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=— * 2017 * —=
==Happy New Year!==
'''WikiIndex wishlist''' What would you like to see happen here in 2017? How would you like to see the site change and grow? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 09:19, 31 December 2016 (PST)


If you have a question about WikiIndex or directed towards all the WikiIndex people,
==Semantic MediaWiki==
and it's not already answered in the [[WikiIndex:FrequentlyAskedQuestions]],
Do folks have any ideas on how to show off our [[:Category:Semantic MediaWiki|Semantic MediaWiki]]? ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
please post it to ... um ...
''(should I tell people to post it here to Talk:Community Portal, or to [[WikiIndex talk:Community talk]] ?)''.


:I did not know that we are here to show of. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 07:53, 25 January 2017 (PST)


== upgrade ==
:'''Showing off''' What do you have in mind, Mark? From what I've seen, the use of SMW is pretty "under-the-hood" rather than on display as such... Do you want to have tools to query our site like at [[Wikidata]]? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 08:58, 25 January 2017 (PST)
John, your upgrade plan looks fantastic!  peace, [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:44, 4 May 2006 (EDT)


== Wow, pulling in another page is fab! ==
Where are the tools for Semantic wiki here?  It has been a while and I have forgotten.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]25 January 2017


I love that code on NewPerson and NewWiki (might move to WikiIndex namespace), I was just thinking about something like that today!! Great work John!!! [[MarkDilley]]
:'''Namespaces''' Mark, you can find them from [[Special:AllPages]] starting [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&to=&namespace=102 here]. Namespaces such as "Form" and "Type" (unused) are all SMW namespaces. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 22:31, 24 January 2017 (PST)


: Need now to review the front page and the existing add and edit links for conflicting instructions. You guys may also want to look at the [[New Person]] page and the [[NewWiki]] page to standardize what is pulled into each new page. I did the best I could but I was just winging it. May want to have a new template to suck into each new page. [[User:John Stanton|John Stanton]] 18:47, 10 May 2006 (EDT)
=={{u|Manorainjan}}==
It's time to stop this once and for all. Said user has a track record of pestering and at times even insulting other users, in fact [[User:Hoof Hearted|an admin]] left for a while because of him. It seems to me like Manor acts as though he's some sort of "mini-admin" most of the time, and frankly I think he needs to be blocked. What do you guys think? --[[User talk:Rock-O-Jello|This is MY book, and I'm gonna READ IT!!!]] 09:44, 25 January 2017 (PST)
:'''Guidelines''' I have always argued that a large part of the problem is that we don't have many guidelines. I don't like rules generally but if we don't have any kind of documentation to appeal to, someone can always say, "But I didn't know I couldn't do this". (Even if the infraction is pretty obvious social etiquette.) I think that we should be more explicit about what is expected and then when it's transgressed, it's easier to point out ''how'' and ''why'' there would be some consequence. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 11:06, 25 January 2017 (PST)


: The French version needs updating also, my French is very poor :-) [[User:John Stanton|John Stanton]] 18:50, 10 May 2006 (EDT)
::I am a known wiki person, but I will not reveal my name to avoid problems with the aforementioned user. I have had several problems with him and came to the conclusion that he is a stupid provocateur. He should be blocked from the whole internet. --[[Special:Contributions/46.166.148.154|46.166.148.154]] 10:33, 26 January 2017 (PST)
:: The [[Template:NewWiki boilerplate]] seems to be '''''old''''' now, it's  miscategorized, we should delete it. --[[Wolf Peuker|Peu]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 15:51, 9 November 2006 (EST)


:::Says someone who is [[wp:Special:Contributions/46.166.148.154|globally blocked over all WikiMedia-projects]] ;-) --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 12:06, 26 January 2017 (PST)


I think that's actually the "New Wiki" boilerplate.  New wikis are added all the time.  I've puzzled over the fact that we have two boilerplates that seem the same, but can't make the no-includes and include-onlys work out to combine them. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 02:49, 10 November 2006 (EST)
::::You know that I am using open proxies (which is blocked on Wikimedia for obvious reasons) to avoid you to come and stalk me under my house. ;)
: I disagree. You have to use subst: or copy the contents of [[Template:Wiki Boilerplate]] --[[Wolf Peuker|Peu]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 07:54, 10 November 2006 (EST)


I don't understand what you're disagreeing with.  If you can make the add wiki button function work properly without an additional copy of the boilderplate, please go ahead and do so. This is not a philosophical debate. There simply is a practical reason why we're using it now because we don't know any betterIf you know a better way, please help!  [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 10:58, 10 November 2006 (EST)
{{U|Manorainjan}} - do you really think it is appropriate to accuse people of behaving like Nazis - as you did in your edit summary of this edit - http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex_talk:Community_portal&oldid=194882Frankly, that is truly despicable behaviour, and you, as a German should know better.
: Aha now I see the "Add Wiki"-Button. I used only this two ways to add a Wikis or Wiki-Data
* Search for it, if no found, use the red Link and place URL and <nowiki>{{Add}}</nowiki>
* Search for it, if no found, use the red Link and paste a Wiki Boilerplate copy and type in data
--[[Wolf Peuker|Peu]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 11:17, 12 November 2006 (EST)


The Community_Portal page include the “Hosting a Wiki? – Add it to WikiIndex!” section. That section in turn includes the “Create a New Wiki Page” feature/button, which creates an article skeleton that includes <nowiki>{{Size
As to lack of 'policy' here on WikiIndex - I think this is a red herring.  Let us be very clear here.  Manor has had multiple, repeated WARNINGS over his conduct and behaviour. When Manor refuses to comply with very specific requests from not only long-term and highly valued editors - and then has the utter arrogance to refuse when told buy Admins and Crats - that, to me, and I would guess the whole of the [[wikisphere]] is ABSOLUTE grounds for banning. The fact that he was so belligerently arrogant to effectively force a Crat to step away from WikiIndex - that just shows his fundamental character!  And that type of character is NOT helpful in building a wiki community. And since I took my lengthy sabbatical, I have discovered MANY subsequent editors to ask that Manor be blocked for his repeated abusive behaviour.
| wiki_statistics_URL    = No
| wiki_</nowiki>'''size'''<nowiki> = YourWikiSize
}}</nowiki> <BR>But the second field of [[Template:Size]] has been changed from wiki_'''size''' to wiki_'''pages'''. I'm hoping someone knows how to update the “Create a New Wiki Page” function so it does wiki_pages instead of wiki_size. --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 13:45, 26 July 2007 (EDT)


:Thank you to whoever updated the “Create a New Wiki Page” feature, it does wiki_pages field now. --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 16:21, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
Quite frankly, if Manor is allowed to continue here on WikiIndex, then WikiIndex will eventually self-destruct.  I am again frankly shocked over the very real STAGNATION which WikiIndex has succumbed to since Manors arrival.  Sure, there are a few dedicated editors here who try to do their bit - but are overwhelmed by constant fire-fighting caused by Manor. But I have looked at many of arguably the most important entries here on WikiIndex - and I was shocked to find they had NOT been updated for nigh-on THREE YEARS!


== Wikis with same name ==
In light of the above - and particularly the blatant racist comment by Manor - I will be blocking Manor for a period of 7 days.  Manor needs to use these 7 days to honestly consider if he wishes to comply with the views and requests of the remainder of the WikiIndex community.  If Manor tries to bypass his 7 day block - I will DOUBLE the duration of his block - and will concurrently double his block for each and every attempt he may use to bypass the block.


Is there any policy on how to handle multiple wikis with the same name? When trying to add [http://wiki.hypexr.org/wikka.php?wakka=WikiHomePage Programming Wiki], I found [[Programming Wiki]], which is a Wikia. This must have happened before, so how is that normally handled?
To the rest of the WikiIndex community, and especially {{U|MarkDilley}} - I expect you to support my action to block Manor for a short period of time. It would be nice if we put the interests of WikiIndex first, rather than letting someone stay who not only has destroyed the friendly community we once had here, but who has also failed to grasp the fundamental ethos of WikiIndex.


