, hope it looks good.
::[[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 14:57, 15 March 2013 (PDT)Arcane


Look forward to a Favicon!! We had one once :-) - Please add it to the [[upgrade]] page - where we can have a discussion about it if neededAlso, if we need to change the stub size, please add that to the [[update]] page to, or if it is something I can do, let me knowBest, [[MarkDilley]]
Which is why I moved the article I wrote to .com.  We have nothing to do with incels.is and their sites/wikis.  They just let us use a mediawiki installation for a year until they hijacked it. They lorded it over us the entire time and always tried to push sociopathy on the wikiWe created their "general disclaimer" ourselves, and also individually released under CC on our talk pages so they couldn't have them claim we weren't who we were after the new domain.  Since we released under CC individually on talk pages, we aren't pursuing legal options against .wiki but we do have discord records of them claiming that we owned it. (Discord allows exports of private conservations, and retains deleted messages)  But .wiki is mostly inactive compared to .com, and is dramatically smaller as well.  It's our wiki stuck in 2018 plus garbage they added after they banned everyone.com also has 5 languages. 14:53, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


==[[Sturmkrieg]]==
'''Sources:'''
The name I was using was suggested by one of your administrators.  If you want to change it, than please do not change it to something biased.  Your changes have all resulted in biased titles that give the impression that it was their idea when it wasn't.  If you want to keep pages about them, that's fine, but please don't make titles that make the original wiki seem like some sort of crap side thing.  [[User:Sturmkrieger|Sturmkrieger]] ([[User talk:Sturmkrieger|talk]]) 09:29, 19 March 2013 (PDT)
*https://web.archive.org/web/20200518180809/https:/twitter.com/IncelsCo/status/1262271865093083140
:Erm . . . you are correct - it was a 'suggestion', and not a statement of fact.  Also, please be aware, the administrator who suggested that name to you is just one of a team of admins (and who is also quite new to WikiIndex) - and whilst we are all part of said 'team', we all sometimes have slightly differing ideas.  Furthermore, any 'administrator' action can be overturned by the site owners (and or beaurocrats).
*https://archive.fo/bK1Tv
:The crucial issue here though, is that we have clearly defined article naming conventions - [[WikiIndex:Naming Conventions]]. Perhaps you'd be kind enough to read it, instead of accusing me of bias!  The name I changed it to reflects the actual domain of your wiki. Please remember, your wiki is very new, whereas the other wiki has been established for a long time. Your wiki is sparse, devoid of content (apart from bitching about the other wiki), lacks page views (see [[wikiFactor]]), and lacks any graphical content or customisation - whereas the other wiki has tons of content, has established page views, has amazing graphics and customisation - and generally looks a very professional wiki.  Now, whilst I understand [[User:Arcane|Arcane's]] comment about 'first come, first dibs on article name' - I don't actually agree.  As it stands, we have two wikis on the same subject matter - one new and devoid of content, and the other long established and very popular.  If, in time, your own wiki grows and matures to a similar level as the other wiki - we can then rename the other wiki, and create a disambiguation.
*http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11311 ("William at the Incel Wiki, who is the admin of it, is Willwill0415 (T-C-L) on Wikipedia and Neiltyson1fan on RationalWiki.") --> William moved to .com over a year ago  [[User:William Lupinacci|William Lupinacci]] ([[User talk:William Lupinacci|talk]]) 14:55, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
:Please, be advised to direct your efforts into building up your own wiki, and then reap the rewards from your efforts. You will win no friends here on WikiIndex (and maybe not on your own wiki) if you continue with your antagonistic efforts.  Try to work ''with'' the other wiki, rather than swimming against the tide.  If you can't do that, then just agree to disagree, draw a line in the sand, and move on - respecting each others point of view.  I wish you well, best regards  --[[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 11:28, 19 March 2013 (PDT)
::I suggested the name of Sturmkrieger's wiki (as in, the site the user administrates) be changed to reflect his stated intentions for his wiki. To be exact, the name I saw for his wiki (on the header bar of my browser and his homepage) was "Sturmkrieg". My suggested name would have helped you dispel any confusion anyone trying to visit the site "Sturmkrieg" on the internet might have when trying to find the wiki of the name (since two wikis now share the same name). I did not intend to imply that this user wiki should be renamed here on WikiIndex to "The True Sturmkrieger Wiki", that was something I should have clarified and I apologize for the confusion. I plan to stand by and defer to yours and the other senior administrators judgment on this matter (especially since I'm still inexperienced, as this incident has proven), and shall direct this user's further inquires to be dealt with by someone with more experience. As for naming comment, I share the same sentiments and believe the first wiki should not be confused with the second until the second reaches a similar level of maturity regarding site content (then a rename/disambiguation could be discussed), and if I caused any confusion or made an erroneous judgment, I apologize for my indiscretion and/or carelessness.
[[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 14:33, 19 March 2013 (PDT)Arcane


==I'd like the Pitchforker 5000 please?==
If you still want to keep incels.wiki on, can we have our own page? We also run a huge wiki farm and can add our others, most of which have nothing to do with incels  [[User:William Lupinacci|William Lupinacci]] ([[User talk:William Lupinacci|talk]]) 15:06, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Thanks Sean... It took a while, but at least it's taken care of. Wish there was a better way of blocking, but that's how it is I suppose... Sorry that I might not say a lot, but I check in regularly as always... Huggles [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] ([[User talk:TeraS|talk]]) 17:28, 30 March 2013 (PDT)


You both are awesome!! Thanks for the text Sean - Tera - wow - what a flood.  This latest attack at minimum has started the [[Upgrade]] plan discussion with [[Ray]].  Best, [[MarkDilley]]


==BlueSpice - a MediaWiki extension?==
Thanks :) [[User:William Lupinacci|William Lupinacci]] ([[User talk:William Lupinacci|talk]]) 15:07, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Hey [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]], you asked if BlueSpice is a MediaWiki extension. I left an explanation at the [[Talk:BlueForge|BlueForge discussion]] page about BlueSpice being a distribution.  Greetings --[[User:Hallowelt|Hallowelt]] ([[User talk:Hallowelt|talk]]) 04:13, 4 April 2013 (PDT)


==NewWiki==
==Semantics on pages==
I think we should use [[Template:NewWiki boilerplate]] or [[Form:Wiki]] in [[Community Portal]] but not [[Template:Wiki]]. It doesn't work.--[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 04:49, 13 April 2013 (PDT)
Thanks for all your great work: I'm glad to see you taking ownership around here again. Of course, I'm here to complain but on pages like [[Federated wiki (concept)]], you've used semantic elements that don't match the content, like a semi-colon to start a definition list but all you really want is bold. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 03:31, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
:In what way does [[Template:Wiki]] not work?  And I'm not sure either [[Template:NewWiki boilerplate]] or [[Form:Wiki]] will make any difference, because they both call on Template:Wiki to render the infobox.  Interested to hear your thoughts though :)  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 05:41, 13 April 2013 (PDT)
:I'm confused! [[Federated wiki (concept)]] (the article) does not have any semantic data, because it does not use use the {{Template|Wiki}} infobox templateSemantic MediaWiki will only work with semantic data from Semantic Forms, and they can only work from correctly coded templates such as infoboxesOr am I missing something else? [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 22:47, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
::In [[Community Portal]], go to "Hosting a Wiki? – Add it to WikiIndex!", type anything into the first input, such as "New", and press "create a new Wiki article page", and it displays most of the code of [[Template:Wiki]]. That makes the target page just a copy of the template, not the boilerplate. So how's it working? --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 06:03, 13 April 2013 (PDT)
::Yeah, pardon me: I think my earlier post was too vague. Starting a line with a semi-colon will create a [https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/dl description or definition list]. These liss should be followed by one or more items that start with a colon. E.g. below:
:::Ahhh - yes, I now see the problem. If you look at our sidebar on the left, click on 'Add a Wiki', it opens up [[WikiIndex:Add a Wiki]] - and when you use that page to create a new wiki page, it works OK.  I think the problem is unique to the [[WikiIndex:Community portal]] page, because on that, I found the problem you described.  I tried to change the preload from [[Template:Wiki]] to [[Form:Wiki]] - but it still failed to fix the problemI'll have another look at that later to try and fix it.  Thanks for highlighting this problem.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 09:20, 13 April 2013 (PDT)
OK - I think I fixed it - let me know if you notice any more faults :)  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 11:18, 13 April 2013 (PDT)
:Also, I think adding parameter "button text=create a new Wiki article page" looks better. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 06:07, 14 April 2013 (PDT)
::I'm not sure that can be done when using Semantic Forms - I can't find any way to change button text labels. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 06:37, 14 April 2013 (PDT)
:::See [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex:Sandbox&diff=next&oldid=166232 this edit]. Info from [[mw:Extension:Semantic Forms/Linking to forms]]. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 06:40, 14 April 2013 (PDT)
::::Thanks. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 06:58, 14 April 2013 (PDT)


==New person==
;Hoof Hearted
Why you edit [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Zhuyifei1999&curid=40910&diff=166043&oldid=166029 this] but also edit [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Template:New_Person&curid=19673&diff=166046&oldid=166045 this]. You know, when we create a [[:Category:Wiki People|wiki people]] page, we use [[Template:New Person]]. Also, those edits makes no difference. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 05:53, 13 April 2013 (PDT)
:A user at WikiIndex
:The edit I did to your user name page was because you had it listed at the start of the [[:Category:Wiki People]] - when it should have been alphabetically sorted.  The change to the template should ensure that the template is listed at the start of the category, rather than being 'lost' amongst the alphabetical sorting (all templates are sorted to display at the top of their relevant categories here on WikiIndex).  I have subsequently noticed an error in the template, which I've hopefully corrected.  And I'm not sure I agree that all users here use that template to create their own name-spaces - I certainly didn't :p ... Best regards :)  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 09:00, 13 April 2013 (PDT)
:An all-around kewl d00d
::Thanks for telling me. Also, I mean some of us ( including me ), use it. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 17:21, 13 April 2013 (PDT)
:My friend


==Indirect substitution==
::Etc. If you want to make something bold, use three apostrophes: this will employ the [https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/b b or bring to attention element]. If you start a definition list but don't follow it with definitions, that's poor HTML semantics and is confusing to things like search engines indexing pages or screen readers attempting to vocalize the content of a page, etc. Does that make sense? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:05, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
<s>[[Template:Subst]] doesn't work. See this sandbox [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex%3ASandbox&diff=166341&oldid=166234 edit]. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 21:58, 15 April 2013 (PDT)</s>
:::Ah, okay, I understand your point now.  Thanks for clarifying, and sorry for my delay in replying – I was sleeping on my thoughts!  Howeverrrrr, I am not sure I 100% agree – though I am open to further reasoning.  My understanding, and please forgive me if I'm wrong, I thought that [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] is based on [[wikitext]], rather than [[:Category:HTML|HTML]]?  I accept that MediaWiki still relies on a small number of HTML elements (along with [[:Category:Cascading Style Sheets|CSS]], {{Wp|Unicode}}, and [[:Category:JavaScript|JavaScript]]), particularly where there is no direct corresponding function within wikitext; a few examples being: <tt><nowiki><bdi></nowiki></tt>, <tt><nowiki><pre></nowiki></tt>, <tt><nowiki><sub></nowiki></tt>, and <tt><nowiki><sup></nowiki></tt>.  But there are many more elements that are considered highly verboten within wikitext (especially such as MediaWiki), examples <tt><nowiki><dl>, <dt>, and <dd></nowiki></tt> (for descriptions, which you eloquently show above with use of the colon and semi-colon), <tt><nowiki><ol></nowiki></tt> (for numbered lists, wikitext uses the hash), <tt><nowiki><h1> to <h6></nowiki></tt> (for levels of section headings, wikitext uses the equals sign - and I would imagine any editor on Wikipedia who used HTML to create section heading to be robustly chastised!), <tt><nowiki><p></nowiki></tt> (for creating paragraphs, when a simple carriage return suffices for wikitext).


