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==wF asking from others what we do not provide ourselves?==
Since the server move and including update of the software we do not provide the popular-pages function any more, needed to determine the [[wikiFactor]]. This functionality is not any more included in the general [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] software. One needs to install it a add-on. But we do not have this add-on. That looks quite inconsistent to me. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 16:22, 19 April 2016 (PDT)
:Can you provide a link to the add-on?  Then we can ask [[Brandon]] to install it. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] (21 April 2016)
::{{U|Thedugganaut}} had informed us about the exclusion of this functionality on 26 May 2015, a day after it happened. A month later {{Mw|Extension:HitCounters}} became available. I left the info here: [[Talk:WikiFactor#New versions of WikiMedia no longer have popular pages page]] --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 09:08, 18 August 2016 (PDT)


==Merging of articles==
Please someone merge these two: [[:Category:Body modification]] and possibly take another look in [[:Category:Articles to be merged]]. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 09:06, 18 August 2016 (PDT)
:Took first step. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


==Table of Contents==
=={{U|BrandonCsSanders}}==
I've been curious of this for quite a while . . . why do our TOCs auto-collapse and only display one level of headings, being permanently collapsed for all sub-headings?  [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki/Archive 2012-13]] will show what I mean.  It never used to be like this.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 16:34, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Seems he is dead. No reaction, even on direct email since one year. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 04:49, 22 August 2016 (PDT)
: I've no clue! Sorry, [[MarkDilley]]
:So, nobody knows his whereabouts? [[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 03:54, 15 September 2016 (PDT)
:: It was because of [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3ACommon.js&diff=173029&oldid=171950 these 2 edits by me] in order to deal with [[User_talk:Zhuyifei1999#Template:TOCright]] if this is correct. It is possible to expand the TOC with the [+] button on the left (for a single heading) or with some class= attributes (for a single page). If this does more damage than what it fixed, feel free to revert. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 03:33, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
:::Would you mind undoing the appropriate edit(s) yourself?  I'm not sure which one is the one needing the undoing, and I don't want to break anything else :-/  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 23:23, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
::::{{done}} Just disabled toctree. Some may look better, some may be uglier. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 00:04, 23 August 2014 (UTC)


== Wikindex.com ==
==Verification of new accounts==
In the light of such announcements: [http://SteamCommunity.com/id/dswissk ** WARNING !!! I AM CURRENTLY BEING IMPERSONATED BY SEVERAL SCAMMERS !!! **] one should check the validity of new accounts like [[User:DSwissK]].


I suggest that Mark or Raymond try to get this Domain and forward it to http://wikiindex.org ASAP.[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 22:14, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
Currently there seems do be no procedure of verification whatsoever. How You want to deal with that? --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 03:01, 18 October 2016 (PDT)
: I would probably wait till it dropped, and did you see on the [[CommunityPortal]] - [[Ray]] talking about changing the wiki to Index.Wiki or something using the .Wiki TLD?  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


:: The one got nothing to do with the other. I do not mean to move, just to get another domain and to forward to this one, whatever 'this one' may be at that moment. If WikiIndex moves to index.wiki I would still get/keep wikindex.com and forward to index.wiki [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 10:04, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
:I verified this account by emailing them from one of their wiki accounts elsewhere. This method is probably not perfect. I don't see verification of accounts to be an issue here. [[MarkDilley]]


::: Awesome, feel free to grab it! :-)  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
::Mark, please be precise! Do not say "elsewhere". What account did You take? [[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 06:54, 18 October 2016 (PDT)


::: I will not acquire another domain, got more than enough already. Best would be to form a public charity which will hold all relevant domains.[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 15:54, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
==[[:Category:Pages for deletion|Pages for deletion]]==
Is any of the [[Sysop|admins]] taking care if this? --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style=color:orange>Manorainjan</span>''']] 16:43, 18 November 2016 (PST)
:From time to time? On a regular basis? --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 20:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)


==What defines "active"?==
::There are 17 Pages waiting to be processed ... --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 00:49, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
Are there any rules how to get, keep and loose admin rights here on the Index? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 14:43, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


:If you want admin rights, you can ask if you want!  Though in my very humble opinion, I personally prefer that folks 'earn their stripes'.  I think I was nominated (without ever asking) after being a prolific editor here for about 9 months; yet others seemed to have asked for it and got it from virtually day one (not really the best way, as it can cause friction). Keeping those rights is generally a given – I know of only one to lose their admin rights, but then she did quite blatantly abuse said rights, and created a lot of animosity, and drove away a couple of very good editors.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 20:28, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
==[[Argopaedia]]==
Please [[protect]] that wiki page, not the [[Talk:Argopaedia|talk page]], in order to protect it against erosion of this information. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 12:19, 11 December 2016 (PST)
:Manorainjan is inserting and maintaining false information. The website is neither [[:Category:Active|active]] and no longer a wiki. To suggest otherwise is a lie. His [[Edit summary|edit summaries]] are also false. To restore the article to it's long held status is not [[vandalism]]. Someone should pull up Manorainjan on his misleading and nonsensical edit summaries both here and his other edits. [[User:Databoy|Databoy]] ([[User talk:Databoy|talk]]) 12:37, 11 December 2016 (PST)
::'''Removal''' I'm not sure why you are removing things like [[:Category:Founded in 2010]]. We don't just keep info that is presently true but we try to make an overview of the history of the [[Wikisphere]] as well. It's fine to provide links to [[:Category:Archived|archived]] wikis or have categories on pages for wikis which are no longer live. If you know about how and why the site went down, then add it to the article. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 13:39, 11 December 2016 (PST)