Also, is this the right place to ask such questions? [[User:Ahy1|Ahy1]] 19:09, 13 August 2006 (EDT)
Comments, please.  :-)  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 09:53, 27 January 2017 (PST)


{{Support}} ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


Hello Arild,  
{{Support}} I'll be honest, I'm shocked Manor was unblocked the first time Hoof tried to ban him. He is truly pugnacious, as evidenced by the aforementioned racist comment and his post on my talk page. --[[User talk:Rock-O-Jello|This is MY book, and I'm gonna READ IT!!!]] 15:34, 27 January 2017 (PST)


We do not have a good way to communicate on this wiki. For those of us who read it daily, it works fine, but for weekly or occasional folks it is a wee bit confusing.  Any suggestions would help. Second, we have been using [[disambiguation]] pages for multiple wiki with the same name.  We also have tried placing two templates on the same page, but no decisions have been made. Will try to find you examples. Best, [[MarkDilley]]
{{Support}} Obviously. And I will definitely support any further action you take on this. Maybe I'm too naive or too much of a nice guy but I've experienced this on another wiki as well where someone makes what are definitely constructive and useful edits (and so is not ''solely'' a troll or vandal) but ''additionally'' is so consistently rude and off-putting that he has to go. Simply put, wikis are built around communities and if we have to lose one prolific and generally knowledgeable user because he pushes away everyone else through a combination of logical fallacies, abrasiveness, and martyrdom syndrome, then it's clear which one is preferable. I honestly don't want to lose him as an editor nor did I want to lose the valuable contributions of the other person at the other wiki I mentioned but for the well-being of the ''community'' even at the risk of a small set-back in the creation of content, it has to happen. I have been too rosy-eyed in the past and I still am--I sincerely hope that Manorainjan just cools off and looks at this objectively to see that his behavior is (willfully) off-putting and that others are not ganging up on him. Too many olive branches and too much pleading--please grow up and just be a decent person. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 22:49, 27 January 2017 (PST)


: I've started a page for your Wikka Wakka programming wiki here:[[Programming Wiki (hypexr.org)]] [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 15:05, 14 August 2006 (EDT)
{{Support}} --[[User:TheTVFan|TheTVFan]] ([[User talk:TheTVFan|talk]]) 00:40, 28 January 2017 (PST)


:: It is not my wiki. I just found it and tried to add it to WikiIndex. Now I know what to do next time I run in to multiple wikis with the same name. Thanks. [[User:Ahy1|Ahy1]] 15:18, 14 August 2006 (EDT)
{{support|Strong support}} I've had issues with this user while I was editing as an [[IP editor|IP]]. I'll point to just a few out of a whole string of examples. The user [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Wiki.Wiki&diff=prev&oldid=194099 refused] to allow me to change the [[Wiki.Wiki]] article to "inactive" after no wiki requests had been answered for over three months, and, even after I explained my reasoning, did the same thing [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Wiki.Wiki&diff=next&oldid=194378 again]. In addition, he also refused to let me blank and request deletion of my own static IP talk page [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:73.47.71.127&diff=193967&oldid=193964 not once], [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:73.47.71.127&diff=next&oldid=193976 not twice], but [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:73.47.71.127&diff=prev&oldid=194018 three times]. He also [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiBridge&diff=prev&oldid=193990 reverted] my edits to the [[WikiBridge]] article that classified the wiki "dead" - my reason being that despite technically still existing, a message was left on the Main page saying "This wiki no longer exists" and the supposed replacement site archived in the page history also has been closed. I could probably find more examples, but I think I've made my point. Users like this should not be allowed to contribute to any community-based environment, especially when they don't explain half of their edit reverts! I do agree though that more policy documentation is needed. <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<font color="#D47C14">itsJamie</font>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 16:41, 2 February 2017 (PST)


== merge request ==
'''Give him a warning''' and see if that suffices. If not, revisit the issue later. He might not play well with others, but he puts in a lot of work on the project. With regard to racist remarks that may or may not have been made, bear in mind that with the election of Donald Trump, the era of political correctness is over. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 22:44, 2 February 2017 (PST)
=== singular versus plural ===


I fail to see any significant difference between [[:Category:Languages]] and [[:Category:Language]].
:'''Comment''' According to the users above, he has already had multiple warnings and temporary blocks, yet has refused to listen. Also, please keep politics out of community discussions. Many people, myself included, will disagree with your point of view. Thank you. <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<font color="#D47C14">itsJamie</font>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 04:19, 3 February 2017 (PST)
Could we merge those pages somehow?
::Was he given an official warning, or was it just a bunch of people coming up to him at various times and saying, "I find your behavior objectionable; cut that out" which led to him saying, "Who are YOU to tell me what to do" or "I did nothing wrong" or whatever? I don't recall there being a situation where MarkDilley told him, "Hey, knock it off or I'm gonna block you." Had that happened a long time ago, maybe Sean wouldn't have gone on his hiatus.
Preferably under the singular form, to avoid the [http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiNamePluralProblem WikiNamePluralProblem].
--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 22:36, 3 September 2006 (EDT)


Please David, go ahead and make this wiki better!! Best, [[MarkDilley]]
::Anyway, if someone got offended by a racist remark, that means politics already got injected into the discussion, because racism is very political (what with all the white nationalist movements coming out of the shadows these days). I'm not saying we have any people like that around here, but entryist SJWs have been known to go around the Internet [https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3fr5d2/one_way_to_fight_back_against_entryist_sjw_codes/ trying] to get codes of conduct enacted (formally or informally) banning racist remarks, so that they can censor their opponents. To the extent this is an opinion poll of the users, I'm registering my dissent with norms of political correctness.


OK, I made [[:Category:Languages]] redirect to [[:Category:Language]].
::Having said that, if someone called me a honky, I'd be offended, but no more than if he called me an idiot or some other insult. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 06:50, 3 February 2017 (PST)
Then I obsessively removed all references to [[:Category:Languages]].
:::It was an official warning - from a crat, no less - and he was blocked after refusing to listen and then he [[Sockpuppetry|socked]] over said block. --[[User talk:Rock-O-Jello|This is MY book, and I'm gonna READ IT!!!]] 08:35, 3 February 2017 (PST)
Anything else I should do about that?
::::'''Official warnings''' Yes, I have warned him on multiple instances in the time that I have been an admin/bureaucrat/staff member. There isn't a process for "official" warnings but it's also clear that if you're harassing and annoying multiple users over the course of years and driving them away from the project, then something has to give: either you get blocked or everyone else concedes defeat and makes this your personal playground. Not having many official rules is nice in a way but it also ends up being a problem at times. Lacking that, common sense is a decent rule of thumb (which is also imperfect). We also don't have a particular rule about offensive speech and I generally think that's a good thing as well but there is also speech that serves no purpose other than to irritate or harass and the community stands nothing to gain by having someone be provocative without repercussions. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 08:55, 3 February 2017 (PST)
While I was doing that, I noticed [[:Category:constructed languages]] and [[:Category:ConLang]].
:::::I consider any warning from a sysop to be an official warning. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 17:57, 3 February 2017 (PST)
Should I merge those as well? Under which name? Or perhaps [[:Category:constructed language]], since I have this anti-plural vendetta?
'''Comment''' I do note that the user being discussed is currently blocked, which I don't think is very fair. Assuming that I am not mistaken, I believe what is being discussed here is an indefinite block or even a permanent ban from WikiIndex. In either case, the user in question should be allowed to defend themselves or otherwise comment before the discussion is closed. If the user makes disruptive comments to the discussion, then they should be blocked. But not before they'd had a chance to defend their actions. Just my personal opinion, but I think that it is important to consider. <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<font color="#D47C14">itsJamie</font>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 09:04, 3 February 2017 (PST)
--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 10:21, 24 September 2006 (EDT)
:As other users stated, he has been warned multiple times. When his block expires, he will be able to explain and defend his actions. --[[User:TheTVFan|TheTVFan]] ([[User talk:TheTVFan|talk]]) 09:12, 3 February 2017 (PST)
::'''Ban''' You are mistaken, Jamie--he is blocked for seven days (expiring soon) and I am certainly willing to let him contribute if all he wants to do is contribute. Someone who is simply trolling will be blocked indefinitely, no problem. Someone who has many demonstrably constructive edits but who is also abrasive is a lot trickier and that's why I hope that he can come back and play nice. He's had plenty of opportunities to defend himself which mainly amount to tu quoque fallacies and mind-games ("yeah but ''you'' did [x]" or "how can you prove that I intended [y]"). It's inarguable that his behavior is inappropriate and lacking a clear policy, the ''repeated'' warnings over the course of ''years'' should be sufficient. I sincerely hope that it's onwards and upwards once his block expires if he chooses to return. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 09:17, 3 February 2017 (PST)