==[[WikiIndex:Naming Conventions]]==
:::As for robots, indexers, and accessibility assisted technologies, I was under the impression that they all worked on the <u>rendered</u> page, rather than its constructed elements?  Again, please correct me if I am wrong.
<s>The red <nowiki>[[Free links]]</nowiki> should be <nowiki>[[Free link]]s</nowiki>. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 22:10, 15 April 2013 (PDT)</s>


==Go to dead wikis?==
:::Finally, and I guess this goes back to the original reason for your comment to me, search engine optimisation and performance. Again, my own thinking here; because articles here on WikiIndex are generally (a) very small, when compared to Wikipedia pages, and (b) follow a nigh-on identical format and structure (for articles on wiki, wiki engines, wiki farms, and wiki people) – do we actually need section headings (apart from long articles, or when section headings are highly desirable to separate specific areas within the prose)?  And a follow-on from that, if yes, is there any quantifiable value in a search engine indexing say the section(s) on references and / or external links? Surely, surely, surely, for those who search and then find WikiIndex in search providers, we want search results to KEEP folks here in WikiIndex, rather than display searches for external links / sources which will take folks AWAY from WikiIndex?
Some pages tell the user to go to some dead wikis and edit them. For example, [[Wikiindex:About]] tells me to go to [[Yellowikis]] and create a listing. But that's not possible since it is dead. So I think we should comment them out. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 01:40, 20 April 2013 (PDT)
:The original Yellowikis.org may be dead, but its replacement at Yellowikis.Wikia.com is alive and kicking (shame it's on Wikia though!)  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 02:10, 20 April 2013 (PDT)
::Sorry for not noticing it. Also, I made the page more readable. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 02:40, 20 April 2013 (PDT)
:::No worries. But the [[Yellowikis]] page doesn't now look right - the prose is mainly applicable to the orginal .org variant, but being as Wikia took over Yellowikis, it sort of also applies to both variants too!!  It probably shouldn't be divided by section headings, but instead have all the prose referring to both .... [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 07:47, 20 April 2013 (PDT)


Also, we can't build the [[WikiOhana]], as said on the [[Welcome]] page. It is a dead wiki too. See [[Talk:MarkDilley#WikiOhana]] for why to change the link to WikiOhana. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 07:00, 20 April 2013 (PDT)
:::I greatly appreciate your learned advice and expertise. WikiIndex is a lonely ship to steer alone! Best regards always, [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 14:54, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
:I've previously tried arguing my case on the [[WikiOhana]] issue on the front page - and lost :( Can you think of another wiki to go there instead? [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 07:47, 20 April 2013 (PDT)
::::Thanks for the thoughtful response. To be clear, my main motivation is proper semantics for accessibility's sake and then things like machine indexing and search engine optimization, etc. Whatever we insert as MediaWiki's code (such as <nowiki>'''bold'''</nowiki> text) gets output as HTML because that's what everything on the Web is, so misusing tags—either by directly inputting the HTML or by using some wikitext that is then converted into HTML—is bad. I don't know that we need headings on pages that are short but I'll defer to you if you prefer one style over another. I do think that making a good outline structure is good for things like generating outlines with OPML or having anchors in a page that are linkable but it's not something that I think is urgent. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 15:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
::How about [[WikiApiary]]? It's alive, but if we change, we are advertising for other wikis, not us. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 03:48, 23 April 2013 (PDT)
:::Not sure on [[WikiApiary]] . . . I'd prefer a more 'community' based wiki.  I've been thinking about the [[WikiTourBus]] - how I might integrate that into the main page. Any thoughts on that?  Best  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 03:55, 23 April 2013 (PDT)
::::How about ''Visitors, check out our [[TourBusStop|WikiTourBus]], and you can [[WikiIndex:Add a Wiki|add a wiki]] to our site if you like to.'' (Need some rewording) --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 04:25, 23 April 2013 (PDT)


==[[Template:Tag]]==
==Editing others' comments==
I think [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Template%3ATag&diff=166923&oldid=144486 this] version of [[Template:Tag]] is better. It works like an ordinary link, but the newer edit don't. <s>(See the code of this post.)</s> We can also fix space the problem by adding the nowiki tag. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 06:08, 20 April 2013 (PDT)
I'm not sure that I understand [https://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Zhuyifei1999&diff=0&oldid=205760 this spate] of edits. Why are you adding links into others' posts on a user talk page? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 03:27, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
:Does the <tt><nowiki>&nbsp</nowiki></tt> work better at the begining of the code?  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 08:02, 20 April 2013 (PDT)
:I think that it is very helpful to add [[wikilink]]s, as they provide valuable [[backlink]]s, and breadcrumbs to any previous discussions on said subjects. I personally always use backlinks to find established [[consensus]], or other trains of thought when trying to improve all articles here on WikiIndex, including policy.
:: Yes, but you see, there is two spaces before the word ''it'' on my first post. You can also see [[User:Zhuyifei1999/Sandbox|my sandbox]]. And from it you can see nowiki tag works better than &nbsp ; (It neither add a space or delete a space before the link). --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 19:58, 20 April 2013 (PDT)
:::OK, go ahead and make the change.  And don't forget to fill in the edit summary if you can please for all of your edits :)  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 23:39, 20 April 2013 (PDT)
::::Thanks, and I wll try to remember to fill it.--[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 00:37, 21 April 2013 (PDT)
:::::OK, I think I [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User%3AZhuyifei1999%2FSandbox&diff=167155&oldid=167154 fixed it], and thanks again for unlocking it. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 00:46, 21 April 2013 (PDT)
::::::That looks better - thanks for your great work here :-)  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 00:48, 21 April 2013 (PDT)


==thanks==
:I accept that it is forbidden to edit other users talk pages on Wikipedia - but we are NOT Wikipedia, and we have no need to be bound by their policies!  Best regards[[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 22:43, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
for pointer to admin discussion page stuff I missed last monthBest, [[MarkDilley]]


==Meaning of the keys==
==Blocked?==
What does the keys mean? --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 03:54, 23 April 2013 (PDT)
My IP address is blocked, yet I've never even been here before. I'm unable to email an admin, so how am I supposed to make an account and list my wiki? Korra Baskerville [[Special:Contributions/172.26.22.41|172.26.22.41]] 22:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
:You need to ask [[MarkDilley]] for the answer to that question! :/  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 03:57, 23 April 2013 (PDT)


==thanks!==
:Hello, and thanks for reaching out. Your current IP address is not blocked, and has been used for editing here on WikiIndex. However, a similar IP address was blocked for adding spam.  Do you have a static IP address, or maybe you are using a public Wi-Fi access? If you can provide more detail, I will help you in any way that I can. Best regards. [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 22:32, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
for building out [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Logo&diff=0&oldid=167447 the page] - issue for me is that I have the sidebar bug in which I just see the default sidebar.... ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
:No probs - I used the search!!!! :p. And I'm still getting differing sidebars throughout the day - maybe the sidebar bug is dependent on weather there is an odd number of days in the month ...... [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 09:21, 23 April 2013 (PDT)


==Recent changes of Wiki Engines==
::I have no idea how that post was able to get through. I tried to edit it and was blocked. Right now, I'm using a VPN to edit the [[Mystery Dungeon Franchise Wiki]] page and have managed to put in an account request under the email KorraRoyal@gmail.com. I'm using my own home Wi-Fi based out of Noth-Colorado in the United States. - Korra II Allison Baskerville [[Special:Contributions/172.26.22.41|172.26.22.41]] 22:42, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
I think the recent changes of Wiki Engines should be about the Wiki Engines, not the wiki itself. For example, [[:Category:MediaWiki]] as https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes, not https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges. Also, there shouldn't be any wikinodes in Wiki Engines. That's for wikis. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 06:54, 24 April 2013 (PDT)
: On your first point, I agree - I think anything such as release notes, change log, or development roadmap would be ideal - so feel free to change any that you find. On your second point - I'm not so sure, WikiNodes are just a way of community building, and many of the smaller wiki engines (which are usually a fork of another engine) generally have some degree of co-operation - so there isn't really a right or wrong answer to that point.
If the WikiEngine ''eats its own dogfood'' then it should be RecentChanges - else a change log, release notes, whatever would be great!  As for a WikiNode for a WikiEngine, only if it is eating its own dogfood :-) WikiNode is one of the ideas that came from [[Lion Kimbro]], he has since moved on from the idea - I love it, so keep it going with a domain name pointed to the archived idea of a wiki, http://WikiNode.info  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


: I'm enjoying your energy and enthusiasm here - it's greatly appreciated :-))))  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 07:16, 24 April 2013 (PDT) - ditto! ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
:::Ok, forgive my lax behaviour for not checking RecentChanges more regularly. I just approved your account now - [[User:Korra II A Baskerville]].
:: How about About URLs which tells the characteristics of the engine? For [[:Category:MediaWiki]], it's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 03:36, 25 April 2013 (PDT)


==Infobox linking==
:::I am slightly confused why three different accounts have been requested from the same IP address, but with three different e-mail addresses, and different forwarding IP addresses.  I will look into more detail when I get some time.  Best.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 22:53, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Why not making the logos of infoboxes link to the target page just like [[Template:Wiki]]? See one of your edit [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Template:Wiki_Engine&curid=3842&diff=167571&oldid=167532 here]. It's more convenient for us to go to the wiki with the linking. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 03:28, 25 April 2013 (PDT)


==Spam==
==CWCki==
<s>How's [[User:RosalieSa]] not spamming? The language of his website is not English, but they speak English in Australia, so that's an ad instead of his own website. It should be deleted. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 07:44, 25 April 2013 (PDT)</s>
I wonder if you could review whether the [[CWCki]] can remain on this wiki or whether a substantial rewrite is needed? The wiki is linked with a website that has been accused of stalking and vulnerable users, and I have to tell you that the subject of the wiki is one of the victims.


==[[:Category:Wikimedia Foundation]] sorting==
Further info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kiwi_Farms
<s>The old edits of yours for main wikis such as [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Category:Wikipedia&diff=prev&oldid=87938 this] are fine. It makes the main wikis ahead of the language ones. But why you also do [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Category%3AWikipedia&diff=167661&oldid=167606 this] edit? It makes them mixed. --[[Zhuyifei1999]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  04:06, 26 April 2013 (PDT)</s>


==A way to "rename" category pages==
[[Special:Contributions/172.26.22.41|172.26.22.41]] 00:47, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
I saw you added a note to [[WikiIndex:Naming Conventions‎]] about how category pages can't be renamed, which is true.
:Hello.  As a general rule, here on WikiIndex, we do not delete articles on wiki which ''some'' people might find offensive or upsetting.  I have spent considerable time reading CWCki, along with its Wikipedia article and associated WP talk page.


However, since we have the Replace Text extension, there is a workaround which preserves the edit history.
:This is my own personal comments.  First and foremost, I do not like CWCki - I do not like the way they obsessively detail every minute detail of the life of the person who is the subject of said wiki.  However, I must stress in the strongest possible way - my own personal dislike is absolutely not grounds to delete its entry here on WikiIndex.  Saying that, I agree that our own article needs a considerable re-write.  Unfortunately, I am just not familiar enough with the content of the wiki overall, so it would not be appropriate for me to submit my own thoughts.