::I definitely do not want to become admin! I'm wondering what active means, because there are admins listed which did not visit this Wiki within years. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 20:37, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
==Suspect mail configuration with mandrillapp.com==
I'm getting phishing warnings from my security software. The notification mails from WikiIndex are stragenly configured. The visible linktext in the mail is like
<nowiki>http://wikiindex.org/Category:Active_administrators_of_this_wiki</nowiki>
but behind this is hidden the link:
<pre style="overflow-x:scroll; overflow-y:hidden">
https://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30345700/wikiindex.org?p=eyJzIjoiX2kycEJ4SkRCaDJQVHFubzVCVWRVNXdrMEc0IiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDM0NTcwMCxcInZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvd2lraWluZGV4Lm9yZ1xcXC9DYXRlZ29yeTpBY3RpdmVfYWRtaW5pc3RyYXRvcnNfb2ZfdGhpc193aWtpXCIsXCJpZFwiOlwiY2JiNTllMDE3MTcxNGU2NGFiN2NiY2Q1YTYzNmY5NDJcIixcInVybF9pZHNcIjpbXCJlNDNjMDkyMDQ5NjcyMzRiYTIwYjM2M2ZmOTRmODhiNzczZjYwYzFjXCJdfSJ9</pre>


:::OK! ;-/
This is a technique normally used by scammers. Why do we have this in the mails and since when and who introduced that and for whos benefit? --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style=color:orange>Manorainjan</span>''']] 12:50, 8 May 2017 (PDT)
:::I guess you are comparing sysops listed in this category against our MediaWiki listing?  I don't think there is any hard and fast rule. I'm aware of one admin who barely edits these days, but regularly 'checks in' to make sure all is in order.  Do you have anyone in mind who ought to be trimmed from this category? [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 21:58, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


:::: You do a lot of guessing ;-) Why I'm asking is, because what I have in my mind how frequent an admin should show up or how contactable an admin should be differs widely from what I see here. Because of my idea what is the requirement I also do not want to become admin because I wouldn't fulfill it. I prefer to have my active phase here, while I have some time and then I got different things to do.[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 23:10, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
==How to deal with open proxies and anonymous IPs?==
:::::OK, I got it!  In reality, we are volunteers here, and so we arn't 'contracted' to be available on WikiIndex for X-amount of hours or days. Remember, we all have [[RealLives]] which can sometimes get in the way of our WikiIndex 'duties' :ppp  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 11:17, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
*How to deal with {{Wp|Open proxy}}s and [[IP editor|anonymous IPs]]?
I suggest to [[block]] all IP ranges of any known open proxies. Again, here we can learn from [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]]. We could save us a lot of hassle. Remember, that my "success" in totally enervating [[wiki:DaveVoorhis|Dave Voorhis]] was mainly based on the use of few open proxies and a script kid tool. ;-) --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style=color:orange>Manorainjan</span>''']] 03:49, 3 June 2017 (PDT)
:Generating a list of all [[IP address]]es from open proxies would be difficult--do you have such a list that already exists? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 09:15, 3 June 2017 (PDT)


==Funny place to be for an image==
::From the above mentioned wp article: {{Wp|Category:Open proxies blocked on Wikipedia}} --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style=color:orange>Manorainjan</span>''']] 09:19, 3 June 2017 (PDT)
http://wikiindex.org/images/c/ce/AsiaCommons_logo-topbann1.jpg
:::You're suggesting that we preemptively block 17,000+ IP addresses who haven't edited here? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 09:20, 3 June 2017 (PDT)
[[Asia Commons]]
[[File:AsiaCommonsWikiLogo.JPG]]
[[File:AsiaCommons logo-topbann1.jpg]]


http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Asia_Commons&diff=prev&oldid=26331
::::Regardless of the number of IPs in question, my opinion is, to block open proxies preemptively is in the long run, safer and less work, than dealing with destructive elements one by one. On the other hand I regard it as necessary to be absolutely transparent about which IPs are blocked here. The list of blocked IPs should be available to everyone and also the sources of the list should be named. Ideally it should be an automated function. I see two possibilities:
::::#To get the IPs from a knowledgeable service en block.
::::#To automatically test any IP - that would like to [[edit]] here or open an account - regarding open proxies and block it right away if it is an open proxy. Not without an error message telling that any kind of editing by use of open proxies is not permitted.  
::::{{Mw|Manual:Configuration settings#Proxies}} may com handy here. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style=color:orange>Manorainjan</span>''']] 10:13, 3 June 2017 (PDT)


Maybe someone can create a bot which can correct this kind of mistake. That could save hundrets of edits. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 01:12, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::I don't have access to the server, so the only option I have is manually blocking 17,000 times. Maybe Brandon, Mark, or Ray can help you or give me access. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 12:13, 3 June 2017 (PDT)
:'''Please elaborate''' I don't understand what the mistake is here. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 06:15, 16 August 2014 (UTC)


: When You look at the DIFF I linked to above, You see [[Sean Fennel]] replacing  'wiki_logo=' [[:Image:AsiaCommons logo-topbann1.jpg]] which was correct, with <nowiki> http://www.wikiindex.com/images/c/ce/AsiaCommons_logo-topbann1.jpg</nowiki> which would most likely be the server side location of the thumbnail of the correct logo picture. Therefore the file-page does not "know" that the logo is used by anyone. It looks deserted and may be deleted. Recently I marked several such pages as <nowiki>{{delete| unused}}</nowiki> which I now think should not be deleted until the funny links are corrected. I hope that can be done by a bot. The notorious inactive-template may have its aggravating effect on the confusion.  [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:38, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::I did not mean to create a lot of manual work for You. Regardless of the possible implications I wanted to bring up the topic of open proxies to '''all''' the [[Sysop|admins]]. I do not know, why You are the only one who responds. All the other admins should also be concerned with [[WikiIndex:Anti-spam measures|spam fighting]] and [[:Category:Security|security]] issues. Maybe You check with Your "fellow" admins if at all they are regularly reading this board? And it is in no way whatsoever, that any of the admins should help '''me'''. I'm not responsible for [[WikiIndex:Spam control policy|spam fighting]] and security issues, IP blocking or anything here at all. It is me who helps '''You''' admins by raising consciousness to the issue of open proxies. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style=color:orange>Manorainjan</span>''']] 14:14, 3 June 2017 (PDT)  
:: Are we sure to convert image urls into image links? I see there was a [[User talk:SeanBot#Image linking|consensus]] not to do so in 2006. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 17:15, 20 August 2014 (UTC)