:Is there a policy on plural/singular? Wikipedia uses plurals for categories, which makes sense to me... the important things are to do what is most intuitive for users of this wiki (linking from pages about wikis), and to be consistent. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 00:28, 19 December 2006 (PST)
==Request for Comments==
'''[[User:HAL-9000]]''' This user emailed me personally asking for an unblock. I explained in email and via [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:HAL-9000&diff=prev&oldid=195631 his talk] that I will be holding him to extra scrutiny and may have to consult IP logs due to the [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?oldid=189751#HAL-9000_and_related_IPs_are_a_global_vandal.2C_there_was_no_hack nature of prior disruption]. His unblock was adjusted from "indefinite" to a few days from now to solicit community feedback. I'm a believer in second chances and I remember him being a productive member of the community. Thoughts? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 13:24, 4 February 2017 (PST)


::Is there now a policy for whether to have categories as singular or plural? At [[:Category talk:Weblogs]] I asked about two categories and the reply was “Please condense the two categories! .., redirect the singular to the plural? ..” --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 16:20, 9 August 2007 (EDT)
:As I saw from his profile that he made some productive edits, {{Support}}, but the community should keep in mind that I didn't know him before, so I'm not aware of his previous actions. [[User:TheTVFan|TheTVFan]] ([[User talk:TheTVFan|talk]]) 13:37, 4 February 2017 (PST)


::: No, exactly the opposite:
:Also, I received a private e-mail from him asking to remove his personal information on Community Portal. For the admin team: I have removed it, please revert my edit if you think it's not okay. I have unblocked him assuming good faith, but will be monitoring his edits. --[[User:TheTVFan|TheTVFan]] ([[User talk:TheTVFan|talk]]) 04:49, 5 February 2017 (PST)
::: There is a policy of using a singular name if at all possible -- to solve the [[wiki:WikiNamePluralProblem]] -- on the original wiki (for technical reasons that may not apply here).
::: There's currently no policy here on WikiIndex.
::: I prefer using the singular -- perhaps because I became comfortable using the singular everywhere on the original wiki.
::: --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 20:57, 5 September 2007 (EDT)


:::: [[How do categories work]] is using plural: ".. category "Lisp" should be a subcategory of "ProgrammingLanguages"". And Category:Wiki_Location includes Cities as a subcategory. I like the idea of each category have a singular name (and not plural). --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 23:49, 22 February 2010 (EST)
==Lift infinite blocks for IP-spammers?==
::::: I'd prefer the plural form, although I know the singular in Wikipedia etc. It seems to be that the category page titles seem more reasonable. But whatever the decision is made, one form should be redirected to another. I really don't want to block the singular form principle for wikiindex. Best regards --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 02:58, 23 February 2010 (EST)
I think that IP-[[spam]]mers should not be blocked for infinite, because they use proxies or dynamic [[IP address|IPs]]. I think a 1-year block is enough. Comment with your ideas below :-) --[[User:TheTVFan|TheTVFan]] ([[User talk:TheTVFan|talk]]) 04:34, 5 February 2017 (PST)
*{{support}} — Indefinitely blocking IP's is never a good thing except in the most serious circumstances, and it is not allowed on [[WMF]] unless deemed absolutely necessary (and any indefinitely blocked IP's are subject to review). Regardless of the reason, I'd say 365 days should be the maximum block for any IP address. <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<font color="#D47C14">itsJamie</font>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 09:15, 5 February 2017 (PST)
*{{support}} — A long block on an IP is frequently unnecessary as someone is likely to just move on after [x] days/weeks. There are about 700 IPs which are indefinitely blocked and I'm removing them for the ones that are a decade old--very unlikely they will cause any problems. And if they do, we have several active admins here. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 10:50, 5 February 2017 (PST)
*{{support}} — I agree about the one-year maximum. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 20:41, 5 February 2017 (PST)
*{{support}} — I fundamentally agree with the one-year maximum block for spammers from a single [[IP address]], but with the added proviso that should the IP user return to spam again after the expiry of their previous block, they <u>will</u> be blocked indefinitely. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 06:45, 6 December 2017 (PST)


== category name ==
==Category:Inactive==
The Inactive category is deprecated and has been replaced by [[:Category:Dormant|Dormant]]. Using the "inactive" entry returns an error message saying that it's not in the list of possible values, even before I deleted it from the wiki status comparison table just now. I would propose removing all entries from the category and updating them with a different status, but the issue is that there are 777 pages in the category. This would take forever to [[orphan]]. Advice? <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<font color="#D47C14">itsJamie</font>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 09:51, 6 February 2017 (PST)


There are several wiki that talk *about* wiki is emphatically on-topic.
:Those kind of of edits should be done by a [[bot]]. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 10:06, 6 February 2017 (PST)
It's a kind of meta-discussion.
::'''Botwork''' I am doing them with [[AWB]] and I have tagged my account as a bot at the moment. There is also [[:Category:Pages that use Template:Inactive]] from [[Template:Inactive]] which should be emptied and all instances of [[Template:Inactive]] should be converted to [[Template:Wiki]] with <code>status=Dormant</code> but in the meantime, this will fix all of the error thrown up by the invalid status. Thanks, Jamie. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 10:14, 6 February 2017 (PST)
The original wiki is *not* such a wiki -- people at the original wiki try to push such conversations
:::'''Deprecation''' It looks like [[User:MarkDilley]] had some [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Template_talk%3AInactive&diff=179560&oldid=157960 reservations] about deprecating the template. Mark, if you're viewing this, can you explain more? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 10:29, 6 February 2017 (PST)
to Meatball ( [[Wiki:WikiOnWiki]] ).
::::It's true that the Inactive category can be considered deprecated, but there wasn't an official community consensus about it. I also agree that the edits should be done with a bot, to avoid obstructing RecentChanges. --[[User:TheTVFan|TheTVFan]] ([[User talk:TheTVFan|talk]]) 10:56, 6 February 2017 (PST)
:::::'''Bot flag''' I amended my user rights so that it would pass through the bot filter but it evidently didn't work--not sure why. Sorry for clogging up the Recent Changes but it's a done deal now. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 11:14, 6 February 2017 (PST)
::::::Not a problem. I wanted to remove "Inactive" status from WikiStatus template, as we don't use it anymore, but I see it was alredy done. Good work. :-)--[[User:TheTVFan|TheTVFan]] ([[User talk:TheTVFan|talk]]) 11:38, 6 February 2017 (PST)


I want to tag those wiki (but not the original wiki) with an appropriate category tag.


What should I name this category? [ [category:wiki on wiki] ]? [ [category:metadiscussion] ]? [ [category:self-analysis] ]? Something else?
The change is incomplete. It is not sufficient, to change the status. One has to rework the template intro: "Inactive|" must be replaced by "Wiki/n|", 3 SPACE removed, may be more. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 12:15, 6 February 2017 (PST)
:{{Support}}. This should be done, manually or with a bot. --[[User:TheTVFan|TheTVFan]] ([[User talk:TheTVFan|talk]]) 12:17, 6 February 2017 (PST)
::'''Change''' Manorainjan, ''which template'' needs to be changed...? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 12:28, 6 February 2017 (PST)
::The change towards inactive caused the [[:Category:WikiLogo|logos]] to be disconnected from the wiki page. Therefore we got loads of orphaned logos. We would see their destination only after this rework. Some logos got deleted in the meantime, because someone thought they are not needed.  --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 12:20, 6 February 2017 (PST)
:::'''Logos''' Can you give an example of one? I can undelete or re-add as necessary. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 12:28, 6 February 2017 (PST)


--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 10:21, 24 September 2006 (EDT)
I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that, because HAL has flooded RC with vandal-edits. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 12:35, 6 February 2017 (PST)
:He was just blocked. Thank you for warning us about this user. --[[User:TheTVFan|TheTVFan]] ([[User talk:TheTVFan|talk]]) 12:39, 6 February 2017 (PST)


== broken template ==
==User HAL-9000: what about his new edit?==
I blocked him because of [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex_talk:Community_portal&curid=2339&diff=196045&oldid=196044 this vandalism edit]. I think we need a strong community support to unblock him. Please reply with {{Support}} or {{Oppose}}.--[[User:TheTVFan|TheTVFan]] ([[User talk:TheTVFan|talk]]) 11:45, 6 February 2017 (PST)


The [[wiki]] template
:{{Oppose}}: seems to be a blanking [[vandal]] --[[User:TheTVFan|TheTVFan]] ([[User talk:TheTVFan|talk]]) 11:45, 6 February 2017 (PST)
(used on most pages of the wikiindex) is broken.
::'''Blanking''' Page blanking can be unintentional. You've allowed the user the ability to edit his talk page so he can explain himself there. Not sure if you're seeing this, HAL but what happened here? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 11:51, 6 February 2017 (PST)
:::I have intentionally done it, to have a response from him. However, I have temporarily unblocked his account to let him answer here. --[[User:TheTVFan|TheTVFan]] ([[User talk:TheTVFan|talk]]) 11:52, 6 February 2017 (PST)


Since it effects many pages, should we move the discussion here to [[Talk:Community Portal]],
I have undone almost all his [[vandal]]ism. Please see if I forgot some pages, and rollback them. Best, --[[User:TheTVFan|TheTVFan]] ([[User talk:TheTVFan|talk]]) 13:10, 6 February 2017 (PST)
or leave the discussion to where we started it
at [[Talk:PlanetMath]]?


