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==Mark Dilley wins another victory in the fight against unnecessary complexity==
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I guess I was expecting dozens of people to each insert their pet peeve into the [[WikiIndex talk:Blocking and banning policy#draft blocking policy proposal]], making it balloon up into a huge monster of complexity.
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==about us==
I am pleasantly surprised that you made it shorter.  Also, it makes me happy that you deleted my negative language about "warning" and replaced it with a more positive alternative. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 01:44, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
===community.info===
[[:Category:Wiki People|People involved with wiki]]
* [[Community Portal|Front door]]


===watchlists===
== The value of discussion ==
* [[WorkInProgress]]
Discussion is also work, unless not completed and hanging in the air for years. Even then it is work, only without result. Naturally it is easier to do little edits here and there and consider that as work with results rather than coming to a conclusion in a debate since the later requires more staying power.


===featured content===
I do not mind if anybody improves my statements on a talk page like better link format. But whatever I write there should not be changed in the wording and left with my signature. That would be forgery, that is not me any more. My statements are not articles to be edited. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 20:27, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
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==news==
When I count amongst my last 100 edits only 20% is discussion, the rest, 80% is "work" ;-) How is Your work-count? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:08, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
* '''''"Building communities worth having!"''''', February 3-5, 2006, Portland, Oregon. Join us at [[RecentChangesCamp]] ... at the [http://www.uplace.pdx.edu/ University Place Conference Center]
* weblog: [http://RecentChanges.info RecentChanges.Info]
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====related====
: I really am not getting into an argument about discussion and work.  :-) ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
* [[:Category:TourBusStop|TourBusSystem]], [[:Category:WikiNode|WikiNode]], [[LocalNames]]
:: You are not getting into it, You where the one who started it in the first place. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:11, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
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::: Manorainjan, maybe it's a second language thing, but the tone of your words seems hostile. Might I suggest you take a rest from this subject? --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] ([[User talk:MarvelZuvembie|talk]]) 21:16, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
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::: I do not think it's about tone. But if You think, You can explain it. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:26, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
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== references ==
::: I apologize, I didn't mean to say that discussion was not work, when in fact it is sometimes the hardest work. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
* [[AntiSpamMeasures]] by wiki engine
* [[:Category:Browse|Browse]]
* [[Community talk]] - make suggestions and proposals here
* [[Magic Words]] for use in pages
* [[WikiIndexFaq]] - Ask your quesions here.
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==note==
::: Sometimes? ;-) For every work there is a competence to aquire that makes it easier if not possible at all. [http://www.pmsa.de/NonviolentCommunication/ NVC] and sorry for late reply, I was busy with "work" ;-) [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 23:21, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Please keep this list '''alphabetized'''. Try to make sure the columns stay even (unless there is an odd number of listings). Also, the link to the current collaboration should be a template that you can update without directly editing the Community Portal.
* 了解!--[[User:Msnhinet8|Msnhinet8]] ([[User talk:Msnhinet8|talk]]) 23:39, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
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===How community works===
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* [[Meatball:WhyWikiWorks]] is what I was so poorly trying to get to. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


<blockquote> "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." is one of seven quotes inscribed on the walls at the gravesite of John F. Kennedy at Arlington National Cemetery. </blockquote>


==Discussion==
In that spirit it does not bring forward community feeling by howling that one is not part of it but by active participation and invitation for others to participate. Now, on the one hand You are acting [http://languageofcompassion.com/resources/take-a-look-at-kellys-book/#sample%20chapters 'nice'] by welcoming new users and telling <b>them</b> to [[BeBold]]. But on several occasions where I acted semi-bold and discussed a change with a 'senior' user You where howling [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Hoof_Hearted&diff=179561&oldid=179539#Template:Inactive 'I am not involved in the conversation']. So, what I did was [http://wikiindex.org/WikiIndex_talk:Community_portal#Template:Inactive to shift this topic in front] and invited the community to discuss it there. Now the question arises why didn't You do that in the first place, being more senior and obviously feeling the need for participation showing me HowTo CommunityCate? Now, I went further and [http://wikiindex.org/User_talk:Msnhinet8 informed other Users who obviously did not take note of this discussion].  Rather than supporting the unfinished discussion You started to discourage my efforts by belittling the value of discussion calling then 'endless' which is an euphemism for useless and without result and contradicting discussion with 'work' as a symbol for productivity. Also You potentially started a separation of 'me' and what I do (endless discussion) and what You call 'we' and what actually You personally allegedly are doing. this is neither 'wok' AKA little edits here and there nor promoting community AKA discussion for finding solutions with which everybody can live nicely.


What do folks think about [[Front door]] as an alternate to [[Community portal]].
What You got to do now is, to find Your inner motivation what drove You to disturb constructive discussions and then redirect this motivation into a more productive strategy that supports the progress of a community. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 13:34, 14 August 2014 (UTC)


== Ohai Mark ==
Sincerely, Johnny. [[User:Sweetie Belle|Sweetie Belle]] ([[User talk:Sweetie Belle|talk]]) 23:53, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


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== Should we have alternative infoboxes besides Template:Wiki? ==
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Discussion [[WikiIndex talk:Community portal#Alternative Infoboxes|here]]. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] ([[User talk:MarvelZuvembie|talk]]) 19:36, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
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== Recent Changes ==
== Improving the community ==
[[WikiIndex talk:Community portal#Discussion with results AKA work .3B-.29|Discussion with results AKA work ;-)]] Any suggestions? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


[[Help:Recent changes]] and point it to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Recent_changes, thus utilizing wikis that are already documented.  Do one for tags and other browse functions.
== [[WikiIndex talk:Community talk#Request account - real name]] ==
Do You know the answer?[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


Recursive Nature of Wiki example.  Having recent changes be more consisted with the site, i.e. template with a wiki on it? Or have it point to the meta wiki media. or both.
Regarding Your 'envisioning' the Community portal to be of any use for community or discussion, how shall this question [[WikiIndex talk:Opt out]] be treated, how would the community be 'notified' about it? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 14:35, 4 September 2014 (UTC)


== Mission statement for the website ==
== eMail ==
What happened to the fixing of email functionality for this Wiki?[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 12:51, 7 September 2014 (UTC)


: Upgrading to a clean install of the latest stable version was hoped to have resolved that issue.  It hasn't.  That is the place where we are at now. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


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You told me, that some user account do not have this problems. From there I concluded, that it is not a software problem. the Problem sits in the net. It got to do with mail servers and blacklists.[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])
http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?MissionStatement
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Starting point suggestions:
PS: When this update was done?


==Ground Level, The Wiki Way==
: Last year was the latest [[upgrade]]. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


1 - To build community amoung people who are using wikis to self organize information that is of interest to them.
{{done}} see [[WikiIndex:Community_portal]] [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 23:02, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


2 - By helping to build that community, the WikiIndex will become more accurate and more of a WikiNode for other information types.
== Too late ==
https://WikiIndex.org/User_talk:W812949
[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


3 - [[NonViolentCommunication]] skills be thought of a standard for this type of communication.
== Wikipediaphobie? ==
Wikipedia has no page about us: {{Wp|List of wikis}}


4 - Think about how the [[ExperiencedInteractionWithInexperience]] dynamic plays out in real life and online.
And then the ivory tower inhabitants wonder why this Wiki does not grow a stronger user base within the said 8+ years...
Who is the PR secretary of this one-horse town? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 22:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


5 - The current few months of this wiki development is in brainstorm mode.  [[MarkDilley]], [[Raymond King]] started off the brainstorming for the wiki, by deciding on a set template for the pages and a vision to get them filled in with a strong data set. Then to start working on processes and the such after that. 
== [[User:Robin Patterson]] ==
Do You know what role Robin Patterson played in the founding phase of WikiIndex? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 23:27, 11 September 2014 (UTC)


6 - All edits are [[SuggestedEdits]].  If a dispute occurs, such as an [[EditWar]], people can rely on their creative energies to come up with solutions, for example [[Versioning]].
Robin helped with [[SwitchWiki]] and jumped over to [[WikiIndex]] for a bit. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


:Sounds like a founding member to me, if he was already engaged on the preceding project. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


== [[Proposal:WikiIndex Pages on indexed Wikis|Great discussion :-)]] ==
... You said 2007 ...


==community building system for wiki==
Was there any result? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 07:37, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
So I have this idea for a [[Community Page]] that would be something like [[WhatILearnedOnWikiToday]] which is just stories on a wiki page, like a weblog, reverse dated, pile the next one on top.  I think it would be a way to share what we learn about, with and from wiki.


I asked my housemate to type in switchwiki into the address bar.  WorldWideWiki:SwitchWiki hit first.  He then made from the world wide wiki site to the WikiIndex.  He sat back and was amazed at the front page, so many choices, I sat back and went, hmmm, does the front page look to complex? wouldn't it be nice to just have a search button in the center like google.  but at this site, you can edit your search page if you want..? Interesting idea I had, but the real issue is we just need to think how we want to be presented to people. Anyway, I asked him to pick a site, he chose one that had '''Hard Wiki'' on it and he went there. After stumbling around a bit he clicked on the photo, remarked postively after visiting the [[CreativeCommons]] site.  Then asked how to get to the wiki, I said it was easy.  He then found it and went to [[HardWiki]] and I thought the FrontPage was nice.  News on the right, community edited news. ([[RecentChanges.Info]] maybe here on the wiki, similar to what [[CommunityWiki]] is doing.
==Project Namespace==
He found a news article that linked to google video, and then he started to surf it. Like I enjoy surfing wiki.
Can You give a definition of 'Project:' namespace?
:They are typically the name of the wiki, also called meta pages. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 22:53, 15 September 2014 (UTC)


== re: Namespaces ==
== fb ==
Do You ever read your facebook mails? M.


Yes, MediaWiki has them pre-installed.  I'm satisfied with our resolutions [[Namespace Conventions]]. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 15:24, 7 Feb 2006 (EST)
== new WikiIndex logo ==
[[:File:WikiIndexLogo2014.png]]


== movie recommendation ==
I have no idea what could be offending in a sunflower.[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 10:54, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


I watched this on my laptop on the plane home from Seattle. http://www.archive.org/details/salt_of_the_earth
: Really? As Sean suggests, a sunflower with the brackets around it is copyrightedMakes sense to me. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
Totally awesome labor movie from the 50sCheck it out if you haven't already. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 15:26, 7 Feb 2006 (EST)
:: and looks like it is in the public domain, thanks [[YiFei]].


== list of biggest wiki ==
== blocked from doing work ==
I think the biggest thing for you to do Manorainjan, is to slow down here.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]


http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_wikis
:What would be the advantage of being slow? the one who does mistakes should be more careful. Maybe he should 'slow' down, take a vacation. I'm fine. My mind is concentrated. I'm in good mood. What is wrong with that? M.
::I think they basically mean, spend more time in the D part of the [[BRD cycle]], and work to get consensus on your side. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 20:14, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


and on MeatballWiki
I'm the last one to avoid any discussion ;-) But Sean has blocked every possible aspect of my account regarding communication, even internal mail which is needed for this part:
<nowiki>
User is blocked
Jump to: navigation, search


== recursive ==
Your username or IP address has been blocked.


UseModWiki isn't going to show up in the OpenEdit cat anymore, correct? Doesn't seem right. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:07, 14 Feb 2006 (EST)
The block was made by Hoof Hearted. The reason given is no reason given.
Start of block: 14:17, 19 September 2014
  Expiry of block: 14:17, 26 September 2014
Intended blockee: Manorainjan


: I fixed UseMod [http://wikiindex.com/index.php?title=UseModWiki&diff=0&oldid=4678 here] and Lizzy [http://wikiindex.com/index.php?title=Lizzy&diff=0&oldid=4677 here]. What a pain in the neck!  Are you sure this is worth it? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 12:32, 15 Feb 2006 (EST)
You can contact Hoof Hearted or another administrator to discuss the block. You cannot use the 'email this user' feature unless a valid email address is specified in your account preferences and you have not been blocked from using it. Your current IP address is 178.11.160.142, and the block ID is #19490. Please include all above details in any queries you make.
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M.


== WikiProtocal ==
The reason Sean gave was ''copyright violations, repeated disruption to WikiIndex, refusing to following community-agreed standards'' in the first block.  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


fyi http://b2b.wikis.com/wc.dll?b2b~WikiProtocol [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 15:36, 18 Feb 2006 (EST)
::None of those accusations have substance. He totally failed to supply any proof of his biased claims. He did not even try. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


== edit mode ==
:The log summary helps make people realize there was more misbehavior after the unblock; otherwise, the reblock makes it look like there was a wheel war. [[Special:Logs/block]]. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 22:20, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


check back in at [[Category talk:Wiki Edit Mode]]? Thanks! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 23:39, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)
There was and is no wheel war.
# Sean blocked my account
# Mark expressed that he did not agree with that.
# Sean ignored that
# YiFei, being more practical than talkative unblocked my account, expressing his opinion by this.
# Sean disrespected both and blocked my account again.
# Mark repeated his difference in opinion
# Sean kept his stubborn attitude and silence.
That's it. Now the thing hangs in the middle kind of. Sean puts his nose deep in 'work' trying his very, very best to ignore my IP edits or anybody's comments on this 'case' and passes his chances to 'range block' the IPs I'm using. And none of the sysops like to stir anybody up further. So, Your expectation of a wheel war will go unfulfilled. I'm not sorry about this.[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])
:How was that not a wheel war? Are you saying that the battle was only [https://www.quora.com/Hypothetical-Battles hypothetical] and not real? [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 23:41, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


: awesome!  welcome back - that's a lot of 18 hour days - hope it was productive [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:12, 23 Feb 2006 (EST)
You seam to have serious difficulties to understand the motivations of people. First of all there was no intention of waging a war from any side, especially not amongst the sysops. Everybody expressed their opinion in their specific way, once. Only mark did the same thing twice. But he did no reverts, blocks or unblocks at all. So, nothing to see here, keep moving! [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])
:If there were a fight, who do you think would win? What odds would you place on the various combatants? Also, are you willing to provoke enough fights (n >= 30) that we will have a statistically significant sample with which to judge the accuracy of your predictions? Also, how much money can we bring into the WikiIndex coffers by taking the wiki private and charging the public for admission to see the fight? [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 00:04, 20 September 2014 (UTC)


== collapsing work in progress ==
If there would be a fight, nobody would win, everybody would lose and everybody except You knows that.
And You don't have the power to start a war Birdy. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


yes, that was a good idea --[[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small> 03:34, 23 Feb 2006 (EST)
:That's only true if the last man standing is mortally wounded before he finishes everyone else off. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 00:10, 20 September 2014 (UTC)


== Versioning ==
Hey Birdy, if You can't sleep, do something useful: [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki#Table of results|Table of results]] M.
See the idea of [[Versioning]] as a way to deal with the phenomenon of competition and ego for our own ideas on the very first page.  By creating "unlimited" variants, people may more freely explore and express their ideas to express and thoughts.  We could use self organized controls, such as [[#redirect]] and [[ExpiresOn]] categories to deal with clutter.  I really don't think we are going to be overwhelmed with traffic to be able to at least do this for a few months. What would the [[WikiWay]] do?  [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]


So I have made a couple versions as expamles:
== [[User:Manorainjan]] ==
Mark, there are numerous reasons why the above user should be blocked, some of them extremely serious, and I must insist that the block should stand.  I will detail my reasons on Monday, when I have more time and less interuptions.  I would appreciate that you support your fellow sysops, rather than constantly over-rulling them.  Respectfully yours, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 21:00, 21 September 2014 (UTC)


* [[MarkDilley:VersionTwo]] to store my front page. I just need to go clean off the wiki people tag.
== [[Special:RequestAccount]] ==
* [[MarkDilley:WikiIndex:Community portal]]
We got to change this page in order to supply necessary information right there.
* [[MarkDilley:WikiIndex]] - I think I will use a : inbetween like [[MarkDilley:WikiIndex]] as a page name for my ideas on the page WikiIndex.
* [[MarkDilley:MissionStatement]]


=== versioning discussion ===
* I would also like to include in [[WikiIndex:Real names]] that using a RN is appreciated but optional.
* What about that field in request form? Is it optional or compulsory?
* The form does not explicitly tell which field needs to be filled!! There is lack of clarity. That does not support the generation of trust. I cannot continue to write help text if I do not know the conditions of account creation.
* I also suggest to trim this page quite a lot. For example "Other information" should be omitted.
*This page is the very entry point for wiki community. This and the following procedures are absolutely vital for it's growth.
* I also may be lacking some technical terms here. Request, creation, validation, 'approval'?
* The page treats email verification and account approval as the same thing with the same word.
* The main page navigation speaks of Request and the Help page of create account. There should not be a difference.
[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:35, 24 September 2014 (UTC)


I was nervous about putting this out here, so I asked [[JohnAbbe]] about it and then he missed my irc chat and I could wait to just do it. So he just came back to my question:
== [[Talk:Assume good faith]] ==
Check my recent rant about Your favourite dogma ;-)  And [[User talk:Babooshka|how]] I got there. (He/she/it/them was online today) [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 23:10, 24 September 2014 (UTC)


* well, it turned out that it was more of an idea than a question. The question is how do we support others ideas and creativity on a wiki?
== Template:Grey4Column ==
* [[:Template:Wp]] Delete? Categorize? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


: '''my answer is less techie - by listening, and reflecting what we're getting of what someone says/writes'''
== [[WikiIndex:Community portal/News]] ==
I thought this is newest news on top? --[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 16:24, 27 September 2014 (UTC)


Thanks John! and [[IRC]]!
==[[WikiIndex:Teamwork information]]==
This is a proposal for a new wiki community related feature.


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I hope You like the idea and find a way to integrate this table on Your User Page.
The other nice thing about the '''":"''' in the middle fo the wiki words is that when I type in MarkDilley and hit enter a pages comes up with everything of mine.  sweeet!! :-)
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="background:#ff9900; color:#300080"
 
! Online Accessibility !! E-mail !! Commitment !! Exeptions !! UTC !! Skills !! Duty !! Rank !! Propensities
Mark,
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| || yes || || no time until 4-11-2014 || || || - || bureaucrat ||
I'm not getting you.  Are you saying that one way to introduce changes that I'm not sure are non-controversial is to make a "temp" page for the purpose, get comments, and then copy/paste that temp page to the real location?
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Or am I totally missing it?
 
[[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 13:52, 24 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
: Nope!  You got it.  But I think the beauty of it is that people can cull what they like from the page and just go with it.  So I, or anyone, can say '''Here is a idea I had'''  - what do folks think about it.  So then it would take another person to go ahead and just do it or comment that it was a good idea.  Or to critique, or as you would say, use the  [[Two feet rule]] and just ignore it.  I think it would work.  Do you?  Best, [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
 
Yes, I do think it will work.  It's a bit less efficient than just editing the page directly, though it has the huge advantage of being less likely of stepping on people, so it's easier for people to work together (emotionally easier, technically it's a bit harder because of having to look multiple places, although...)
 