# Create category B (if it doesn't already exist) for all the pages you want to move from category A
:As to the Wikipedia article, I find the tone of its coverage very alarming. Strong viewpoints are endemic in that WP article, and there is much bias, and very little neutrality.  Discussions on its talk page continuously highlight those issues, but without any real action on balancing and toning down the WP article!
# Go to the Special:ReplaceText page and the "Original text" box should have something like <nowiki>[[Category:A]] and the "Replacement text" box should have [[Category:B]]</nowiki>
# Go down to the optional filters to the "Replace only in category:" box, add in the name of Category A.
# Replace text in page contents should be checked
# Click continue, verify the changes, then execute the replace text script.


This will automatically make the changes you want, tying them to the user who executed the script, and will leave an entry in the edit history of each page, preserving that for CC BY SA. [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 05:49, 30 April 2013 (PDT)Arcane
:In light of my comments, please feel free to edit our entry here on WikiIndex.  Of course, please ensure that your own additons are both factual and neutral.  Kind regards. [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 02:06, 27 August 2021 (UTC)


:Is the sticking issue here, loosing the edit history of the category page itself?  If that is the case, can't we just drop that in the edit history, keep the category page and redirect it to the new category? ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
==Thumbnails for new images are broken for some reason, Mediawiki can't fnd /usr/bin/convert==
So new images aren't working to add to the wiki pages


::I'm aware of the [[Special:ReplaceText]] - and more importantly, its limitations.  I haven't yet tried the above suggestion from [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] - but I think that suggestion misses the crucial point.  That method is surely just for preserving edit histories of <u>articles</u> within said categories - and not the text within actual categories.  That method just batch-moves article pages from one category to another.
It says "Error creating thumbnail: /bin/bash: /usr/bin/convert: No such file or directory Error code: 127" You probaby need to install imagemagick or configure the imagemagick location in LocalSettings.php
::Mark is correct, the issue is the edit history of the text on the actual category page.  And yes, in theory, we ''can'' keep the ''wrong'' category and turn it into a redirect (which will of course preserve edit history).  However, redirecting categories doesn't work properly - look at this specific example:  [[:Category:Wiki Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike]] currently contains 10 sub-cats and 1,317 article pages; but if you look at its [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Category:Wiki_Creative_Commons_Attribution-Share_Alike&hidetrans=1&hidelinks=1 'incoming' redirects] - there are a further 24 article pages in the [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Category:Wiki_CC-BY-SA&redirect=no old abbreviated] category Category:Wiki CC-BY-SA - and those 24 articles don't/won't show up in the correct Category:Wiki Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike. We can manage this specific situation due to the structured data warning flag (yellow caution triangle) in the wiki infobox. But for non-infobox categories, ie; those created by using either the tag template or the traditional category name at the foot of the edit box - there is no warning, because those are not part of the structured data - hence why using redirects on categories is a bad idea.
::In summary, I don't think that deleting a wrong category and creating a new correctly named category will be a problem where the category has no text (maybe on freshly created categories).  But for categories such as say [[:Category:Wikia]] which has a huge amount of text, and a huge edit history - that would be a major problem if we were to delete Category:Wikia and say copy and paste the text to a new cat such as [[:Category:Wikia articles]].  Hence why I think we should take more care on the specific issue of creating categories.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 01:50, 1 May 2013 (PDT)


==[[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]]==
Other people's prior image upload attempts also resulted in failure as shown here https://wikiindex.org/special:filelist
Would you mind add another <nowiki><br></nowiki> after all the code of [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]]? It looks really weird in the skins [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Welcome&useskin=modern modern] and [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Welcome&useskin=vector vector]. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  21:27, 30 April 2013 (PDT)
:Is it now better?  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 00:14, 1 May 2013 (PDT)
::Yeah, thanks. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  01:28, 1 May 2013 (PDT)


==TourBusStop template==
Thanks :) [[User:William Lupinacci|William Lupinacci]] ([[User talk:William Lupinacci|talk]]) 15:52, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
Hi Sean, I was trying to tighten up the template and I mixed it up, can you [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Template%3AWikiTourBus&diff=168311&oldid=168310 step through my edits] to see what I was trying to do? Best, [[MarkDilley]]
:Hello William, and thanks for your message.  Sadly, WikiIndex has a few long-standing bugs which never seem to get fixed.  I am just a 'crat and regular editor here, and I don't have server accessThe owner of WikiIndex is [[Raymond King]], and he also uses {{U|Rathbone}} to make edits; but sadly, he is not very active.  Maybe you can email Ray King and remind him of ongoing problems?  It might add more timber to the fire if another person contact him.  Keep me in the loop please William. Best regards, --[[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 00:15, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
: I did try reviewing your edits, but couldn't work out what you were trying to achieve :/// [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 20:38, 1 May 2013 (PDT)


: instead of
==Needing a couple of renames and logo uploads==
WikiTourBus
Hi, an IP editor here (who doesn't have file/move rights). Could you please assess [[:Category:Wiki site requiring logo upload‎|logo upload]] and [[:Category:Articles to be renamed|article rename]] categories? Particularly for these, which I edited recently, if not all (thanks!): [[Isvwiki]], [[Croatian Wiktionary|Wječnika]]. -[[Special:Contributions/172.26.6.144|172.26.6.144]] 02:03, 21 October 2021 (UTC)


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==Boobpedia==
Semiprotection of [[Boobpedia]] may be useful. This topic invites SPAM. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 12:02, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
:Yeah, I see.  Now protected from [[IP editor]]s.  Thanks for letting me know.  Best.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 16:29, 25 October 2021 (UTC)


visit stop
==[[:Category:Turkey|Turkey]] on the main page==
I don't think it's nice to shove it as the first thing people read when they visit the wiki, especially in that demeaning voice. It's good to know about Turkey's censorship (among many other problems), but at least water it down and don't make it political, because there are much worse things than having a wiki blocked. Imagine it saying "Thank goodness not all countries are like United States!!!! Cherish your school/market not getting sh0t down every other day!" -[[Special:Contributions/172.26.1.10|172.26.1.10]] 15:43, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
::As utterly tragic and heartbreaking the many school shootings in the US are - unless there is a wiki site which deals with the said issue, it has no place here on WikiIndex.  Kind regards  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 14:54, 2 July 2022 (UTC)


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:I have to agree to that. This wiki should not get politicized. It shall not become the pressure relief valve for people who got no other place to express their political frustrations. Compared to this outdated remark about Türkiye (which is the proper name of that nation) the censorship for everything Russian in EU is massive and hypocritical as can be. We should not get involved into this mess here at all. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 06:01, 30 June 2022 (UTC)


: I was thinking of this instead
::{{U|Manorainjan}}, firstly, you have been warned multiple times by other editors, admins and crats on this site about about changing section headings.  '''This is your last warning'''.  Stop - or you will be permanently blocked!  Since its inception, WikiIndex has always used the anglophile names for all countries.  This has been the consensus since 2006; no other WikiIndex editor or reader has had issue with this.  If you do not agree with the consensus and rules here on WikiIndex, go find another wiki which you do like!
::Regarding the comment of Turkey on the main page, WikiIndex is a wiki site about all wikis.  That includes ALL aspects of wikis - including access and censorship.  If a country - not once - but TWICE blocks total access within its entire country - breaking a fundamental European Union law on Human Rights - it is perfectly acceptable to highlight such issues!
::Regarding your comment on the Russia vs EU issue - if it is affecting any aspect of wiki - find the necessary information, and provide independent citations to verify said issue.  Otherwise, that has no place here on WikiIndex.  Kind regards  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 14:54, 2 July 2022 (UTC)


[[TourBusStop]] # [[:Category:Wikis reachable by WikiTourBus 7|7]]
==The Wiki Rule==
[[TV Tropes]] used to have an article with this name. We might use it as a resource for further wikis to add.  [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWikiRule]  [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.TheWikiRule]  <small><span class=autosigned>— preceding [[Signature|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Max Sinister|Max Sinister]] ([[User talk:Max Sinister|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Max Sinister|contribs]]) – 01:22, 15 October 2022‎ (UTC).</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->


Bus image
:Why is it called a "rule"? --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 09:00, 15 October 2022 (UTC)


visit stop
::I think it is just their naming conventions and their inclusion policy maybe?  I confess I am not a follower of tropes of any kind.  But the older version of that page is certainly a valid resource to add any missing wiki sites here on WikiIndex, so please go ahead and [[WikiIndex:Add a Wiki|add]] them.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 16:13, 15 October 2022 (UTC)


:: Haa, OK, I see. I'm not sure that would work for those with more than one bus route, look at [[English Wikipedia]] to see how the five bus routes nicely fill the bottom line.  If we used your method, then any with more than one route wouldn't look correct. :// Also, the hash is an 'Americanism' (Nr. is German, No. is Brit English) - and I think it probably works better for us here at WikiIndex if we try to keep out country-specific abbreviations, and aim for an international and multilingual audienceGotta take the wife to work in a moCatch up again later. :)) [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 20:56, 1 May 2013 (PDT)
==Image error==
Howdy! Thank you for the account approval. I'm not entirely sure what happened, but I uploaded a logo for [[:Category:Whiki|Whiki]], but it seems to have thrown an error on thumbnailing (that can be seen at [[:File:Whiki_Logo.png|here]]). When I tried to add it to the category article and sizing it down to 180px, it also seems to have thrown an error on the category page — any idea what is wrong with it? [[User:Original Authority|Original Authority]] ([[User talk:Original Authority|talk]]) 03:50, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
:Thanks for reaching out.  Sadly, we have some bugs in our software which cause problems with image display.  If you look at [[Special:NewFiles]], you will see that many file uploads fail to display thumbnail, and many will also fail to display at any manually selected pixel size other than their original upload sizeRegrettably, I don't have server access, so I am not able to resolve this issue (and I have no expertise in in that area)My only suggestion is to manually resize logos to a maximum 300px and then upload againApologies for not being able to offer a better solution.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 15:29, 25 November 2022 (UTC)


Cool - I see the issue with multiple bus routes, I still think the line should be moved up below [[TourBusStop]] / Bus image / visit stop - ok with an internationalized numbering system or leaving blank.  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
::Ah, thank you! I've successfully uploaded a new version of the image — are you able to delete [[:File:Whiki_Logo.png]] if possible, please? [[User:Original Authority|Original Authority]] ([[User talk:Original Authority|talk]]) 07:35, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
:::Now deleted.  Thanks for your understanding.  And welcome again.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 14:26, 26 November 2022 (UTC)


==[[帮助:目录]] of [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]==
==[[WikiIndex:Merge policy|Merge policy?]]==
In Chinese, we read from left to right, just like English. So please change 目录 to 帮助 in [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] just like we use Help in [[Help:Contents]]. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  03:22, 2 May 2013 (PDT- done ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
I checked the [[Althistory]] page, and it says that the page should be merged with another one. OK so far, a long time ago I did that at WP, and kinda remember it also involves merging the histories so nothing is lost. But what is WI's merging policy actually? It's still a red link...--[[User:Max Sinister|Max Sinister]] ([[User talk:Max Sinister|talk]]) 23:55, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
:You are indeed correct that our merge policy is still a red link :-p Indeed, many basic policies were red links until the last few years! I will endeavour to make a start on that specific policy very soon.