Today I see that someone (?) fixed the "RecentChanges" part of the [[wiki]] template,
{{oppose|Weak oppose}} As this does seem to be a vandalism-only account, I would typically oppose an unblock. However, one thing I would like to mention is the possibility of a malicious bot. The page blankings seem to be happening all at once, so I would wonder if either the user is running a bot and is not performing the actions themselves, or, at the worst, their account has been compromised by malicious software. I would recommend a CheckUser to check for spambot IP's before going any further. Depending on the CU results, my opinion may change later. <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<font color="#D47C14">itsJamie</font>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 13:37, 6 February 2017 (PST)
but now the
"wiki_wikinode_URL ="
part of the template is broken.
For example,
* [[Visual]] -- there is a valid-looking wikinode URL passed as a parameter to the template, but it doesn't get displayed in the normal page view.
* [[Hooze]] -- has no wikinode (yet).


--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 12:20, 3 October 2006 (EDT)
:This was to be expected. I did not say anything, because actually everybody had been warned: [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex_talk:Community_portal&diff=189769&oldid=189768 dif]. The claim, that the account had been hacked is old ... who believes such claims? --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 14:19, 6 February 2017 (PST)
::I don't rule anything out until there is evidence either confirming it or discrediting it. Therefore, I will not identify the claim of a hacked account as false unless CU data or other sufficient evidence prove it to be so (in summary: I believe everything in situations like this until evidence discredits options). <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<font color="#D47C14">itsJamie</font>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 14:59, 6 February 2017 (PST)
:{{support}} Give the benefit of the doubt; if he's a vandal, he'll mess up again soon enough, and you can reblock him. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 15:35, 6 February 2017 (PST)


:: [[User:Smiddle]], [[Sean Fennel]] and I have all had our hands in this template, both breaking and trying to fix it. For the time being, I've simply reverted it to the last copy that we know was working properly. I'd guess [[User:Smiddle]] will give it another try at some point.  Thanks for helping to sluth it out, David!  [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 12:30, 3 October 2006 (EDT)
'''Check User''' If the actual person running the account and doing constructive things wants a new account, he can request one. In the meantime, there are long blocks put on IPs associated with this account and an indefinite one for this user. I generally don't like (implicitly) publishing IPs but the user was warned that this would be possible and his IPs have been published here before, so c'est la vie. If his machines are compromised, then he really needs to scrub his hard drives. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 18:46, 6 February 2017 (PST)


== Categorising by licence ==
:I am TheTVFan. The vandal probably shares my IPs because he is my brother and we live in the same house. Please unblock me as I still want to edit here. [[Special:Contributions/103.10.197.194|103.10.197.194]] 06:24, 7 February 2017 (PST)


It's a surprising ommission, but from what I can tell you aren't categorising sites by licence. Any thoughts on doing that? --[[User:Kingboyk|Kingboyk]] 14:02, 27 October 2006 (EDT)
==Language conventions==
I noticed that some [[:Category:Wikimedia Foundation|WMF]] entires have varying language titles. For example, the [[French Wikipedia]] has the word "French" written in English. However, others have the English title redirecting to the title in the respective language (Spanish Wikipedia redirects to [[Español Wikipedia]]). I don't think we should have two different styles of language in page titles. Which one is technically correct? I'm fine with either, as long as it's consistent. <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<font color="#D47C14">itsJamie</font>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 07:59, 8 February 2017 (PST)
:'''Agreed''' Do we need to even break these up by language? In the case of [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] that may be helpful just because of how large that particular project is but these are really all the same wiki, just in different editions. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 09:07, 8 February 2017 (PST)
::I think it's okay to have separate entries, but I just feel that they all need to follow the same naming conventions. We shouldn't have some of them titled in the language of the project they discuss, and then have some others titled in English. What we have with Wikipedia at least is the opposite. <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<font color="#D47C14">itsJamie</font>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 19:00, 8 February 2017 (PST)


: This is a community generated site, so if you'd like to work on categorizing by license, please feel warmly welcomed to do so. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:56, 27 October 2006 (EDT)
==Freenode IRC==
Hi, I just wanted to make an announcement that I have created a Freenode IRC channel for WikiIndex. The channel is <code>#wiki-index</code> (note the hyphen!) Please feel free to join and hang out. <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<font color="#D47C14">itsJamie</font>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 08:08, 9 February 2017 (PST)
:Have you registered the channel? --[[User talk:Rock-O-Jello|This is MY book, and I'm gonna READ IT!!!]] 08:36, 9 February 2017 (PST)
::Indeed I have, I'm just not there right now. <s>I'll log on now.</s> I'm not just going to idle in an empty channel. I'll be around if the channel ever gets active. <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<font color="#D47C14">itsJamie</font>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 08:49, 9 February 2017 (PST)
:::'''Former channel''' For several years, we had an [[Internet Relay Chat|IRC]] channel at irc://irc.freenode.net/wikiindex but it was [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3ASidebar&diff=127434&oldid=126479 removed in 2012] by [[User:Elassint]]. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 09:26, 9 February 2017 (PST)


== license discussion ==
What about the [http://meetingwords.com/WikiIndex Etherpad]? [[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 09:41, 9 February 2017 (PST)
::::I like IRC better. I saw the former channel and it appears that the Freenode administration locked it due to inactivity. That's why I created the new channel. <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<font color="#D47C14">itsJamie</font>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 09:51, 9 February 2017 (PST)


I see that discussions about "What license should we use for our wiki?" are scattered across thousands of wiki.
==WikiIndex Twitter account==
I keep thinking that having one central place to summarize all the arguments and facts about copyrights and licenses (as they apply to wiki) would be much better.
See [https://twitter.com/wikiIndex here]. Does anyone think that it would be useful to publish with this? Possibly highlight entries that here that are particularly interesting or fleshed out? Does anyone have any other ideas about social media platforms that would work well with our site? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 02:31, 11 February 2017 (PST)
Perhaps [[wiki license]] ?
:To whom is the account administered by?  Of its total of three tweets, two of them are spam!  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 10:18, 10 May 2017 (PDT)
* [[WikiIndex_talk:Copyrights]]
::{{support|Agreed}} This is clearly not an offical Twitter account created by staff, or even if it was, it has clearly been compromised. Seems like an impersonation to me, but either way, it's not a legitimate account (anymore). Therefore, it should not be used for official publications and I'd consider reporting it to Twitter sysadmins for review. I think that they can delete impersonations and ban compromised accounts. -- [[User:Amanda|<span style="color:white;background-color:#8A2DB8"><b>Amanda</b></span>]] <small>[[User talk:Amanda|(talk)]]</small> 13:35, 24 May 2017 (PDT)
* [http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:The_Wiki_License Gutenberg:The Wiki License]
* [http://wikiangela.com/wiki/GNU_Wiki_License the mysterious GNU Wiki License.]
* [http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5344 the mysterious Creative Commons wiki license]
* [http://tunes.org/wiki/Tunes_FAQ the TUNES wiki uses the bugroff license]
* [[Proposal:License]]
* [http://communitywiki.org/CommunityWikiLicense] [[CommunityWiki:CommunityWikiLicense]]
* [http://www.nabble.com/Documentation-wiki:-license-requirement--t3458163.html what license does the OOo wiki use?]
* [http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000833.html "Pick a License, Any License" ] has a nice chart comparing the most popular software licenses. DavidCary would like a similar chart comparing the most popular wiki licenses -- but not a thousand slightly-different versions of such a chart.