...A suggestion would be to simply use the talk page of the page in question! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 15:19, 24 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
: I still like my idea of using the talk page for the page in question.  Otherwise, how's anyone going to see your proposed versions?  Seems like a lot of extra overhead and I'm not yet seeing that outweighed by the benefits. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 12:53, 28 Feb 2006 (EST)
 
:: How will someone know to look for a version?  And why can't it simply be a section on the talk page?  You said it was from a month ago, but it appeared here now, which made me think it was new again. :-) [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 13:48, 1 Mar 2006 (EST)
 
I was cleaning up an old page called "Versioning" and placeing it in my talk space. There are many benifits to the idea of "Versioning" but I don't think it needs to be figured out now, infact I don't have the energy to figure it out now! :-)  Best, [[MarkDilley]] | <small>[[User talk:MarkDilley|talk]]</small>
 
: Hi!  Thanks for the welcome.  I got introduced to this by my housemate [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]]. [[User:Dan Korn|Dan Korn]] 23:33, 1 Mar 2006 (EST)
 
* Found a [[TedErnst]] link that I feel is in the ballpark of what I am thinking on this stuff. http://tedernst.com/wp/?p=366
 
** Sorry, I'm not getting the connection yet.  Say more?  (By the way, Kaliya is not happy that I blogged about this so soon in the brainstorming process.  Seems there's some internal board stuff she's dealing with.  Just call me troublemaker!) [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 13:40, 9 Mar 2006 (EST)
 
* my idea of "Versioning" is that it is a copy of the article page, but done in a SuggestedEdit format. That wouldn't really work on a talk page, because of all the talking going on
 
=== weblog post ===
http://celeryjuice.net/04/04/2006/wiki/
 
== move page feature ==
 
Mark, you know about that feature, yes?  I noticed you cut and pasted info from my spam page to the new opt out page and then marked the spam page for deletion.  If you had just moved the spam page to the opt out page there would be an automatic redirect created and no deletion would be necessary.  What do you think? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:50, 3 Mar 2006 (EST)
 
* I didn't think to do that, but should have. [[MarkDilley]] | <small>[[User talk:MarkDilley|talk]]</small>
 
No worries.  I find it a very cool feature and just wanted to make sure you knew about it.  I really like that anyone can use it, not just admin!  And it preserves the edit history, in case anyone cares about that :-) [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 02:00, 4 Mar 2006 (EST)
 
:Another advantage of the Move feature is that it moves the matching Talk page (if any) - with certain rare exceptions. [[User:Robin Patterson|robinp]] 16:37, 16 Mar 2006 (EST)
 
== Next WikiIndex banner? ==
 
banner - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2006_Call_for_Participation
 
== Cool idea at da'pedia ==
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Film
 
== Re: Deleted Redirects ==
 
We talked about this a month or so ago.  I'm not a fan of deleting redirects, unless they're defamatory or harmful to the project (like my spam one).  I really, really hate the case-sensitivity of Media Wiki and re-directs are one way to make that less of a problem.  I humbly request that you save us both some time by not deleting them, or of course, I'm open to more conversation if you like. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 12:37, 6 Mar 2006 (EST)
 
 
:I agree with Ted there. I know they appear in the "all pages" list, but that's not something most people ever need to look at. Redirects definitely avoid the likely duplication of pages by well-meaning people who just haven't searched far enough to find what they are duplicating (and don't know they haven't), or haven't even tried. [[User:Robin Patterson|robinp]] 16:59, 16 Mar 2006 (EST)
 
== Wikis to Add ==
Awesome work creating all those pages!  This will save a lot of time, not having to create the pages or figure out the name of the wiki.  Excellent!  [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 12:37, 6 Mar 2006 (EST)
 
== navel gazing ==
 
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/main?q=&url=wikiindex.com
 
== Shock Level 4 ==
 
http://wikiindex.com/Sl4Wiki [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:21, 6 Mar 2006 (EST)
 
== logos ==
 
I haven't done much with logos or images of any kind on MediaWiki, but I thought there was a way to upload an image with the same name as a previous image, and it would replace it, just like wiki text.  That way, you wouldn't have to change the template in our site with the new name.  Did I dream this up?  [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:36, 6 Mar 2006 (EST)
 
: I think your are correct that we don't need to change the template for images uploaded with the same name. If you are reffering to the updated logo at Wikicites. The old logo was just named Wikicities, the new one is named WikicitiesLogo. [[MarkDilley]] | <small>[[User talk:MarkDilley|talk]]</small>
 
Ah, I hadn't thought of the fact that we might not be re-naming logos.  Cool.  Carry on! :-) [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:03, 6 Mar 2006 (EST)
 
== how do you track actvitiy on wikis you care about? ==
 
I noticed you commented on a new person at wikisym today.  How do you track the wikis you care about?  I'm using http://www.communitywiki.org/en/RecentChangesPersonalizedTedErnst.  [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:06, 8 Mar 2006 (EST)
 
: Hi Ted - mostly Bloglines - http://www.bloglines.com/public/MarkDilley
 
You seem to have lost your cookie.  Anyway, holy shit, you follow a lot of feeds!  How much of that do you actually read?  [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 23:21, 8 Mar 2006 (EST)
 
== language note ==
 
http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php/Anarchopedia:Community_Portal
 
== Trade off between reading and writing ==
 
http://www.nooranch.com/synaesmedia/wiki/wiki.cgi?TradeOffBetweenReadingAndWriting
 
== RecentChangesPatrol ==
 
excellent!  sorry for reverting you - I couldn't figure out what you were doing - now I see it and of course it's much better than it was before - great work! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 13:31, 10 Mar 2006 (EST)
 
== wikis for review ==
 
Do we have a way to mark wikis for review?  If not, remind me to create something, will you?  In the meantime, take a look at [[GreenCheese]], okay?  ''comment going to both Mark and Ray'' -- [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:21, 10 Mar 2006 (EST)
 
== delete procedure ==
 
Please see [[WikiIndex talk:Deleting pages]].  Thanks! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 02:30, 11 Mar 2006 (EST)
 
== RealNames==
 
I know you're busy.  No hurry.  When you get a chance, could you look in on [http://wikiindex.com/WikiIndex_talk:RealNames#RealNames_is_a_given.2C_what_about_pseudo_vs_ip.3F the RealNames discussion page]?  Thanks! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:14, 16 Mar 2006 (EST)
 
== good idea ==
 
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Beer_parlour  - maybe go hang out at the [[BeachByTheOcean]]
 
 
 
== [[LocalNames]] ==
 
I think that what you are calling [[LocalNames]] is what the [[MediaWiki]] software refers to as an interwiki or intermap link. I can, for example, user the [[WikiPedia:User talk:BlankVerse]] link on every wiki using the MediaWiki software and that will link to my user page on the English-language Wikipedia. I haven't been able to find where the WikiIndex keeps its interwiki map, but it it must have one for that last link to work. The interwiki map for all of the [[Wikimedia Foundation]] projects is at [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Interwiki_map] and the [[Usemod]]/[[MeatballWiki]] map is at [http://usemod.com/intermap.txt]. Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InterWiki and http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?InterMap. [[User:BlankVerse]] | <small>[[User talk:BlankVerse|talk]]</small> 18:38, 29 Mar 2006 (EST)
 
:These live in the 'interwiki' table on the MySQL database; there is an [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special_page_to_work_with_the_interwiki_table extension] available for MW1.5+ to allow them to be edited directly from a [[special:interwiki]] page.
 
InterWiki links are different than LocalNames ([http://www.communitywiki.org/LocalNames CommunityWiki:LocalNames])
 
:True, but I don't see a "try here, and if you don't find it try somewhere else" form of link anywhere in the standard MediaWiki distribution . InterWiki links always point to an explicitly-specified wiki and page name.
 
You are correct, MediaWiki is not set up for local names.
 
<pre>
: MarkDilley: hi!
[10:37pm] evanpro: Are you here?
[10:37pm] evanpro: I have a strange question for you
[10:37pm] evanpro: Well, only slightly strange
[10:37pm] evanpro: It's about WikiIndex
[10:37pm] MarkDilley: Hello!
[10:38pm] evanpro: I was just looking at the good ol' interwiki map on usemod.com
[10:38pm] evanpro: and I was thinking, man, this is really out of date
[10:38pm] evanpro: I wonder if there's a site that has a comprehensive view on existent wikis...
[10:38pm] MarkDilley: right
[10:39pm] evanpro: ...that could serve as a focal point for developing a "canonical" (note the quotes) interwiki map
[10:39pm] evanpro: ?
[10:39pm] evanpro: Which is a coy and leading question
[10:39pm] evanpro: Since there is one such site...
[10:39pm] evanpro: ...and I've mentioned it already in this chat.
[10:39pm] MarkDilley: I asked a question at WikiIndex about hwo interwiki map works with MediaWiki
[10:39pm] evanpro: B-)
[10:41pm] evanpro: It's a very weird system
[10:41pm] evanpro: There's a database table that stores the prefix and URL pattern
[10:41pm] MarkDilley: I am not sure about "canonical"
[10:43pm] evanpro: Yeah
[10:43pm] evanpro: Maybe... I dunno
[10:43pm] evanpro: "Frequently used"
[10:43pm] evanpro: Like the page on Wikitravel might note that "WikiTravel" is the frequently used IW prefix
[10:43pm] evanpro: Hmm
[10:43pm] MarkDilley: http://www.wikiindex.com/Category:Vibrant
[10:45pm] evanpro: B-)
[10:45pm] evanpro: I should probably bring this up on the community portal instead of ambushing you on IRC
[10:45pm] evanpro: B-)
[10:49pm] de_vogon left the chat room. (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[10:50pm] MarkDilley: I am trying to juggle another convo, sorry :-(
[10:50pm] MarkDilley: and I am not sure exactly what you mean, I know what you are saying I think
[10:50pm] MarkDilley: I mean, I think I understand the problem
[10:51pm] MarkDilley: Please put on the wiki your ideas about how to do this...?
</pre>
 
== Thanks ==
 
Thanks for listing [[WikiLens]].  We'd like more users. :)
 
--Dan
 
No problem Dan! We would like to facilitate more people to your community!! Please take some time and make your entry better representative of your wiki.  :-)  [[MarkDilley]]
 
 
== for the how to tread lightly on newbies page ==
 
[http://www.communitywiki.org/en/NoSuddenMovements CommmuityWiki:NoSuddenMovements]  [[CommunityWiki:NoSuddenMovements]]
 
== edit war ==
 
Mark, obviously neither of us wants to be in an edit war.  I haven't looked through all the changes, but I'm writing here about your re-naming of the tourbusstop.  Also just as obviously, there's not a clear "rule" about which change "sticks" while we're working out a difference.  I moved it from where it was and you (apparently it was you, it was unsigned) objected.  I asked why and got no response.  Now there's a response there and you went ahead and moved it back.  This is a wiki practice issue for me at this point.  In essence you reverted me and we can either have the conversation in this reverted state or I can drop the whole thing.  Maybe I'm fooling myself thinking this is about something larger than my own pettiness.  Part of the the problem is I've been home with the flu today so probably am more senstitive than usual today.  Let's talk in a couple of days, okay?  peace, [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 23:52, 3 Apr 2006 (EDT)
 
 
 
== quantum ==
From [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_number Wikipedia] - "A quantum number is any one of a set of numbers used to specify the full quantum state of any system in quantum mechanics. Each quantum number specifies the value of a conserved quantity in the dynamics of the quantum system. Since any quantum system can have one or more quantum numbers, it is a futile job to list all possible quantum numbers."
 
== Hello Mark ==
 
Talking to Ted and stopped by to understand this wonderful site a bit more.  How wonderful a gift this is.  Would love to connect more with you and think about you often.  Skype: juliecaldwell
 
Hugs, [[Julie Caldwell]]
 
== names ==
 
So when you see 68.73.201.100, does it mean something to you?  What about why you see WikiVanTed?  Trying to get my mind around how you see things.  Wanna do the same with me?  [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 18:12, 11 Apr 2006 (EDT)
 
''My inital thoughts:  I see an IP address as an anonymous edit, i.e. someone not logged in. When I see WikiVanTed it can be one of two ways to think of it. If I know you, then it is not anonymous.  More often than not, I find that psudonyms are not linked to a "real person" and so they are just really anonymous contributors, similar to an IP address.  For me, I have been most involved in wikis where there is a strong UseRealName standard.  I don't feel connected to wiki that are not mostly real people.  I want to create a one stop sign wiki town here at wiki index.  Not to mean that I am not as interested in "producing" an encyclopedia of wiki links.  It is just that figuring out how to help people in wiki start communicating with each other is most important for me.  I like WikiIndex, in my mind we are setting up the place and asking people to come here and set up their wiki, description, tagging, etc. as a front lawn of sorts in this small one stop wiki town.  I look forward when there will be metropolis of wiki. - late, rambling, best, MarkDilley''
 
So it wouldn't bother you at all if I never logged in?  You don't hold my edits to a different standard than an anon?  You know I'm asking because it's '''all about me!''' :-)  No, actually, what I'm saying is that when I know it's you, when I see your name, even if I disagree with something you're doing, there's an automatic cutting of slack.  If I see an IP, I don't know who it is.  I'm more likely to simply revert.  Someone not invested enough here to sign their work hasn't earned the right to ruffle feathers, I'd say.  I don't have any reason to this this person will be back to answer questions I might ask about their actions.  Someone with a login has something invested.
 
And just to be clear, you and I agree on [[RealNames]] as the standard.  Where we disagree (I think), is on IP vs psuedo.  For me, an IP is not a person, it's a machine or an anoyance or a spammer.  A psuedo is a person.  I'd rather know their name and interact with them that way, but it is a person to me.  It's less of a person than someone using their [[RealName]], for sure, but way more of a person to me than is an IP. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 11:45, 12 Apr 2006 (EDT)
 
''No it would never bother me if you never logged in.  I would learn the IPs that you posted from.  So we agree on [[RealNames]] - but we have a big gap on the Ip vs Psudonym.  I feel the opposite, an psudonym is a jokester, someone who I don't think this that seriously, not a person. I feel it is a trap to think of a psudonym as an identity.  An IP to me can represent the beautiful anonymity that the wiki can provide.  I read IP and psudonym edits in similar light, content.  I am not inclinded to revert anything that anyone has done, unless it is obvious spam, because I want them to explore their ideas, however simple they may be, or however I may not understand them yet.  ''
 
''Much of what I have been thinking about in regards to some of our (diffs) is in the BalancingProcessAndProduct realm, if that makes any sense. I am still groking it.  Thanks for your thoughtfullness Ted.  Best, MarkDilley''
 
Mark, I just had a brainstorm and came here to tell you about it and found your comment.  I'll give you my brainstorm first and then see if I have more to add in terms of your comment.  My brainstorm has to do with the login procedure.  Why do we have a UserName?  Shouldn't it just be a Name?  If it was a Name, would that not encourage more people to use [[RealNames]]?  This will require John's help, of course.  What do you think?  Worth pursuing?  [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:36, 12 Apr 2006 (EDT)
 
:That would probably mean forking MediaWiki, which I don't think the GPL lets you do too easily. Though we ''could'' just edit the login screen to mention all this. I forget the name of the actual page, but it's somewhere in the MediaWiki: namespace. &mdash;[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 20:24, 16 Apr 2006 (EDT)
 
Sean and Ted, I think that is a great idea Ted! I have asked John to look into changing the title of '''Article''' to '''Wiki''' because that is basically what it is.  I don't understand the problem with making those tweaks Sean, so if you could find a path to your suggestion, that would be fab!
 
: Hmm.  What about all of our pages that aren't wikis?  [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 13:06, 20 Apr 2006 (EDT)
 
Well, none of our pages are articles...
 
: They aren't?  What about [[WikiNodes]]?  ... Actually, I'll stop there.  I was going to give a whole mess of examples, but there aren't very many others, if any.  I concede the point.  We don't have articles.  But "wiki" doesn't seem right either because we have pages for people and for other stuff, too. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:08, 21 Apr 2006 (EDT)
 
Maybe none was a bit of an exageration, but I think we can come up with a better header than "Article" - I just threw out "Wiki" because that is the vast bulk of our pages.
 
::I think editing either [[MediaWiki:Emailforlost]] or [[MediaWiki:Loginprompt]] would do it. Which one would just depend on where on the login screen you wanted it. &mdash;[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 03:50, 23 Apr 2006 (EDT)
 
Thanks Sean, I will check out that path!
 
== UseMod ==
 
Mark, I see you're tidying up the UseModWiki / UseMod issue.  I haven't looked at many of your edits, but I'm confused about [http://wikiindex.com/index.php?title=BlogWiki&curid=1208&diff=11378&oldid=11360&rcid=19357 this one].  In fact, forget that, the categories themselves are confused.  See this: [[:Category:UseMod]] which hard redirects to [[UseModWiki]] which in turn soft redirects to [[:Category:UseModWiki]].  Confusing! How should it be laid out? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 12:03, 14 Apr 2006 (EDT)
 
Teaked it a little, it is still messy.  This is the whole category as wiki thing I am trying to figure out. The categories get messy.  Will try to look at it later.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
 
Doesn't seem messy to me anymore.  I thought the engine was called UseMod so wondered about your move of wikis to UseModWiki and your move in the other direction as well.  I didn't realize you'd cleaned it all up so they're now all UseModWiki '''and''' I've gone to the source and see that once again, I'm wrong. :-)  Yes, it's true.  I'm wrong.  The wiki is at usemod.com (not usemodwiki.com) and has a logo that says Use Mod and yet the name of the engine is clearly UseModWiki.  Strange but true! I think it's quite fine the way it is. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:17, 14 Apr 2006 (EDT)
 
== re: wikipedia ==
 
Thanks, Mark.  There's a lot more to do, but perhaps now that it's started, Ray's people will get to it. :-) [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 19:11, 24 Apr 2006 (EDT)
 
Hey, when are you passing through? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 19:11, 24 Apr 2006 (EDT)
 
== Regarding Wiki Guitar ==
 
I want to make it open edit (no need for an account) but I have been having problems with spam.
 
I also am having trouble upgrading. I upgraded to 1.6.3 today and got a bunch of SQL errors. The truth is, I don't know much about PHP, Mediawiki, or MYSQL. What I do know a lot about is Guitar and some with HTML and web design.
 
== re: deletion ==
 
feel free to undelete it - it was just nonsense, as far as I can tell - plus has nothing to do with searching - no worries if you undelete and try to do something with it - I'll watch you and learn [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 22:42, 9 May 2006 (EDT)
 
== Thanks Mark ==
 
Mark:
 
Thanks for the welcome and updating of my pages.
 
http://www.wikiindex.com/David_Spencer
 
http://www.wikiindex.com/ChristianMedia.ca
 
 
Wikiindex.com is a very helpful site!
 
[[David Spencer]]
[[Canada]]
 
Thanks for the welcome Mark. [[Michael_Misovec]]
 
== real names ==
 
[[MediaWiki:Prefs-help-realname]] (this notice appears on my preferences page) [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 15:21, 13 May 2006 (EDT)
 
[[MediaWiki:Prefs-help-userdata]] (or maybe I'm confusing with this one) [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 15:22, 13 May 2006 (EDT)
 
check out this page: http://www.wikiindex.com/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup
 
there are actually 3 fields in mediawiki for names - one is Username and we've renamed that Name.  one is Real name and is optional.  I'm not sure what it's used for.  both of these two are on the page I linked above.  The third is nickname and can be seen here: http://www.wikiindex.com/Special:Preferences
 
argh! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:48, 14 May 2006 (EDT)
 
==Did you chop more than you meant to?==
http://www.wikiindex.com/index.php?title=Talk:Wiki_Index&curid=2854&diff=21393&oldid=21387
 
[[User:Robin Patterson|Robin Patterson]] 23:55, 15 May 2006 (EDT)
 
No, maybe not - I think I see them on [Wiki_Index]], so you were probably just belatedly removing them from a temp store while doing something else. Efficiency... [[User:Robin Patterson|Robin Patterson]] 02:04, 16 May 2006 (EDT)
 
==Wikis for review==
Further up the page. Commenting here in case it's useful. One way to see what hasn't been looked at for a while is [[special:ancientpages]]. (Hmmmm - interesting to see what's the most ancient at this moment!) [[User:Robin Patterson|Robin Patterson]] 02:04, 16 May 2006 (EDT)
 
:''Yes, that is funny! [[MarkDilley]]''
 
==Phone calls==
I don't do much telephoning, especially if it's something that requires deliberation. And the only really comfortable time would be weekdays from about 5.30pm NZ time (0530 UTC April to October - ie 12.30am EST?, 0630 in "summer") until about an hour later. But '''I love email''': robinp"at"xtra.co.nz gets me almost instantly when I'm at work and within 24hr if my home PC is working. [[User:Robin Patterson|Robin Patterson]] 02:04, 16 May 2006 (EDT)
 
 
http://sacha.free.net.ph/notebook/wiki/WikiIndex.php
 
== re: Wikipedia  ==
 
Well, I did have a specific plan. :-)
 
No worries.  I'm not wedded to my plan.
 
Okay, here's my thinking:
 
Wikipedia is really important.  It's important in English because it's the biggest wiki and it gets the most press.  It's important in general because it's changing the way people conceive of the expert/peon split.  Given that, it's really important for us to have all Wikipedias represented here.  The redlinks shown on all wikipedia pages help others see that there's work to be done.  It's an invitation of sorts.  (As an aside, I believe this technique is useful for all wikis that have seperate language versions of the same thing. [[Uncyclopedia]] or something like that is another one I've already started.  WikiMedia has other examples.)  Anyway, another reason to do it is to emphasize the connections between these different wikipedias.  Other wikis aren't bound the way the wikipedias are.  They all have the same mission, just different languages, so tying them together tightly on our site is important.  I also really like the category:wikipedia, so even if we go with my template, I'd like to put the category in it.
 
Any change in your thoughts now that you know there's a reason?  peace, [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 08:44, 17 May 2006 (EDT)
 
== wiki engine/wiki farm ==
 
Yes, you're right.  I was mixed up.  And yet, doesn't a wiki farm page that shows up as a category still end up becoming a sub-category?  And isn't that one thing we were trying to avoid with wiki engines?  Seems like a parallel issue to me.  I dunno. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:12, 19 May 2006 (EDT)
 
Yep, check it out: [[:Category:Multilingual]]
 
== add template and new wikis ==
 
Mark, I see you've added the structured data empty boilerplate to the add template.  I think this makes it more difficult to go through category first additional as well as the unknown categories.  Could we talk about this?  Thanks! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 18:15, 19 May 2006 (EDT)
 
:''Hey Ted, remove it if it causing you trouble.  I personally think, without seeing your references, that it is a better way to search for new wiki to add, then the category first additional, which as you remember, I tried to get rid of! :-) [[MarkDilley]]
 
I don't mind getting rid of first additional (even if I said otherwise before).  Can you say more about the benefits of having the structured date with the add template?  [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 21:55, 20 May 2006 (EDT)
 
Well, before John did the add your wiki button on Community Portal, I don't think it mattered. But with people possibly entering their own wiki, the Add Structured Data box seems to be real helpful for them to figure out what to put where.  Just a gut feeling, nothing more, seems to make sense to me.  (also, since I was just adding that box anyways, when I added new wikis via this button) [[MarkDilley]]
: Oh also, seems more natural to look for wiki through the category add wiki, instead of through first/second additional.)
 