==[[Wikimedia Toolserver]] logo==
:The actual mechanism for [[Special:MergeHistory|Merging]] can only be carried out by [[sysop]]s, due to the licensing need to retain [[edit history]] (and [[attribution]]) of both articles. Whilst the merge function is automated, it does need oversight - because not every edit can be merged - so discretion needs to be observed before actioning it.
Would you please help me upload the logo of the toolserver from [https://wiki.toolserver.org/w/tslogo.png <nowiki>https://wiki.toolserver.org/w/tslogo.png</nowiki>]? I can't always connect to [[Wikimedia Toolserver]] to display the logo. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 03:39, 2 May 2013 (PDT)  -- here it is <nowiki>[[File:Wikimedia Toolserver.png]]</nowiki> - Best, [[MarkDilley]]


Nice [[Template:Cleanup]].  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
:Regarding the Althistory, and indeed all merge requests - sometimes, an editor may mark an article for merging (in good faith) - when in fact, it should remain in its own right.  Aside any genuine but accidental duplicate entries - the most common reason for mistakenly tagging for a merge is when a wiki site has changed host by way of [[fork]]ing (and instead of creating a new article for the new host - an editor may simply update the original wiki site to the URLs of the new host!).  The original wiki site, at its original host should be preserved as its own article here (annotating its status if necessary as abandoned or dead), and using a hat-note template to point to any new host.  I notice that it was [[User talk:Ismael755|Ismael755]] who added the merge tag to [[Althistory]] (I think I was on an extended wiki break at that time - personal issues), and he also added a new article [[Alternate Future Wiki]].  Glancing very briefly, it appears that both sites co-existed, though I guess they now are merged into one site on WikiaThere is also the same issue with [[Future]] and [[The Future Wiki]]!


==Patrol==
:In summary, if two articles have been created about an identical site on an identical host - the articles should be merged.  But if they are or were two separate wiki sites (even if say on Wikia), but have themselves since merged (usually by Wikia), the article here referring to the 'original' (even if dead) should be retained - and ideally archived links found to support it.
How did I patrol edits without being an admin (it's not possible, but it did exist)? [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=patrol&user=Zhuyifei1999&page=&year=&month=-1 See log] --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  08:32, 4 May 2013 (PDT)


:Hmmmm ... wierd! I have no idea how the log shows your edits as self patroled ... but if you check [[Special:RecentChanges]], your edits still have the red caution icon, which means they are <u>not</u> patroled.  Our software in general seems to have wierd configuration settings for many things ... sysops get blocked by the spam filter, yet new accounts seem to bypass it!  Maybe you can collect a list of configuration bugs and oddities, and let Mark know.  Best [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 11:49, 4 May 2013 (PDT)
:Hope that makes sense! :) [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 00:36, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
:: I can't see whether an edit is patrolled because I'm not an admin. :( --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 18:04, 4 May 2013 (PDT)


==Which wiki community standard are you applying?==
:: OK, I'll have to think about this a bit. But thanks for stating the merge policy.--[[User:Max Sinister|Max Sinister]] ([[User talk:Max Sinister|talk]]) 04:42, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
[http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Category_talk:Active_administrators_of_this_wiki&diff=prev&oldid=168593 for this] - and I don't remember the edit you are referring to? Wiki culture that I was involved in did not have "user pages" - you just had your page and anyone could edit it  and you words - anytime. [[Meatball:WikiNow]] Best, [[MarkDilley]]


==[[LabVIEW Wiki]]==
==Blocked me==
How can it need love? I can't get an account even if I'm experienced with LabVIEW, and neither edit it. :( --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  12:08, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello Sean,
:It isn't really dormant, if you click on the recent changes link from our [[LabVIEW Wiki]] article (which is now set to 300 days and 100 edits), you should see ''some'' constructive editing from March 2013 (as well as lots of spambot deletions).  The wiki status categories are quite subjective here on WikiIndex - more of an opinion rather than a definitive statement.  If you can't register for an account there, maybe its edit mode should be changed to 'ByInvitation'.  Keep up your awesome work here :))))  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 05:17, 5 May 2013 (PDT)


==Sidebar problems==
Not sure what I was doing to look like a spammer, but thought I would ask: https://wikiindex.org/Special:Contributions/172.26.30.192 Best, [[MarkDilley]]
I've found a way to solve the sidebar problems instantly: just go to http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebar&action=purge and it works. Is there any way to make a shortcut or something? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  15:32, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
:Hello  MarkApologies if I somehow managed to block you.  There is a bug somewhere in our software, and that IP address requested an account, which I approved.  And they then created a blatant spam page - [[Ndifreke Ukpong]] - which clearly had nothing to do with any wiki!
:OK, I've added a 'refresh sidebar' in the resources sectionCan you see it, and does it work?  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 11:23, 5 May 2013 (PDT)
::The thing is, we won't see them when the sidebar is resettled. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 22:44, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
:::Any other ideas?  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 15:58, 5 May 2013 (PDT)
::::Actually, no. There's no places for us to place custom links other than the sidebar. (Unless you count the tabs, but that's for things related to the page.) :( --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 09:58, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::Can you do the M$ Windows equivalent of a forced refresh (<tt>Ctrl+F5</tt>) on an iPad?  Maybe that might help.  I actually think the entire MediaWiki install needs deleting off the server (after taking a database dump), and then a fresh re-install - because we have so many bugs in ours - but sadly, it looks like we don't have the appropriate back-end supportI enjoy you energy here on WikiIndex, best  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 03:10, 6 May 2013 (PDT)
:::::: I can't. :( And I don't think we need a forced refresh, we just need to purge the site cache. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  13:31, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::: About the fresh reinstall, I've found that it may take a lot of time (especially Semantic MediaWiki). Maybe we can fix most of them by disabling cache. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  13:35, 6 May 2013 (UTC)


==Check Recent Changes==
:Checking the [[Special:Block/172.26.30.192|block log for that IP]], they are only restricted from editing as an anon IP editor. They are still able to create new accounts, or login from existing accounts.  So genuine registered users should not be blocked!
Can you remember to check [[Special:RecentChanges]]? Someone's spamming again. Thanks. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 12:56, 6 May 2013 (UTC)


==wikiindex.org==
:Another guy on MediaWiki.org also commented that our software configuration has bugs which are preventing password recovery emails, and Karsten also concerned about our buggy config. Regards [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 12:52, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
Can you make a text replace -- wikiindex.com to wikiindex.org? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  14:52, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
:I'm not sure that would be wise.  Our original URL was wikiindex.com, and of the 7 searches, most are archive discussions relating to our former URL, and the change to the current .org.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 08:03, 6 May 2013 (PDT)
::I thought there's only one, which is [[WikiIndex talk:InterWiki]]. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  15:11, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
::: And it seems is. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 15:26, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Never mind. I've manually did that with ''()''s. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 10:49, 9 May 2013 (UTC)


==[[MediaWiki:Edittools]]==
::Gotcha. Thanks for your responsiveness and clarity Sean, as always! What are the steps we can take to update/upgrade our software configuration? Best, [[MarkDilley]]
I don't think <nowiki><nowiki></nowiki></nowiki> is necessary -- we have http://wikiindex.org/skins/common/images/button_nowiki.png, and it does the same. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 10:53, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
:I don't use the buttons above, I prefer to use textual coding.  I don't think it is causing any problems being listed in the Edittools. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 04:02, 9 May 2013 (PDT)
:: Actually, it's more convenient because it is more close to the editing area. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  11:55, 9 May 2013 (UTC)


==Bot right to [[User:YiFeiBot]]==
:::I am no expert on MediaWiki hosting, so I can not advise!
Can you please add a bot right to [[User:YiFeiBot]]? Thanks. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  12:52, 10 May 2013 (UTC)


==Rectifying syntax of a template==
:::I am not sure if you have spoken with Ray recently - because [[Karsten Hoffmeyer]] ({{U|Kghbln}}) emailed me recently, and offered to host WikiIndex on his own [[:Category:ProWiki (farm)|ProWiki]] host, and upgrade the necessary software (though he never indicated any price!)Karsten would actually be a great fit for WikiIndex, because he is also an expert with Semantic MediaWiki[[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 14:16, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
Hello.  I made a mistake in translating the syntax of the template: Left. I meant right not left because Arabic and Hebrew are written from right to leftCan you adjust this script syntax or rename the page Template: Left, to Template: RightThanks <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Brahfous|Brahfous]] ([[User talk:Brahfous|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Brahfous|contribs]]) 14:47, 10 May 2013‎ (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:Done. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 02:00, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


==Soft, Worried Hugs==
== Small trouble with a vandal ==
Sean? Please look after yourself? I'll be worrying more than I can tell you... Love and Huggles Always [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] ([[User talk:TeraS|talk]]) 16:56, 11 May 2013 (PDT)
:Thank-you Tera, that's greatly appreciated.  I'm struggling a lot at.the mo, making v.slow progress. Getting v.little sleep at the mo due to pain, hopefully pain will subside in a few days. Must try for more sleep -  it's fone 1am here in the UK, nite-nite all. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 17:17, 11 May 2013 (PDT)


{{WellWishesBarnstar}}
Hi! I'm a wiki editor for the [[Independent Fallout Wiki]] and I had to deal with a vandal on our page. Essentially, an anon edit posted links to something completely irrelevant to the subject matter, as well as posting misinformation that really had no relation to the article. They also dead-named on our admins.
Me too! I came back from a 10-month federal holiday, and as soon as I hit recent changes and didn't see you, I thought "Oh no..." [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 05:56, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
: Oh my God - I'm deeply touched by your kind thoughts and wishes.  <u>A huge big '''thank-you''' to you all.</u>
: As some of you may be aware (well I hope I mentioned it!), I was diagnosed with the dreaded 'big C' earlier this year (Renal Cell Carcinoma, or kidney cancer), and had to have major abdominal surgery.  I'm still on a very slow and painful recovery (surgeon reckons 12 months to get over surgery!), but the real downer for me was the temporary loss of my eyesight (from some nasty medication for neuropathic pain).  Vision is nearly back to normal, but my near vision still isn't correct, and eyes get tired easily - especially after using fone or computer.  The surgeon also reckons I'm now clear of cancer - so I'm very relieved about that!
: I've noticed a few changes here on WikiIndex (I hope for the better :p ), and the FavIcon looks great. I also noticed a couple of new Admins, which I hope are doing a great job here.  Forgive me if I don't pick up on any new procedures, etc since my latest sabatical, and also please bear in mind I'll probably be on a 'go slow' on here for a while - I've got about 8 months of my life to catch up on, and SWMBO is best kept sweet, being as she's been caring for me since my op.
: Once again, big thanks, and a big group hug (but don't squeeze too tight) - [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 18:58, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
:: ''Big sigh of relief, happy to hear from you.'' ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
::: Thanks Mark :))).  Just gotta remember what I used to do round here!  - [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 19:15, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
:::(Softly hugs a bunch and then some) Thank you for appearing again Sean... Missed and worried about you so very much... You've really made me so very happy and thank you... Love [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] ([[User talk:TeraS|talk]]) 19:21, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
::::Thank-you Tera.  It's very heart-warming to learn you've all been thinking about me.  I'm very happy to back amongst very good friends.  Love and huggles, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 19:35, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
:::::Finally, you're back! YAY! I was worried so much. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 09:42, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
:::::Thank God you're doing better, Sean. It's really nice to know you're back with us! [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]])Arcane


==Wikis with wikiFactor between 5 and 9==
I was curious if there's any counter-measured to prevent this? Thanks! [[User:C0NN1E|C0NN1E]] ([[User talk:C0NN1E|talk]]) 13:56, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi Sean, sorry to hear you've been suffering.