On a related note, what about talking about licenses in general? Is there some wiki (other than WikiIndex) where discussing software licenses, music licenses, etc. would be more on-topic ?
::: It is an official account, the "spam" were tweets that were meant for another account at that time, the Twitter mobile app isn't the best at delineating accounts.  I have credentials for the account if this community wants to work with Twitter in growing. And as far as staff, there really isn't staff per say. There are people who are sometimes paid to do backend work, at least that was the last thing I knew about the site.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]


--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 11:04, 11 April 2007 (PDT)
::::Mark, In which way could a twitter account help WikiIndex growing in quality or quantity? Please outline a scenario. Please share Your vision with us. --[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 03:08, 30 May 2017 (PDT)


:Shouldn't there be an individual detailed article about each wiki licence, with them all being put into a category? ([[:Category:wiki license]] perhaps.) If you did something like that, there could be a summary of each licence in the category and that summary could point to the more detailed articles.
==Code of Conduct==
We've talked around this several times and for the time being, this is our provisional 'Code of Conduct'. The language may be modified before it's published here and the community may have ways to adapt it but this is the policy as it stands now. If you find users who are transgressing it, please refer them to this document: http://citizencodeofconduct.org/ This shouldn't be particularly surprising info but I'd recommend that everyone take a look at it to familiarize yourself with how it may work for us. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 15:07, 13 February 2017 (PST)


:I think a category/many articles approach might also help a visitor interested in a specific licence get forwarded onto information about specific wikis that are actually using that license. [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 15:06, 12 January 2010 (EST)
:{{Support}} --[[User talk:Rock-O-Jello|This is MY book, and I'm gonna READ IT!!!]] 10:40, 14 February 2017 (PST)


== cooperative research ==
==A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software.==
As per subject heading, I have been getting intermittent glitches here on WikiIndex displaying the above error message.  If anyone else experiences the same, can you please log it here, thanks.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 05:51, 25 April 2017 (PDT)


Is http://cooperativeresearch.org/ a wiki ?
==Mass creation of [[user page]]s for accounts unused - why?==
I have discovered a huge mass creation of otherwise absent [[user page]]s. They are usually totally devoid of content, and were clearly NOT created by their respective user.  So what is their purpose?  The long established wiki convention is that only the user themselves create their own user page.  The other long established wiki convention is that blank pages should be [[red link]]s.


:It seems like it, but I'd ask them just to make sure.
Can someone point me to the consensus of where this drastic change was agreed upon please?  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 10:38, 10 May 2017 (PDT)
:I don't think that such a consensus exists, at least from what I can tell. However, I would {{oppose}} these pages being nuked. I personally like created blank user pages for inactive users rather than dozens of redlinks in the user list. Just looks better in terms of interface IMHO. -- [[User:Amanda|<span style="color:white;background-color:#8A2DB8"><b>Amanda</b></span>]] <small>[[User talk:Amanda|(talk)]]</small> 13:32, 24 May 2017 (PDT)
::If no [[consensus]] existed, the action should not have been carried out!  WikiIndex is about documenting wikis, the software which makes a wiki, the companies who create and host wikis, and the people who are <u>significant</u> within the wiki-world.  We categorically do <u>not</u> create user pages for every prospective spammer who registers a user account here, who then makes zero edits (because their intended spam is blocked by our abuse filters).  This has to stop.  By all means, {{Template|welcome}} them on their [[talk page]] once they have made a few constructive edits - once they have engaged in our community here on WikiIndex.
::It has been stated many times previously -- WikiIndex is not <u>[[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]]</u>, and to clarify further, WikiIndex is not [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]] either.  We do not have the 1,500 sysops that they have on the [[English Wikipedia]]!  And I guess Wikia has sysops and other staff which run into four figures.  WikiIndex is lucky if it can count on TWO sysops on 'duty' -- much of the time, there no sysops online at WikiIndex.  We quite simply do not have the workforce here to fix such major, unwanted changes. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 16:59, 24 May 2017 (PDT)


==RPG Wiki?==
==AbuseFilters with redundant actions==
Does anyone know a Wiki for amature role playing games (like on Yahoo Groups and web forums and such)?  I can't seem to find one.
There are several abuse filters configured on this project that are currently enabled with redundant actions (there could be more deleted/disabled ones, I didn't check). Out of the ones that are enabled, filter 3 has both "disallow" and "block autopromote" enabled. The disallow is redundant, as block autopromote also disallows the edit. Filters 6 and 8 are set to "disallow" and "tag". The tag in this case is redundant, since the disallow would be processed first a tag would never be added. Filters 19, 21, 26, and 28 have both "disallow" and "block" enabled. Disallow is redundant since block also disallows. This isn't anything urgent, but removing redundant actions could clean up the abuse filter list display a little bit (i.e. make the table of filters take less room on the page). -- [[User:Amanda|<span style="color:white;background-color:#8A2DB8"><b>Amanda</b></span>]] <small>[[User talk:Amanda|(talk)]]</small> 13:21, 24 May 2017 (PDT)
--[[User:24.172.195.239|24.172.195.239]] 11:57, 24 January 2007 (PST)
:Why is there a need to trim down the [[Abuse Filter]] log?  Anyway, I am working through your concerns, as follows:
:Filter3 has tested ok, and not returned any errors (nor any hits!).  Filter3 is an extremely robust anti-spam filter, which should be hidden.  How are you able to view it?
:Filter6 tests ok.  The tag warning adds a custom message to the bottom of the existing MW Abuse filter warning message.  Users can over-ride this filter, hence when they trigger the warning message.  This filter could be triggered accidentally by anyone - even your cat walking across your keyboard!
:Filter8 similar to 6.


Yes.
:Looking at these three, they have been developed, tested, and refined by the geeks at [[MediaWiki.org]].  I'm not too comfortable about undoing their work. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 17:54, 24 May 2017 (PDT)
There is an entire [[:Category:Role-playing]] of wiki, such as [[RPG]] and others.
::I wasn't able to view them. The consequences thar occur when the filter is hit are publicly visible at [[Special:AbuseFilter]], regardless of privacy. -- [[User:Amanda|<span style="color:white;background-color:#8A2DB8"><b>Amanda</b></span>]] <small>[[User talk:Amanda|(talk)]]</small> 04:56, 25 May 2017 (PDT)


== the other wiki index ==
==Gibberish accounts==
Would it be possible to suppress the usernames and/or delete the twenty or so usernames that are just long strings of 0's, 1's, or other numbers? I've noticed the same types of accounts in the ShoutWiki global users list and they all appear to be one or two spambots just making a mess. Suppression of the usernames via Oversight is probably easier, but deleting the accounts altogether would work too. (the latter requires a db change without {{Mw|Extension:UserMerge|UserMerge}}.) -- [[User:Amanda|<span style="color:white;background-color:#8A2DB8"><b>Amanda</b></span>]] <small>[[User talk:Amanda|(talk)]]</small> 14:07, 24 May 2017 (PDT)


You can see how easy it would be for people intending to type one of these to accidentally type the other:
==time zone - change to UTC==
* http://wikindex.com/
Being as WikiIndex is a multilingual, and therefore multinational wiki, is there any reason why PST is enforced upon all of us?  I am aware of manually overriding timezone in [[Special:Preferences|user preferences]], but it doesn't want to work for me, and I don't see any evidence that manual override works for others.  Can I therefore suggest we change our default time to UTC?  Comments of support or not please.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 07:09, 6 December 2017 (PST)
* http://wikiindex.com/
:For me the setting to my time zone has worked without problem. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 07:12, 6 December 2017 (PST)
*'''Agree''' I am all for standardizing and internationalizing this site. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 11:32, 6 December 2017 (PST)


Now I'm sure the first thing that comes to your mind is that we need to launch some sort of "defensive counter-attack" responding their "attack on our identity".
::Manor - what timezone suffix is displaying for you on this page?  For me - even though I have set my user prefs to London, talk pages are still displayed as PST.  Don't forget that many 'functions' on this wiki are broken!  :-(  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 15:30, 7 December 2017 (PST)
Naturally that involves high-powered ...
:::Obviously, the personal setting regarding time zone is to set time in the output of lists like RC so that it fits Your local time. It would be quite a hotchpotch if on talk pages every one would sign with their individual time zone. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 15:55, 7 December 2017 (PST)


Or, I suppose, we could Do the Right Thing. Promote [[wiki:WikiPeace]].
:::Regarding the time zone to be used for general purpose I think it is best to use the time of the actual server of the wiki. Every wiki has its actual location, the server. To deviate from server time should be justified by a specific reason like when the actual server is in USA but the group using the (German language) wiki would be in Germany. But this wiki is founded by Americans and hosted in USA. I think it's perfectly OK to let this be reflected by using some American time zone for general purposes. BTW isn't the spelling time zone in two words? [[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 15:55, 7 December 2017 (PST)


So, what specifically is the Right Thing to do?
::::Wikipedia use UTC, and their servers are in the US, same for Wikia.  UTC is about reaching out, being global, not being centric to one particular country.