:: I see not the least reason why this 'work' was done. And I see tons of reason why one should never do so. I assume that one problem which could not be fixed properly was covered up by another anomaly which now causes more problems as to be expected whenever one does not do the 'right' thing. So, anybody who can explain why one wanted to create a bot that was to mess with the image URLs? Actually what I was upon was to ask for a bot who would reverse the mess. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 19:46, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/70.71.90.6]] also at https://tools.WMFLabs.org/meta/stalktoy/70.71.90.6 is just another example of what I'm talking about. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style=color:orange>Manorainjan</span>''']] 06:35, 24 June 2017 (PDT)


::: Many years ago, but I am remembering why [[Sean Fennel]] wanted to do this. It links directly to the wiki instead of the image file, making it a better experience for folks.  I think we can now add something like "url link =" for file format, so it isn't as big of a concern, sending people to image file pages. Even though this is a [[Template:Inactive]] wiki now, the image link works like I described: [[Attitude Foods Wiki]]. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
==Inactivity of administrators==
:::: ''Some of the conversation is here http://wikiindex.org/User_talk:SeanBot#work_for_your_bot  and right below it, the talk about hard linking. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] ''
Hello. What {{U|Manorainjan}} said above made me think that there are many inactive admins on this wiki and I just wanted to tell you who they are. This is just a suggestion, you decide if they have to be demoted or not. :-)
::::: Would [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/YiFeiBot&dir=prev&offset=20130719002151&limit=5&target=YiFeiBot these bot edits] be okay for you guys? (File usage shown & logo links to target wiki) I will run this over [[:Category:All]]. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 23:45, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
The majority of them last edited in [[:Category:Account used in 2015|2015]] (which means two years of inactivity).
<div style=column-width:12em>
*[[User:Arcane]]
*[[User:Comets]]
*[[User:DavidCary]]
*[[User:Emijrp]]
*[[User:Emufarmers]]
*[[User:Peu]]
*[[User:Spud Gun]]
*[[User:TedErnst]]
*[[User:TeraS]]
*[[User:WikiIndexSysop]]
*[[User:Zhuyifei1999]]</div>
Thanks, --[[Special:Contributions/13Reasons|13Reasons]] ([[User talk:13Reasons|talk]]) 00:00, 4 June 2017 (PDT)


:::::: For me that is fine, because the image-page now lists the Wiki page where the logo is used. <small><span class=autosigned>— preceding [[Signature|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Manorainjan|contribs]]) – 00:31, 21 August 2014‎.</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:In the light of progressive thinking, one should not think of demotion but find out, why there is no activity. Every person will most likely have their own, their individual reasons for that. On the base of that information there could be the possibility of a reactivation.  To demote admins does not increase admin-activity. And to leave the admin status on an inactive user does not incur any kind of cost. [[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style=color:orange>Manorainjan</span>''']] 03:09, 4 June 2017 (PDT)
::::::: Any objections to start this task on August 23? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 23:54, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::: {{support}} ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


[[YiFei]] - your bot test looks fine in principle, but I ask two questions.
::''[message removed]
#Can you omit the <tt>|link=</tt> — I would much prefer to be able to click on the logo, and it go to the page file here on WikiIndex (otherwise, how else can we have a direct link to our own files?).  The big-text title next to the logo is more than adequate to link to the wiki.
#Can you amend the edit summary?  Something like <tt><nowiki>[[User:YiFeiBot|YiFeiBot]] (owned by [[YiFei]]) replaced bare URL of uploaded logo to [[wikilink]] of logo</nowiki></tt>??
If you can do those alterations, then run another small batch of say 10, then we can see how that works out.  If we agree, then you can unleash your bot!! ;-))))  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 23:20, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
:Sure, [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/YiFeiBot&dir=prev&offset=20140820234012&limit=10&target=YiFeiBot 10 test edits]. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 23:54, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
: I would much rather a logo link directly to the source.  I think it is a fair use of their property and it is better for the person web browsing than to end up on a page about an image file.  I don't see that adding anything to the project.  Even though it is a [[Wikipedia]] / [[MediaWiki]] standard. I am open to a group consensus though ( I was thrilled about [[YiFei]]'s suggestion I must say! :-). ~~ [[MarkDilley]] 
:: I like [[Hoof Hearted]]'s suggestion about an edit summary, here is my diff: <tt><nowiki>[[User:YiFeiBot|YiFeiBot]] (operated with community consent by [[YiFei]]) replaced bare URL of uploaded logo to [[wikilink]] of logo</nowiki></tt>  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


::: I think it's perfect to leave the linking of the logo as is, to the picture page here. And first of all, I only wanted the unorthodox URL of the Logo to get back to normal. But if You are thinking of different targets, then I suggest to let the target of the Wiki-URL open in another tab/window. I do not think, that most people who click on the name of the Wiki want to leave WiniIndex at that point. Everybody who edits the Entry dos not. I think, all links to external should open in another window b default. But that's another discussion! [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 01:33, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
:::Sure. And next we give {{u|Rock-O-Jello}} and {{‎u|Amanda}} backend access. Hahahah, what a crazy joke :-D
:::That was a bit to easy to find out from which crew You are ;-)
:::Open another account and try again! --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style=color:orange>Manorainjan</span>''']] 07:10, 4 June 2017 (PDT)


:::: ahhhh, I like that! ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
::::''[message removed]
::::: So, do I go with <nowiki>|link=</nowiki> or not? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 10:33, 23 August 2014 (UTC)