Some time ago you kindly split the Category "Wikis with wikiFactor between 2 and 4". I now have at least one supporter to split [[:Category:Wikis with wikiFactor between 5 and 9]] (see [[:Category talk:Wikis with wikiFactor between 5 and 9|the talk page]]. Could I ask you to have a look at this, and if it seems appropriate, make the split?
:Hello C0NN1E, welcome to WikiIndex.  I'm sorry for not noticing the [[vandal]]ism. I now blocked the IP for one week, but if you notice anyone who is spamming or vandalising articles, please tag their user page or user talk page with either <tt>{{Template|vandal}}</tt> or <tt>{{Template|spammer}}</tt>.  Best regards, and happy new year!  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 14:24, 2 January 2023 (UTC)


Thanks, [[User:Ross Burgess|Ross Burgess]] ([[User talk:Ross Burgess|talk]]) 03:08, 13 June 2013 (PDT)
::Hi again, Hoof Hearted! It looks like the same IP returned a week later trying to remove constructive edits on the same page. I marked their user page under the <nowiki>{{vandal}}</nowiki> template. [[User:C0NN1E|C0NN1E]] ([[User talk:C0NN1E|talk]]) 20:51, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
:Hi, it's {{done|done}} now. Hope you're all right. Miss you very much. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 09:51, 21 June 2013 (UTC)


==With a little help from your friends==
==Wiki Farm name change procedure?==
I need your help to move [[Psiram.com]] to [[Psiram (de)]]! Have a look at it, I'd covered it from [[WikiMANNia]] as good as I can. Thanks --[[Special:Contributions/89.15.87.237|89.15.87.237]] 03:55, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
Howdy! I just wanted to check in to clarify someting. [[:Category:Whiki|Whiki]] has changed names and is now known as Telepedia—what should I do with the article and categories, and the pages that follow, such as [[Whiki Meta Wiki]]. Should I create new articles and mark Whiki as dead, and add a hat note? Or is there some other procedure for this (such as merging, or editing the original article etc.) Just wanted to double check before making edits! :) --[[User:Original Authority|Original Authority]] ([[User talk:Original Authority|talk]]) 06:21, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
:Hi, and sorry for the delay in replying.
:Do you have URLs for Telepedia?  And do you know the rationale for the name change?
:Depending on the reasons or cause of the name change, we would either [[redirect]] to their new name, or mark as dead and create new! :-/  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 21:24, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


==Ratchetpedia==
==Redirecting WikiIndex-dot-com URL to subpage==
I'd like to bring the [[Ratchetpedia]] article to your attention, particularly the second paragraph of the 'history' section. It is a useless thing to add, should ever wiki document every vandalism attempts on them? Also it seems to call me out as a means of harassment. [[Special:Contributions/122.150.167.84|122.150.167.84]] 08:38, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
Hey, Hoof! I don't know if you're the right person to ask for this, but many old Fandom (Wikia) sites still have [[wikiindex:]] interwiki link set to http://wikiindex.com/$1. For examples, see [https://cities.fandom.com/api.php?siprop=interwikimap&action=query&meta=siteinfo cities.fandom] (a.k.a. [[Cities Wiki]]), [https://list.fandom.com/api.php?siprop=interwikimap&action=query&meta=siteinfo list.fandom] ([[WikiLists]]) and the ''Star Trek'' wiki, [https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/api.php?siprop=interwikimap&action=query&meta=siteinfo memory-alpha.fandom] ([[Memory Alpha]]).
:OK, I've reverted the offensive edit. Whatever anyone's 'history' on other wikis, I personally don't think that WikiIndex is the place for such comments. Best regards (and don't forget to log-in next time :p ) - [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 19:14, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
::Some people seems to prefer to edit as anon, such as the one have several posts on my user talk page recently (having html, css and mediawiki syntax skills even better than some experienced editors (example: I never thought ''clear'' in css would cause {{template|TOCright}} to be impopular)). --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 10:21, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
:::Hi, it's me. I apologise, but my intention was not to do so many edits here. This is why I didn't create an account. I have lots to do in the WikiMANNia project, so I pass sometimes here to actualize the number of articles data. If you wish to give me a notice (i.e. for translate something into German) you can write it [[Talk:WikiMANNia|here]]. --[[Special:Contributions/89.15.112.107|89.15.112.107]] 01:35, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


==Break,==
The problem is, https://wikiindex.com/aaaa or any URL to dot-com with any subpage just redirects to the homepage (https://wikiindex.org). Thoughts on fixing how that domain redirection is set up? —[[User:AStranger195|AStranger195]] ([[User talk:AStranger195|talk]]) 13:21, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
although I do see now that I haven't really used it at this wiki, so whatever you want to do.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
:Hello, to get that issue fixed, you need to ask on [[Wikia Community Central (en)]] to get one of their Interwiki Administrators to update their global interwiki table - including updating many to https.  That is unfortunately out of control of WikiIndex.  Best regards [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 17:47, 24 March 2023 (UTC)


==Dead Wiki==
:: What about fixing it on your end, and fixing all legacy interwiki links in the process? Doesn't WikiIndex have control of the wikiindex.com domain? --[[User:AStranger195|AStranger195]] ([[User talk:AStranger195|talk]]) 05:52, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
If a wiki is dead, and appears to have completely gone for some time, can their page on here be changed to another active wiki or is an entirely new page needed? [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] ([[User talk:Escyos|talk]]) 08:38, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
:::I am not sure about the Wikiindex dot com domain. Maybe you can email our owner, [[Raymond King]], as he may still own the dot com domain.
:Can you give me an example, or point me to the specific wiki? I'll then look at it and give you an answer tomorrow (I'm busy today), rgds  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 08:50, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
:::As for Wikia or Fandom, they have zero interest in cooperation with external wiki sitesIndeed, Wikia removed many of the tools used for creating relationships between themselves and non-Wikia sites a long time ago! [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 15:07, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
::[[Eureka Wiki]] - the basic url (http://eurekawiki.org/) is some sort spam blog. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] ([[User talk:Escyos|talk]]) 10:42, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
::: I have control of the name, but don't have the technical skills.  I'd be happy to give it a try if someone can make it easy for me. [[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small>
:::OK, I've looked at the [[Eureka Wiki]] article, and found some former links at [[archive.org]] and added themDo I presume that you know of another active wiki on the same subject? [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 23:37, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
::::Why, yes I do. Some wonderful person made one 4 days ago that is already shaping up to be better and bigger than the others; http://eureka.tv-wiki.com/wiki/Eureka_Wiki [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] ([[User talk:Escyos|talk]]) 03:10, 27 October 2013 (UTC)


==replyed==
==Please see the message on the following talk page, adding this CSS code will fix the tab issue==
08:42, 30 October 2013 (diff | hist) . . (-37)��?. . Form:Wiki ��?(Undid revision 173211 by Zhuyifei1999 (talk) - did you actually READ the discussion on the Template talk:NewWiki boilerplate page?????) (top) [rollback 1 edit]
[[MediaWiki talk:Vector.css]]


Replyed:
I can't edit it myself because I'm not an administrator.
[[User:William Lupinacci|William Lupinacci]] ([[User talk:William Lupinacci|talk]]) 22:28, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
:{{Done}}  Thanks for the advice, cheers!  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 08:34, 17 June 2023 (UTC)


(diff | hist) . . Template talk:NewWiki boilerplate��? 08:40 . . (+198)��?. . ‎Zhuyifei1999 (Talk | contribs | block)��?(→‎misunderstanding . . .:  reply) [rollback 1 edit]
==RMS Titanic Wiki‎s==
Hi,


--[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:44, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
just worked on [[RMS Titanic Wiki‎]] and created a template for its sister wikis. Please check it whether it's OK that way.


:::[[Template talk:NewWiki boilerplate#misunderstanding . . .]] - answered [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Template_talk:NewWiki_boilerplate&curid=8880&oldid=173220 here]  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] ��?<sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> ��?<small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 09:30, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
Also, I'm wondering about this website: [https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/introduction.html Encyclopedia Titanica]. Does this fit in here? It's an online database for a specific topic with a community, but OTOH, it doesn't seem to be a real wiki, esp. since it was started in 1996.--[[User:Max Sinister|Max Sinister]] ([[User talk:Max Sinister|talk]]) 00:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
::::Also replyed. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 09:38, 30 October 2013 (UTC)


:And what is
:The Titanic template is fantastic!  Thank you.  As for Encyclopedia Titanica, that does not use any known wiki software (from what I can ascertain), so it really has no place here.  Regards, [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 15:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
:: You're welcome. I'll make a multi-language template for the James Bond wikis next.--[[User:Max Sinister|Max Sinister]] ([[User talk:Max Sinister|talk]]) 07:27, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
:::A [[:Category:James Bond|James Bond]] template will be awesome, thanks.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 11:24, 4 July 2023 (UTC)


:(diff | hist) . . Category:Wiki CC-BY-NC��? 08:33 . . (+2)��?. . ‎Hoof Hearted (Talk | contribs | block)��?(Undid revision 173208 by Zhuyifei1999 (talk) - soft redirects do NOT work with Semantic MediaWiki Structured Data fields) [rollback 1 edit]
==Login problem==
This month I got an odd login error: I wanted to log in, but got an error message that I had no cookies activated. My browser settings were the same as they are now, and as you can see, I am logged in. --[[User:Max Sinister|Max Sinister]] ([[User talk:Max Sinister|talk]]) 09:37, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
:Which browser are you using? For me, when I use Safari on my Mac, I regularly get cookie warnings for sites which I know that I have already accepted, and it frequently logs me out of sites which I regularly use. I never have those issues when using Opera browser!  Regards. [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 11:03, 13 July 2023 (UTC)


:--[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:45, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
==Do you know a wiki with a smart user community?==
::The infobox which [[Template:Wiki]] generates uses a number of structured data fields - [[:Category:Wiki License|Wiki license]] is one of them.  That means that anything other than the correct entries will fail the structured data.  All of the 'redirect' license categories will fail this structured data.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] ��?<sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> ��?<small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 09:30, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
Somehow I don't feel satisfied with the various communities I'm a member of. You know about so many wikis. Can you recommend one to me which has science and/or fiction as a topic, and an intelligent user base? Maybe one with restricted access?
:::But the CC-BY-NC��?simply isn't a correct entry, or it is a duplicate of Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 09:38, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
:::(Undid revision /\d+/ by YiFeiBot (talk) - fix Semantic structured data) see ^^ --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 09:04, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
:::^^ --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:44, 4 November 2013 (UTC)


:Also (diff | hist) . . Template:Wiki��? 08:38 . . (-158)��?. . ‎Hoof Hearted (Talk | contribs | block)��?(Undid revision 173209 by Zhuyifei1999 (talk) - please READ my previous edit summary! STOP undoing my edits) [rollback 1 edit]
TIA, --[[User:Max Sinister|Max Sinister]] ([[User talk:Max Sinister|talk]]) 20:40, 18 October 2023 (UTC)


:refers to (cur | prev) 16:06, 29 October 2013��?Hoof Hearted (Talk | contribs | block)��?. . (4,878 bytes) (-158)��?. . (not all wikis have a WikiNode or About link - so pointless forcing them into a maintenance category, also forcing form edit on existing wikis is a bad idea) (undo)
:Hello, and apologies for late reply.  Apart from trawling through [[:Category:Science]], it is difficult for me to make personal recommendations.  [[SklogWiki]] is a high-level science wiki, run by a former WikiIndex editor.  [[Psiram]] appears to be a quality site, its German language version is fairly active.  [[RationalWiki (en)]] includes lots of science, as do the various [[:Category:Uncyclopedia]]s.  Best regards, [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 11:36, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
:: Thanks for your suggestions. For SklogWiki I don't have the right background, and RationalWiki has many readworthy articles, but the userbase has detoriated IMO. Still thanks for Psiram, I'll have to look at it.--[[User:Max Sinister|Max Sinister]] ([[User talk:Max Sinister|talk]]) 02:59, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


:which replyed in (cur | prev) 08:31, 30 October 2013��?Zhuyifei1999 (Talk | contribs | block)��?. . (5,036 bytes) (+158)��?. . (Undid revision 173198 by Hoof Hearted (talk) -- They can put "No" in it if it is in that condition) (undo)
== Redirect Please  ==