--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 11:02, 27 June 2007 (EDT)
::::'time zone' is one word in American English, but two separate words in British and Commonwealth English.  There are many quirks between American and British English - gotta love what our US friends call a 'bumbag'!! [https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/usage/british-and-american-terms]  :-O  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 16:57, 7 December 2017 (PST)


::Hi.  I just discovered wikiindex.org-- I am the creator of wikindex.com, and obviously it looks like we had similar ideas. This site has gone the route of having a wiki page for each wiki out there, while we merely spider the statistics. I thought of doing what this site has, but opted for the more simple 'one-page-of-just-statistics' thing.  I don't think we 'compete' really-- neither of us are going to make big dollars here. I would hope that we could cooperate and coexist. Thanks --[[User:Davejenk1ns|Davejenk1ns]] 10:19, 10 July 2007 (EDT)
:::::Danish and German Wikipedia use CEST & CET, Arabic uses EET. UTC is accidentally the same time as England. So the English Wikipedia is England centric ;-) I don't know where the servers for German Wikipedia stand, but I guess in Germany. Tell me if you got specific information about that which are different. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 18:05, 7 December 2017 (PST)


[[DavidCary]], I am going to call and talk to Dave Jenkins soon, reminds me that it would be great to talk to you too!  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
::::::Do you really think that the different language editions of Wikipedia are hosted all over the world? As tho there are servers in Lichtenstein, Austria, etc. for German speakers and then some in Peru and Equatorial Guinea for Hispanics...? No, they are all in the United States. For a long time, Florida but I believe Virginia now. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 19:48, 7 December 2017 (PST)


== spot of vandalism. over to you ==
:::::::IT is not a belief system. [https://www.Wikimedia.de/wiki/Deutschland_ist_für_Wikipedia_sehr_wichtg._Lesen_Sie_weiter_und_erfahren_Sie_warum! "Wir betreiben eigene Server"]. Since the content of the German language version of Wikipedia is mostly read and written from users located in Germany and surrounding German speaking regions, it is reasonable, not to send the data back and forth to Florida. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 00:41, 8 December 2017 (PST)


There was some vandalism which I reverted (I didn't look through all the recent changes, so there might be some I missed). I'm heading out for a day or so, so hope others will be on lookout for vandalism. --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 19:34, 27 June 2007 (EDT)
:::::::See the page about the {{Wikitech|Esams cluster}} in Amsterdam. There is another cluster in Singapore. Maybe Your point of view is a bit American centrically? --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 00:54, 8 December 2017 (PST)


== no logo ==
::::::::Of course there are some back-up servers across the world--the goal is to spread the encyclopedia. But they don't host all of the content for different language editions in the places around the world where they speak it. Do you think that the servers for the Portuguese edition are in Brazil and Mozambique and Portugal and Macau? It's one of the most absurd things I've ever read. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 10:28, 8 December 2017 (PST)


Some pages on a wiki currently have "no" logo specified.
<reset indent>
(Perhaps because that wiki doesn't have a logo yet).
However, today all those pages (incorrectly) show a "logo" that says "nadimo wiki".
What's the best way to revert to displaying the generic "no logo specified" message when no logo has been specified?
(And only the page about the nadimo wiki displays the "nadimo wiki" logo?)
--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 18:06, 30 June 2007 (EDT)


Hi David, looks like the problem got fixed! I didn't see it and I didn't see it get fixed :-)  I love wiki!!! [[MarkDilley]]
Manor - get your facts correct, UTC is <u>not</u> the timezone for England - GMT and BST are the correct zones for the UK (which consists of four constituent countries) ''and'' the Republic of Ireland. Requesting UTC has nothing to do with trying to somehow 'claim' centricity in favour of the UK.  UTC is merely a 'Universal' timezone which is used around the world - for a vast array of industries - aviation, shipping, military, meteorology, communications, satellite technology (the US-owned and operated Global Positioning System [[:Category:GPS|GPS]] uses UTC), and international IT infrastructure all work from UTC.


== Wikimania ==
As for server location - that is a complete red herring.  As you have discovered, Wikimedia Foundation have central servers located in the US, but they also have relay and redundancy servers in Europe and Asia - and they will ALL use UTC.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 09:47, 8 December 2017 (PST)


I'm lucky enough to be in Taiwan for Wikimania 2007. If any other WikiIndexers are around, hopefully we can run into each other. I don't have a mobile that works here, but leave a message at my [[User talk:Singkong2005|Appropedia user page]] if you're around. (Note I usually go by the username Chriswaterguy... the Singkong2005 is an old name which I haven't changed here yet). --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 04:40, 30 July 2007 (EDT)
:Speaking of red herrings, UTC, GMT and WET are all the same time: UTC +0 ;-) --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 10:32, 8 December 2017 (PST)
::Once again, Manor, you are wrong. UTC is an international timezone, GMT is not - it's a local timezone. UTC is a fixed constant year-round timezone, GMT is a transient half-yearly timezone.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 05:40, 10 December 2017 (PST)


== "Society Gardens" for wikis focused on the more serious side of life. ==
'''Cosmetic''': I do not really care if You change the time zone of this wiki. Just do not delude Yourself about its importance. Changing the time zone here will go unnoticed by 99.999 999 % of wikisphere. Topics of real importance are mentioned here: [[WikiIndex:Site statistics information]] [[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 10:50, 8 December 2017 (PST)


I like the idea of [[Wikia:Society Gardens|Wikia's Society Gardens]] which:
::Who mentioned anything about "my importance"?  You are a deluded fantasist!  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 05:40, 10 December 2017 (PST)
* promotes and celebrates Wikia focused on the more serious side of life
* values longevity
* explores opportunities for collaboration


However, I think this would work much better on WikiIndex, where we're not restricted to Wikia sites. What should we call it? (Society Gardens would be just copying, and perhaps there's something more suitable.)  
:::You can insult me, because You are the one with the admin buttons. If I had called You names like that You would have blocked me. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 05:54, 10 December 2017 (PST)


Note the talk page, though - inappropriate wikis have been added, though it's been handled well and no conflict has arisen. It will be good to have clear criteria for inclusion and allow editors to remove obviously inappropriate ones without a lengthy process. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins a.k.a. Chriswaterguy]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 04:50, 30 July 2007 (EDT)
==Logos of wikimedia wikis missing==
I saw that the logos of the entries of wikipedia, wiktionary and so on are missing. What happens? --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 16:00, 7 December 2017 (PST)
:Can you please show some examples?  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 05:41, 10 December 2017 (PST)