{{support}}[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 22:59, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::It is getting funnier by the hour ;-) While I hint You might be part of a crew, which is certainly no insult, unless You think that the other members of that crew are real lowlifes with whom You do not want to be associated in any way. On the other hand You call me mentally ill specifying this as {{Wp|Persecutory delusion}}. Obviously I've hit the mark here ;-) --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style=color:orange>Manorainjan</span>''']] 09:31, 4 June 2017 (PDT)


::::::''[message removed]


==Disruptive behavior towards Miraheze by Amanda==
Hello. I am requesting action taken (warning / interaction [[ban]] / [[block]]) about [[User:Amanda]]. They were banned by the [[:Category:Miraheze|Miraheze]] community for disrupting the project. They were given many chances, but failed by using [[sockpuppet]]s. Since they are banned, they continuously [[spam]] our channels as well as other test wiki channels, and wikis. Now they have come here to disrupt the [[Miraheze]] page, as well as my own [[user page]] which I find unacceptable. [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 21:54, 8 August 2017 (PDT)
:Thank you for the heads-up. I have just blocked the troublemaker in question and will take any further remedial action needed to curb their little reign of [[vandal]] terror. [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 05:56, 9 August 2017 (PDT)


@[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]], [[Sean]], [[Mark]]: Last thing: Do I go with <nowiki>|link=</nowiki> or not? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 06:50, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
==[[:Category:Search engine|Search engine optimisation]] for [[WikiIndex]] on [[:Category:Google|Google]]==
:You mean like what they talk about [[mw:Help:Images#Altering the default link target|here]]? Host the image file locally, but have it externally link to the remote wiki? [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 12:55, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Found a very handy, and very important issue regarding [[:Category:Search engine|SEO]] for [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] sites.  Rather than reinventing the wheel, the page on [[MediaWiki.org]] is this: {{Mw|Manual:generateSitemap.php}}.  Basically, it will generate a specific site map of WikiIndex.org for use by spiders and crawlers.


Let's make my POV clear.  When we upload a logo or other image file here to WikiIndex, if it is copyright and we claim [[fair use]], then ideally we should include the url of the originating image file on our file page.  Those said logos / images we have uploaded should ALWAYS be used on other WikiIndex articles by way of ONLY <tt><nowiki>[[wikilink]]s</nowiki></tt> (and never a bare url). The logo shown in our infobox, when 'hovered' with our mouse pointer, will effectively show a 'plainlinks' link - and therefore when clicked on, should go to our own uploaded version (if it is copyright, the viewer can then click on the off-site link if they wish - which clearly shows the 'double arrow' icon).  Still on our own articles, if a viewer wishes to go directly to that wiki, then they can click on any of the top four external urls (to the right of the logo [when not in wide logo format], which have the double arrow icon at the end of their url, which is the standard for external off-site urls).  We do NOT want all wikilinked logos to go off-site when clicked on, as described in the above example by [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]].  So that means NO to <nowiki>|link=</nowiki>.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 12:42, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Do we have this included and enabled here on WikiIndex? And how often is it updated?


===Vote for [[User:YiFeiBot|YiFeiBot]] to change logos to [[wikilink]]s===
Thoughts and comments please! --[[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 05:27, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
Voting about [[User:YiFeiBot|YiFeiBot]] changing access to our files in [[:Category:WikiLogo]] via Logo-URL to <tt><nowiki>[[File:Your wiki logo.jgp]]</nowiki></tt>.
 
{|class=wikitable
!action!!example!!your vote
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|Leave as is||<nowiki>http://wikiindex.org/images/4/41/ACDCWikiLogo.jpg</nowiki>||
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|Start [[User:YiFeiBot|YiFeiBot]]||<nowiki>[[File:ACDCWikiLogo.jpg]]</nowiki>||{{support}}[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]), {{support}} [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]), {{support}} [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] ([[User talk:TeraS|talk]]), {{neutral}} [[User:Sweetie Belle|Sweetie Belle]] ([[User talk:Sweetie Belle|talk]]), {{support}} [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> • {{support}} [[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]]
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|No opinion||?||
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|Continue 'endless' discussion||..............||{{support}}[[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]]
|}
: Thanks, {{done|Running}} --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 03:25, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 
I like the File:Name|Link= solution. I do not think that linking to the file image page serves the wiki community.  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
: Both have pros and cons, uploaded files can be categorized, hotlinked files save extra work and wiki space... --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 12:41, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
::[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]], this discussion is only about logos which have already been uploaded here on WikiIndex, and how we link to them in the article infobox. ;-)<br>[[Mark]], your method defies the common principles which differ between external links and [[wikilink]]s, and '''''is''''' a detriment to the wiki community!  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 13:02, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
::: I'll go with the one without "<nowiki>|link=</nowiki>" per the majority above. Sorry, Mark. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 10:35, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
:::: {{done}} some time ago --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:50, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 
No need to be sorry, but I take issue with Sean's statement that linking to the wiki through the image is detrimental to the wiki community.  Where is the backing for such, an outrageous, statement. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
:maybe You can discuss this with him in private? (just trying not to have ForestFire ;-) After coming to a resolution You can both publish it here. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])
 
Getting back to the topic of displaying logos at WikiIndex:
I think we all agree that after a local copy of a logo has been uploaded to the WikiIndex,
any WikiIndex page that displays that logo should use the syntax that begins "<tt><nowiki>[[Image:...</nowiki></tt>"
rather than the syntax that begins "<tt><nowiki>http://www.wikiindex.com/images...</nowiki></tt>",
even though both display identically the same local copy of that logo.
 