:which means if they really doesn't have a wikinode or a about page, put "No" in it, and it will not add the page to the maintenance category. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:50, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
Please can you make this page https://wikiindex.org/Taerel_Worldbuilding_Wiki Redirect to [[Taerel Wiki]] and merge content as fitting please?  
::But they are utterly pointless!  Does it REALLY matter if those fields are left blank?  Do we (and I mean the miniscule number of regular WikiIndex editors - whom actually work (or try to) on the entire content of this wiki - nearly 20,000 articles) really want yet ANOTHER meaningless maintenance category?  WikiIndex is NOT [[English Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] . . . we do NOT have the HUGE number of editors which Wikipedia can rely on to fix such maintenance issues.  [[WikiNode]] has a really TINY uptake in wikilandia - maybe less than 1% of wikis listed on here actually have a WikiNode.  And again, for the About - there are a very high proportion of MediaWiki wikis which havn't even bothered creating their own About page.  What about all the other wiki engines which do not support the About link?
[[Special:Contributions/172.26.16.215|172.26.16.215]] 22:23, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
::You have done some truely amazing and constructive work here on WikiIndex, and I doff my cap to you for that.  But - and please don't take this the wrong way - you've also made a few mistakes on here, which at least one other editor here has advised you of.  Again, I'm genuinely impressed by your energy and enthusiasm here - but sometimes you just need to take your foot off the gas pedal and try to look at the 'bigger picture' on some of your edits (especially when reverting 'good faith' edits of others). :-)))))  Best and warmest regards  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] ��?<sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> ��?<small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 09:30, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
:::See previous comment on [[Template talk:Wiki#About parameter problem]]: ''not entering doesn't mean that it doesn't exist''. If it is really missing so many about urls => Bot. Btw, which other editor? Arcane? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 09:38, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
::::I just answered [[Template talk:Wiki#About parameter problem]].  I really don't think it's worth making a bot to search for About urls - firstly, it will only work with MediaWiki (and many MediaWiki about urls either don't exist, or have been spammed/deleted, etc), and wont work with any other wiki engine. We don't want to display an About link for a page which was previously spam and then deleted. And yes (as well as another). Best  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] ��?<sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> ��?<small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 10:36, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
:::::Ok, let me do this myself. And what another? Brahfous? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 10:41, 30 October 2013 (UTC)


:Also Revision as of 05:33, 31 October 2013 (edit) (undo) Hoof Hearted (Talk | contribs | block) (fixed semantic property - someone has really messed these up!) Newer edit ��?:Is not me. See also http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Template:Wiki&diff=next&oldid=162194 (text replace made you you) & http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Template:Wiki&diff=39109&oldid=39049 etc.
== Are you OK, Sean? ==


::Huh - where did I state those two diffs had anything to do with your edits?  I didn't - so I'd kindly appreciate no mud slinging there please. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] ��?<sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> ��?<small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 15:35, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
For some weeks (it feels like it), I've tried to login, but the wiki was always down. That's why I wondered whether something had happened to you.--[[User:Max Sinister|Max Sinister]] ([[User talk:Max Sinister|talk]]) 21:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC)


:And what is wrong with Latest revision as of 06:00, 31 October 2013 (edit) (undo) Hoof Hearted (Talk | contribs | block)    [rollback 3 edits] (found some of the seriously messed up semantic properties - YeFei, please STOP making edits to this template): You said you didn't want maintance category, but how can ANYONE keep track of the missing parameters??? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 09:02, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
== Spammer alert ==


::If you compare this [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Template%3AWiki&diff=173248&oldid=169477 diff] - which shows the last stable revision from mid-May 2013 (before you had editing permissions on the template) to your last edit on 30 October 2013 - then apart from your constructive edits tidying up duplication, you needlessly first added a missing category switch to virtually every field, you then changed that to force create utterly needless semantic properties for those same fields. As I've previously stated, it is utterly POINTLESS trying to force articles here on WikiIndex into 'maintenance' categories (and even more pointless making a semantic property for a 'non-entity') for the many thousands of wikis which will never have say a WikiNode, or an about url, or a page count or wikiFactor.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] ��?<sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> ��?<small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 15:35, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
172.26.16.37 inserted handbag ads on the [[Alternativgeschichte-Wiki]] page. Could you ban him?--[[User:Max Sinister|Max Sinister]] ([[User talk:Max Sinister|talk]]) 13:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
:::Then are you giving me any way to search for the missing ones??? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:44, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 
:Are you going to reply? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 14:32, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 
==Why does this matter to you?==
Hi Sean,  I am seeing friction between [[YiFei]] and [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebar&diff=next&oldid=173390 your edits] and I am not getting it.  Look forward to your thoughts. Best, [[MarkDilley]]
:Mark, see [[User talk:Zhuyifei1999#MediaWiki namespace, test editing and edit summaries|here]], and the section immediately above in my talk page. And may I remind you that [[YiFei]] has created friction between at least two other WikiIndex sysops (and no doubt other sysops and editors) during my big C sabatical.  I really don't want to be spending time here trying to fix numerous cock-ups to the MW namespace (which have knocked out WikiIndex access due to either database or config errors), nor trying to fix the nigh-on 40 un-needed semantic properties caused by blatant test editing to [[Template:Wiki]].
:Mark, you need to decide weather you want a harmonious community wiki here, or one where one editor winds up and pisses of many other long-standing editors & sysops here.  Your call.  Having cancer focusses the mind a little - I'm more than willing to continue helping out here, and trying to work with other sysops AND editors to improve WikiIndex for the benefit of ALL.  But I am NOT willing to waste my rather precious time trying to fix what has become a testers playground.  I'm certainly far from perfect - and have probably made my fair share of mistakes here - but the one crucial ethos I try to stick to is to work WITH other editors and sysops here, and not repeatedly piss off others!  Best.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 17:26, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
::'''Allow me to butt in''' I'm only here because I see HH and YF frequently on [[Special:RecentChanges]]. I can tell that you both want this wiki to be a good resource and that you're both fairly smart. I hope that you two don't get pissed off at one another or let  something small turn into something big. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 22:43, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:::#replyed: [[User_talk:Zhuyifei1999#MediaWiki_namespace.2C_test_editing_and_edit_summaries]]
:::#Which two? IMO only Arcane.
:::#Others: only AugurNZ IMO
:::#I am not a tester, I know what I am doing (for searching the missing ones).
:::#See previous section, you have not explained what are you doing in some cases. (Mostly I'm the last reply, and you just IGNORE my comments)
:::#You deleted messages without discussing with the proposer. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 04:34, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 
<big>WHAT ARE YOU DOING????</big> --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 11:26, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 
==Thankies for the new pitchfork==
Thank you Sean! Hoping you are well! Love and Huggles [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] ([[User talk:TeraS|talk]]) 18:35, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
:You're welcome, Tera.  I'm battling on ... in between the blurred haze from my cocktail of medications :-/  Love and Huggles to you too :-))))))  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 20:14, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 
==RFCU==
Please check [[Special:CheckUser/175.44.0.0/16]] & [[Special:CheckUser/110.85.0.0/16]] and see what sub-ip ranges (or none/all) should be blocked. ;) --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 14:28, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
:Done.  All user accounts and IP ranges now blocked.  Best :-))  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 08:54, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
 
==The Vault==
Excuse me? Why in the world did you re-add the libel that I removed? Not only was it added by a well known hate-monger, but it is also completely baseless. Can you please provide your rationale for sanctioning such hate? [[Special:Contributions/67.187.96.246|67.187.96.246]] 22:27, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
I'll actually take this chance to elaborate:
*"...as a result of totalitarian Wikia policies."
**Ausir moved because he got a new job that payed more and allowed him a bit more freedom customizing. Most of the Administrators that left with him only did so because he was the face of the wiki at the time.
*"Wikia maintains a copy..."
**Wikia is not a copy of The Vault. We have existed since 2005, and those at The Vault have only been around for a couple of years. To copy is an action - In which Ausir and them took action in moving the information stored on our databanks over to Curse.
*"...as part of their style of intimidation and control tactics over anyone who does not approve of their decisions."
**Says who? I want to see your source for this. I have been on Nukapedia/The Vault since our beginning after leaving Duck and Cover. I can say with absolute certainty that this has never been an issue.
*"Because The Vault followed up the problem, Wikia eventually changed the name of their original copy to Nukapedia."
**This one pisses me off. We at Nukapedia freely allowed Ausir to take The Vault and its logo with him to Curse. We never fought him. We talked with Wikia about letting them. We were the ones that did everything in our power to make their transition easier.
[[Special:Contributions/67.187.96.246|67.187.96.246]] 22:38, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
 
==Interface messages==
I won't argue about this again, but please consider why [[User:Brahfous|Brahfous]] asked for them. Or why does the destruction of [http://wikiindex.org/%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%AD%D8%A8%D8%A7?uselang=ar Arabic WikiIndex] happen? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 09:06, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 
And [[Special:Preferences]] has too many red links again :( --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 09:10, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 
==[[Cathopedia]]==
Deleting [[Cathopedia (de)]] you made a redlink in [[Template:Cathopedia]].
No improve, sure? And look this: [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Cathopedia/WikiFactor]] ... What the hell you are doing?!?? --[[Special:Contributions/77.1.8.89|77.1.8.89]] 17:38, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
:Hi, and thanks for your comments.  I made [[Cathopedia (de)]] into a red link simply because it should point to a wiki with the url <tt>de.cathopedia.org</tt> – which is a different wiki (and url) to [[Kathpedia]].
:Regarding your comment on [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Cathopedia/WikiFactor]] – I simply moved the original template over to [[Template:Cathopedia/wikiFactor]] – simply to be consistent with naming [[wikiFactor]] with a lower-case leading 'w'.  I was then going to edit the affected articles – but my laptop was afflicted with the 'blue screen of death' – so that put a halt to my editing session.  If no one else has fixed them, I'll resume where I left off. :p
:Oh – your last sentence wasn't particularly Christian-like!  Being as I'm also a Christian, I'll forgive you :-))))))))  Best regards  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 20:24, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
 
==Regarding [[Touhou Wiki]]==
Hi there; I'm Mamizou, [http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Touhou_Wiki:Administrators head steward] of [[Touhou Wiki]], responding to the query to [[User:DennouNeko|DennouNeko]] regarding the wiki's past, specifically on Wikia.
 
Touhou Wiki itself originated as a subsection of the Touhou imageboard [http://pooshlmer.com/ Pooshlmer] around 2005 or so, and subsequently had been moved to Wikia by the owner of Pooshlmer (who on the wiki also had the username 'Pooshlmer') after a year or so.  The wiki lived for awhile as 'touhou.wikia.com', and several other Touhou wikis in various language grew up around that (as subdomains of 'touhou.wikia.com').  At the point where Wikia began their changes, we decided to move everything to our own hosting, and did so with the blessing of 'Pooshlmer', who was still the head admin of the wiki.  After the site move was completed around Nov-Dec 2010, Wikia staff (namely Sannse) refused to close the previous wikis down, and in the spring of 2011 a couple people were granted admin rights of the then-abandoned 'touhou.wikia.com'.  One of said admins also proceeded to go around the rest of Wikia and remove legitimate links to the new Touhou Wiki and generally causing problems.  So there's historically been a lot of bad blood between Touhou Wiki and the administration of Wikia and those they 'promote' to admins of the dead wikis.  Since that point one of the other admins has tried to rework the aim of the previous wiki on Wikia as to not compete with Touhou Wiki after a good couple years of infighting, although I'm not exactly familiar with their success.
 
Anyway, I realize you're trying to document the splitting and moving of wikis off of Wikia, but understand that many other ex-Wikia wikis won't exactly be happy with getting associated with their zombie forms on Wikia, especially after the huge amounts of struggle and warring they had to endure with the Wikia staff.
 