Interesting. Thank you for pointing it out.
==Permanent block of Manorainjan==
Perhaps the WikiIndex version of it could be called something like "Wiki of the Long Now"?
What are you waiting for? He seems not to be learning his lessons and is continuing his rude behaviour. He should really be blocked - he caused problems to many users. --[[Special:Contributions/67.207.90.236|67.207.90.236]] 10:27, 11 December 2017 (PST)
(Alluding to the [[Wikipedia:Long Now Foundation]] and the [[wiki:WikiNow]] ).
:The problem is that his edits are helpful as well as off-putting. This would be simpler if he were ''only'' a troll or engaged in something which is clear vandalism but as it stands, he is just intermittently obnoxious and when that spills over into an actual confrontation, it requires intervention. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 10:48, 11 December 2017 (PST)
--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 23:21, 7 August 2007 (EDT)
::Well, then you can warn him with a temporary block... --[[Special:Contributions/104.236.168.56|104.236.168.56]] 10:57, 11 December 2017 (PST)
:::He has been blocked before. Do you have in mind some particular incident that demands blocking him now? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 11:11, 11 December 2017 (PST)
::::[http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex_talk:Community_portal&diff=next&oldid=201243 Here] - the edit summary is an attack to Hoof Hearted ("''go ahead, make Your seconds ;-)''") --[[Special:Contributions/107.191.56.63|107.191.56.63]] 12:24, 11 December 2017 (PST)
:::::This is a perfect example of him being an ass--even somewhat hostile--but I really don't think it warrants a permanent block. At some point, enough of that with nothing constructive would definitely warrant that person being blocked but I just don't think this is enough. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 15:08, 11 December 2017 (PST)
::::::[http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Ray_King&curid=4230&diff=201359&oldid=201358 Here] - editing other users' talk pages and intruding into other people's business. He changed a title to a subtitle without giving a proper reason. --[[Special:Contributions/192.241.201.193|192.241.201.193]] 11:20, 14 December 2017 (PST)
:::::::Dang, the way Manor just barged in and changed the formatting like that, shoving his two bytes where they weren't invited and certainly don't belong, shows we're dealing with a real Genghis Khan who doesn't mind invading everywhere and everything he possibly can. Somebody do something, the guy's out of control! If you let him keep conquering one user talk page after another like this, eventually it'll become too late to oppose him as he will have become so powerful as to be ... '''UNSTOPPABLE'''. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 14:32, 14 December 2017 (PST)
::::::::If adding two '''=''' to a conversation makes me 'Genghis Khan', than maybe I should add six = next time, in order to become 'Master of the Universe' ;-) [[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 14:41, 14 December 2017 (PST)
::::::::And what about [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User:Manorainjan/sandbox&curid=43431&diff=201366&oldid=199829 this]? It is abuse and defamatory content. Accusing users of being sockpuppets. --[[Special:Contributions/138.197.192.137|138.197.192.137]] 14:39, 14 December 2017 (PST)
:::::::::Manor, can't you see how intimidated people are by your behavior, to the point that they're afraid to even register an account on this wiki before participating in ban discussions concerning you? This #MeToo movement is really gaining steam; now we have not one, not two, not three, nor four, but '''FIVE''' separate IP address accusers coming forward to report your wiki-assaults. That many anons can't be lying; you must have done '''SOMETHING'''. Confess now, and clear your conscience while there's still time. Take responsibility and show contrition, and maybe there will be lenience. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 15:02, 14 December 2017 (PST)
::::::::::You may be right in the assumption that those IP-edits are done by somebody who has or had an account here. But all conclusions You are drawing from there I disagree with. To discuss sockpuppetry and cowardice is not my business. I leave all this slandering to others. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 15:09, 14 December 2017 (PST)
::::That's just a minor annoyance at most and somewhat helpful at best. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 16:30, 14 December 2017 (PST)
:::::[http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User:Manorainjan/sandbox&curid=43431&diff=201429&oldid=201407 I don't think Manorainjan deserves a ban. And You were all so focused in this conversation that You didn't realise that a vandal returned here with a sockpuppet. Manorainjan, with Your help, he confessed everything ;-)] --[[Special:Contributions/104.236.168.56|104.236.168.56]] 06:56, 15 December 2017 (PST)


== ComicBookDB? ==
==Checkuser request==
I request a [[check user]] on [[User:Usa11|Usa11]], a suspect sockpuppet of HAL-9000. --[[Special:Contributions/45.76.123.109|45.76.123.109]] 11:58, 15 December 2017 (PST)
:That user hasn't edited. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 17:53, 15 December 2017 (PST)
::As of 27 December 2017, {{u|Usa11}} still has not made any edits.  Their [[IP address]] originates from Russia, and that is all I am prepare to divulge.  [[Special:Contributions/45.76.123.109|45.76.123.109]] – do you have any specific information which demonstrates sock activity?  Best, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 23:28, 26 December 2017 (PST)


Is http://www.comicbookdb.com considered a wiki? (Comic info editable by anyone with an account, but system structure only editable by admins) --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 12:28, 7 August 2007 (EDT)
==Fix WikiIndex's copyright footer==
:Looks like a very nicely set up Content Management System, but not a wiki in my mind. --[[User:Tiberius|Tiberius]] 14:57, 20 November 2007 (EST)
Go, and scroll down, ''right now''. You'll see this:


== Wiki City Rome ==
:{{int:copyright|<span class=plainlinks>[https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ <nowiki>[[:Category:Wiki Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike|Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike 3.0]]. Logos are displayed here as '[[WikiIndex:Fair use|fair use]]', with copyrights retained by their owners.</nowiki>]</span>}}


[http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2007/wikicity-0830.html "'Wiki City Rome' to draw a map like no other"] by Greg Frost and Patti Richards 2007
While it does work on the copyright warning (the warning that shows up when you're editing below either "☐ Watch this page" or "☑️ Watch this page"):


It sounds interesting -- put a little yellow dot on a big screen, showing the location of every cell phone in the city in real time.
:{{int:copyrightwarning|[[WikiIndex:Copyrights]]|[[:Category:Wiki Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike|Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike 3.0]]. Logos are displayed here as '[[WikiIndex:Fair use|fair use]]', with copyrights retained by their owners.}}
But what is the connection to "wiki"?
--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 21:56, 5 September 2007 (EDT)
: '' looks interesting, but I agree with you David... not seeing the wiki... ~~ [[MarkDilley]]''


== Custom Wiki engines ==
Wiki markup doesn't work on the footer though, thus, it results in broken markup and looks ugly. To fix this, I propose the changes to two pages and two variables I can't edit:


I just found a wiki were they claim to use a custom engine, which has no name and has not been released as such. Should there be a Custom category under Wiki Engines? [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 13:16, 9 September 2007 (EDT)
(At the top is what I assume to be the original, and at the right is what I think would look better)
::That sounds like a good plan [[User:John Stanton|John]] 23:09, 11 September 2007 (EDT)


== pin wiki? ==
On <code>LocalSettings.php</code>:<br/><source lang="php">
$wgRightsText = "[[:Category:Wiki Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike|Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike 3.0]]. Logos are displayed here as '[[WikiIndex:Fair use|fair use]]', with copyrights retained by their owners.";
$wgRightsText = "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License";
</source>


There a wiki about pins? (The kind of pins with words and/or images on them. Examples: [http://zinewiki.com/index.php?title=One_Inch_Buttons One Inch Buttons], Campaign buttons and Award pins) --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 21:26, 13 December 2007 (EST)
(To the left is the original, to the right is what the code I'd like to be put on the pages)


== Non wiki pages - used as their wiki ==
{|class=wikitable style="margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto; width:95%"
|-
!colspan=2|[[MediaWiki:Copyright]]
|-
|style=width:50%|<code><nowiki>{{SITENAME}}'s content is available under $1.</nowiki></code>
|style=width:50%|<code><nowiki>{{SITENAME}}'s content is available under the $1. Logos are displayed here as '[[WikiIndex:Fair use|fair use]]', with copyrights retained by their owners.</nowiki></code>
|-
!colspan=2|[[MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning]]
|-
|style=width:50%|<code><nowiki>All contributions to {{SITENAME}} are considered to be released under the $2 (see $1 for details).  Anything you write here may be changed by others, and redistributed.  You are promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource.  '''Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!'''{{clear}}<big>'''This is [[WikiIndex:About#What WikiIndex is not|not]] a free [[wiki]] hosting site – this is an [[:Category:All|index]] of [[WhatIsWiki|wiki]], [[:Category:Wiki people|wiki people]], [[:Category:Wiki engine|wiki software]], [[:Category:Wiki farm|wiki farms]] and [[:Category:Wiki idea|wiki ideas]].<br> Contributions outside of that scope will be treated as test edits and be [[WikiIndex:Deleting pages|removed]].'''</big></nowiki></code>
|style=width:50%|<code><nowiki>All contributions to {{SITENAME}} are considered to be released under the $2 (see $1 for details). Logos are displayed here as '[[WikiIndex:Fair use|fair use]]', with copyrights retained by their owners.  Anything you write here may be changed by others, and redistributed.  You are promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource.  '''Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!'''{{clear}}<big>'''This is [[WikiIndex:About#What WikiIndex is not|not]] a free [[wiki]] hosting site – this is an [[:Category:All|index]] of [[WhatIsWiki|wiki]], [[:Category:Wiki people|wiki people]], [[:Category:Wiki engine|wiki software]], [[:Category:Wiki farm|wiki farms]] and [[:Category:Wiki idea|wiki ideas]].<br> Contributions outside of that scope will be treated as test edits and be [[WikiIndex:Deleting pages|removed]].'''</big></nowiki></code>
|}


Hi Folks, what do people think about pages like [[The face of jam]] - my first instinct is to request they move somewhere else, like [[AboutUs]] or a [[WikiFarm]] - what are other folks ideas? Best, [[MarkDilley]]
For those who don't understand, I just moved the "Logos are fair use, with copyrights for them" thing from the <code>$wgRightsText</code> variable, which [[MediaWiki]] didn't intend to have, to the right place, which is [[MediaWiki:Copyright]].