Could someone summarize the "right" way(s) of logo linking on the [[WikiProject:Logos]] page?
Thanks.
--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 16:24, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
 
== Getting the email function to work for all ==
=== Table of results ===
All chat about e-mail now collected here -> [[Help talk:E-mail]]
 
== Protection ==
moved to [[WikiIndex talk:Deleting pages]]
 
== [[User:Llwy-ar-lawr|Llwy-ar-lawr]] ==
 
I discovered the existence of this article just now. I've nominated it for deletion because it's not under my real name--as my understanding is that you prefer such articles to be under real names, and I prefer not to give out mine--and it mentions nothing about me except the biased claim that I started a 'war' and the fact that I am a former administrator of a relatively obscure, non-notable wiki. ('Uncyclopedia' refers to the forked version, which some consider an impostor and all know to be less popular than its Wikia-hosted sister.) If there is to be an article on me lurking somewhere, I would prefer that it not come off as an attack, as this one does; but I also prefer that such articles not exist.
 
I've since turned up several other pseudonymous articles, all of which appear to have been copied here by {{u|Sweetie Belle}} from Mature Spongebob Fanon Wiki. Many of them have deletion tags on them and all seem rather poorly written. As the articles in [[:Category:Pages for deletion]] have often been there for a few days, and I'm confused as to what to do, I thought I'd drop a note here. My apologies if this is the wrong place. [[User:Llwy-ar-lawr|Llwy-ar-lawr]] ([[User talk:Llwy-ar-lawr|talk]]) 03:11, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
 
== Policy pages ==
 
I suggest
* to have another [[:Category:Policy]] which indicates a higher level of binding than [[:Category:Guidelines]]
* protect the editing of those pages limited to [[Sysop]]s under the policy that content is added only after discussion and decision.
** and if possible not protect the editing of the associated talk pages to allow input to the discussion from everywhere. Or alternatively associate extra talk pages to them to allow 'common' input.
* Add a [[:Category:SysopEditOnly]] to all pages that can only be edited by Sysops, so that on can see this limitation before attempting to edit them.
[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 
:I suggest we not; that would be contrary to the instructions set out at [[WikiIndex:Protected page]]. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 17:48, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 
This 'instructions' are mainly written by You and not valid policy agreed upon by the community and therefore subject to frequent change and therefore baseless as arguments to support Your suggestion. Do You really think we would not see the all so obvious intention and style of Your edits on account of Your recursive argumentation? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 22 September 2014
 
:Wikis develop policy in two major ways: the first is through actual practice and the second is through statements of policy. Some wikis have an "authority" whose decisions are the ultimate basis for policy. Some don't. However, it's generally true for wikis that anyone may document existing practice. As part of this sometimes norms are stated. Unless there has been some formal approval process, such statements are not necessarily binding; however, if they stand unchallenged for a long time, and if they represent actual practice, looking at the edit history and noting that the changes were made by one person is not a collaborative approach to wiki function. If it's wrong, fix it! However, again, "fixing" a long-standing policy would not be a great idea unless the fix enjoys some level of consensus. Always, it's worked out by editors who collaborate so that the "instructions" to users and administrators are clean and, in the end, do enjoy consensus.
 
:It is also generally true on wikis that even established policy is not some sort of proof that an action is "wrong." Rather, good policy will reflect a general consensus, so that users may be warned that an action may not be supported by the community, so that they don't waste their time. Policy becomes especially important as to setting restraints on administrators. "Administrator" is generally a volunteer position, and to become administrators, usually individuals will promise to serve consensus, but it is very easy to fall into "I'm consensus." So administrators should ideally be very careful about violating policy, and do so only with consultation with the community, preferable in advance, but otherwise immediately.
 
:Leucosticte has very broad and extensive wiki experience, since before I first knew him, which was roughly in 2007. Yes, he has often ended up entangled in disputes, but he still has broad knowledge. It may appear that Leucosticte attempted to use policy language he created as an argument. However, in fact, he was just pointing out the contradiction, and suggesting that the policy guide -- or, I'd add, that the policy be changed.
 
:The only edit of Leucosticte to that page was [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex:Protected_page&diff=183811&oldid=37226]. What he wrote there would be a common, standard wiki policy. Accusing him of some personal agenda in that, with no actual discussion or attempt to change the page, was out of order and uncivil. What he wrote still stands, having been expanded by an administrator. Ironically, the admin protected the page with Leucosticte's material incorporated. Under those conditions, of course, the page may still be changed through suggestions on the attached Talk page. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 20:45, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 
The said admin was Sean who was out of his mind around that time and did several edits hastily. He is not active here any more. And I could not correct it ;-)  [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:56, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 
== Problem with Troublesome WikiIndex User ==
A small heads-up:  One of your users, a [[User:Manorainjan]], arrived on [[WardsWiki]] a couple of weeks ago, tucked into gnoming for a bit, and then decided to start putting CategoryNone on all 16,000 or so uncategorised pages.  Several of us asked him to stop and at least discuss whether his actions were needed or not, but he insisted on continuing and grew increasingly belligerent, uncooperative and rude, so he was banned. 
 
Due to the old Wiki software involved, enforcing a ban is performed by a 'bot that automatically reverts the banned user based on various heuristics.  Now [[User:Manorainjan]] is persistently trying to get around the 'bot, and is still trying to put CategoryNone on various pages.  It's all rather laughable, though it's a tad irritating because the [[WardsWiki]] RecentChanges is getting rather cluttered with his efforts.
 
Obviously, there's not much that can be done about it other than let him run out of steam, but I thought it might be worth mentioning in case he causes trouble elsewhere and folks start looking to see if there's a prior history. [[Special:Contributions/195.194.178.2|195.194.178.2]] 18:17, 12 November 2014 (UTC) Dave Voorhis
: Ok, thanks for letting us know. --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 21:33, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 
As of November 31, 2014, [[User:Manorainjan]] is spamming [[WardsWiki]] with repeated attempts to restore approximately ten pages that he created -- and which were deleted -- when he was banned.  The pages are content-free, consisting mainly of mockery and links to Dilbert cartoons, so his behaviour is vandalism. [[Special:Contributions/195.194.178.2|195.194.178.2]] 17:38, 1 December 2014 (UTC) Dave Voorhis
 