''Could we nuke first/second additional right now to simplify this conversation?  I'm not going to do it at the moment, but let's just assume it's done.''
: ''Okay, cool.  Alright.  Let's say I'm a new person and I come here and I see that my wiki isn't here.  I use John's add a wiki button, the default brings in the structured data, I fill out the form, and we're done, yes?  Cool, so far this has nothing to do with the add template, right?  Just trying to make sure we're still on the same page.  Okay, so with new person adding one wiki, no need to add template, the person does their own structured data.  Cool.  Now, scenario #2.  You, Ray or I find a new wiki or 10 and don't have time or inclination to actually fill in the structured data.  We just put the URL in and the add template and we're done.  Someone else looking through categories wikis to add sees these wikis need structured data and tehy add it.  Cool, right?  On the other hand, if the blank (unknowns) structured data is attached to the add template, you or ray or I adds a URL and project unknowns gets stuck with a bunch of new unknowns.  So what am I missing?  Help me see the benefits?  Thanks!  [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 02:20, 22 May 2006 (EDT)
 
Ok, so I add a new wiki through Johns magic wizard.  We are ignoring that category first, and second, though they seem similar to me.  The template has the add template.  I find that useful for two reasons:  1) it has the [[StructuredData]] link on it, I think this may help people while they fill in their page. (much the way we thought category first/second would, and why I pushed for a tag in the form)  2) It adds the page to category wikis to add for folks who are working on those tasks.  I am unclear why it is a problem from the view point of category unknown and category first/second.  Similar to your questions: what am I missing?  Help me see the benefits/problems?
 
: PErhaps we need to wait until we can speak about this.  Text is just too slow and cumbersome.  I will try one more time, howeverr. :-)  I'm a glutton for punishment.  Here's how I saw things before this change:
*** category add a wiki had pages with just a url - they needed everything added, structured data, description, everything - wikis were only in this category as a time-saver b/c ray, mark and ted didn't always want to spend the time to put all the structured data in when they found a new wiki
****''I think of it more as a process, not only because we didn't want to spend the time on it.'' [[MarkDilley]]
***** Sorry, I shouldn't have tried to guess why we didn't fill in the structured data.  We each have our own reasons at the time we do it.  The reasons don't really matter.  What matters is that we do it, and that's not a problem at all, incremental improvements are great! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:02, 22 May 2006 (EDT)
*** category unknown engine had pages in it where someone had already put in the structured data and the engine is still unknown - this is a 2nd step
*** category unknown edit mode similarly had pages in it where someone had already put in the stuctured data and the edit mode was still unknown for some reason - this is also a 2nd step
: I suppose what I'm getting at is that this used to be a 2 step process.  Step 1 was putting in the sturctureed data and step 2 was going back to fix any data that was still missing.  I get myself in a different frame of mind if I'm just looking for edit modes and don't have to worry about other structured data.  I work differently when I'm doing step 1 or step 2.  This change that we're discussing seems to have eliminated the 2 step process which makes it harder for me to work in the way I want to work.  Is this any clearer?  If not, happening tonight? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 11:29, 22 May 2006 (EDT)
 
It seems that step 1 needs to be finished before I can grasp what you are saying about the work flow disruption.  If the ~47 wikis to add are added, then seeing how it affects step two?  I will try to do that today.  call tonight seems to be on track, breathing and everything. [[MarkDilley]]
 
: I'm not sure that step 1 will ever be finished for long.  We're always going to find new wikis.  I can definitely see that having the structured data (empty) and the add template together can be helpful for step 1.  I have no disagreement there.  Let's talk about it tonight to see if we can find a way to not make step 2 more difficult.  Until tonight! :-) [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:00, 22 May 2006 (EDT)
 
Ted, you are a rockstar! [[MarkDilley]]
 
== Wiki problems ==
 
http://undertheoak.net/drupal/taxonomy/term/1
 
== Wiki Tricks ==
 
Hah!!
 
Ted is ever vigilent with spelling, as well as we all are/try to be.  But there is something to leaving mistakes behind for newbies. For example,  I purposefully left the [http://www.wikiindex.com/index.php?title=WikiFeedback&curid=4512&diff=23308&oldid=23280&rcid=24663 spelling error] for someone to fix. Ted got it!  Maybe there is a use in leaving minor errors laying around?  Other wiki bootstrapping ideas?  I love wiki. :-)
 
:I agree that there is no harm in leaving the occasional minor error lying around for newbies to cut their teeth on. [[User:Robin Patterson|Robin Patterson]] 21:56, 1 June 2006 (EDT)
 
:: I am also interested in ideas for how to bootstrap my wiki. But perhaps such discussion would be more on-topic at [[MeatballWiki]] or [[RecentChangesCamp]] or [[http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wiki_Science WikiScience]]. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 22:49, 2 June 2006 (EDT)
 
:''David you are right, [[RecentChangesCamp]] should have a conversation about those issues.  I think it is on topic here though. [[MarkDilley]]''
 
== dreamhost ==
 
You can earn an affiliate bonus if I sign up: http://dreamhost.com/rewards.html - let me know if you're going to do it - I might switch some stuff to them from godaddy 7.95/month for unlimited domains!  wow, awesome! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 20:47, 24 May 2006 (EDT)
 
==Time zones==
What's the [[UTC]] equivalent of "10:15pm EST"? [[User:Robin Patterson|Robin Patterson]] 21:56, 1 June 2006 (EDT)
: ''I have no idea! :-) [[MarkDilley]]''
 
==Welcome, recent visitors==
See my real page. [[User:Robin Patterson|Robin Patterson]] 22:12, 1 June 2006 (EDT)
 
== softie! ==
 
yes, that's a good thing :-)  thanks! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 22:47, 8 June 2006 (EDT)
 
== Status: Building? ==
 
What the heck is that? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 12:38, 11 June 2006 (EDT)
 
:''It is the folksonomy tag that [[Mike Hammond]] [http://www.wikiindex.com/index.php?title=OoBdoo&oldid=24190 gave the wiki].  I like it because the wiki isn't really active yet, it is in the process of being built.  Maybe there is a better word or words for it, but I really like the idea.''
 
I didn't know it was possible to have folksonomy in the structured data.  I learn so much from you!  Doesn't it need to now be listed as one of our status categoires? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 13:39, 11 June 2006 (EDT)
 
:''I can't help to feel you are poking fun at me, surely in a good natured way!  It should be listed in the status category once folks settle with it, but I am not sure folks are settling with it, let's put it on the call tonight to have a chat.''
 
Not poking fun.  You saw my reaction to "Building".  I changed it to active.  You changed it back and I am seeing now that that's how things evolve with wiki.  We can't, even if we wanted to, control everything and decide in advance how things are going to work.  In some ways it's strange that we have structured data at all.  So far I think this is the first example of a structured data category being created by someone other than "us."  That's pretty cool if we let it happen.  Good stuff.  And sorry that it felt like I was poking fun.  Your radical inclusiveness is somehow not obvious to me, yet it's definitely where I want to go. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 12:38, 12 June 2006 (EDT)
 
== hahaha ==
 
:-)
 
It's actually fine to revert while I'm in the middle of this b/c I can just get my version out of history to finish it.
 
THEN, you can revert for real :-)
 
[[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 10:41, 14 June 2006 (EDT)
 
 
 
== dreams of wiki-indexing / microformats vs [[StructuredData]] ? ==
 
Bonjour Mark
 
Currently a long time I've not been here and not a lot of time to make any ''french-synchro-translation''. I'd be interested to have your opinion on the opportunity/way to bridge some Microformats-wiki with the [[StructuredData]] project ? Completely newbie on the subject, but the perspectives seem to be interesting. -- [[Christophe Ducamp]] | &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:ChristopheDucamp|talk]] 07:10, 15 June 2006 (EDT)
 
== delete template and discussion ==
 
Mark, thanks for the note.  I definitely agree with you that short conversations, especially about a potential delete, should be on the page itself, rather than the talk page.  My edit was just trying to get you what you were trying to get.  Glad I succeeded! :-) [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 13:11, 19 June 2006 (EDT)
 
:''As usual Ted, you succeeded with elegance. Thank you! Mark''
 
== [[Talk:ThisWiki:Copyright]] ==
 
please weigh in - please confirm John's call on consensus or weigh in with whatever other work we still need to do - thanks! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:52, 22 June 2006 (EDT)
 
== Monday meeting ==


We'll see. I'll try to make at ;east a few of them. &mdash;[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 19:20, 1 July 2006 (EDT)
It's first try. I'm happy if You help to improve it.  Details filled in lines other than mine are of course only for demonstration. I'm curious to see how You might fill it. --[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 00:27, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


== "click" text smaller ==
No comments on this from You? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


I'm not sure it can be done.  Do we really need the "click"?  [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 01:50, 3 July 2006 (EDT)
: I am extremely busy for this month with the political season in the states. The comments I have are not easily shortenedWill have to get to it later.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
: ''I think that Ray added the first one, I was fine with it.''
I don't have anything invested in that word being there or not.  I just don't think there's any way to make it smaller, short of using html instead of the section headings (===).


Me neither, I was just hoping to make it smaller! ;-)
I see. It is on occasion of Your remark that You are swamped till 4.11.14 that I started developing this idea. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


== Wiki Representatives ==
You do have some time! I have seen it. Do You prefer to waste it in micromanagement? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 10:50, 27 October 2014 (UTC)


Hello, I noticed the convo on the welcome talk page, and would like to help (I'm also the person who suggested becoming a directory of websites, not just wikis :P), oh and the admin of [[PSConclave_Wiki]], and would like to be the representative, and possibly help you set up this representative system. [[User:Elliotgoodrich|Elliotgoodrich]] 15:38, 4 July 2006 (EDT)
:Is the political season now over? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:41, 9 November 2014 (UTC)


== Thanks ==
It is nearly half a year now, since I asked. How much time do You intend to devote to the community You are "envisioning" to be the leader of? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 07:00, 21 February 2015 (UTC)


Hi,
No time at all? [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 07:20, 12 August 2015 (PDT)


I forgot to put a description on my site ([[wikipaddle]]), thanks for doing it for me. I hope my site is ok to include on you wiki.  
== meatball ==
What happened to [[MeatballWiki]]?  It is said to be locked. But there is no reason either here or on the wiki itself. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 00:49, 9 October 2014 (UTC)


Thanks, George.
== Real Names ==
You will be interested in that [[WikiIndex talk:Real names#How real is the support for real names on this_Wiki.3F]] and we will be curious to get further input from You, Mr. [[Leader]] ;-) [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 19:11, 22 October 2014 (UTC)


== subpages to the extreme example ==
== What serves the community? ==
Do You think, it serves the community if You let people invent structures for apparently no reason and not teach them how to interact with community, how to introduce new intended concepts and how to get feedback from the peers? How will this serve qualitative or quantitative growth of community? This is not a rhetoric question. I expect an explanation of "What in the world where You thinking?" [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 10:49, 27 October 2014 (UTC)


Check this out: http://www.hsalum.com/wiki/Main_Page/Michigan/B/Beverly_Hills/Wylie_E._Groves_High_School/1993/Ernst%2C_Ted
It took You two years to have no answer at all. --[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 10:09, 16 June 2016 (PDT)


== Hi! [[KirkKitchen]] here ==
== Request for [[WikiIndex:ServerMove|ServerMove]] concerns  ==
Hi MarkDilley.  Since you are one of the most active contributors here I wanted to be sure to draw your attention to the upcoming [[WikiIndex:ServerMove|ServerMove]] and solicit your help in making the transition a positive rather than negative experience.  Please take a moment to visit [[WikiIndex:ServerMove|ServerMove]] and curate the list of concerns.  Thanks! -- [[User:BrandonCsSanders|BrandonCsSanders]] ([[User talk:BrandonCsSanders|talk]]) 22:39, 14 November 2014 (UTC)


We use a wiki at work for software development. woo woo wooI'm in Grand Rapids 4 days a week working.
== [[Create.Wiki‎]] ==
You knew it is a farmWhy didn't You use the farm-template? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 11:49, 15 November 2014 (UTC)


== sorry about that ==
It's not that easy. Try this: [[Template:Wiki farm]][[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 15:35, 15 November 2014 (UTC)


didn't mean to jump in while you were still working - need to remember to check timestamps! hope all is well - I won't make it tonight - peace, ted
Mark, I patiently waited for You to moan. So no is the time: You are the "elder". It is You who should teach me how to set up a wiki farm entry, not the other way around.
: I didn't mean timestamp by your name/comment; I meant in RC.
http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/000000/00000/1000/900/1915/1915.strip.gif
* And it is not me who should need to counter-check Your edits.
* The leader of a wiki is to set a good example. Moaning and leading exclude each other. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 17:46, 15 November 2014 (UTC)


Ok, I see now, no worries and sorry for my part in it. Best, Mark
Manorainjan, as the 'elder' here I gave clear direction on how the interaction on the wiki would be better for you.  I said, instead of coming to my page and telling me I did something wrong, just fix it. That is how I teach you how to interact on this wiki.    ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


== words ==
Leadership and learning are indispensable to each other.
John F. Kennedy


I have no intention of challenging your use of the word weblog instead of blog. I am curious why it means so much to you. You're the only one I know that uses the word weblog and at the same time, the choice of that word seems very important to you, to the point of changing when I write blog into weblog.  I will use the word weblog here (though I use it nowhere else). No worries.  Just curious.  hugs, [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 00:42, 2 August 2006 (EDT)
Vacations are for the tiered ones. I'm not tiered. And You will not pay my vacations anyway. So, do not ask me, do not interfere in my schedule.  
: I tried to comment on your meatball user page, but the spam filter wouldn't let me save.  Here's my message: ''I'm so impatient!  And I'm happy to see your message to Sunir. So I'm working on patience. :-) -- TedErnst''
:: Sorry, I'm still impatient. :-( [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 13:44, 7 August 2006 (EDT)


Well here it goes, some thoughts on the weblog v blog controversy:  To me, I started out wanting to merge wiki and blog, I created WikiBlog over at [[Meatball Wiki]] - [[SunirShah]] mentioned to me that the word ''blog'' was a horrible word and we should not use it (this is from memory, folks).  I asked him why he thought that and he wrote down a convincing few lines.  I can't find the original words.  But it went a little something like this:  The word ''blog'' is an [http://www.primaryresources.co.uk/english/onomat.htm onomatopoeia], and it sounds gross. By googling for ''blog is an ugly word'' I found these examples to use.  [http://butuki.com/laughing_knees/ugly-word/ It sits heavy in the mouth, confuses everyone, and conjures up images of some wasting disease or putrid creature], and [http://www.elsewhere.org/journal/archives/2004/02/12/blog-is-an-ugly-word/ it’s just a misshapen lump of a word].  I am not a fan of [http://simonworld.mu.nu/archives/037779.php Blog is an ugly word but we're stuck with it.], it is a wiki, we can decide ourselves! ;-)  - I wish to come to agreement to use weblog instead of ''blog'' - we would be being true to the [http://groups.google.com/group/comp.ai/msg/3ef4b796ead09a87?q=weblog&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&scoring=d&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=31&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=1997&rnum=5 orgin] of both.  It is said that weblog was pulled apart ''we blog'', some people don't like the word wiki, either. I hope this brings up good questions or other ideas.  Best, Mark
But if You got tiered, I prepared something nice for You, something I "envisioned" some time ago:
: Thanks, Mark.  I'll have to take a look at these links from another connection.  My work has every one of them blocked. :-(  [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 12:58, 8 August 2006 (EDT)
:: Mark, these links have some interesting information in terms of choosing a word other than blog.  I'm still curious why it matters so much to you.  Yes, of course we can choose any words we like.  I'm not questioning that at all.  I'm just wondering about why it matters so much.  Thanks! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 13:50, 8 August 2006 (EDT)


== blog vs. weblog ==
[[File:Lead follow or get out of the way.jpg]]


No problem at all! --[[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Ray King|talk]]</small> 12:46, 2 August 2006 (EDT)
Or do some real work! [[WikiIndex talk:Leader]]
[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 23:54, 26 November 2014 (UTC)


== crossing my fingers ==
== Please comment ==
[[WikiIndex talk:Community portal#We need to have a community discussion about Nathania.2FNathan Larson.2FUser:Leucosticte]]. Honestly, this has really been weighing on me and I am extremely uncomfortable with this content. I know we've spoken about it before but I finally took some rogue admin action about it and deleted some of the links to content about CP. I can't handle it. We shouldn't be linking to that material here or allowing someone to overrun this site with niche vanity wikis. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 06:08, 21 November 2014 (UTC)


the mean spam filter doesn't get me!
Mark, I agree that your input on this would be useful. Some clarity is needed on whether this project is open to listing every wiki, or whether there's going to be some restriction on scope. No clear standard has been set as to what content isn't allowed, other than obvious linkspam to non-wiki websites, and I think that previously the door has been wide open to covering the whole wikisphere, and that that is how the situation should remain. The vast majority of WikiIndex deals with niche wikis, and that includes a handful of vanity wikis, aka blikis. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 18:02, 21 November 2014 (UTC)


[http://www.omidyar.net/group/dancelabs/news/4/ recent discussion]
What is a community response to this?  Free speech or not having CP here... and not a rogue admin action, no, simply editing.  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
:I don't understand what you're saying. Can you rephrase that? Thanks. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 19:16, 23 November 2014 (UTC)


[[User:Chinarut|Chinarut]] 01:56, 3 August 2006 (EDT)
== Test category ==
'''[[:Category:FirstAdditional]]''' Is this serving a function now? Do you want to delete it? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 04:31, 25 November 2014 (UTC)


==promoting our wikia==
It is part of the template/Boilerplate. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 11:23, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Mark - how do we get our various wikia as promoted on your home page as they hit critical mass?  Muppets, World, Psychology and others are pretty cool now!  [http://world.wikia.com/wiki/User:Gil Gil]
:'''The template?''' There are lots of templates. Which one? What function is this serving? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 20:05, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks mark - I guess I'm thinking of Wikia as 1500 seperate wikis, not one.  Because muppets, Dofus, and Psychology have little to do with each other, we would probably index each seperately.  I wanted to make sure that would be "okay".  [http://world.wikia.com/wiki/User:Gil Gil]


== GPMI Wiki is dead (for now) ==
That [[User talk:Koavf#The Template|Template]] [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 20:39, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 
Hi, Mark.  After over a year without much activity except for my use of it as whip of the SCC, I've taken down the GPMIWiki.  If there is demand for a new instance, I'll be happy to help, but there's not much point in having it just hanging out there waiting for spammers to abuse it when nobody is interested in using it for its intended purpose.
- David A Spitzley 8/10/06 10:06pm
 
== sub-categories ==
 
I thought we decided they were okay, after Ray's presentation about nesting categories? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 10:56, 15 August 2006 (EDT)
 
== add and need to clean this damned page up ==
 
http://www.brown.edu/Students/GSC/wiki/Main_Page
 
== RC patrol? ==
 
I didn't know Ray knew how to do it.  I've never seen anyone but me do it here. :-)  Glad to have you aboard! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 01:01, 17 August 2006 (EDT)
 
I think Ray had to learn about it for [[AboutUs]]!!!  Masisve recent change churn. :-)
 
== questions in edit summary? ==
 
How do we answer?
 
''is it ok to keep the external link in the structured data box?'' what does this mean? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 01:39, 17 August 2006 (EDT)
 
== idea for signifying that the community is taking care of its page. ==
 
We have a badge or something, that says, this site is managed or looked after for by the owner of the wiki being mentioned.  This is also applicable for [[AboutUs]].
 
Also, Ted  you are right, I was rushed and asked it in the notes, not a good idea generally.
 