Thanks.  [[User:Mamizou|Mamizou]] ([[User talk:Mamizou|talk]]) 18:25, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

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Pages for deletion[edit]

Hi, please review Category:Pages for deletion and delete those pages. Several pages have accumulated during the absence of the administrators. Thanks. --Usa11 (talk) 16:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Good day, thanks for welcoming me. I created a new user page so that's okay, thanks anyway for the proposal. For the wikis that I have marked as to be deleted, they are all unreachable through archive sites such as archive.org, so the actual existence of those wikis is questioned. --Usa11 (talk) 12:07, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Account[edit]

I requested an account. Could you please accept it? 172.26.12.237 18:33, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello 172.26.12.237. Can you please advise me the username you used for requesting a new account? Thanks. --Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 19:12, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
That would be "MJL" :) 172.26.12.237 22:51, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Now approved. Welcome to WikiIndex

Please delete[edit]

Hey HH! Could you please delete Category:Pedosexuality?

Thanks! –MJLTalk 23:00, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

 Done --Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 09:38, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

incels dot wiki vs incelwiki.com[edit]

incels dot wiki was legitimately stolen from the creators and main writers of the material itself, (this is a moderated wiki with only like 3-4 particularly active users ever) and since it was stolen, at least one writer (Wizard32) has put on very sketchy URLs on at least one page of incels dot wiki, which they haven't removed for months. They host it on their server, which also hosts a site of theirs which we've found is under heavy investigation by law enforcement. They own sanctionedsuicide and we shouldn't be advertising anything on their servers imho.

This is not a group I would trust as a source on even their own sites Following reports of minors on their sanctionedsuicide.com (now sanctioned-suicide.org) dying, Epik dropped all their sites, followed by what seems to be Tucows or Njalla. Years ago it was Afilias that dropped all their sites.

"In the United States, anyone under the age of 18 is legally a minor. There is no ambiguity here. These are children, the site operators, and members know it, yet continue to discuss the act of suicide in great detail as if they are above or beyond both legal or moral reach." --owner of fixthe26th

I don't think we should be advertising any sites on their server, especially considering what seem to be sketchy URLs on .wiki rn that was added by a writer after they stole it. The owners of those sites call themselves 'master' and 'sergeantincel', they own incels.is (formerly incels.co/incels.me)/sanctionedsuicide etc, and have been dropped by multiple registrars.

Which is why I moved the article I wrote to .com. We have nothing to do with incels.is and their sites/wikis. They just let us use a mediawiki installation for a year until they hijacked it. They lorded it over us the entire time and always tried to push sociopathy on the wiki. We created their "general disclaimer" ourselves, and also individually released under CC on our talk pages so they couldn't have them claim we weren't who we were after the new domain. Since we released under CC individually on talk pages, we aren't pursuing legal options against .wiki but we do have discord records of them claiming that we owned it. (Discord allows exports of private conservations, and retains deleted messages) But .wiki is mostly inactive compared to .com, and is dramatically smaller as well. It's our wiki stuck in 2018 plus garbage they added after they banned everyone. .com also has 5 languages. 14:53, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Sources:

If you still want to keep incels.wiki on, can we have our own page? We also run a huge wiki farm and can add our others, most of which have nothing to do with incels William Lupinacci (talk) 15:06, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


Thanks :) William Lupinacci (talk) 15:07, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Semantics on pages[edit]

Thanks for all your great work: I'm glad to see you taking ownership around here again. Of course, I'm here to complain but on pages like Federated wiki (concept), you've used semantic elements that don't match the content, like a semi-colon to start a definition list but all you really want is bold. Koavf (talk) 03:31, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm confused! Federated wiki (concept) (the article) does not have any semantic data, because it does not use use the {{Wiki}} infobox template. Semantic MediaWiki will only work with semantic data from Semantic Forms, and they can only work from correctly coded templates such as infoboxes. Or am I missing something else? Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 22:47, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, pardon me: I think my earlier post was too vague. Starting a line with a semi-colon will create a description or definition list. These liss should be followed by one or more items that start with a colon. E.g. below:
Hoof Hearted
A user at WikiIndex
An all-around kewl d00d
My friend
Etc. If you want to make something bold, use three apostrophes: this will employ the b or bring to attention element. If you start a definition list but don't follow it with definitions, that's poor HTML semantics and is confusing to things like search engines indexing pages or screen readers attempting to vocalize the content of a page, etc. Does that make sense? Koavf (talk) 23:05, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Ah, okay, I understand your point now. Thanks for clarifying, and sorry for my delay in replying – I was sleeping on my thoughts! Howeverrrrr, I am not sure I 100% agree – though I am open to further reasoning. My understanding, and please forgive me if I'm wrong, I thought that MediaWiki is based on wikitext, rather than HTML? I accept that MediaWiki still relies on a small number of HTML elements (along with CSS, Unicode, and JavaScript), particularly where there is no direct corresponding function within wikitext; a few examples being: <bdi>, <pre>, <sub>, and <sup>. But there are many more elements that are considered highly verboten within wikitext (especially such as MediaWiki), examples <dl>, <dt>, and <dd> (for descriptions, which you eloquently show above with use of the colon and semi-colon), <ol> (for numbered lists, wikitext uses the hash), <h1> to <h6> (for levels of section headings, wikitext uses the equals sign - and I would imagine any editor on Wikipedia who used HTML to create section heading to be robustly chastised!), <p> (for creating paragraphs, when a simple carriage return suffices for wikitext).
As for robots, indexers, and accessibility assisted technologies, I was under the impression that they all worked on the rendered page, rather than its constructed elements? Again, please correct me if I am wrong.
Finally, and I guess this goes back to the original reason for your comment to me, search engine optimisation and performance. Again, my own thinking here; because articles here on WikiIndex are generally (a) very small, when compared to Wikipedia pages, and (b) follow a nigh-on identical format and structure (for articles on wiki, wiki engines, wiki farms, and wiki people) – do we actually need section headings (apart from long articles, or when section headings are highly desirable to separate specific areas within the prose)? And a follow-on from that, if yes, is there any quantifiable value in a search engine indexing say the section(s) on references and / or external links? Surely, surely, surely, for those who search and then find WikiIndex in search providers, we want search results to KEEP folks here in WikiIndex, rather than display searches for external links / sources which will take folks AWAY from WikiIndex?
I greatly appreciate your learned advice and expertise. WikiIndex is a lonely ship to steer alone! Best regards always, Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 14:54, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the thoughtful response. To be clear, my main motivation is proper semantics for accessibility's sake and then things like machine indexing and search engine optimization, etc. Whatever we insert as MediaWiki's code (such as '''bold''' text) gets output as HTML because that's what everything on the Web is, so misusing tags—either by directly inputting the HTML or by using some wikitext that is then converted into HTML—is bad. I don't know that we need headings on pages that are short but I'll defer to you if you prefer one style over another. I do think that making a good outline structure is good for things like generating outlines with OPML or having anchors in a page that are linkable but it's not something that I think is urgent. Koavf (talk) 15:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Editing others' comments[edit]

I'm not sure that I understand this spate of edits. Why are you adding links into others' posts on a user talk page? Koavf (talk) 03:27, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

I think that it is very helpful to add wikilinks, as they provide valuable backlinks, and breadcrumbs to any previous discussions on said subjects. I personally always use backlinks to find established consensus, or other trains of thought when trying to improve all articles here on WikiIndex, including policy.
I accept that it is forbidden to edit other users talk pages on Wikipedia - but we are NOT Wikipedia, and we have no need to be bound by their policies! Best regards. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 22:43, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Blocked?[edit]

My IP address is blocked, yet I've never even been here before. I'm unable to email an admin, so how am I supposed to make an account and list my wiki? Korra Baskerville 172.26.22.41 22:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, and thanks for reaching out. Your current IP address is not blocked, and has been used for editing here on WikiIndex. However, a similar IP address was blocked for adding spam. Do you have a static IP address, or maybe you are using a public Wi-Fi access? If you can provide more detail, I will help you in any way that I can. Best regards. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 22:32, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
I have no idea how that post was able to get through. I tried to edit it and was blocked. Right now, I'm using a VPN to edit the Mystery Dungeon Franchise Wiki page and have managed to put in an account request under the email KorraRoyal@gmail.com. I'm using my own home Wi-Fi based out of Noth-Colorado in the United States. - Korra II Allison Baskerville 172.26.22.41 22:42, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Ok, forgive my lax behaviour for not checking RecentChanges more regularly. I just approved your account now - User:Korra II A Baskerville.
I am slightly confused why three different accounts have been requested from the same IP address, but with three different e-mail addresses, and different forwarding IP addresses. I will look into more detail when I get some time. Best. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 22:53, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

CWCki[edit]

I wonder if you could review whether the CWCki can remain on this wiki or whether a substantial rewrite is needed? The wiki is linked with a website that has been accused of stalking and vulnerable users, and I have to tell you that the subject of the wiki is one of the victims.

Further info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kiwi_Farms

172.26.22.41 00:47, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello. As a general rule, here on WikiIndex, we do not delete articles on wiki which some people might find offensive or upsetting. I have spent considerable time reading CWCki, along with its Wikipedia article and associated WP talk page.
This is my own personal comments. First and foremost, I do not like CWCki - I do not like the way they obsessively detail every minute detail of the life of the person who is the subject of said wiki. However, I must stress in the strongest possible way - my own personal dislike is absolutely not grounds to delete its entry here on WikiIndex. Saying that, I agree that our own article needs a considerable re-write. Unfortunately, I am just not familiar enough with the content of the wiki overall, so it would not be appropriate for me to submit my own thoughts.
As to the Wikipedia article, I find the tone of its coverage very alarming. Strong viewpoints are endemic in that WP article, and there is much bias, and very little neutrality. Discussions on its talk page continuously highlight those issues, but without any real action on balancing and toning down the WP article!
In light of my comments, please feel free to edit our entry here on WikiIndex. Of course, please ensure that your own additons are both factual and neutral. Kind regards. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 02:06, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Thumbnails for new images are broken for some reason, Mediawiki can't fnd /usr/bin/convert[edit]

So new images aren't working to add to the wiki pages

It says "Error creating thumbnail: /bin/bash: /usr/bin/convert: No such file or directory Error code: 127" You probaby need to install imagemagick or configure the imagemagick location in LocalSettings.php

Other people's prior image upload attempts also resulted in failure as shown here https://wikiindex.org/special:filelist

Thanks :) William Lupinacci (talk) 15:52, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello William, and thanks for your message. Sadly, WikiIndex has a few long-standing bugs which never seem to get fixed. I am just a 'crat and regular editor here, and I don't have server access. The owner of WikiIndex is Raymond King, and he also uses Rathbone to make edits; but sadly, he is not very active. Maybe you can email Ray King and remind him of ongoing problems? It might add more timber to the fire if another person contact him. Keep me in the loop please William. Best regards, --Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 00:15, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Needing a couple of renames and logo uploads[edit]

Hi, an IP editor here (who doesn't have file/move rights). Could you please assess logo upload and article rename categories? Particularly for these, which I edited recently, if not all (thanks!): Isvwiki, Wječnika. -172.26.6.144 02:03, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Boobpedia[edit]

Semiprotection of Boobpedia may be useful. This topic invites SPAM. --Manorainjan 12:02, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I see. Now protected from IP editors. Thanks for letting me know. Best. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 16:29, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Turkey on the main page[edit]

I don't think it's nice to shove it as the first thing people read when they visit the wiki, especially in that demeaning voice. It's good to know about Turkey's censorship (among many other problems), but at least water it down and don't make it political, because there are much worse things than having a wiki blocked. Imagine it saying "Thank goodness not all countries are like United States!!!! Cherish your school/market not getting sh0t down every other day!" -172.26.1.10 15:43, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

As utterly tragic and heartbreaking the many school shootings in the US are - unless there is a wiki site which deals with the said issue, it has no place here on WikiIndex. Kind regards Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 14:54, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
I have to agree to that. This wiki should not get politicized. It shall not become the pressure relief valve for people who got no other place to express their political frustrations. Compared to this outdated remark about Türkiye (which is the proper name of that nation) the censorship for everything Russian in EU is massive and hypocritical as can be. We should not get involved into this mess here at all. --Manorainjan 06:01, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Manorainjan, firstly, you have been warned multiple times by other editors, admins and crats on this site about about changing section headings. This is your last warning. Stop - or you will be permanently blocked! Since its inception, WikiIndex has always used the anglophile names for all countries. This has been the consensus since 2006; no other WikiIndex editor or reader has had issue with this. If you do not agree with the consensus and rules here on WikiIndex, go find another wiki which you do like!
Regarding the comment of Turkey on the main page, WikiIndex is a wiki site about all wikis. That includes ALL aspects of wikis - including access and censorship. If a country - not once - but TWICE blocks total access within its entire country - breaking a fundamental European Union law on Human Rights - it is perfectly acceptable to highlight such issues!
Regarding your comment on the Russia vs EU issue - if it is affecting any aspect of wiki - find the necessary information, and provide independent citations to verify said issue. Otherwise, that has no place here on WikiIndex. Kind regards Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 14:54, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

The Wiki Rule[edit]

TV Tropes used to have an article with this name. We might use it as a resource for further wikis to add. [1] [2] — preceding unsigned comment added by Max Sinister (talkcontribs) – 01:22, 15 October 2022‎ (UTC).