:I have only one comment to this:
* When Dave wants to talk to me about [[WikiWikiWeb]] matters, he can do son my [http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ManorainjanHolzapfelTalk talk page] there. Oh, I see, he deleted it ... bad luck!
* There is no logic in bothering admins of other wikis with his problems local to WikiWikiWeb. He could have complained to admins on [Wikipedia] as well or call my mother ,-)
[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 19:56, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 
It's not a complaint to the admins here, but -- as I wrote above -- it's a "heads up", i.e., a warning.  It's also evidence of a pattern of behaviour if you do similar things elsewhere. [[Special:Contributions/195.194.178.2|195.194.178.2]] 20:34, 1 December 2014 (UTC) Dave Voorhis
:It's an accusation, not evidence (I didn't see any diffs), and the portion of the pattern of behavior that occurred off of this wiki is irrelevant to this wiki. A user who does poorly on one wiki may do very well on another. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 22:20, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
::'''Thanks''' As an admin here along with [[User:Peu]], I appreciate the heads-up. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 01:17, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 
*What I notice here is the site of this notice. WikiIndex has never, to my understanding, developed coherent structure. The report here might have belonged on Wikipedia on WP:AN. However, a lot of damage has been done on Wikipedia through anon edits which alleged stuff about a user that then attracts everyone who ever had a problem with the user to pile in. I'm a bit concerned about encouraging anonymous attack. However, it appears that this person did identify himself, and Manorainjan effectively confirmed that identification. So we can take this as a heads-up from a fellow wiki administrator. Leucosticte is generally correct that it is a strong tradition on wikis to give users a chance to collaborate on a new wiki, and often they are successful there, where they were not successful on another wiki. People learn, and sometimes people also run into wiki dysfunction on the old wiki that doesn't exist on the new one, or that is not dominating. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 20:52, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 
I never regarded this lamenting as anonymous. Even unsigned the first times (on my talk page) it was clearly Dave. But it is not a heads-up at all. Admins of this wiki know me sufficiently. I had been banned here and did not keep mum either. If any heads-up would have been of any use, it would have been Dave who should have got one from here before I went to edit WikiWikiWeb ;-) That might have saved him in time from the delusion that "hard-banning" me on an account-less wiki would save him any time in discussion with me. So, his head actually hangs down and he is only complaining uselessly out of helplessness. He still hopes, more coding to harden the ban will solve the conflict. Also I like to add, that I'm successful on that wiki. I'm still working on it, using it and are learning a lot. Dave gives me just the right amount of resistance and friction that I need for my purposes. Funny thing is, that even after being hard-banned there and after he hoped to never see me again, he calls me here a WikiWikiWeb user. ;-) [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 22:16, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
:Manorainjan, in his editing of this section, demonstrated "problem-user" behavior.[http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Manorainjan&oldid=186346#Altering_comments_of_others] I am seeing evidence that the incivility and combativeness of this user may have done severe damage to WikiIndex. Such users may lead administrators to err, as one aspect of the damage, and WikiIndex may have lost [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] over this. The response above shows a complete lack of respect for the right of a wiki community, through its administrators, to maintain order. It is not about "keeping mum." It is about cooperation, and collaboration, the purposes of wikis. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 23:40, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 
== Request for undeletion ==
 
I request [[WikiIndex:Inclusion policy]] to be undeleted together with its original history. the deletion was not warranted. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 11:11, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
:'''Undeletion''' I won't oppose it if another admin wants to undelete but I don't understand the purpose of it when a discussion about policy is already happening in the first place. Drafting up policy is fine and well and it's not necessarily a bad thing if someone writes it unilaterally but if it's done while a discussion is happening about that proposed policy and posted in the WikiIndex: namespace, then it smacks of bad faith to me. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 11:35, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 
This page was not spam and it was no danger to wiki. Therefore the single handed deletion was unwaranted. For this simple reason it should be restored, no matter what kind of discussion is or was going on wherever. The way to deal with this page has to be different. For example:
* Adding a note that this is a proposed policy and not a valid one
* moving the proposed policy to the talk side
* asking the author to correct his mistake to pose a proposed policy as a valid one.
Just to name 3 possible ways to deal with conten a registered user created. Deletion is no way to fight opposing opinions. That could and should be regarded as misuse of power. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 12:54, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 
: I restored it, it has only 1 revision and seem not to help very much... --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 13:01, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 
I do not think this wiki will explode if we let it so for a day and give Nathan time to do better. ;-) [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 13:14, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 
:Koavf is an administrator without broad administrative experience. I recommend this to him: be very careful about using your tools when you have strong opinions about a user. "Suspecting bad faith" would not be a reason for deletion. If you thought the page was inappropriate in the WikiIndex namespace, moving it to the WikiIndex talk space would have been a quick fix, that would not involve use of admin tools. Deletion in this case created a reasonable suspicion that you were using-tools-while-involved. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 20:56, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 
== Theme Park Insider ==
 
I see that WikiIndex once had an article [[Theme Park Insider]]
(using the logo [[:image:Themeparkinsiderlogo.gif]])
until a WikiIndex administrator deleted it.
 
If there never was a wiki there, then I agree that is completely off-topic and that administrator did the right thing.
 
However, the page
[http://www.themeparkinsider.com/news/response.cfm?ID=2230 "New 'Wiki' Articles on Park Guide Pages"]
seems to imply that, at least back in 2005, there was once a wiki there.
If so, then perhaps [[Theme Park Insider]] should be undeleted,
and then added to [[:category: dead]]
as per the rough-draft [[WikiIndex:Inclusion policy]]
and
[[WikiIndex:How do you categorize a wiki that is no longer]].
 