The point was, do we want to enforece keeping likes to the front page and recent changes to the structured data?  Best, Mark
 
 
==Sitemap==
The php script has to be installed by someone with access to the server directory where the wiki resides, so wiki adminship probably isn't enough, I think you have to have ftp access to the server. [[User:Dryguy|Dryguy]] 18:44, 23 August 2006 (EDT)
 
== Great meeting you! ==
 
Hi Mark, it was very nice meeting you at the [[WikiSym]] konference! I just wanted to let you know that, and thank you again for giving me a short interview, which turned out quite well, in terms of material for the film. You had some key points, and I was happy to see they came across, when I reviewed the material today :-) --[[User:Morten Blaabjerg|Morten Blaabjerg]] 19:49, 24 August 2006 (EDT)
 
:I'll be sure to keep you posted! :-) I will also keep a keen eye on what is going on in this space. I also checked out Ray's [[AboutUs]] site, which I find pretty interesting to say the least! Best wishes, --[[User:Morten Blaabjerg|Morten Blaabjerg]] 20:36, 24 August 2006 (EDT)
 
== Open Project Development ==
 
(answer to the question on http://projects.wikia.com )
 
Thank you for asking this question. I mean that 'normal' (or common?) wikis are made to store information. This is not for this (or at least, not only for this): it wants to lead people to activity, or let them organize their activity. This wiki is wiki + activity. --Let's 20:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 
(my first language is italian, it's difficult for me to explain it...)
--[[User:Let's|Let&#39;s]] 17:21, 4 September 2006 (EDT)
 
:Now I got a better definition: "This wiki offers (or wants to offer) the possibility for people to '''do''' something in the ''world'', and to '''collaborate''' through the ''web''". I hope the grammar and so on is right. It would be great to collaborate! If you create an account I'll put the ''news'' template on your talk page, in order to let you see the current events of the wiki. Thank you again --[[User:Let's|Let&#39;s]] 15:39, 6 September 2006 (EDT)
 
== WikiMaas agenda ==


== BackupData not available for the community ==
Hi Mark,
Hi Mark,


Did you return from Denmark well?
at [[WikiIndex:Consensus]] You wrote that ray "provides" the Backup data. How and where does he do this? Where can members of this "community" get hands on it?[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 11:48, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


Do you still want me to write something about the WikiMaas agenda for WikiIndex? If yes, can you give a little indication on the length and such?
:From Your one month of silence I conclude, that the backup is not available for the community. Also I conclude, that You Yourself are not available for Work on this wiki. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 12:08, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
::Usually it's necessary to redact [[mw:Manual:Database_fields_containing_sensitive_data|sensitive data]] anyway, or export it as XML files or something. You can create your own backup by setting up a script to export everything. I've done it before. It is kind of a PITA, though. There was also [[mw:User:Leucosticte/Doing the Newgon stuff]], instructions for exporting stuff from NewgonWiki. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 10:09, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


Greetings,
== Your silly comment about [[WikiWikiWeb]] ==
You wrote "Your efforts have closed the original [[WikiWikiWeb]] (they have moved it to the new [[Smallest Federated Wiki]]) and I request you stop editing the page going forward. [[MarkDilley]]"


Sander (http://wikimaas.org/Sander)
# My efforts can not close [[WikiWikiWeb]]. Ward is the only one who can close it.
<nowiki>Insert non-formatted text here</nowiki>
# They have not moved it.
# And one can not move it to [[Smallest Federated Wiki]] because that is an engine and not a wiki.
# there is no reason whatsoever why I should  not edit a page which contains mistakes.


== wikitravel issue ==
You have never been so wrong before. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:25, 13 February 2015 (UTC)


Mark, I've been having an interesting discussion with Gil of wikia about wikitravel and their competition.  [http://www.chicagocoop.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATedErnst&diff=1547&oldid=1541 Check out his latest answer.] [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 10:54, 14 September 2006 (EDT)
== Weigh in on [[WikiIndex:Proposal: domain name change#Poll]]? ==
I wanted to be sure to draw your attention to a potential [[WikiIndex:Proposal: domain name change|decision to change the domain of this wiki]].  I hope you'll weigh in with your opinion. Thanks! [[User:BrandonCsSanders|BrandonCsSanders]] ([[User talk:BrandonCsSanders|talk]]) 20:09, 13 March 2015 (UTC)


== Moving pages ==
== WikiIndex:Community portal/News ==
Hey Mark, what was that?


Thanks for the vote of confidence, by moving [[The Wiki Synergy Project]] to the main space. A technical point for future reference - using the "move" function (a tab at the top if you're using the normal skin) instead of cutting and pasting, has the advantage of transferring the article history, and updating people's watchlists as well.
Was the '''news''' in this that You woke up and finally noticed something?


Thanks --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 22:37, 23 September 2006 (EDT)
I moved Your "news" to the proper place: [[WikiIndex talk:ServerMove#Google AdSense]]


:I just realized you're a sysop... perhaps I could ask you to undo the recent changes and then redo it as a "move"? (I don't have the rollback feature that would be needed, as I'm not a sysop.) That would be very helpful in terms of keeping track of who has contributed what to the page.
== [[DeWikiIndex]] ==
Koaf said, You know something about: [[WikiIndex talk:ServerMove#ServerMove is Finished]] [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 10:30, 23 March 2015 (UTC)


:Btw, could you perhaps add a sentence of explanation about [[Wikibooks:Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas]], on the Wiki Synergy Project page? I'm not clear on how this relates to the project - or what other wiki(s) you think might have synergy with this. Thanks again. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 22:51, 23 September 2006 (EDT)
== Spam ==
 
'''Please explain''' It seems like we have IP editing but we also have a procedure for requesting an account: that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Can you explain this? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 13:08, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
::Excellent - thanks on both points. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 06:54, 24 September 2006 (EDT)
 
== check out this user ==


[[User:JenniferForUnity]] - see her contributions - awesome energy around the category system [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 15:58, 17 October 2006 (EDT)
:We always hat both, IP-editing and accounts. This is not new and just like on Wikipedia. What is there to explain? We prefer accounts, but don't force it. We prefer real names but don't force it. We perfer pictures in the profiles but don't force it. [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 13:36, 21 May 2015 (PDT)


== [[Category talk:Blog]] ==
::'''Account requests''' Stop changing the titles of my posts. It doesn't make sense to have an account request process when you can edit without an account anyway. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 13:48, 21 May 2015 (PDT)


please see: [[Category talk:Blog]]
:There is quite a difference between something that You don't grasp and something that does not make sense. If You say it does not make sense than it means it is objectively wrong. But if You say it does not make sense to You, it means You simply don't get it. And that is here the case. The situation as is, the possibility of IP editing & accounts at the same time, that makes a lot of sense. Normally I do not use argument by authority or so, but in this case it makes sense: IP editing & accounts is the situation on the whole of Wikipedia. Now You say, You know better than all of them ;-) Say they got no success. [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 13:55, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
::'''Stop please''' Don't change the titles of my posts anymore. Even if you don't like them. In English, you don't capitalize every noun as in German. The only pronoun which is capitalized is "I" or any one that starts a sentence. I have no clue what your response is saying: it's not intelligible to me. You will have to rephrase it if you want me to understand or you can just let Mark respond on his own talk page to a question directed at him in the first place. Thanks anyway. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 14:03, 21 May 2015 (PDT)


== Re: Hello ==
[[User:Koavf|Koavf]], it seems odd to me as well.  Why do we require approval for an account in order to edit if anonymous can just edit anyway?  Why not just allow anyone to create an account and edit if we are going to let ips edit?  One of the major forms of spam on mediawiki installations follows the pattern 1. create account, 2. upload picture, 3. edit page with picture and lots of spam, 4. go away forever.  The ConfirmAccount extension puts a large dent into that particular spam strategy.  A second majore form of spam comes from anonymous editing from ips.  We require ip edits to pass a simple captcha to cut down on spam from them.  Accounts don't have to fill in the captcha.  Does that explanation make sense?  [[User:BrandonCsSanders|BrandonCsSanders]] ([[User talk:BrandonCsSanders|talk]]) 22:21, 21 May 2015 (PDT)


[http://unitysupporters.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:JenniferForUnity Mark wrote here]:
: In order to save this edit I had to answer the question: "What is the name of this wiki?"  -- Brandon as [[Special:Contributions/76.27.247.138|76.27.247.138]] 22:22, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
::'''Spam filtering''' Nice. So the spam that we have recently received was from a human that copy and pasted it onto the wiki rather than a bot just drive-by spamming? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 22:50, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
::: Probably automated by a human who answered the captcha once for their script.  The captcha is really really simple and never changes. -- [[User:BrandonCsSanders|BrandonCsSanders]] ([[User talk:BrandonCsSanders|talk]]) 23:05, 21 May 2015 (PDT)


"Hi Jennifer, I am at WikiIndex and was wondering if you had seen this: [http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?RadicalInclusiveness]. Looks like you are doing some cool stuff here. Look forward..Best, [[MarkDilley]]"
So, as it was to be expected, Mark did not make any useful input to this question. I wonder why You Koavf started this question at this deserted space wich has a long history of unanswered questions? Why not at [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki]]?
:'''You can stop now''' It's only been a few hours--get over it. I posted here because Mark knows something about the backend of how the site works. If I just wanted to get an admin's attention, I could have done it myself as I am an admin here. You can stop posting here now unless you have something useful to say. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 06:07, 22 May 2015 (PDT)


:I think one of the most interesting parts of getting involved in net politics has to be how educational it is... I've learned about wikis and communities and policy making and on and on. That's for the link. :-)  This feels like a ''big'' issue. I'll have to spend some time digesting it I think. (Fun!)
{{outdent}}See [[WikiIndex:Community portal/News#01 February 2014]] for the related discussion. In short, many spamming technologies change over time. Once upon a time [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special:Log&offset=20140213135032&type=&user=&page=&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1 spam was crazy], but my filter was powerful enough to filter [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special:Log&offset=20140212124559&type=&user=Zhuyifei1999&page=&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1 most of them] out. Then spammers decided to stop. They spammed with [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=12 usernames instead], which again got filtered. Then spammers decided to simply [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special:Log&offset=20140221205458&limit=50&type=newusers&user=&page=&tagfilter= flood accounts with random names]. This, however, could not be prevented. That made some admins stressed, so Confirm Account was installed.


:- [[User:JenniferForUnity|JenniferForUnity]] 11:55, 21 October 2006 (EDT)
However, things change. Spammers no longer try for accounts. They simply started [[Special:Log/block|spamming without account]] instead. I would develop some filters against this, but I see no easy algorithm to identify such edits. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 05:50, 24 May 2015 (PDT)


== visual wiki index ==
Relevant part of Discussion copied here: [[WikiIndex talk:Spam control policy#2015 discussion]]


Hi Mark, please would you have a look on this:
== Sysop rights ==
[[Proposal:Visual WikiIndex]] --[[User:Peu|Peu]] 17:17, 24 October 2006 (EDT)
Hello, I am an active person here. Can I ask for sysop rights? --[[Special:Contributions/User:Gabriele|Gabriele]] ([[User talk:Gabriele|talk]]) 07:48, 24 May 2015 (PDT)


== blog functionality in media wiki ==
Hi Gabriele,  just checking, are you requesting deletion of your account page?  If so, I am confused by this request.  Let me know.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]


http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/My_blog
I have removed my page because it contained personal information. I have created it again. --[[Special:Contributions/User:Gabriele|Gabriele]] ([[User talk:Gabriele|talk]]) 00:48, 1 June 2015 (PDT)


==PB Wiki Network==
==Why not public?==
http://pbwikinetwork.pbwiki.com/
Hey Mark, if You don't want to take responsibility [[WikiIndex_talk:Community_portal#Adminship.2C_how_to_promote]] then why do You discuss such matters concerning us all so privately instead of on the community portal or at least on the admin board? Is this Your 'vision' of community building? [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 09:23, 8 June 2015 (PDT)


== contact me ==
== When You like something, facts become irrelevant? ==
[[WhatIsWiki]] You should know better. --[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 08:37, 5 August 2015 (PDT)


Mark, thanks for your note.  You can contact me wiki at dave jenkins dot com (really).  [[User:Davejenk1ns|Davejenk1ns]] 00:44, 11 July 2007 (EDT)
== Do You want to do something useful? ==
[[:Category:Pages for deletion]] --[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 09:58, 6 August 2015 (PDT)


==request==
== [[User talk:Technische-Analyse.EU]] ==
Could you delete my userpage, [[User:Canderous]] and the page [[Canderous]]? Thanks [[User:Canderous|Canderous]] 05:16, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
Hey Mr. Comunity-building,
this user which You created seems to be unresponsive to whatever one writes to him.
And he loves to delete historical data.
--[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 02:02, 8 January 2016 (PST)


== What do you think about external wikiindex entry points? ==
Since You did not understand that quotation and asked for an explanation:
You may know it in its imprecise form:
"Those who do not remember their history are doomed to repeat it."
It is about our mission statement, co-created by You, that we do record wiki history as well.
Why are we doing so?
I don't know why You would like to,
but in the light of said quotation we do record wiki history in order to help wiki people,
those people who not only consume wiki but create and drive wiki,
not be doomed to repeat the(ir) mistakes of the past.
Therefore, wiki history is content for wiki people.
And please do not edit my talk page contributions on other talk pages than Yours!
That user has sufficiently censored our contributions on his talk page already!
[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 01:18, 11 January 2016 (PST)


Hi Mark,
== Movement ==
What means: "Cross MediaWiki direction to remove people from the User namespace)"?
I thought the user namespace is for users?[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 03:21, 2 February 2016 (PST)


please have a look on [[Proposal:WikiIndex Pages on indexed Wikis]] --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 07:03, 3 October 2007 (EDT)
: '''Profiles''' Since we also have pages that discuss individuals, your userpage is in the main namespace and your usertalk is in the user talk. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 06:46, 2 February 2016 (PST)


== Sysop-tag ==
:: At the time we decided what Koavf mentioned above, we decided to keep pseudonyms in the user namespace as to encourage [[WikiIndex:Real names|real names]].  Best, [[MarkDilley]]


Hi Mark,
:: AFAIK "pages that discuss individuals" individuals here means [[WikiIndex:Peoples pages]] or [[:Category:Wiki people]]. [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 08:24, 2 February 2016 (PST)


There's a new [[template:sysop]] that can be used to tag users, which are currently active sysops. I think this will be good, because only sysops have the right to bluck/unblock and if someone feels blocked he needs help. --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 06:43, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
::: At what time? [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 08:22, 2 February 2016 (PST)
:Hi Mark again, if you use the sysop tag, your place the appropriate talk link into your page. Regards --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 03:36, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
:::: Found it here: [[WikiIndex:Namespace conventions]]. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


== Reporting spammers ==
:::::I see. So, new users with real names immediately go to main space without them even requesting it? How Do You konw they are using real names? I think it should be made policy to A: ask new users if they names are real and B ask them if they are willing to appear in main namespace. Users obviously using pseudos should be asked if the like to change to real name or if they like to get additional real name page in name space as well. [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 16:07, 2 February 2016 (PST)


* [[Special:Contributions:170.211.210.3]]
==Hans Christian Isak Mørch Holm==
* [[Special:Contributions/60.10.6.170]]
What are You smoking? [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 11:57, 30 May 2016 (PDT)
* [[Special:Contributions/12.145.215.94]]
* [[Special:Contributions/217.171.176.46]]


Seems to be one of those new kinds of spammers who vandalise (with gibberish) a few times, then link spam a few pages. Probably bears watching. [[User:Nathan|Nathan]] 22:48, 14 October 2007 (EDT)
== Please finish the work You have started ==
:I blocked them. Nathan, please add spam reports to our new [[SysopTalk]], so any admin can take care on it. regards --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 02:51, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
Or do You want to show is, that it is below [[Special:Contributions/76.27.236.154|You]] to create complete wiki entries? [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 10:22, 16 June 2016 (PDT)


== Synergy ==
Revision history of "[[BME Encyclopedia]]" shows, You where not only the one who created the doublet of this wiki page, also You choose the wrong entry as base for the merger. The older entries history should be in the merged article. [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 10:54, 18 August 2016 (PDT)


Hi Mark,  
: Manorainjan, You are so very tedious.  Time for wiki vacation again.  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


Lots of exciting stuff happening at Appropedia - including connecting with new people and groups. I know you like to see synergy happening, so would be happy to fwd/cc an an email. I have good internet for a few days too, so Skype is possible - I'm Chriswaterguy on that system, and to send an electronic letter, it's the same username with the appropedia and the organizational suffix. Would be good to bounce ideas around. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins a.k.a. Chriswaterguy]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 08:52, 1 November 2007 (EDT)
The one who is tired calls others tedious as a result of his psychological projection. That is the one who needs a vacation. I'm not tired, I'm fine. I'm autonomously controlling the dispatching of my energy. Therefore I never need a vacation. [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 02:01, 19 August 2016 (PDT)


== the timezone... ==
: Exactly. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


Hi Mark,
this [[:Category:Hobby]] is another clean up of work which You caused and did not finish. [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 03:25, 27 August 2016 (PDT)


...template exists now and seem to work properly. Greetings --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 03:21, 23 November 2007 (EST)
== Cleaning of TOS ==
What You can expect if You provide email during registration, '''has''' to be part of the registration page! --[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 11:12, 23 October 2016 (PDT)


== [[TransWiki]] ==
== What for are talk pages? ==
https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=User:Databoy&diff=next&oldid=193957
What where You thinking?
If anyone would like to talk to Databoy, You directed him to his user page.
It was to be expected, that Databoy does not want any talk on his user page.
Whom do You know, who prefers talk on his user page?
So I'm asking You: What where You thinking?
Where is the logic in Your action?
Who would benefit from that redirect and how?
Be precise in Your answer!!
--[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 12:11, 12 December 2016 (PST)


Thanks for your interest! Personally, I feel that public transit is a huge part of our society's structure (Even as I write this, a public transit bus has just drove by). Hundreds of cities use public transit systems, all of which have many links, and they all have separate websites. [[TransWiki]] allows us, as a society, to bring together all the information about public transit systems into one site, making it easy to access and to allow people how to use their systems more efficiently. :) - [[User:Enzo Aquarius|Enzo Aquarius]] 18:47, 10 December 2007 (EST)
:Your disrespect for Mark, one of the fairest admins on this site, is absolutely astonishing. [[User:Databoy|Databoy]] ([[User talk:Databoy|talk]]) 18:13, 12 December 2016 (PST)


== Section in "your" list ==
::So You are astonished, that somebody can be more disrespectful than You in Your eyes? Besides that, what is Your mission on WikiIndex? What do You intend to contribute besides conflict that causes the admins waste of time about one single entry?  --[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 01:35, 13 December 2016 (PST)
:::There was no conflict until you appeared and started putting your nose into other people's business. And if you're so concerned about the admins wasting their time, perhaps you shouldn't complain to them. [[User:Databoy|Databoy]] ([[User talk:Databoy|talk]]) 04:17, 13 December 2016 (PST)


Hi Mark,
==[[:Category:WikiIndex account]]==
I hope you did'nt make it by hand. The Numbering was for the total amount, but sections are no problem to me. Maybe I'll sort/reformat it from time to time. But I hope the list will be done sometimes. Best regards, [[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 17:30, 13 March 2008 (EDT)
You got it wrong, as usual. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 01:52, 25 January 2017 (PST)


==Hey==
You are a lovely person to work with, as usual. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
Hey Mark, you might like to clear [[:Category:DeletePage|this out]] and yeah try updating to the latest version of [[mw:Download|MediaWiki]] (1.12.0.) which is more stable than the previous version..cheers...--[[User:Comets|Comets]] 13:37, 24 March 2008 (EDT)


== politics.ie wiki ==
Thanks ;-) --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 07:49, 25 January 2017 (PST)


Since you contributed to Politics.ie article, wanted you to know of a question at [[Talk:Politics.ie Wiki]]. --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 17:41, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
So, You prefer to do things the wrong way around, as usual? --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 07:55, 25 January 2017 (PST)
==Wikia==
Hello, Markdilley. Can the KUW (A german Club about Wikis) make a german version of Wikiindex on Wikia? When yes, than please write on my talkpage on [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:BobaCartman Wikia]. Thank, you! Gruß, <span class="plainlinks">[http://de.wikia.com/wiki/Benutzer:BobaCartman <span style="color:#0000CD;"> BobaCartman </span>]</span> 10:58, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
:''Hello, MarkDilley. (I want say now, I can't very goog english) I can't do that, because I have two Wikis. My friend JangoCartman want to do that. I planed the URL: http://de.wikiindex.wikia.com/ I thing (To 100%) it is possibility. Thank you, BobaCartman''
::Hello, MarkDilley. I'm sendet you this E-Mail. VaderCartman (He, JangoCartman, Klamsy0710 and I have a Club named Confederacy of Independent Wikis) [http://requests.wikia.com/wiki/De.Dewikiindex requestet this Wiki], but Wikia wan't make that. Why you can see on the request. Can we make maybe the URL: de.wikiindex.org ?


::Gruß, <span class="plainlinks">[http://de.wikia.com/wiki/Benutzer:BobaCartman <span style="color:#0000CD;"> BobaCartman </span>]</span> 01:16, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
== Hey, Mark ==
Since you're a leader of this wiki, I figured I might as well point you to [[WikiIndex talk:Policies and Guidelines|a little vote]] I've started regarding our wiki people policies. --[[User talk:Rock-O-Jello|This is MY book, and I'm gonna READ IT!!!]] 10:18, 25 January 2017 (PST)
: Is this the section you are referring to? [[WikiIndex talk:Policies and Guidelines#Wiki people policy]] ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


== Moving page ==
I'm actually pretty annoyed that you moved my old username -> my current username without asking me first. I have outlined my reasons in a mail.