Why is it called a "rule"? --Manorainjan 09:00, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
I think it is just their naming conventions and their inclusion policy maybe? I confess I am not a follower of tropes of any kind. But the older version of that page is certainly a valid resource to add any missing wiki sites here on WikiIndex, so please go ahead and add them. Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 16:13, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Image error[edit]

Howdy! Thank you for the account approval. I'm not entirely sure what happened, but I uploaded a logo for Whiki, but it seems to have thrown an error on thumbnailing (that can be seen at here). When I tried to add it to the category article and sizing it down to 180px, it also seems to have thrown an error on the category page — any idea what is wrong with it? Original Authority (talk) 03:50, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for reaching out. Sadly, we have some bugs in our software which cause problems with image display. If you look at Special:NewFiles, you will see that many file uploads fail to display thumbnail, and many will also fail to display at any manually selected pixel size other than their original upload size. Regrettably, I don't have server access, so I am not able to resolve this issue (and I have no expertise in in that area). My only suggestion is to manually resize logos to a maximum 300px and then upload again. Apologies for not being able to offer a better solution. Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 15:29, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
Ah, thank you! I've successfully uploaded a new version of the image — are you able to delete File:Whiki_Logo.png if possible, please? Original Authority (talk) 07:35, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Now deleted. Thanks for your understanding. And welcome again. Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 14:26, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Merge policy?[edit]

I checked the Althistory page, and it says that the page should be merged with another one. OK so far, a long time ago I did that at WP, and kinda remember it also involves merging the histories so nothing is lost. But what is WI's merging policy actually? It's still a red link...--Max Sinister (talk) 23:55, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

You are indeed correct that our merge policy is still a red link :-p Indeed, many basic policies were red links until the last few years! I will endeavour to make a start on that specific policy very soon.
The actual mechanism for Merging can only be carried out by sysops, due to the licensing need to retain edit history (and attribution) of both articles. Whilst the merge function is automated, it does need oversight - because not every edit can be merged - so discretion needs to be observed before actioning it.
Regarding the Althistory, and indeed all merge requests - sometimes, an editor may mark an article for merging (in good faith) - when in fact, it should remain in its own right. Aside any genuine but accidental duplicate entries - the most common reason for mistakenly tagging for a merge is when a wiki site has changed host by way of forking (and instead of creating a new article for the new host - an editor may simply update the original wiki site to the URLs of the new host!). The original wiki site, at its original host should be preserved as its own article here (annotating its status if necessary as abandoned or dead), and using a hat-note template to point to any new host. I notice that it was Ismael755 who added the merge tag to Althistory (I think I was on an extended wiki break at that time - personal issues), and he also added a new article Alternate Future Wiki. Glancing very briefly, it appears that both sites co-existed, though I guess they now are merged into one site on Wikia. There is also the same issue with Future and The Future Wiki!
In summary, if two articles have been created about an identical site on an identical host - the articles should be merged. But if they are or were two separate wiki sites (even if say on Wikia), but have themselves since merged (usually by Wikia), the article here referring to the 'original' (even if dead) should be retained - and ideally archived links found to support it.
Hope that makes sense! :) Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 00:36, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
OK, I'll have to think about this a bit. But thanks for stating the merge policy.--Max Sinister (talk) 04:42, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Blocked me[edit]

Hello Sean,

Not sure what I was doing to look like a spammer, but thought I would ask: https://wikiindex.org/Special:Contributions/172.26.30.192 Best, MarkDilley

Hello Mark. Apologies if I somehow managed to block you. There is a bug somewhere in our software, and that IP address requested an account, which I approved. And they then created a blatant spam page - Ndifreke Ukpong - which clearly had nothing to do with any wiki!
Checking the block log for that IP, they are only restricted from editing as an anon IP editor. They are still able to create new accounts, or login from existing accounts. So genuine registered users should not be blocked!
Another guy on MediaWiki.org also commented that our software configuration has bugs which are preventing password recovery emails, and Karsten also concerned about our buggy config. Regards Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 12:52, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
Gotcha. Thanks for your responsiveness and clarity Sean, as always! What are the steps we can take to update/upgrade our software configuration? Best, MarkDilley
I am no expert on MediaWiki hosting, so I can not advise!
I am not sure if you have spoken with Ray recently - because Karsten Hoffmeyer (Kghbln) emailed me recently, and offered to host WikiIndex on his own ProWiki host, and upgrade the necessary software (though he never indicated any price!). Karsten would actually be a great fit for WikiIndex, because he is also an expert with Semantic MediaWiki. Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 14:16, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Small trouble with a vandal[edit]

Hi! I'm a wiki editor for the Independent Fallout Wiki and I had to deal with a vandal on our page. Essentially, an anon edit posted links to something completely irrelevant to the subject matter, as well as posting misinformation that really had no relation to the article. They also dead-named on our admins.

I was curious if there's any counter-measured to prevent this? Thanks! C0NN1E (talk) 13:56, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello C0NN1E, welcome to WikiIndex. I'm sorry for not noticing the vandalism. I now blocked the IP for one week, but if you notice anyone who is spamming or vandalising articles, please tag their user page or user talk page with either {{vandal}} or {{spammer}}. Best regards, and happy new year! Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 14:24, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi again, Hoof Hearted! It looks like the same IP returned a week later trying to remove constructive edits on the same page. I marked their user page under the {{vandal}} template. C0NN1E (talk) 20:51, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Farm name change procedure?[edit]

Howdy! I just wanted to check in to clarify someting. Whiki has changed names and is now known as Telepedia—what should I do with the article and categories, and the pages that follow, such as Whiki Meta Wiki. Should I create new articles and mark Whiki as dead, and add a hat note? Or is there some other procedure for this (such as merging, or editing the original article etc.) Just wanted to double check before making edits! :) --Original Authority (talk) 06:21, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi, and sorry for the delay in replying.
Do you have URLs for Telepedia? And do you know the rationale for the name change?
Depending on the reasons or cause of the name change, we would either redirect to their new name, or mark as dead and create new!  :-/ Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 21:24, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Redirecting WikiIndex-dot-com URL to subpage[edit]

Hey, Hoof! I don't know if you're the right person to ask for this, but many old Fandom (Wikia) sites still have [[wikiindex:]] interwiki link set to http://wikiindex.com/$1. For examples, see cities.fandom (a.k.a. Cities Wiki), list.fandom (WikiLists) and the Star Trek wiki, memory-alpha.fandom (Memory Alpha).

The problem is, https://wikiindex.com/aaaa or any URL to dot-com with any subpage just redirects to the homepage (https://wikiindex.org). Thoughts on fixing how that domain redirection is set up? —AStranger195 (talk) 13:21, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, to get that issue fixed, you need to ask on Wikia Community Central (en) to get one of their Interwiki Administrators to update their global interwiki table - including updating many to https. That is unfortunately out of control of WikiIndex. Best regards Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 17:47, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
What about fixing it on your end, and fixing all legacy interwiki links in the process? Doesn't WikiIndex have control of the wikiindex.com domain? --AStranger195 (talk) 05:52, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
I am not sure about the Wikiindex dot com domain. Maybe you can email our owner, Raymond King, as he may still own the dot com domain.
As for Wikia or Fandom, they have zero interest in cooperation with external wiki sites. Indeed, Wikia removed many of the tools used for creating relationships between themselves and non-Wikia sites a long time ago! Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 15:07, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
I have control of the name, but don't have the technical skills. I'd be happy to give it a try if someone can make it easy for me. Raymond King | talk

Please see the message on the following talk page, adding this CSS code will fix the tab issue[edit]

MediaWiki talk:Vector.css

I can't edit it myself because I'm not an administrator. William Lupinacci (talk) 22:28, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for the advice, cheers! Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 08:34, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

RMS Titanic Wiki‎s[edit]

Hi,

just worked on RMS Titanic Wiki‎ and created a template for its sister wikis. Please check it whether it's OK that way.

Also, I'm wondering about this website: Encyclopedia Titanica. Does this fit in here? It's an online database for a specific topic with a community, but OTOH, it doesn't seem to be a real wiki, esp. since it was started in 1996.--Max Sinister (talk) 00:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

The Titanic template is fantastic! Thank you. As for Encyclopedia Titanica, that does not use any known wiki software (from what I can ascertain), so it really has no place here. Regards, Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 15:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
You're welcome. I'll make a multi-language template for the James Bond wikis next.--Max Sinister (talk) 07:27, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
A James Bond template will be awesome, thanks. Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 11:24, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Login problem[edit]

This month I got an odd login error: I wanted to log in, but got an error message that I had no cookies activated. My browser settings were the same as they are now, and as you can see, I am logged in. --Max Sinister (talk) 09:37, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Which browser are you using? For me, when I use Safari on my Mac, I regularly get cookie warnings for sites which I know that I have already accepted, and it frequently logs me out of sites which I regularly use. I never have those issues when using Opera browser! Regards. Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 11:03, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Do you know a wiki with a smart user community?[edit]

Somehow I don't feel satisfied with the various communities I'm a member of. You know about so many wikis. Can you recommend one to me which has science and/or fiction as a topic, and an intelligent user base? Maybe one with restricted access?

TIA, --Max Sinister (talk) 20:40, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and apologies for late reply. Apart from trawling through Category:Science, it is difficult for me to make personal recommendations. SklogWiki is a high-level science wiki, run by a former WikiIndex editor. Psiram appears to be a quality site, its German language version is fairly active. RationalWiki (en) includes lots of science, as do the various Category:Uncyclopedias. Best regards, Sean P, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crat / Stafftalk2HH 11:36, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for your suggestions. For SklogWiki I don't have the right background, and RationalWiki has many readworthy articles, but the userbase has detoriated IMO. Still thanks for Psiram, I'll have to look at it.--Max Sinister (talk) 02:59, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Redirect Please[edit]

Please can you make this page https://wikiindex.org/Taerel_Worldbuilding_Wiki Redirect to Taerel Wiki and merge content as fitting please? 172.26.16.215 22:23, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Are you OK, Sean?[edit]

For some weeks (it feels like it), I've tried to login, but the wiki was always down. That's why I wondered whether something had happened to you.--Max Sinister (talk) 21:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Spammer alert[edit]

172.26.16.37 inserted handbag ads on the Alternativgeschichte-Wiki page. Could you ban him?--Max Sinister (talk) 13:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)