Should I undelete and categorize this page myself?
--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 06:07, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
:'''Categorizing''' I took a look myself and didn't see any wiki content but they did at least mention having a wiki about a decade ago. I think your course is appropriate. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 06:20, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 
:: Since there are no objections, I went ahead and undeleted [[Theme Park Insider]] and categorized it in accordance with the rough-draft [[WikiIndex:Inclusion policy]], [[WikiIndex:How do you categorize a wiki that is no longer]], [[User talk:Elassint#Deleting Wiki from WikiIndex]], [[:Category: Wiki Status]], etc. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 20:50, 24 April 2015 (PDT)
 
== I plan to unblock IP 173.255.192.138 ==
 
I blocked this IP [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex_talk:Community_portal&diff=prev&oldid=186926 for harrassment/trolling]. I have since been contacted by the user of that IP via a private IRC chat and we had a long discussion about what is and what is not appropriate behavior on WikiIndex and they have promised to show more discretion and civility and have acknowledged they should have done so in the first place. With that in mind, I am releasing the block pursuant to their continued display of good faith. [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 23:54, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
: Seems perfectly reasonable, Thanks for the message. I see now [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3A173.255.192.138 you've decided] to do so. --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 08:38, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 
== We may need to make changes to our blocking policy ==
 
[http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk%3AArcane&diff=188054&oldid=188053 See here for more information as to the specifics], but I found I could not change a block to let someone edit their talk page only, and while I'm not entirely sure we should do away with infinite blocks, Michaeldsuarez does bring up some valid points I feel we should consider. [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 20:27, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
:'''Agreed''' Blocking to edit talk pages is a good idea. Alternately, we can encourage blocked users to contact admins via posting as an IP (although that does not respect users' privacy) or sending e-mail through WikiIndex (although that is not transparent). [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 20:33, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
::I would recommend a six-month maximum on blocks. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 20:51, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
:::'''Block maximum''' Why? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 21:19, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
::::For the reasons specified at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Standard_offer#Purposes [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 21:51, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
'''sending e-mail through WikiIndex''' is blocked as well. I tried it, when I was blocked. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:01, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
==Vandal and impersonator - please block and revert==
[[User:Mike Rosoft]] is a vandal and impersonator account - an account of a cross-wiki vandal ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:David_Beals David Beals]) whose modus operandi is to spam images and videos of ceiling fans, often by overwriting existing images, and then to bring attention to his own vandalism (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ddndnfnd&oldid=668211186]). He also harasses administrators who take action against him - including me - such as by creating impersonator accounts. (*I* am the Wikipedia user [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Rosoft Mike Rosoft].)
 
Please revert his overwriting of [[:File:Lead follow or get out of the way.jpg]] and [[:File:Carl mcbride.jpg]], and block the user. - [[Special:Contributions/85.17.24.66|85.17.24.66]] 21:18, 22 June 2015 (PDT)
:Thanks, I was asking Koavf for come action, but did so myself --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 21:25, 22 June 2015 (PDT)

Latest revision as of 17:29, 11 January 2023

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Archived discussions — 2008–2009, 2010–2011, 2012–2013, 2014–2015.

wF asking from others what we do not provide ourselves?[edit]

Since the server move and including update of the software we do not provide the popular-pages function any more, needed to determine the wikiFactor. This functionality is not any more included in the general MediaWiki software. One needs to install it a add-on. But we do not have this add-on. That looks quite inconsistent to me. --Manorainjan 16:22, 19 April 2016 (PDT)

Can you provide a link to the add-on? Then we can ask Brandon to install it. ~~ MarkDilley (21 April 2016)
Thedugganaut had informed us about the exclusion of this functionality on 26 May 2015, a day after it happened. A month later Extension:HitCounters became available. I left the info here: Talk:WikiFactor#New versions of WikiMedia no longer have popular pages page --Manorainjan 09:08, 18 August 2016 (PDT)

Merging of articles[edit]

Please someone merge these two: Category:Body modification and possibly take another look in Category:Articles to be merged. --Manorainjan 09:06, 18 August 2016 (PDT)

Took first step. ~~ MarkDilley

BrandonCsSanders[edit]

Seems he is dead. No reaction, even on direct email since one year. --Manorainjan 04:49, 22 August 2016 (PDT)

So, nobody knows his whereabouts? Manorainjan 03:54, 15 September 2016 (PDT)

Verification of new accounts[edit]

In the light of such announcements: ** WARNING !!! I AM CURRENTLY BEING IMPERSONATED BY SEVERAL SCAMMERS !!! ** one should check the validity of new accounts like User:DSwissK.

Currently there seems do be no procedure of verification whatsoever. How You want to deal with that? --Manorainjan 03:01, 18 October 2016 (PDT)

I verified this account by emailing them from one of their wiki accounts elsewhere. This method is probably not perfect. I don't see verification of accounts to be an issue here. MarkDilley
Mark, please be precise! Do not say "elsewhere". What account did You take? Manorainjan 06:54, 18 October 2016 (PDT)

Pages for deletion[edit]

Is any of the admins taking care if this? --Manorainjan 16:43, 18 November 2016 (PST)

From time to time? On a regular basis? --Manorainjan 20:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
There are 17 Pages waiting to be processed ... --Manorainjan 00:49, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Argopaedia[edit]

Please protect that wiki page, not the talk page, in order to protect it against erosion of this information. --Manorainjan 12:19, 11 December 2016 (PST)

Manorainjan is inserting and maintaining false information. The website is neither active and no longer a wiki. To suggest otherwise is a lie. His edit summaries are also false. To restore the article to it's long held status is not vandalism. Someone should pull up Manorainjan on his misleading and nonsensical edit summaries both here and his other edits. Databoy (talk) 12:37, 11 December 2016 (PST)
Removal I'm not sure why you are removing things like Category:Founded in 2010. We don't just keep info that is presently true but we try to make an overview of the history of the Wikisphere as well. It's fine to provide links to archived wikis or have categories on pages for wikis which are no longer live. If you know about how and why the site went down, then add it to the article. Koavf (talk) 13:39, 11 December 2016 (PST)

Suspect mail configuration with mandrillapp.com[edit]