==Cool, thanks!==
This is something you should have asked me about beforehand and in my opinion, this should not be the default whenever someone changes their name or username. They may have privacy issues or other reasons and may not want this. If I can make a suggestion, you really should ask the user before you do it.
Thanks for the welcome, Mark! [[User:BushyTree|BushyTree]] 20:06, 6 July 2008 (EDT)


== Vandal ==
I'd like you to please delete that redirect, which I guess means delete old and new userpages (since old has been moved to new and the history is there for anyone to find). To be clear, I don't want any association with that name at all. Think about it for a second & you should understand why.


[[User:Deborah]] has vandalized the [[Conservapedia]] article. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 17:09, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
I shouldn't have to tell you. I refuse to be defined by my mistakes. That name does not exist anymore. It needs to vanish like a bad dream.


Deborah deleted everything she didn't like again.  I've restored it for the moment. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 12:56, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
Thanks in advance for understanding. [[User:Alexander|Alexander]] ([[User talk:Alexander|talk]]) 14:06, 14 February 2017 (PST)
:Sssssss... Get out of bed! ''{scares Mark out of bed}'' --[[User:Snuffleupagus|Snuffleupagus]] 12:34, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
::Don't forget this user and talk page too, as you moved old to new. Thanks. [[User:Alexander|Alexander]] ([[User talk:Alexander|talk]]) 14:18, 14 February 2017 (PST)


[[User:Deborah]] has deleted everything she didn't like again.  I've restored it for  the moment yet again. I suggest you contact her and ask her to compromise. My computer's broken down and I'm limited to public computers at the moment. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 10:59, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
== HTTP 500 Internal Server Error ==
Hello Mark, hope you are well. :)


I've registered with  About Us with my real name but I'm having second thoughts as Internet safety experts advise against thisI haven't activated the account yet. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 17:03, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
I am getting blocked from editing certain pages here - returning the above HTTP 500 errorDo you have any ideas what is happening?


== Problem user ==
Best regards  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 14:28, 27 April 2017 (PDT)


[http://liberapedia.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Ajuk#Dagoth_Ur.2C_Mad_God Dagoth Ur, Mad God] has an account [[User:Dagoth Ur, Mad God|here]]I suggest you watch him.  I don’t know the truth. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 15:27, 8 September 2008 (EDT)
: Hi Sean, well thank you, hope you are well tooAre you getting the error still? ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
:Where's me money? ''[reaches inside Mark's pocket and steals wallet]'' --[[User:Mr. Krabs|Mr. Krabs]] 13:04, 23 September 2008 (EDT)


== Lost Password and no Email Addy Registered ==
::I'm not too good - awaiting knee surgery at the moment :-(
Hello, I am [[User:YouWiki]] and I run [http://youwiki.tk Youwiki]. I have forgotten my password and I have not registered my email address in the WikiIndex system. Could you please delete my account or send me my password via my talk page on [http://youwiki.tk YouWiki] (go to User Talk:Willemhenskens) so that I can log in to update my page? Thanks.
::Errors are still bothersome - I've discovered three specific errors, and raised them with Koavf [[User talk:Koavf#Buggy software|here]].  The HTTP 500 error seems to be happening when trying to edit large-ish articles.  [[Template:Wiki status]] is one which refuses to save even the smallest error and gives the HTTP 500.  I also tried to archive some of the older messages from [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki]] and save them to [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki/Archive 2014-15]], but it refuses with the HTTP 500. I've searched on MediaWiki.org, and it indicates some kind of throttling or size limit on the setup of the software. :-/


== A new sysop? ==
::I'm also getting very random white-page 'database errors'.  Even on the smallest articles it occurs, and cache clearing doesn't seem to help.  Finally, [[Special:Upload]] refuses to work - I can't upload any new logos.  Hopefully, you can get Ray or Brandon to resolve the issues.  Oh - Happy May Day to you!  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 07:16, 1 May 2017 (PDT)


Hi Mark,
::: Hopefully fixed now, errant backup script was eating disk space [[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small> 21:23, 2 May 2017 (PDT)
what would you think about [[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] as Sysop? At present, he's the [http://www.wikiindex.org/Special:Contributions/MarvelZuvembie most active user] and seems to be interested in sysop-stuff. Best --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 03:09, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
:I'm Snuffleupagus! ''[makes furnace noises through snuffle]'' f-f-f-f-f-f ''[in a normal voice]'' Get out of bed! ''[pokes Mark with snuffle, Mark jumps out of bed]'' --[[User:Snuffleupagus|Snuffleupagus]] 12:06, 4 November 2008 (EST)


== Conservaèdia ==
== Cheking with Ward ==
In 2010 You said "As far as I understand, [[PortlandPatternRepository]] is the first wiki and was nicknamed the [[WikiWikiWeb]]." and You are going to check with ward: http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Talk:WikiWikiWeb&diff=77664&oldid=77653
* Did You do that?
* What was the result?


Hello, I have a question: Are wiki-index articles supposed to be filled with hateful criticism of the wikis? It is weird, but the '''only wiki in the whole wiki-index with a criticism section is Conservapedia'''. And it takes most of the article! I think it should be only an index. Do not you think? People of RationalWiki should not be the ones who edit that article! (Gulik, Proxima Centauri)
I did, remember vaguely that he confirmed. Check out C2.com ''Portland Pattern Repository's Wiki'' ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


At every other single article of this wikiindex, the editors of the article on a wiki are its administrators or people involved with the wiki directly. Except Conservapedia. It does not deserve it because it is christian! Liberals talk a lot about discrimination but they are the most discriminating anyone would ever find.
--[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 09:24, 29 April 2017 (PDT)


It is really discriminating, I ask you please to intervene and let the CP's people to manage their own entry. I am not a conservapedian, I am not really interested on managing that entry, I just think it is not fair at all. Wiki-index should not be a place where to '''push''' personal agendas.
== Problems remain, some serious ==
Hi Mark


Summary:
We still have problems with our WikiIndex MediaWiki configuration, and I think they need some urgent attention.  I'll try to list as follows:<br>
* Conservapedia is the '''only wiki''' in the whole wikiindex that has a criticism section <- '''Discrimination'''
A) database error - I can't remember the exact wording, but I am still getting blocked from saving an edit - with an on-screen error message regarding database something :-P<br>
* Rationalwiki editors are the one who edit the entry and '''revert most other people's edits''' <- '''Discrimination'''
B) autopatrolled - I am regularly getting my own edits appearing with the "mark this edit as patrolled"!  This simply should not occur.  Autopatrolled edits should happen automatically for every registered user who has made more than 10 edits. I think I have passed that threshold <he says, tounge in cheek>.<br>
* Conservapedia is the '''only wiki''' in the whole wikiindex whose own editors are let to manage the article on their wiki<- '''Discrimination'''
C) spam blacklist - I am occasionally getting blocked from saving edits by either the [[spam blacklist]], and / or one of the [[Abuse Filter]]s.  These occurrences have happened on existing articles, where the "blocked" phrase or word was already on said article.  A recent example is on [[Regiowikis]]Look under the Romania sub-heading - it won't let me save the text which I had to comment out - because it contained "c u r e".  As an [[Sysop|Administrator]], I should automatically be allowed to bypass all blacklists and Abuse Filter triggers - but something must be quite wrong in our software config.<br>
* Guilk has menaced with adding more criticism.   <- '''Harassment'''
And finally, for now;<br>
<s>D) page protection failure - I was given a heads up on my user talk page about some possible vandalism by Manor.  Upon investigation, I noticed that [[WikiIndex:Add a Wiki]] had some drivel editing by an [[IP editor]].  This is exceedingly alarming!  That specific page has been protected (since 2013, I think) so that ONLY sysops can edit it.  Something is seriously wrong if an IP editor can edit a supposedly protected page at will.</s>  Wrong example, I need to find the correct one.


I think it should be enough with a sentence like "This site only accepts contributions from a biblic christian point of view, any other kind of contributions can lead to a block of the user" to explain users the likes of being blocked there
I noticed Koavf blocked said IP for 2 weeks, and reverted one of their vandal edits, but some still remain - so I will check all their edits.


I hope you can intervene. This whole thing is sick and discriminating
Can you please ask Ray to look into these issues asap please?  Best,  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 12:53, 26 May 2017 (PDT)


The neutrality of this beautiful wiki-index is being risked[[User:Eros of Fire|Eros of Fire]] 08:10, 19 November 2008 (EST)
: Thanks for reaching out Sean. I passed along info.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]


== Conservapedia, RationalWiki etc ==
==[[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki#Inactivity of administrators]]==
There’s an edit war in progress over [[Conservapedia]], [[RationalWiki]], and [[The Conservapedia RationalWiki war]].  More can be found on the talk pages of all 3 articles and in the page histories.  I’m biased in favour of RationalWiki.  Conservapedia supporters would an impartial administrator to intervene.  I will try to summarize objectively.
Hey, master of Visions, lover of communities plodding on, would You care to conduct a survey amongst the inactive admins about their reasons? --[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 03:12, 4 June 2017 (PDT)
#’’’RationalWiki point of view:’’’  Conservapedia deserves the criticism. Conservapedia regularly blocks and deletes dissent on its website.  They want to prevent criticism similarly here.  There are especially large articles criticizing Conservapedia on Wikiindex because there are special problems with Conservapedia.
#’’’ Conservapedia point of view:’’’  RationalWiki are wiki vandals and irresponsible atheists.  We struggle to keep our wiki Christian and fundamentalist and RationalWiki vandals cause us constant problems. (As a RationalWikian I feel this criticism is true of a few RationalWikians but not all).  No other wiki has such long prominent criticism and Conservapedia shouldn’t either.  If criticism is allowed here critical sections can spread to other wikis and explode out of control.  Some users who appear neutral also feel that criticism shouldn’t be allowed because of this.


I’ve considered things.  It can be a shock when a user doesn’t know that he/she is committing a blockable offense and suddenly is looking at a ban window. This can happen on many wikisProblems with users being blocked for expressing dissenting views aren’t unique to ConservapediaTo address this I’ve made a new category, [http://www.wikiindex.org/Category:Wikis_with_a_strong_viewpoint Wikis with a strong viewpoint].  To be neutral I’ve included many secular wikis as well as religious wikis in this category. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 04:45, 22 November 2008 (EST)
: Good idea, I have no time to be involved in that. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
::Does it ''really'' matter if any admin is 'inactive'? There are two specific methods that any person (even [[IP editor]]s) can use to check the activity of [[sysop]]s, that are universally enabled on all public MediaWiki sitesMe thinks Manor is just snooping for the sake of snooping:-/  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 15:06, 7 December 2017 (PST)


I.m thinking of a 4th article stating mainly the Conservapedia point of view. As I see it Andrew Schlafly has 20,000 pages to express his  right-wing Christian fundamentalist point of view.  He has it because his mother can afford to finance it. His views don't merit that coverage. I don't think 3 pages here to counteract 20,000 pages is to much.  I won't have much time for a few hours.  I'll be busy on RationalWiki refuting the latest Schlafly stuff that Darwin  and other evolutionists are  responsinble for what Hitler did.  I'll have time to drop back here.
== Thank You Notification ==
On Wikipedia there is this functionality that You can send thanks to editors for their edits.
Don't You think, this positive kind of reaction could be useful in enhancing wiki community? --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 10:42, 6 December 2017 (PST)


I don't think this type of essay article will spread throughout Wikindex.  Users arn't interested enough in writing them. If essay articles develop they could potentially make Wikiindex more interesting and help the wiki to grow.  I have no opinions one way or the other about [[Wookieepedia]] as I don't know the wiki. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 02:29, 23 November 2008 (EST)
: Sure if you or others would like to do that, I think it is a great idea. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
:Four articles about Conservapedia seems like a bit much. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:32, 23 November 2008 (EST)


== cool features ==
== Advertising on WikiIndex ==
Hi Mark.  Just found a comment you made back in 2011 about [http://ross.typepad.com/blog/2011/07/brands-in-google-plus.html#comment-6a00d8341cd8a453ef014e89bf7ce4970d web advertising on GooglePlus], and your clear preference of having an 'off' button for the [[:Category:Advertising|ads]].  This ties in with recent thoughts of my own, following my discovery that WikiIndex has a [[:Category:Google|Google AdSense]] account set up, but not currently enabled.  I noticed that our MediaWiki config allows us to have the ads displaying for Anon users and [[IP editor]]s, but can also turn off the ads once logged in.  This is actually an identical modus operandi which many other wikis use - both independent and major [[wiki farm]]s such as [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]] and the former [[:Category:Wikkii|Wikkii]].


I thought I remembered a page here at WikiIndex that described the "cool features" that some wiki have.
I actually see two positive benefits of enabling Anon ads; the first an obvious is a valuable income stream (which shouldn't be dismissed lightly), the second is that it will hopefully improve our wiki community by dangling a carrot and 'encouraging' IP editors to create an account. Naturally, we can edit our Anon site notice to the effect that logging in will remove the ads.
Alas, I can't seem to find it today.
Could you help me find it?
Or am I mis-remembering [[WikiFeatures]] ?
--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 13:48, 5 December 2008 (EST)


:It's [[:Category:GreatFeature]]. :-) --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 21:26, 5 December 2008 (EST)
The only downside is that ads ''do'' annoy a small percentage of wiki users (but this is no different to life in general, be they ads on TV, or on newspaper websites, etc). In reality, though, if we do happen to p!ss off a tiny minority who detest ads, they probably would not be a valuable community asset anyway!


:: Thank you, that's exactly what I wanted. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 09:21, 9 December 2008 (EST)
I am suggesting this, because, whilst the previous efforts of [[Brandon]] and [[Emufarmers]] are greatly appreciated, WikiIndex really does deserve much better backend support.  There are still many bugs outstanding since the last upgrade by Brandon back in 2015, and I am not sure when our database was last backed up!


== sushi ==
What are your thoughts, please?  Can you run this past Ray?  Best regards as always.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 07:12, 9 December 2017 (PST)


I don't understand the purpose of [[:Category:SUSHIwiki]].
:We're pretty familiar with AdSense from our days at AboutUs.  I recall that you need quite a bit of traffic to generate any meaningful revenue.  The more prominent the ad(s), the more revenue and the more "junked up" the site looks.  I don't mind an experiment, like maybe an ad under the menu on the left, but not sure who can easily set this up.  Also, I don't mind simply trying to get better back end support in place.  Open to thoughts [[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small>
Are there enough wiki that discuss raw fish that we need an entire category about it?
Or does "SUSHI" mean something entirely different here?
--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 09:55, 9 December 2008 (EST)


:In this case, it's clone of WikiWikiWeb, not a foodstuff. But I bet that someday there will be multiple wikis which devote themselves to sushi. :-) --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 18:32, 11 December 2008 (EST)
::Do we have anywhere statistical data about the traffic in WikiIndex? I had asked for such quite some time ago:[[WikiIndex:SiteStats]]. No response by now.... [[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 11:13, 13 December 2017 (PST)


:''yep, a [[WikiEngine]] ~~ [[MarkDilley]]''
::: I don't, maybe someone else does? [[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small>


== Addition of a wikiFactor?  ==
::::If You don't have such data, than nobody has. Since years, for the most part, this community is in strict denial of the acceptance of the unimportance of this wiki. Therefore anything that could lead to actual data that would allow comparisons with the other entities in the wikisphere which we are to cartograph are avoided. Even the one method which we used to measure other wikis with - the [[Special:PopularPages|wikiFactor]] - we have given up and [[User_talk:Koavf#wikiFactor|are not to renew it]]. [[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 11:52, 13 December 2017 (PST)
:::::If Ray doesn't have immediate access to that data, it may still exist. In fact, it very likely does with the host. If you think this wiki is unimportant, then I'm not sure why you bother to even say so. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 12:19, 13 December 2017 (PST)


Dear MarkDilley,
==WikiIndex:Community portal/News==
It's a news page, not a chat room. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 13:26, 14 December 2017 (PST)


I have just started the page [[Proposal:wikiFactor]], and it would be wonderful if you would take a look. All the best --[[User:Spud Gun | <b><FONT COLOR="#8B3A3A">Carl McBride</FONT></b>]] ([[User_talk:Spud_Gun |talk]]) 05:49, 4 March 2009 (EST)
:If [[WikiIndex:Community portal/News]] is for "news and chat" as You prefer to believe, than for what is [[WikiIndex talk:Community portal/News|WikiIndex '''talk''':Community portal/News]]? And why is it called News and not '''News & Chat and whatever crosses Marks mind'''? --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 14:32, 14 December 2017 (PST)


==Re:hint==
==[[Special:AbuseFilter/12|Abuse filter 12]] blocking sign-up for [[Special:Contributions/Jordan_D|Jordan D]]==
Thanks, I actually had seen both options used, thus didn't really know which one was the recommended one :) [[User:Patheticcockroach|Patheticcockroach]] 03:03, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
Hi Mark, hope you are well.
:Well, when using {{tl|Inactive}}, the infobox is almost totally hidden, and the logo is replaced with a "this wiki is inactive" picture. While when keeping the wiki template with wiki_status = Inactive, the infobox still appears normally. [[User:Patheticcockroach|Patheticcockroach]] 03:11, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
::Ah, right, categories remain the same when using {{tl|wiki}} with wiki_status = Inactive ([[Whistleblowers Canada|example]]). [[User:Patheticcockroach|Patheticcockroach]] 03:23, 10 March 2009 (EDT)


== Wiki License ==
I have been looking through the [[Special:AbuseLog|Abuse filter log]] and noticed a trigger alert of 25 August 2018 disallowing the creation of a [[username]] (and therefore account) by [[Special:Contributions/Jordan_D|Jordan D]] that contained the word 'Jordan'.  Knowing that is an acceptable christian name / given name and/or surname, I amended [[Special:AbuseFilter/12|Abuse filter 12]] to effectively allow 'Jordan' to create an account contaning said username.  Further down the abuse filter log, I also noticed that both Ray and yourself tried to manually create a user account for the same Jordan D on 15 July 2018, but without success.  Now that I have amended offending abuse filter, if either yourself or Ray still have contact details for Jordan D, maybe you (or Ray) can try again to create his account.


Hi Mark. I just asked the same question of [[User talk:Speckmade|Speckmade]]: how do we categorize sites which claim copyright of user submission within the "Wiki License" parameter of <nowiki>{{Wiki}}</nowiki>? Currently there are categories for most of the "copyleft" wiki licenses, but there's no way to categorize wikis which don't follow this practice. I'd make one myself, but I'm not really sure what to call it. I assume that people will want to know when a site retains copyright over submissions. Thanks, [[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 16:42, 13 March 2009 (EDT)
I shall copy the above to [[User talk:Ray King]], just in case Ray has more time or still has the contact details of Jordan D.  Miss your input here, hope you can find time to actively return.  Do I guess you are currently busy with the US Mid-Term electionsAll the best.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 07:10, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 
:OK, thanks. I may just make a category called "Site retains copyright" or something. But, I think I'll wait for Speckmade to respond as well before I do anything. :-) --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:58, 14 March 2009 (EDT)
 
== here... more... ==
 
[http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Welcome&diff=64291&oldid=63858 Great!] I fight against these meaningless link captions too. If only one could search for them! ;-) Greetings --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 05:55, 26 March 2009 (EDT)
 
== Maybe I'm missing something, but your [[MarkDilley]] page looks broken ==
 
Hi,
 
You just welcomed me (thanks by the way) and invited me to turn myself into an article (like you have). So I looked at the [[MarkDilley]] article to see how you were doing it and the following things look broken to me:
* You have some HTML showing up on the top of the page (part of a table),
* You have 'Image:Sparkitchaticon-small.gif' showing on the page (but no image so this is a redlink inviting people to upload the image) and
* You have the text 'Talk to me' which links to 'User_talk:Sparkit' instead of this page. There is no 'User_talk:Sparkit' on the wiki, so this is a redlink that invites people to edit the page.
 
That aside, I think I get the point of the two pronged thing. I might give it a go when I have some other stuff done elsewhere. [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 19:39, 11 April 2009 (EDT)
 
== Me as an article ==
 
As per your suggestion on my talk page, I've added myself as an article. Please feel free to add any categories that need to be added. [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 12:30, 12 April 2009 (EDT)
 
== Dicuss, warn, or block? ==
 
Hi Mark,
 
I reverted all the contributions of an anonymous user today ([[Special:Contributions/67.224.218.67]]). Although he wasn't spamming, I don't feel that his personal assessment of the value of these wikis is relevant to this site, particularly as they were expressed. I could block him outright, but I wonder if it would be more appropriate to give him a warning or simply state on his talk page that he's missed the point of this site. Any thoughts?
 