I'm getting phishing warnings from my security software. The notification mails from WikiIndex are stragenly configured. The visible linktext in the mail is like 

http://wikiindex.org/Category:Active_administrators_of_this_wiki

but behind this is hidden the link: 

https://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30345700/wikiindex.org?p=eyJzIjoiX2kycEJ4SkRCaDJQVHFubzVCVWRVNXdrMEc0IiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDM0NTcwMCxcInZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvd2lraWluZGV4Lm9yZ1xcXC9DYXRlZ29yeTpBY3RpdmVfYWRtaW5pc3RyYXRvcnNfb2ZfdGhpc193aWtpXCIsXCJpZFwiOlwiY2JiNTllMDE3MTcxNGU2NGFiN2NiY2Q1YTYzNmY5NDJcIixcInVybF9pZHNcIjpbXCJlNDNjMDkyMDQ5NjcyMzRiYTIwYjM2M2ZmOTRmODhiNzczZjYwYzFjXCJdfSJ9

This is a technique normally used by scammers. Why do we have this in the mails and since when and who introduced that and for whos benefit? --Manorainjan 12:50, 8 May 2017 (PDT)

How to deal with open proxies and anonymous IPs?[edit]

I suggest to block all IP ranges of any known open proxies. Again, here we can learn from Wikipedia. We could save us a lot of hassle. Remember, that my "success" in totally enervating Dave Voorhis was mainly based on the use of few open proxies and a script kid tool. ;-) --Manorainjan 03:49, 3 June 2017 (PDT)

Generating a list of all IP addresses from open proxies would be difficult--do you have such a list that already exists? Koavf (talk) 09:15, 3 June 2017 (PDT)
From the above mentioned wp article: Category:Open proxies blocked on Wikipedia --Manorainjan 09:19, 3 June 2017 (PDT)
You're suggesting that we preemptively block 17,000+ IP addresses who haven't edited here? Koavf (talk) 09:20, 3 June 2017 (PDT)
Regardless of the number of IPs in question, my opinion is, to block open proxies preemptively is in the long run, safer and less work, than dealing with destructive elements one by one. On the other hand I regard it as necessary to be absolutely transparent about which IPs are blocked here. The list of blocked IPs should be available to everyone and also the sources of the list should be named. Ideally it should be an automated function. I see two possibilities:
  1. To get the IPs from a knowledgeable service en block.
  2. To automatically test any IP - that would like to edit here or open an account - regarding open proxies and block it right away if it is an open proxy. Not without an error message telling that any kind of editing by use of open proxies is not permitted.
Manual:Configuration settings#Proxies may com handy here. --Manorainjan 10:13, 3 June 2017 (PDT)
I don't have access to the server, so the only option I have is manually blocking 17,000 times. Maybe Brandon, Mark, or Ray can help you or give me access. Koavf (talk) 12:13, 3 June 2017 (PDT)
I did not mean to create a lot of manual work for You. Regardless of the possible implications I wanted to bring up the topic of open proxies to all the admins. I do not know, why You are the only one who responds. All the other admins should also be concerned with spam fighting and security issues. Maybe You check with Your "fellow" admins if at all they are regularly reading this board? And it is in no way whatsoever, that any of the admins should help me. I'm not responsible for spam fighting and security issues, IP blocking or anything here at all. It is me who helps You admins by raising consciousness to the issue of open proxies. --Manorainjan 14:14, 3 June 2017 (PDT)

Special:Contributions/70.71.90.6 also at https://tools.WMFLabs.org/meta/stalktoy/70.71.90.6 is just another example of what I'm talking about. --Manorainjan 06:35, 24 June 2017 (PDT)

Inactivity of administrators[edit]

Hello. What Manorainjan said above made me think that there are many inactive admins on this wiki and I just wanted to tell you who they are. This is just a suggestion, you decide if they have to be demoted or not. :-) The majority of them last edited in 2015 (which means two years of inactivity).

Thanks, --13Reasons (talk) 00:00, 4 June 2017 (PDT)

In the light of progressive thinking, one should not think of demotion but find out, why there is no activity. Every person will most likely have their own, their individual reasons for that. On the base of that information there could be the possibility of a reactivation. To demote admins does not increase admin-activity. And to leave the admin status on an inactive user does not incur any kind of cost. Manorainjan 03:09, 4 June 2017 (PDT)
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Sure. And next we give Rock-O-Jello and Amanda backend access. Hahahah, what a crazy joke :-D
That was a bit to easy to find out from which crew You are ;-)
Open another account and try again! --Manorainjan 07:10, 4 June 2017 (PDT)
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It is getting funnier by the hour ;-) While I hint You might be part of a crew, which is certainly no insult, unless You think that the other members of that crew are real lowlifes with whom You do not want to be associated in any way. On the other hand You call me mentally ill specifying this as Persecutory delusion. Obviously I've hit the mark here ;-) --Manorainjan 09:31, 4 June 2017 (PDT)
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Disruptive behavior towards Miraheze by Amanda[edit]

Hello. I am requesting action taken (warning / interaction ban / block) about User:Amanda. They were banned by the Miraheze community for disrupting the project. They were given many chances, but failed by using sockpuppets. Since they are banned, they continuously spam our channels as well as other test wiki channels, and wikis. Now they have come here to disrupt the Miraheze page, as well as my own user page which I find unacceptable. Reception123 (talk) 21:54, 8 August 2017 (PDT)

Thank you for the heads-up. I have just blocked the troublemaker in question and will take any further remedial action needed to curb their little reign of vandal terror. Arcane (talk) 05:56, 9 August 2017 (PDT)

Search engine optimisation for WikiIndex on Google[edit]

Found a very handy, and very important issue regarding SEO for MediaWiki sites. Rather than reinventing the wheel, the page on MediaWiki.org is this: Manual:generateSitemap.php. Basically, it will generate a specific site map of WikiIndex.org for use by spiders and crawlers.

Do we have this included and enabled here on WikiIndex? And how often is it updated?

Thoughts and comments please! --Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • Admin / 'Crat • talk2HH 05:27, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

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