--[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 19:27, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
 
:Update: I've opted for "discuss". --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 13:48, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
 
::Thanks for getting back to me, Mark. I agree that we could review wikis (and of course there's always some subjectivity in deciding a wiki's status and in how to describe a wiki's content). I think it could add to the usefulness of the site. However, it wasn't how I perceived the site's mission as it stands right now. And if when we do review wikis, I hope it's something a bit more informative than "this wiki sux", which is approximately the level of usefulness that I see this particular user's comments as being. Please let me know if I get too far off base, though. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 12:51, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
 
:::After reading the [[Wikia]] article, I was wondering if this wiki was here to list wikis or review them. See [[:Category_talk:Wikia#Criticism|my comments in the Criticism section of the Wikia talk page]]. --[[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 12:38, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
 
::::Rereading the Welcome page, I noticed the statement "We strive to share wiki experiences and encourage wiki folk to think about issues in wikidom." I guess you can't really do that without giving your personal perspective. I'm just so used to the "neutral point of view" ethos of Wikipedia, I extended it to this wiki. ;-) I agree that providing one's impression of a wiki could be helpful to visitors. I just would hate to see more edit wars like occurred with the entry for [[Conservapedia]]. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 22:16, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
 
Excellent thoughts from both of you - thanks!  In my mind, one of the most amazing things about [[wiki]] is that it can provide a path forward in conflict.  Given that a [[wiki]] can provide space for an endless [[EditWar]] - what other options are available?  Can either party think of a way to work with the other?  Should one or both be banned?  etc...  Wikipedia (the 800 pound gorilla in the room :-)  does provide many people to think that wiki is neutral point of view - but it is certainly a standard for that wiki. I am interested in this question as a community question.  I know what I had in mind when I (and others) created this wiki - and how that fits with what others think and want is very important to me.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
 
:Hmm. Maybe this is a topic that you should move off of your discussion page (and the Wikia discussion page) onto a more general discussion page. My personal perspective is that I originally came here '''only''' to set up the page for [[Spelljammer Wiki]] and run away. But, as I'm now hunting for other Dungeons & Dragons related wikis, this is as good a place as any, for me to 'dump' links to them. For me the size of the wiki is the most important thing in your statistics. (The wiki engine is relevant, but if a cool wiki has a wiki engine I dislike, I'll still visit it.) Something else that is important to me (but probably not for WikiIndex) is understanding if a Dungeons & Dragons wiki deals with 'canon' information (i.e. it is an encyclopedia that describes the existing D&D campaign setting) or if it exists to encourage people to create 'fanon' content (i.e. it is a work of colaborative fan expansion to the original D&D campaign setting). Things like the skin that Wikia forces people to view (and/or adverts) are largly uninteresting to me. However, if there ''was'' a policy, I would try to make sure I didn't make any edits that ''broke'' the policy.
:I think that doing things like mentioning on the category page of a wiki farm (like Wikia), that '''some''' people do not like adverts, does not really help to extend that 'complaint'/'negative feature' out to all the wikis on that wiki farm. I wonder if [[Template:Wiki]] could (or even should) be updated to include a line that mentions if a wiki has adverts (or any other multi-wiki features that people might like/dislike). I wonder if Template:Wiki should have alternative 'subtemplates' that cater for groups of wikis that use the wiki engine to make a specialist type of wiki (like an encyclopedia of the fiction within a computer MMORPG like World of Warcraft) where specific wiki policies (such as encouraging or banning fan fiction) are either attractive features or things that make the wiki unsuitable for the purpose of the reader. [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 06:42, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
:EDIT: [[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] has already done this. See: [[WikiIndex_talk:Community_talk#Site_reviews]]. [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 07:09, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
 
::It's certainly possible to add extra fields to the <nowiki>{{</nowiki>Wiki}} template. Naturally, I'd recommend creating a proposal for such first. (I think there's a link to proposals on the Community Portal.) Whether or not a wiki allows advertising seems like a logical addition to the template. Just recently, Speckmade added the "license" field to let people know how their work will be copyrighted/attributed if they should submit information to a wiki. Of course, even without adding it to the template, you can always add to the text.
 
::As far as the canon/fanon issue, I think I created a [[:Category:Fanon]] a while back. Whoops, nope, it wasn't me, but someone else did. There's also a few wikis tagged with the non-existant [[:Category:Fandoms]]. Taxonomy around here is from the ground up, although I've done some sorting just to try and lump like items together. I don't think there's a [[:Category:Canon]], but there could be. Regardless, that's totally appropriate info to add to a wiki's article. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 18:59, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
 
:::It would take ages for someone to shoot around looking for all the wikis that should be added to [[:Category:Canon]]. I know that [[Wookiepedia]] and [[Memory Alpha]] (and [[Memory Beta]]) contain canon (of [[:Categeory:Star Wars]] and [[:Category:Star Trek]]), but you need someone with geek-level knowledge of the subject matter to make the judgement call.
 
:::As for [[:Category:Fandoms]] that has got to be slightly different to [[:Category:Fanon]]. There are plenty of things that fans ''might'' do that do not involve canon or fanon. Maybe [[:Category:Fandoms]] should be the parent category to [[:Category:Canon]] and [[:Category:Fanon]]. [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 07:17, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
 
== Arbitrary celebration ==
 
As of this moment, we have 4,444 articles. :-) --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 20:04, 13 May 2009 (EDT)
 
:Heh. I saw you put that up on the, er, "message of the day"(?) field. Nice! --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 20:27, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
 
== Block again ==
 
I've blocked a user for [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Talk:RationalWiki&curid=14774&diff=67602&oldid=67601&rcid=72457 this edit][[User:Huw Powell]] and various unregistered users have been setting out to cause me problems for weeks. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 14:03, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
:I have asked you to provide evidence for your accusation. Your response was to block me and lock the talk page. You are the only one to blame for your problems. [http://rationalwikiwiki.org/wiki/index.php?title=Leaving_and_never_coming_back&diff=prev&oldid=10804] [[User:38.108.111.63|38.108.111.63]] 14:49, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
:: The discussion is re-opened. But I think, this question has never to be answered. Have a nice day! :-) --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 15:38, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Barbara (PS, that's my mother's name), ''you'' are the problem.  You are a power hungry, anguished person.  I never set out to "cause [you] problems", I came here because you whined on [[rationalwiki]] and [[rationalwikiwiki]] about your own behavior being reported on. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 06:41, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
 
==Admin abuse by Proxima Centauri==
Your assistance in this matter would be appreciated [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki#Admin abuse by Proxima Centauri|here]]. Thank you [[User:38.108.111.63|38.108.111.63]] 14:49, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
:Once more, Proxima is abusing her admin rights at [[RationalWiki]].  She has locked the article, and is taking advantage of RW being down to spam pointless links to her own pet wiki, [[Liberapedia]].  She also [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=Proxima+Centauri&page= blocked a user] (Nx) for correcting her incompetence. I repeat, she is a power-mad authoritarian with very poor language and comprehension skills. (I can footnote those accusations if necessary). [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 00:59, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
 
These have been trolling and being deliberately abusive, if you aren't satisfied with the way I deal with trolls I'm close to leaving. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 02:46, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
:Do, please. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 03:09, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
::Mark, I see you have unblocked Nx and Phantom Hoover.  Good move, neither of them mean harm.  Can you also unlock the [[RationalWiki]] article?  As of now Proxima Centauri is preventing anyone else from correcting her errors (and simply cleaning it up) by (ab)using her admin rights.  If you want to chat about this behind closed doors or whatever, I think my email is enabled (or ask me on my talk page if you prefer another venue). I understand she has been very helpful here at times with the chores of blocking wandals, locking pages, and burning offensive edits, but seriously, this issue is so trivial it's not funny.  It certainly did not require her to run around smacking people left and right. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 04:01, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Update: I see edit buttons on the RW article.  So either it's been unprotected or someone made me a sysop?  [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 04:04, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:::I edited the "loss of service" section.  I hope what I wrote meets the standards and goals of this site. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 04:15, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Ah, I see, PC only protected it for a couple of days and it expired. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 04:22, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
 
== Spam ==
 
An unregistered user spammed [http://www.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/home.do this] onto your userpage, later replaced it with links to wikis so I reverted it and protected the page.  If you did it yourself without logging in you are an administrator and can still ediit the page. I've deleted the page and restored only edits by users who I know are administrators here. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 03:52, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
[[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 03:44, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
 
== My attempt at dispute resolution ==
 
Hey All, wanted to see if you were interested in dispute resolution, my suggestion is [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk%3AThis_is_not_the_solution&diff=69572&oldid=69536 here] ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
 
(I've moved the comments that were placed here, to [[User_talk:This_is_not_the_solution#Comments_relocated_from_MarkDilley.27s_talk_page|the page MarkDilley created for this purpose]]. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 06:33, 30 August 2009 (EDT) )
 
== Thanks for weighing in! ==
 
About edit conflict on [[WikiIndex:Policies_and_Guidelines]], "05:09, 4 September 2009 MarkDilley (Talk | contribs) (27,735 bytes) (maybe stomped after an edit conflict - will try to fix)"
:I guess you can see when I have a page open for edit? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 01:30, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
:: ''nope :-)'' ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
:I did get an edit conflict but I merged it. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 01:30, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
:: I got an edit conflict and tried to merge it, for my level of experience it is just looking at the diffs, would be interesting to know if I could do it easier. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
I made some adjustments and replied to you at [[WikiIndex:Policies_and_Guidelines#Notes_to_editors_of_this_page]]. Sorry if that was confusing. I put more work into things if I think something will come of them. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 01:30, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
: I appreciate that. Was trying to let things cool down, still interested in moving stuff to the talk page of affected WikiIndex articles. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
 
== Is a broad consensus allowable? ==
 
About the owners or controllers of WikiIndex: How do those in power here feel about "consensus", in the sense of inviting readers, editors, and admins to collaborate to formulate policy, etc? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 01:35, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
 
I think that consensus is an ideal situation which we should strive for.  Super majority should be considered in absence of that ideal. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
 
== Vulnerabilities of this wiki ==
 
[[User_talk:Nx|Nx claims he can do uuuh... something]]. Do you know if this is true or how to prevent it? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 06:50, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
:Replace the extension with the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WhosOnline new version]. The one you are using contains an SQL injection vulnerability. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 06:57, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
: ''Thanks, I am working on try to get the upgrade. Best, [[MarkDilley]]''
::Nx says he doesn't like me knowing when he is online. I'm not too comfortable using it on my user page anymore. You might want to consider just removing it. I don't like the idea of getting the law involved. If we can provide some (more) concessions to those who know how to fix (or exploit) stuff like this, they may help us out (more). [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 04:17, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
:::The slow decline into Centauriism continues... [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 04:32, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Got any better ideas, Snarky? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 07:47, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::I was merely commenting on the sudden disappearance of complex sentence structure and the belief that the law will be involved in everything. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 08:09, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::Oh oh umm I knew that... assuming your telling the truth this time, that is. <serious>Thanks for explaining. Unless you are lying. </serious> Can you turn off user=crazy mode now please? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:32, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Fine then. UPDATE people SET sanity="questionably sane", irritation_level=100 WHERE name="Lumenos"; [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 17:01, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Ahhh! Oh noes. Now I gosta leave Lumeneti. Must attend to the insignificant things like eating and sleeping. *Hugs PH* You're the specialest hobgoblin eva! [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 17:09, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::I suppose if someone hacked the wiki "anonymously" then the law wouldn't be involved. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:32, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::The tenacious persistence of you and your allies, sometimes makes me wonder, if the real administration tried to prevent you from being here, what you would resort to. When I say tenacious persistence, I don't mean emailing higher powers, but how you feel entitled to say [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Lumeniki&diff=70593&oldid=70592 delete the vast majority of an article], multiple times. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:32, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
 
== RationalWiki, heavy handed? ==
 
Nice work.  You deleted everything about the wiki, which will shortly be up again.  And you also locked the article.  Wiki Index is taking a nosedive as the trolls take over, in my considered - very carefully considered - opinion. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 06:02, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
:Actually Huw, not quite everything was deleted. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 07:59, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
::Yeah, only all of the text. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 08:07, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
:::[[Talk:RationalWiki|Here's "your" article]]. It seems to have some similar wiki's missing but anyone can fix that. Plus you get to see some of the real inner-workings of "reason in action". I'd say this much better reflects the "community property" that Nx said he would favor. What's the big deal? Not as pretty anymore? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:39, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
:::[[User_talk:Nx#RationalWiki_moved_to_talk_page.|I feel bad for Nx]], however. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:54, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
 
== Deletions and Protections ==
 
I have to agree with the comments from others that removing the descriptions from [[Liberapedia]], [[RationalWiki]], [[Conservapedia]], [[A Storehouse of Knowledge]] and [[RationalWikiWiki]] is unnecessary. The only one of those that has been edited much recently is RationalWiki's page, and the real argument about that one was finished days ago. Of the other four, the only edits in the last week have been from me updating the page statistics on two, and [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] fixing a grammatical error on another.
 
In other words, the descriptions for all these pages are ''already'' agreed, so there's no point in moving everything to the talk page. Please can you unprotect those five pages and move the descriptions back to their correct place. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] 07:24, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
:Hi I've not been much involved in the debates about those wikis and I cannot see any explanation for cutting their articles to their talk pages.  Do you think you could add a note to each one explaining why their contents were moved to talk? Cheers.--[[User:Bob M|Bob M]] 15:54, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
:::(Mark's response copied from my (Bob M's) talk page) Hello - here is a bit of an explanation about [http://www.wikiindex.org/User_talk:This_is_not_the_solution#Thanks_to_everyone_for_the_cooling_off_-_here_is_my_idea_on_how_to_move_through_this. current decisions]. Best, [[MarkDilley]]
::::Hi Mark.  Thanks for coming back.  The link goes to a rather involved and heated discussion and is a bit hard to follow. My point is that it would seem to be a good idea to explain on the talk page of each of the wikis involved what exactly the problem is, and what action needs to be taken to get the description back. At the moment, any innocent party landing on any of those pages will be left wondering what is going on.--[[User:Bob M|Bob M]] 08:36, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::I moved the horribly confused "debate maps" to a subpage. I apologize for that, and not moving them sooner. Everything that is left of the sections I created, seems to be organized and relevant (although I'm sure others won't see it that way but they '''can''' edit the page, just like it is an article). [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 08:56, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::Actually, I don't want to get into a debate about that side of it. My point is that nobody reading the articles themselves or their talk pages will understand what is going on or how to resolve it.--[[User:Bob M|Bob M]] 10:19, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Is there something preventing you from fixing that? Too late. I added links to this section on the five listed wikis. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 13:21, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
 
(outdent) "Move to article page when agreed upon by 3 Sysops and 3 people involved in the conflict and clear up confusing line, hopefully" - There's no conflict! And there aren't three active sysops either, but that's another matter. Can you just move the descriptions back please? [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] 04:21, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
:In addition, the only controversial bit in ''any'' of the articles, the bit on RW's downtime, is now outdated. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 10:34, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
::Umm how are you judging that? I didn't feel like edit waring over the issue of allowing more criticism, but now it looks like we are headed for [[WikiIndex:Policies_and_Guidelines#How_sympathetic_or_critical.3F_.28Who_decides.3F.29|entire pages devoted to criticism]]. I could be wrong. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:55, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Having fun?  You're the only one who seems to think there is a controversy... Oh, and just because the spellchecker doesn't flag "waring" doesn't mean it's the right word. Just in case you are using it in policy development pages. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 02:33, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
::::I think that many of those who post criticisms in talk pages, would prefer pages for criticism. You know like all those that Nx tucked away into [[Talk:RationalWiki#.22Archive1.22|"archive1"]]. There are plenty left outside the "archive". If these people don't feel they are being heard, then they leave. The way it should be, right? Do you think this is true or false, Human? Or will this be another one of my questions that you simply dismiss as "incomprehensible" (to you)? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 04:49, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
 
== Mark Dilley wins another victory in the fight against unnecessary complexity ==
 
I guess I was expecting dozens of people to each insert their pet peeve into the
[[WikiIndex talk:Blocking Policy#draft blocking policy proposal]],
making it balloon up into a huge monster of complexity.
 
I am pleasantly surprised that you made it shorter.
Also, it makes me happy that you deleted my negative language about "warning" and replaced it with a more positive alternative.
--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 01:44, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
 
== The lunatics have taken over the asylum. ==
 
''As pretend assistant to the sheriff's deputy, I do hereby tag this here section for <del>banishment</del> [duplication] to the <del>less popular</del> talk page of a certain <del>uuuh "Fandom Poover", have I got that right? Something like that</del> [rpeh (because rpeh undeleted this section after Lumenos deleted it)]. This is in keeping with [[WikiIndex:Policies_and_Guidelines#Enforcement_against_editors|Section 1 - C of "WikiIndex Policies and Guidelines" under section "Enforcement against editors"]]. As always, your input on matters of policy would be much appreciated and any objections or modification to this here constructive information tag, would be as well. If you modify or endorse this informative tag, please place your user name after this message and strike out any names appearing there at the time of your edit. Thank you for reading this informative tag and considering ways we may [[SoftSecurity|work together to resolve sensitive issues such as these]].'' ([[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]]) (Updated [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 08:07, 11 September 2009 (EDT))[Updated [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 04:39, 12 September 2009 (EDT)]
:The policies you have made up are not site policy; they are written solely by you, and have no consensus. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 13:19, 10 September 2009 (EDT)
::What policy have I made up? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 17:57, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
::It is more a matter of whether the administration or other editors mind (or prefer) that I relocate a section that appears to have no useful information in it. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 17:57, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Is there a policy against doing so? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 17:57, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
 
That is all I have to say. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 10:12, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
:If you could [[WikiIndex:Policies_and_Guidelines|write the rules]], what would they say? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:48, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
::Sysops should have to pass basic tests of mental age, and protection should only be used in the most dire of vandal attacks. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 13:15, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
:::<rolls eyes> Another genius suggestion. I sure am glad rpeh undeleted your comment here so we can explore this further. Could you describe this test in more detail? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 13:25, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
::::There will be standard tests available; Trent might know. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 13:32, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::You are serious? So do you think we should employ those tests here? Will they share them? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 14:02, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::I would recommend a little java appellate with a virtual square peg and two virtual wholes: one round, one square. Admins can't log on with out placing the peg in the appropriate whole. [[User:Tmtoulouse|Tmtoulouse]] 14:05, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Epic win. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 14:15, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Doh! This is nothing but HOBGOBLINTRIES! (That having been said.) Honor to speak with you, Sir. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 14:11, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::...if that's [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tmtoulouse your REAL name]. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 15:56, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
 
== "Archive" most of this page to subpage ==
 
Mark if you don't object I plan to move everything on this page, posted '''before "143 Conservaèdia"''', to a subpage. It supposedly helps with compatibility and I think it makes it easier to read. I don't know how to make neat archive icons, I would just put a link at the top of the page. I'll wait four days for you to object. (This is to save you time in responding.) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 19:43, 8 September 2009 (EDT) [Updated comment in bold.]
 
Please let me know if you don't appreciate me doing things like this. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:29, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
:Lumenos has a good idea for once.  Archive the first sixty or so sections to a User talk:MarkDilley/Archive1 page please? [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 04:37, 4 October 2009 (EDT)
 
== RationalWikiWiki ==
 
Hi Mark.  do you think you could comment on this talk page: [[Talk:RationalWikiWiki]].  thanks.--[[User:Bob M|Bob M]] 03:49, 10 September 2009 (EDT)
 
Bob - will get to it tomorrow night or this weekend. Best, [[MarkDilley]]
 
Could you also address this "article": "Huw Powell"? I am not a wiki, I am a free man! [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 19:58, 10 September 2009 (EDT)
: ''It is the convention of this wiki to put people with real names into the main namespace - and pseudonym accounts to stay in the user namespace. I have deleted the page as you requested. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
::I did not realize that convention existed hereIt seems odd to me to have editors of the wiki come up on "random page", but then again, I don't know what thought went into the convention.  Anyway, thank you for doing what I asked.  I am editing my comment above to remove the "red link".  Do you think it would make sense for me to get renamed as a pseudonym I often use on wikis, "human", so as to fit your convention? [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 16:52, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
 
==Articles for users with with real names==
 
This is inspired by comments by Huw Powell in the RationalWikiWiki section above:
 
I don't think that it is such a bad idea to index real-world people who run wikis. However, a lot of user pages do seem to be written in a very random fashion and I wonder how much usefulness someone will get from visiting a page that is not an encyclopedic entry about the person.
 
If WikiIndex wishes to continue with this (possibly very useful) convention, perhaps there should be some sort of templates that can add value to articles about users. For example, it might be nice to have a template that gives a list of wikis that the user administers and/or writes on. Or it might be useful for users to list the (WikiIndex) categories they are most interested in. There are already some infoboxes that allow people to tell others about the languages they speak, but these are not universally used.
 
I think that if you improved the 'people' articles it could also be worth going to the wiki articles and then adding a list of active WikiIndex users. That way, if anyone had a problem with an article about a wiki, they could quickly go and find expert help. [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 12:27, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
:What David says makes sense to me. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 04:38, 4 October 2009 (EDT)
 
== 7 ==
 
Yes, you are right[http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Universal_Edit_Button&diff=next&oldid=69656] :-) - it was a typo. Greetings, [[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 03:16, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
 
== Philsworld ==
 
The creator of the article [[Philsworld]] recently blanked it as the wiki is no longer active. I have changed it back, but substituted the {{tl|Inactive}} template for the {{tl|Wiki}} template. I presume that this is generally how we would prefer to indicate wikis which have reached the end of their lifespan. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:10, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
 
== Please help develop explicit rules ==
 
Following the recent incidents surrounding the RationalWiki article, I have come to the conclusion that we need a set of really explicit policies and guidelines. I don't like this, but it's necessary. I have started work on [[Wikiindex:Policies_and_Guidelines]] and I would appreciate your input.
 
What I ''don't'' (yet) have is method. Not sure what should go on the talk page and what shouldn't. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 04:08, 4 October 2009 (EDT)
:Proposed "policy" should go in sections on the page.  Discussion, with the same section names, should be on the talk page.  What gets accepted/agreed on at the talk page, becomes the eventual main page.  I invite you to [[RationalWiki]] where we wrote, and then rewrote, our site policies in such a fashion.  Come to my talk page (user:human) if you want me to show you around.  I'm not telling you what to do, just offering an example that worked for us. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 04:42, 4 October 2009 (EDT)
 
== Spam blacklist fail ==
 
Hi Mark. For some reason, [[My spam blacklist]] doesn't seem to be working. The last time I tested it several days ago, it worked fine. Today it doesn't seem to work. I'm trying to use it to prevent the fraudulent essay spammers from adding links to their sites. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:40, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
 
:Never mind. I missed that the offending words had to be a part of a link, not just any regular expression. It's working fine. I just was too lazy in my typing. :-P --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 21:18, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
 
== Welcome thanks! ==
 
Thank you Mark :)  [[User:Sj|Sj]] 19:34, 14 October 2009 (EDT)
 
== New status? ==
 
Question about New status at [[Category talk:New]]. --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 19:48, 24 October 2009 (EDT)
 
== Doppelgänger-Account ==
 
Someone created a new account <code>[[User:MarkDiIley]]</code> which could mixed-up with your user account.
I blocked him. :-) --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 11:11, 8 November 2009 (EST)
: The next one: <code>[[User:MarkDiIIey]]</code> - one combination left ;-) Greetings, [[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 03:33, 10 November 2009 (EST)
:: The last one of ''this'' kind: <code>[[User:MarkDilIey]]</code>. --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 07:14, 14 November 2009 (EST)
::: Oh, look! I have one, too! :P <code>[[User:MarveIZuvembie]]</code>. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 13:46, 7 December 2009 (EST)
 
== Broken Interwikis? ==
 
Hi Mark,


I've been gone a while, but in visiting today I noticed that the foreign language interwiki links in the "includeonly" section of {{tl|Wikipedia}} are appearing as red links within the article (see [[English Wikipedia]], for example) instead of as interwiki links in the lefthand column. Perhaps a change to MediaWiki's configuration has caused this? Just thought you should know.
Hello Sean!  Thank you so very much for figuring out that weirdness!  I will look around and see if I can let him know we figured out the problem  (using royal-we :-)  - yes the midterm elections are upon us and lots of people have been working very hard for something positive.  Breath held for three more days now!  Much appreciation Sean.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]


--[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 15:25, 1 March 2010 (EST)
So great you figured it out Sean!  I've e-mailed Jordan and hope he shows up :-) [[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small>


== Sysop ==
== Pages for deletion ==
Hello, can you please check [[:Category:Pages for deletion]]? The category includes my user page and talk page, which I would like to remove because they contain personal information. --[[User:Usa11|Usa11]] ([[User talk:Usa11|talk]]) 12:35, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


Hi! I request sysop status here. Thank you! [[User:Erwin|Erwin]] 08:55, 29 March 2010 (EDT)
:Thanks! --[[User:Usa11|Usa11]] ([[User talk:Usa11|talk]]) 18:58, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


But why? Of...[[User:Erwin|Erwin]] 11:49, 30 March 2010 (EDT)
== Nathan Larson ==
Regarding [[Special:Diff/213417|this]], that is in fact the same Nathan Larson. &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times, times">[[User:MJL|<span style="color:black">MJL</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:MJL|‐'''Talk'''‐]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/MJL|]]</sup></span> 06:39, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


== Troll account ==
Hello, I did that because this is a troll account. I was already globally locked on Wikimedia and multiple wiki farms (Fandom, Miraheze and ShoutWiki).  Also, I am a sockpuppet of [[User:Usa11]], so please block both of us. Sorry. --[[User:Terilir|Terilir]] ([[User talk:Terilir|talk]]) 07:52, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


[http://fortwiki.com/User_talk:John_Stanton#Hi.21 See the confirmation] from founder of site, give me now sysop status...--[[User:Erwin|Erwin]] 15:54, 1 April 2010 (EDT)
:I confirm that I am a troll account and a sockpuppet of [[User:Terilir|Terilir]]. Please block me and delete the user pages of both my accounts. --[[User:Usa11|Usa11]] ([[User talk:Usa11|talk]]) 08:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
:Hi Erwin. For completing your sysop's button collection, take a tour around [[:Category:All|our wiki collection]]. And I'm sure, [[:Category:NeedsLove|some of them will highly appreciate hour help]]. I guess for this wiki the answer is just '''no'''. (Maybe my English is too bad: I cannot discover any ''confirmation'' in John's answer.) Best regards --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 16:20, 1 April 2010 (EDT)

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Mark Dilley wins another victory in the fight against unnecessary complexity[edit]

I guess I was expecting dozens of people to each insert their pet peeve into the WikiIndex talk:Blocking and banning policy#draft blocking policy proposal, making it balloon up into a huge monster of complexity.

I am pleasantly surprised that you made it shorter. Also, it makes me happy that you deleted my negative language about "warning" and replaced it with a more positive alternative. --DavidCary 01:44, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

The value of discussion[edit]

Discussion is also work, unless not completed and hanging in the air for years. Even then it is work, only without result. Naturally it is easier to do little edits here and there and consider that as work with results rather than coming to a conclusion in a debate since the later requires more staying power.

I do not mind if anybody improves my statements on a talk page like better link format. But whatever I write there should not be changed in the wording and left with my signature. That would be forgery, that is not me any more. My statements are not articles to be edited. Manorainjan (talk) 20:27, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

When I count amongst my last 100 edits only 20% is discussion, the rest, 80% is "work" ;-) How is Your work-count? Manorainjan (talk) 21:08, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

I really am not getting into an argument about discussion and work.  :-) ~~ MarkDilley
You are not getting into it, You where the one who started it in the first place. Manorainjan (talk) 21:11, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Manorainjan, maybe it's a second language thing, but the tone of your words seems hostile. Might I suggest you take a rest from this subject? --MarvelZuvembie (talk) 21:16, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
I do not think it's about tone. But if You think, You can explain it. Manorainjan (talk) 21:26, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
I apologize, I didn't mean to say that discussion was not work, when in fact it is sometimes the hardest work. ~~ MarkDilley
Sometimes? ;-) For every work there is a competence to aquire that makes it easier if not possible at all. NVC and sorry for late reply, I was busy with "work" ;-) Manorainjan (talk) 23:21, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

How community works[edit]

"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." is one of seven quotes inscribed on the walls at the gravesite of John F. Kennedy at Arlington National Cemetery.

In that spirit it does not bring forward community feeling by howling that one is not part of it but by active participation and invitation for others to participate. Now, on the one hand You are acting 'nice' by welcoming new users and telling them to BeBold. But on several occasions where I acted semi-bold and discussed a change with a 'senior' user You where howling 'I am not involved in the conversation'. So, what I did was to shift this topic in front and invited the community to discuss it there. Now the question arises why didn't You do that in the first place, being more senior and obviously feeling the need for participation showing me HowTo CommunityCate? Now, I went further and informed other Users who obviously did not take note of this discussion. Rather than supporting the unfinished discussion You started to discourage my efforts by belittling the value of discussion calling then 'endless' which is an euphemism for useless and without result and contradicting discussion with 'work' as a symbol for productivity. Also You potentially started a separation of 'me' and what I do (endless discussion) and what You call 'we' and what actually You personally allegedly are doing. this is neither 'wok' AKA little edits here and there nor promoting community AKA discussion for finding solutions with which everybody can live nicely.

What You got to do now is, to find Your inner motivation what drove You to disturb constructive discussions and then redirect this motivation into a more productive strategy that supports the progress of a community. Manorainjan (talk) 13:34, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Ohai Mark[edit]

Sincerely, Johnny. Sweetie Belle (talk) 23:53, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Should we have alternative infoboxes besides Template:Wiki?[edit]

Discussion here. --MarvelZuvembie (talk) 19:36, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Improving the community[edit]

Discussion with results AKA work ;-) Any suggestions? Manorainjan (talk)

WikiIndex talk:Community talk#Request account - real name[edit]

Do You know the answer?Manorainjan (talk)

Regarding Your 'envisioning' the Community portal to be of any use for community or discussion, how shall this question WikiIndex talk:Opt out be treated, how would the community be 'notified' about it? Manorainjan (talk) 14:35, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

eMail[edit]

What happened to the fixing of email functionality for this Wiki?Manorainjan (talk) 12:51, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Upgrading to a clean install of the latest stable version was hoped to have resolved that issue. It hasn't. That is the place where we are at now. ~~ MarkDilley

You told me, that some user account do not have this problems. From there I concluded, that it is not a software problem. the Problem sits in the net. It got to do with mail servers and blacklists.Manorainjan (talk)

PS: When this update was done?

Last year was the latest upgrade. ~~ MarkDilley

 Done see WikiIndex:Community_portal Manorainjan (talk) 23:02, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Too late[edit]

https://WikiIndex.org/User_talk:W812949 Manorainjan (talk)

Wikipediaphobie?[edit]

Wikipedia has no page about us: List of wikis

And then the ivory tower inhabitants wonder why this Wiki does not grow a stronger user base within the said 8+ years... Who is the PR secretary of this one-horse town? Manorainjan (talk) 22:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

User:Robin Patterson[edit]

Do You know what role Robin Patterson played in the founding phase of WikiIndex? Manorainjan (talk) 23:27, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Robin helped with SwitchWiki and jumped over to WikiIndex for a bit. ~~ MarkDilley

Sounds like a founding member to me, if he was already engaged on the preceding project. Manorainjan (talk)

Great discussion :-)[edit]

... You said 2007 ...

Was there any result? Manorainjan (talk) 07:37, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Project Namespace[edit]

Can You give a definition of 'Project:' namespace?

They are typically the name of the wiki, also called meta pages. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 22:53, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

fb[edit]

Do You ever read your facebook mails? M.

[edit]

File:WikiIndexLogo2014.png

I have no idea what could be offending in a sunflower.Manorainjan (talk) 10:54, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Really? As Sean suggests, a sunflower with the brackets around it is copyrighted. Makes sense to me. ~~ MarkDilley
and looks like it is in the public domain, thanks YiFei.

blocked from doing work[edit]

I think the biggest thing for you to do Manorainjan, is to slow down here. Best, MarkDilley

What would be the advantage of being slow? the one who does mistakes should be more careful. Maybe he should 'slow' down, take a vacation. I'm fine. My mind is concentrated. I'm in good mood. What is wrong with that? M.
I think they basically mean, spend more time in the D part of the BRD cycle, and work to get consensus on your side. Leucosticte (talk) 20:14, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm the last one to avoid any discussion ;-) But Sean has blocked every possible aspect of my account regarding communication, even internal mail which is needed for this part: User is blocked Jump to: navigation, search Your username or IP address has been blocked. The block was made by Hoof Hearted. The reason given is no reason given. Start of block: 14:17, 19 September 2014 Expiry of block: 14:17, 26 September 2014 Intended blockee: Manorainjan You can contact Hoof Hearted or another administrator to discuss the block. You cannot use the 'email this user' feature unless a valid email address is specified in your account preferences and you have not been blocked from using it. Your current IP address is 178.11.160.142, and the block ID is #19490. Please include all above details in any queries you make. M.

The reason Sean gave was copyright violations, repeated disruption to WikiIndex, refusing to following community-agreed standards in the first block. ~~ MarkDilley

None of those accusations have substance. He totally failed to supply any proof of his biased claims. He did not even try. Manorainjan (talk)
The log summary helps make people realize there was more misbehavior after the unblock; otherwise, the reblock makes it look like there was a wheel war. Special:Logs/block. Leucosticte (talk) 22:20, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

There was and is no wheel war.

  1. Sean blocked my account
  2. Mark expressed that he did not agree with that.
  3. Sean ignored that
  4. YiFei, being more practical than talkative unblocked my account, expressing his opinion by this.
  5. Sean disrespected both and blocked my account again.
  6. Mark repeated his difference in opinion
  7. Sean kept his stubborn attitude and silence.

That's it. Now the thing hangs in the middle kind of. Sean puts his nose deep in 'work' trying his very, very best to ignore my IP edits or anybody's comments on this 'case' and passes his chances to 'range block' the IPs I'm using. And none of the sysops like to stir anybody up further. So, Your expectation of a wheel war will go unfulfilled. I'm not sorry about this.Manorainjan (talk)

How was that not a wheel war? Are you saying that the battle was only hypothetical and not real? Leucosticte (talk) 23:41, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

You seam to have serious difficulties to understand the motivations of people. First of all there was no intention of waging a war from any side, especially not amongst the sysops. Everybody expressed their opinion in their specific way, once. Only mark did the same thing twice. But he did no reverts, blocks or unblocks at all. So, nothing to see here, keep moving! Manorainjan (talk)

If there were a fight, who do you think would win? What odds would you place on the various combatants? Also, are you willing to provoke enough fights (n >= 30) that we will have a statistically significant sample with which to judge the accuracy of your predictions? Also, how much money can we bring into the WikiIndex coffers by taking the wiki private and charging the public for admission to see the fight? Leucosticte (talk) 00:04, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

If there would be a fight, nobody would win, everybody would lose and everybody except You knows that. And You don't have the power to start a war Birdy. Manorainjan (talk)

That's only true if the last man standing is mortally wounded before he finishes everyone else off. Leucosticte (talk) 00:10, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey Birdy, if You can't sleep, do something useful: Table of results M.

User:Manorainjan[edit]

Mark, there are numerous reasons why the above user should be blocked, some of them extremely serious, and I must insist that the block should stand. I will detail my reasons on Monday, when I have more time and less interuptions. I would appreciate that you support your fellow sysops, rather than constantly over-rulling them. Respectfully yours, Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 21:00, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Special:RequestAccount[edit]

We got to change this page in order to supply necessary information right there.

  • I would also like to include in WikiIndex:Real names that using a RN is appreciated but optional.
  • What about that field in request form? Is it optional or compulsory?
  • The form does not explicitly tell which field needs to be filled!! There is lack of clarity. That does not support the generation of trust. I cannot continue to write help text if I do not know the conditions of account creation.
  • I also suggest to trim this page quite a lot. For example "Other information" should be omitted.
  • This page is the very entry point for wiki community. This and the following procedures are absolutely vital for it's growth.
  • I also may be lacking some technical terms here. Request, creation, validation, 'approval'?
  • The page treats email verification and account approval as the same thing with the same word.
  • The main page navigation speaks of Request and the Help page of create account. There should not be a difference.

Manorainjan (talk) 21:35, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Assume good faith[edit]

Check my recent rant about Your favourite dogma ;-) And how I got there. (He/she/it/them was online today) Manorainjan (talk) 23:10, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Grey4Column[edit]

WikiIndex:Community portal/News[edit]

I thought this is newest news on top? --Manorainjan (talk) 16:24, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

WikiIndex:Teamwork information[edit]

This is a proposal for a new wiki community related feature.

I hope You like the idea and find a way to integrate this table on Your User Page.

Online Accessibility E-mail Commitment Exeptions UTC Skills Duty Rank Propensities
yes no time until 4-11-2014 - bureaucrat

It's first try. I'm happy if You help to improve it. Details filled in lines other than mine are of course only for demonstration. I'm curious to see how You might fill it. --Manorainjan (talk) 00:27, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

No comments on this from You? Manorainjan (talk)

I am extremely busy for this month with the political season in the states. The comments I have are not easily shortened. Will have to get to it later. Best, MarkDilley

I see. It is on occasion of Your remark that You are swamped till 4.11.14 that I started developing this idea. Manorainjan (talk)

You do have some time! I have seen it. Do You prefer to waste it in micromanagement? Manorainjan (talk) 10:50, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Is the political season now over? Manorainjan (talk) 21:41, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

It is nearly half a year now, since I asked. How much time do You intend to devote to the community You are "envisioning" to be the leader of? Manorainjan (talk) 07:00, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

No time at all? Manorainjan 07:20, 12 August 2015 (PDT)

meatball[edit]

What happened to MeatballWiki? It is said to be locked. But there is no reason either here or on the wiki itself. Manorainjan (talk) 00:49, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Real Names[edit]

You will be interested in that WikiIndex talk:Real names#How real is the support for real names on this_Wiki.3F and we will be curious to get further input from You, Mr. Leader ;-) Manorainjan (talk) 19:11, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

What serves the community?[edit]

Do You think, it serves the community if You let people invent structures for apparently no reason and not teach them how to interact with community, how to introduce new intended concepts and how to get feedback from the peers? How will this serve qualitative or quantitative growth of community? This is not a rhetoric question. I expect an explanation of "What in the world where You thinking?" Manorainjan (talk) 10:49, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

It took You two years to have no answer at all. --Manorainjan 10:09, 16 June 2016 (PDT)

Request for ServerMove concerns[edit]

Hi MarkDilley. Since you are one of the most active contributors here I wanted to be sure to draw your attention to the upcoming ServerMove and solicit your help in making the transition a positive rather than negative experience. Please take a moment to visit ServerMove and curate the list of concerns. Thanks! -- BrandonCsSanders (talk) 22:39, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Create.Wiki‎[edit]

You knew it is a farm. Why didn't You use the farm-template? Manorainjan (talk) 11:49, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

It's not that easy. Try this: Template:Wiki farmManorainjan (talk) 15:35, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Mark, I patiently waited for You to moan. So no is the time: You are the "elder". It is You who should teach me how to set up a wiki farm entry, not the other way around. http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/000000/00000/1000/900/1915/1915.strip.gif

  • And it is not me who should need to counter-check Your edits.
  • The leader of a wiki is to set a good example. Moaning and leading exclude each other. Manorainjan (talk) 17:46, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Manorainjan, as the 'elder' here I gave clear direction on how the interaction on the wiki would be better for you. I said, instead of coming to my page and telling me I did something wrong, just fix it. That is how I teach you how to interact on this wiki. ~~ MarkDilley

Leadership and learning are indispensable to each other.
John F. Kennedy

Vacations are for the tiered ones. I'm not tiered. And You will not pay my vacations anyway. So, do not ask me, do not interfere in my schedule.

But if You got tiered, I prepared something nice for You, something I "envisioned" some time ago:

Lead follow or get out of the way.jpg

Or do some real work! WikiIndex talk:Leader Manorainjan (talk) 23:54, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Please comment[edit]

WikiIndex talk:Community portal#We need to have a community discussion about Nathania.2FNathan Larson.2FUser:Leucosticte. Honestly, this has really been weighing on me and I am extremely uncomfortable with this content. I know we've spoken about it before but I finally took some rogue admin action about it and deleted some of the links to content about CP. I can't handle it. We shouldn't be linking to that material here or allowing someone to overrun this site with niche vanity wikis. Koavf (talk) 06:08, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Mark, I agree that your input on this would be useful. Some clarity is needed on whether this project is open to listing every wiki, or whether there's going to be some restriction on scope. No clear standard has been set as to what content isn't allowed, other than obvious linkspam to non-wiki websites, and I think that previously the door has been wide open to covering the whole wikisphere, and that that is how the situation should remain. The vast majority of WikiIndex deals with niche wikis, and that includes a handful of vanity wikis, aka blikis. Leucosticte (talk) 18:02, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

What is a community response to this? Free speech or not having CP here... and not a rogue admin action, no, simply editing. ~~ MarkDilley

I don't understand what you're saying. Can you rephrase that? Thanks. Leucosticte (talk) 19:16, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Test category[edit]

Category:FirstAdditional Is this serving a function now? Do you want to delete it? Koavf (talk) 04:31, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

It is part of the template/Boilerplate. Manorainjan (talk) 11:23, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

The template? There are lots of templates. Which one? What function is this serving? Koavf (talk) 20:05, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

That Template Manorainjan (talk) 20:39, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

BackupData not available for the community[edit]

Hi Mark,

at WikiIndex:Consensus You wrote that ray "provides" the Backup data. How and where does he do this? Where can members of this "community" get hands on it?Manorainjan (talk) 11:48, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

From Your one month of silence I conclude, that the backup is not available for the community. Also I conclude, that You Yourself are not available for Work on this wiki. Manorainjan (talk) 12:08, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Usually it's necessary to redact sensitive data anyway, or export it as XML files or something. You can create your own backup by setting up a script to export everything. I've done it before. It is kind of a PITA, though. There was also mw:User:Leucosticte/Doing the Newgon stuff, instructions for exporting stuff from NewgonWiki. Leucosticte (talk) 10:09, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Your silly comment about WikiWikiWeb[edit]

You wrote "Your efforts have closed the original WikiWikiWeb (they have moved it to the new Smallest Federated Wiki) and I request you stop editing the page going forward. MarkDilley"

  1. My efforts can not close WikiWikiWeb. Ward is the only one who can close it.
  2. They have not moved it.
  3. And one can not move it to Smallest Federated Wiki because that is an engine and not a wiki.
  4. there is no reason whatsoever why I should not edit a page which contains mistakes.

You have never been so wrong before. Manorainjan (talk) 21:25, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Weigh in on WikiIndex:Proposal: domain name change#Poll?[edit]

I wanted to be sure to draw your attention to a potential decision to change the domain of this wiki. I hope you'll weigh in with your opinion. Thanks! BrandonCsSanders (talk) 20:09, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

WikiIndex:Community portal/News[edit]

Hey Mark, what was that?

Was the news in this that You woke up and finally noticed something?

I moved Your "news" to the proper place: WikiIndex talk:ServerMove#Google AdSense

DeWikiIndex[edit]

Koaf said, You know something about: WikiIndex talk:ServerMove#ServerMove is Finished Manorainjan (talk) 10:30, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Spam[edit]

Please explain It seems like we have IP editing but we also have a procedure for requesting an account: that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Can you explain this? Koavf (talk) 13:08, 21 May 2015 (PDT)

We always hat both, IP-editing and accounts. This is not new and just like on Wikipedia. What is there to explain? We prefer accounts, but don't force it. We prefer real names but don't force it. We perfer pictures in the profiles but don't force it. Manorainjan 13:36, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
Account requests Stop changing the titles of my posts. It doesn't make sense to have an account request process when you can edit without an account anyway. Koavf (talk) 13:48, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
There is quite a difference between something that You don't grasp and something that does not make sense. If You say it does not make sense than it means it is objectively wrong. But if You say it does not make sense to You, it means You simply don't get it. And that is here the case. The situation as is, the possibility of IP editing & accounts at the same time, that makes a lot of sense. Normally I do not use argument by authority or so, but in this case it makes sense: IP editing & accounts is the situation on the whole of Wikipedia. Now You say, You know better than all of them ;-) Say they got no success. Manorainjan 13:55, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
Stop please Don't change the titles of my posts anymore. Even if you don't like them. In English, you don't capitalize every noun as in German. The only pronoun which is capitalized is "I" or any one that starts a sentence. I have no clue what your response is saying: it's not intelligible to me. You will have to rephrase it if you want me to understand or you can just let Mark respond on his own talk page to a question directed at him in the first place. Thanks anyway. Koavf (talk) 14:03, 21 May 2015 (PDT)

Koavf, it seems odd to me as well. Why do we require approval for an account in order to edit if anonymous can just edit anyway? Why not just allow anyone to create an account and edit if we are going to let ips edit? One of the major forms of spam on mediawiki installations follows the pattern 1. create account, 2. upload picture, 3. edit page with picture and lots of spam, 4. go away forever. The ConfirmAccount extension puts a large dent into that particular spam strategy. A second majore form of spam comes from anonymous editing from ips. We require ip edits to pass a simple captcha to cut down on spam from them. Accounts don't have to fill in the captcha. Does that explanation make sense? BrandonCsSanders (talk) 22:21, 21 May 2015 (PDT)

In order to save this edit I had to answer the question: "What is the name of this wiki?" -- Brandon as 76.27.247.138 22:22, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
Spam filtering Nice. So the spam that we have recently received was from a human that copy and pasted it onto the wiki rather than a bot just drive-by spamming? Koavf (talk) 22:50, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
Probably automated by a human who answered the captcha once for their script. The captcha is really really simple and never changes. -- BrandonCsSanders (talk) 23:05, 21 May 2015 (PDT)

So, as it was to be expected, Mark did not make any useful input to this question. I wonder why You Koavf started this question at this deserted space wich has a long history of unanswered questions? Why not at Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki?

You can stop now It's only been a few hours--get over it. I posted here because Mark knows something about the backend of how the site works. If I just wanted to get an admin's attention, I could have done it myself as I am an admin here. You can stop posting here now unless you have something useful to say. Koavf (talk) 06:07, 22 May 2015 (PDT)

┌─────────────────────────────────┘
See WikiIndex:Community portal/News#01 February 2014 for the related discussion. In short, many spamming technologies change over time. Once upon a time spam was crazy, but my filter was powerful enough to filter most of them out. Then spammers decided to stop. They spammed with usernames instead, which again got filtered. Then spammers decided to simply flood accounts with random names. This, however, could not be prevented. That made some admins stressed, so Confirm Account was installed.

However, things change. Spammers no longer try for accounts. They simply started spamming without account instead. I would develop some filters against this, but I see no easy algorithm to identify such edits. --YiFei | talk 05:50, 24 May 2015 (PDT)

Relevant part of Discussion copied here: WikiIndex talk:Spam control policy#2015 discussion

Sysop rights[edit]

Hello, I am an active person here. Can I ask for sysop rights? --Gabriele (talk) 07:48, 24 May 2015 (PDT)

Hi Gabriele, just checking, are you requesting deletion of your account page? If so, I am confused by this request. Let me know. Best, MarkDilley

I have removed my page because it contained personal information. I have created it again. --Gabriele (talk) 00:48, 1 June 2015 (PDT)

Why not public?[edit]

Hey Mark, if You don't want to take responsibility WikiIndex_talk:Community_portal#Adminship.2C_how_to_promote then why do You discuss such matters concerning us all so privately instead of on the community portal or at least on the admin board? Is this Your 'vision' of community building? Manorainjan 09:23, 8 June 2015 (PDT)

When You like something, facts become irrelevant?[edit]

WhatIsWiki You should know better. --Manorainjan 08:37, 5 August 2015 (PDT)

Do You want to do something useful?[edit]

Category:Pages for deletion --Manorainjan 09:58, 6 August 2015 (PDT)

User talk:Technische-Analyse.EU[edit]

Hey Mr. Comunity-building, this user which You created seems to be unresponsive to whatever one writes to him. And he loves to delete historical data. --Manorainjan 02:02, 8 January 2016 (PST)

Since You did not understand that quotation and asked for an explanation: You may know it in its imprecise form: "Those who do not remember their history are doomed to repeat it." It is about our mission statement, co-created by You, that we do record wiki history as well. Why are we doing so? I don't know why You would like to, but in the light of said quotation we do record wiki history in order to help wiki people, those people who not only consume wiki but create and drive wiki, not be doomed to repeat the(ir) mistakes of the past. Therefore, wiki history is content for wiki people. And please do not edit my talk page contributions on other talk pages than Yours! That user has sufficiently censored our contributions on his talk page already! Manorainjan 01:18, 11 January 2016 (PST)

Movement[edit]

What means: "Cross MediaWiki direction to remove people from the User namespace)"? I thought the user namespace is for users?Manorainjan 03:21, 2 February 2016 (PST)

Profiles Since we also have pages that discuss individuals, your userpage is in the main namespace and your usertalk is in the user talk. Koavf (talk) 06:46, 2 February 2016 (PST)
At the time we decided what Koavf mentioned above, we decided to keep pseudonyms in the user namespace as to encourage real names. Best, MarkDilley
AFAIK "pages that discuss individuals" individuals here means WikiIndex:Peoples pages or Category:Wiki people. Manorainjan 08:24, 2 February 2016 (PST)
At what time? Manorainjan 08:22, 2 February 2016 (PST)
Found it here: WikiIndex:Namespace conventions. ~~ MarkDilley
I see. So, new users with real names immediately go to main space without them even requesting it? How Do You konw they are using real names? I think it should be made policy to A: ask new users if they names are real and B ask them if they are willing to appear in main namespace. Users obviously using pseudos should be asked if the like to change to real name or if they like to get additional real name page in name space as well. Manorainjan 16:07, 2 February 2016 (PST)

Hans Christian Isak Mørch Holm[edit]

What are You smoking? Manorainjan 11:57, 30 May 2016 (PDT)

Please finish the work You have started[edit]

Or do You want to show is, that it is below You to create complete wiki entries? Manorainjan 10:22, 16 June 2016 (PDT)

Revision history of "BME Encyclopedia" shows, You where not only the one who created the doublet of this wiki page, also You choose the wrong entry as base for the merger. The older entries history should be in the merged article. Manorainjan 10:54, 18 August 2016 (PDT)

Manorainjan, You are so very tedious. Time for wiki vacation again. ~~ MarkDilley

The one who is tired calls others tedious as a result of his psychological projection. That is the one who needs a vacation. I'm not tired, I'm fine. I'm autonomously controlling the dispatching of my energy. Therefore I never need a vacation. Manorainjan 02:01, 19 August 2016 (PDT)

Exactly. ~~ MarkDilley

this Category:Hobby is another clean up of work which You caused and did not finish. Manorainjan 03:25, 27 August 2016 (PDT)

Cleaning of TOS[edit]

What You can expect if You provide email during registration, has to be part of the registration page! --Manorainjan 11:12, 23 October 2016 (PDT)

What for are talk pages?[edit]

https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=User:Databoy&diff=next&oldid=193957 What where You thinking? If anyone would like to talk to Databoy, You directed him to his user page. It was to be expected, that Databoy does not want any talk on his user page. Whom do You know, who prefers talk on his user page? So I'm asking You: What where You thinking? Where is the logic in Your action? Who would benefit from that redirect and how? Be precise in Your answer!! --Manorainjan 12:11, 12 December 2016 (PST)

Your disrespect for Mark, one of the fairest admins on this site, is absolutely astonishing. Databoy (talk) 18:13, 12 December 2016 (PST)
So You are astonished, that somebody can be more disrespectful than You in Your eyes? Besides that, what is Your mission on WikiIndex? What do You intend to contribute besides conflict that causes the admins waste of time about one single entry? --Manorainjan 01:35, 13 December 2016 (PST)
There was no conflict until you appeared and started putting your nose into other people's business. And if you're so concerned about the admins wasting their time, perhaps you shouldn't complain to them. Databoy (talk) 04:17, 13 December 2016 (PST)

Category:WikiIndex account[edit]

You got it wrong, as usual. --Manorainjan 01:52, 25 January 2017 (PST)

You are a lovely person to work with, as usual. ~~ MarkDilley

Thanks ;-) --Manorainjan 07:49, 25 January 2017 (PST)

So, You prefer to do things the wrong way around, as usual? --Manorainjan 07:55, 25 January 2017 (PST)

Hey, Mark[edit]

Since you're a leader of this wiki, I figured I might as well point you to a little vote I've started regarding our wiki people policies. --This is MY book, and I'm gonna READ IT!!! 10:18, 25 January 2017 (PST)

Is this the section you are referring to? WikiIndex talk:Policies and Guidelines#Wiki people policy ~~ MarkDilley

Moving page[edit]

I'm actually pretty annoyed that you moved my old username -> my current username without asking me first. I have outlined my reasons in a mail.

This is something you should have asked me about beforehand and in my opinion, this should not be the default whenever someone changes their name or username. They may have privacy issues or other reasons and may not want this. If I can make a suggestion, you really should ask the user before you do it.

I'd like you to please delete that redirect, which I guess means delete old and new userpages (since old has been moved to new and the history is there for anyone to find). To be clear, I don't want any association with that name at all. Think about it for a second & you should understand why.

I shouldn't have to tell you. I refuse to be defined by my mistakes. That name does not exist anymore. It needs to vanish like a bad dream.

Thanks in advance for understanding. Alexander (talk) 14:06, 14 February 2017 (PST)

Don't forget this user and talk page too, as you moved old to new. Thanks. Alexander (talk) 14:18, 14 February 2017 (PST)

HTTP 500 Internal Server Error[edit]

Hello Mark, hope you are well. :)

I am getting blocked from editing certain pages here - returning the above HTTP 500 error. Do you have any ideas what is happening?

Best regards Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 14:28, 27 April 2017 (PDT)

Hi Sean, well thank you, hope you are well too. Are you getting the error still? ~~ MarkDilley
I'm not too good - awaiting knee surgery at the moment :-(
Errors are still bothersome - I've discovered three specific errors, and raised them with Koavf here. The HTTP 500 error seems to be happening when trying to edit large-ish articles. Template:Wiki status is one which refuses to save even the smallest error and gives the HTTP 500. I also tried to archive some of the older messages from Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki and save them to Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki/Archive 2014-15, but it refuses with the HTTP 500. I've searched on MediaWiki.org, and it indicates some kind of throttling or size limit on the setup of the software. :-/
I'm also getting very random white-page 'database errors'. Even on the smallest articles it occurs, and cache clearing doesn't seem to help. Finally, Special:Upload refuses to work - I can't upload any new logos. Hopefully, you can get Ray or Brandon to resolve the issues. Oh - Happy May Day to you! Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 07:16, 1 May 2017 (PDT)
Hopefully fixed now, errant backup script was eating disk space Raymond King | talk 21:23, 2 May 2017 (PDT)

Cheking with Ward[edit]

In 2010 You said "As far as I understand, PortlandPatternRepository is the first wiki and was nicknamed the WikiWikiWeb." and You are going to check with ward: http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Talk:WikiWikiWeb&diff=77664&oldid=77653

  • Did You do that?
  • What was the result?

I did, remember vaguely that he confirmed. Check out C2.com Portland Pattern Repository's Wiki ~~ MarkDilley

--Manorainjan 09:24, 29 April 2017 (PDT)

Problems remain, some serious[edit]

Hi Mark

We still have problems with our WikiIndex MediaWiki configuration, and I think they need some urgent attention. I'll try to list as follows:
A) database error - I can't remember the exact wording, but I am still getting blocked from saving an edit - with an on-screen error message regarding database something :-P
B) autopatrolled - I am regularly getting my own edits appearing with the "mark this edit as patrolled"! This simply should not occur. Autopatrolled edits should happen automatically for every registered user who has made more than 10 edits. I think I have passed that threshold <he says, tounge in cheek>.
C) spam blacklist - I am occasionally getting blocked from saving edits by either the spam blacklist, and / or one of the Abuse Filters. These occurrences have happened on existing articles, where the "blocked" phrase or word was already on said article. A recent example is on Regiowikis. Look under the Romania sub-heading - it won't let me save the text which I had to comment out - because it contained "c u r e". As an Administrator, I should automatically be allowed to bypass all blacklists and Abuse Filter triggers - but something must be quite wrong in our software config.
And finally, for now;
D) page protection failure - I was given a heads up on my user talk page about some possible vandalism by Manor. Upon investigation, I noticed that WikiIndex:Add a Wiki had some drivel editing by an IP editor. This is exceedingly alarming! That specific page has been protected (since 2013, I think) so that ONLY sysops can edit it. Something is seriously wrong if an IP editor can edit a supposedly protected page at will. Wrong example, I need to find the correct one.

I noticed Koavf blocked said IP for 2 weeks, and reverted one of their vandal edits, but some still remain - so I will check all their edits.

Can you please ask Ray to look into these issues asap please? Best, Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 12:53, 26 May 2017 (PDT)

Thanks for reaching out Sean. I passed along info. Best, MarkDilley

Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki#Inactivity of administrators[edit]

Hey, master of Visions, lover of communities plodding on, would You care to conduct a survey amongst the inactive admins about their reasons? --Manorainjan 03:12, 4 June 2017 (PDT)

Good idea, I have no time to be involved in that. ~~ MarkDilley
Does it really matter if any admin is 'inactive'? There are two specific methods that any person (even IP editors) can use to check the activity of sysops, that are universally enabled on all public MediaWiki sites. Me thinks Manor is just snooping for the sake of snooping.  :-/ Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 15:06, 7 December 2017 (PST)

Thank You Notification[edit]

On Wikipedia there is this functionality that You can send thanks to editors for their edits. Don't You think, this positive kind of reaction could be useful in enhancing wiki community? --Manorainjan 10:42, 6 December 2017 (PST)

Sure if you or others would like to do that, I think it is a great idea. ~~ MarkDilley

Advertising on WikiIndex[edit]

Hi Mark. Just found a comment you made back in 2011 about web advertising on GooglePlus, and your clear preference of having an 'off' button for the ads. This ties in with recent thoughts of my own, following my discovery that WikiIndex has a Google AdSense account set up, but not currently enabled. I noticed that our MediaWiki config allows us to have the ads displaying for Anon users and IP editors, but can also turn off the ads once logged in. This is actually an identical modus operandi which many other wikis use - both independent and major wiki farms such as Wikia and the former Wikkii.

I actually see two positive benefits of enabling Anon ads; the first an obvious is a valuable income stream (which shouldn't be dismissed lightly), the second is that it will hopefully improve our wiki community by dangling a carrot and 'encouraging' IP editors to create an account. Naturally, we can edit our Anon site notice to the effect that logging in will remove the ads.

The only downside is that ads do annoy a small percentage of wiki users (but this is no different to life in general, be they ads on TV, or on newspaper websites, etc). In reality, though, if we do happen to p!ss off a tiny minority who detest ads, they probably would not be a valuable community asset anyway!

I am suggesting this, because, whilst the previous efforts of Brandon and Emufarmers are greatly appreciated, WikiIndex really does deserve much better backend support. There are still many bugs outstanding since the last upgrade by Brandon back in 2015, and I am not sure when our database was last backed up!

What are your thoughts, please? Can you run this past Ray? Best regards as always. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 07:12, 9 December 2017 (PST)

We're pretty familiar with AdSense from our days at AboutUs. I recall that you need quite a bit of traffic to generate any meaningful revenue. The more prominent the ad(s), the more revenue and the more "junked up" the site looks. I don't mind an experiment, like maybe an ad under the menu on the left, but not sure who can easily set this up. Also, I don't mind simply trying to get better back end support in place. Open to thoughts Raymond King | talk
Do we have anywhere statistical data about the traffic in WikiIndex? I had asked for such quite some time ago:WikiIndex:SiteStats. No response by now.... Manorainjan 11:13, 13 December 2017 (PST)
I don't, maybe someone else does? Raymond King | talk
If You don't have such data, than nobody has. Since years, for the most part, this community is in strict denial of the acceptance of the unimportance of this wiki. Therefore anything that could lead to actual data that would allow comparisons with the other entities in the wikisphere which we are to cartograph are avoided. Even the one method which we used to measure other wikis with - the wikiFactor - we have given up and are not to renew it. Manorainjan 11:52, 13 December 2017 (PST)
If Ray doesn't have immediate access to that data, it may still exist. In fact, it very likely does with the host. If you think this wiki is unimportant, then I'm not sure why you bother to even say so. Koavf (talk) 12:19, 13 December 2017 (PST)

WikiIndex:Community portal/News[edit]

It's a news page, not a chat room. --Manorainjan 13:26, 14 December 2017 (PST)

If WikiIndex:Community portal/News is for "news and chat" as You prefer to believe, than for what is WikiIndex talk:Community portal/News? And why is it called News and not News & Chat and whatever crosses Marks mind? --Manorainjan 14:32, 14 December 2017 (PST)

Abuse filter 12 blocking sign-up for Jordan D[edit]

Hi Mark, hope you are well.

I have been looking through the Abuse filter log and noticed a trigger alert of 25 August 2018 disallowing the creation of a username (and therefore account) by Jordan D that contained the word 'Jordan'. Knowing that is an acceptable christian name / given name and/or surname, I amended Abuse filter 12 to effectively allow 'Jordan' to create an account contaning said username. Further down the abuse filter log, I also noticed that both Ray and yourself tried to manually create a user account for the same Jordan D on 15 July 2018, but without success. Now that I have amended offending abuse filter, if either yourself or Ray still have contact details for Jordan D, maybe you (or Ray) can try again to create his account.

I shall copy the above to User talk:Ray King, just in case Ray has more time or still has the contact details of Jordan D. Miss your input here, hope you can find time to actively return. Do I guess you are currently busy with the US Mid-Term elections? All the best. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 07:10, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello Sean! Thank you so very much for figuring out that weirdness! I will look around and see if I can let him know we figured out the problem (using royal-we :-) - yes the midterm elections are upon us and lots of people have been working very hard for something positive. Breath held for three more days now! Much appreciation Sean. Best, MarkDilley

So great you figured it out Sean! I've e-mailed Jordan and hope he shows up :-) Raymond King | talk

Pages for deletion[edit]

Hello, can you please check Category:Pages for deletion? The category includes my user page and talk page, which I would like to remove because they contain personal information. --Usa11 (talk) 12:35, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! --Usa11 (talk) 18:58, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Nathan Larson[edit]

Regarding this, that is in fact the same Nathan Larson. –MJLTalk 06:39, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Troll account[edit]

Hello, I did that because this is a troll account. I was already globally locked on Wikimedia and multiple wiki farms (Fandom, Miraheze and ShoutWiki). Also, I am a sockpuppet of User:Usa11, so please block both of us. Sorry. --Terilir (talk) 07:52, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

I confirm that I am a troll account and a sockpuppet of Terilir. Please block me and delete the user pages of both my accounts. --Usa11 (talk) 08:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)