== DramaWiki URL blocking updates ==
;The results
The copyright notice on the footer would look better:<br/>
(Old one at the top, new one at the bottom)


I decided it might be a good idea to edit a few of the WikiIndex pages with high page counts and change the old size template (without the wikiFactor) to the new size template (with the wikiFactor). I tried to edit [[DramaWiki]] but got the following message:
:WikiIndex's content is available under <span class=plainlinks>[https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ <nowiki>[[:Category:Wiki Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike|Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike 3.0]]. Logos are displayed here as '[[WikiIndex:Fair use|fair use]]', with copyrights retained by their owners.</nowiki>]</span>.
:WikiIndex's content is available under the <span class=plainlinks>[https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License]</span>. Logos are displayed here as '[[WikiIndex:Fair use|fair use]]', with copyrights retained by their owners.


:'''Spam protection filter'''
The copyright warning at <span class=plainlinks>[{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAMEE}}|action=edit}} the editing screen]</span> would look almost exactly the same:
:All contributions to {{SITENAME}} are considered to be released under the [[:Category:Wiki Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike|Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike 3.0]]. Logos are displayed here as '[[WikiIndex:Fair use|fair use]]', with copyrights retained by their owners. (see [[WikiIndex:Copyrights]] for details).  Anything you write here may be changed by others, and redistributed.  You are promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource.  '''Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!'''{{clear}}<big>'''This is [[WikiIndex:About#What WikiIndex is not|not]] a free [[wiki]] hosting site – this is an [[:Category:All|index]] of [[WhatIsWiki|wiki]], [[:Category:Wiki people|wiki people]], [[:Category:Wiki engine|wiki software]], [[:Category:Wiki farm|wiki farms]] and [[:Category:Wiki idea|wiki ideas]].<br> Contributions outside of that scope will be treated as test edits and be [[WikiIndex:Deleting pages|removed]].'''</big>
:All contributions to {{SITENAME}} are considered to be released under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License (see [[WikiIndex:Copyrights]] for details). Logos are displayed here as '[[WikiIndex:Fair use|fair use]]', with copyrights retained by their owners.  Anything you write here may be changed by others, and redistributed.  You are promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource.  '''Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!'''{{clear}}<big>'''This is [[WikiIndex:About#What WikiIndex is not|not]] a free [[wiki]] hosting site – this is an [[:Category:All|index]] of [[WhatIsWiki|wiki]], [[:Category:Wiki people|wiki people]], [[:Category:Wiki engine|wiki software]], [[:Category:Wiki farm|wiki farms]] and [[:Category:Wiki idea|wiki ideas]].<br> Contributions outside of that scope will be treated as test edits and be [[WikiIndex:Deleting pages|removed]].'''</big>


:The page you wanted to save was blocked by the spam filter. This is probably caused by a link to an external site.
;Conclusion
Merry Christmas. And what do you think about it? {{#ifeq:{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}}|December|<span style="color: red;">Merry Christmas from</span>}} [[User:Luis Anton Imperial|Luis]] ([[User talk:Luis Anton Imperial|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Luis Anton Imperial|contribs]] • [[wikipedia:User:Stranger195/Guestbook|guest]][[wikia:c:guestbook:User:AStranger195/Guestbook|book]]) 03:45, 23 December 2017 (PST)


:The following text is what triggered our spam filter: ''I've had to remove this, as it is stopping me post here - it was the base URL of DramaWiki''
::I think it's good. The problem is: who does have backend access on this wiki? --[[User:Usa11|Usa11]] ([[User talk:Usa11|talk]]) 12:39, 23 December 2017 (PST)


:Return to Welcome.
:::Let me know if there's something I can help with [[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small>


Please would an admin sort this out. The best thing would be to pull this wiki URL out of the spam filter, but if you can't permanantly remove this from the spam filter, at least remove it temporarily and edit the page before you put it back. (And if you '''really''' need to put it back, I think you should make the page a protected page and add a message on the talk page, because anyone else who tries to edit it will get dumped onto the Spam protection filter page too.) [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 15:35, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
;Actioned
{{u|Usa11}} — I now have limited backend access, restricted to what is available through the MediaWiki interface. Server-side access needs to be addressed to [[Raymond King]].


== C++ Standard Library Wiki ==
{{U|Luis Anton Imperial|Luis}} — many thanks for your fantastic help.  I have now actioned all three of your suggestions; I would appreciate your feedback.  From my perspective, I have noticed the following:
#The change to <code>LocalSettings.php</code> has been successful in fixing the 'double-double' square brackets problem.
#The change to [[MediaWiki:Copyright]] appears to have been successful
#The change to [[MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning]] is less than successful.  The standard size text (including bold) appears as per your suggested result, however, the two lines of large bold text refuse to display.  I have subsequently removed {{template|clear}}, in the hope that was the cause of the problem, and replaced with a couple of html breaks - but still no joy.  Do you have suggestions?


I tried to add the "C++ Standard Library Wiki" to the WikiIndex.
I shall be archiving the 2017 elements of this talk page, so if there are any new comments or suggestions to this particular section, please start a new section on our current Commnunity portal talk page, and link back to this section in the archived page. If anyone is unsure how to link back to archives, please let me know and I shall gladly create any required links for you. Regards to all.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 09:14, 3 January 2018 (PST)
I seem to be having troubles getting WikiIndex to accept the plus signs, so it's at
[[C plus plus Standard Library Wiki]] for now.
Is there a good way to put it at [[C++ Standard Library Wiki]] ?
--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 09:52, 20 February 2010 (EST)
: No. It depends on the old [[Special:Version|software version of this wiki installation]]. The [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki last stable version is 1.15.1] - the migration is not too easy. [[John Stanton]] is the only one who can do the upgrade. (and, before you ask: No, I'm not experienced with MediaWiki upgrades.) Best regards --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 06:41, 21 February 2010 (EST)


: [[Special:Allpages]] includes "C++ Reference", "C++ Reference wiki", and "C++ Standard Library Wiki", but clicking on those three sends to blank pages (blank pages are "C Reference", "C Reference wiki" and "C Standard Library Wiki" respectively) --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 21:11, 21 November 2010 (PST)
==Spam==
Why is noone deleting all the spam? --[[Special:Contributions/95.195.148.235|95.195.148.235]] 15:22, 29 December 2017 (PST)


== I like the visual wiki ==
:Which SPAM? Care to set a wiki link? --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 15:28, 29 December 2017 (PST)


[[:Category:WikiLogo]]
==Server move 2017==
: I like it too :-) seems that we have some work to do, since we decided to hot-link the wiki logos instead of uploading (and categorizing) them. --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 05:53, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
Until now now data under [[WikiIndex:Server move 2017]].  The popularPages-Extension is not installed. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 16:42, 31 December 2017 (PST)

Latest revision as of 17:47, 29 May 2024

for talk amongst or to sysops / admins and bureaucrats,
please go to: category talk: Active administrators of this wiki

WikiIndex talk: Community portal
archives of older talk pages:

1 (2006), 2 (2007–13), 3 (2014–16), 4 (2017)

NOTE: this 'WikiIndex talk:Community portal/Archive 4' page is an archive of older discussions.

Please place new comments on the
currently active talk page of this archive, thanks!

— * 2017 * —

Happy New Year!

WikiIndex wishlist What would you like to see happen here in 2017? How would you like to see the site change and grow? Koavf (talk) 09:19, 31 December 2016 (PST)

Semantic MediaWiki

Do folks have any ideas on how to show off our Semantic MediaWiki? ~~ MarkDilley

I did not know that we are here to show of. --Manorainjan 07:53, 25 January 2017 (PST)
Showing off What do you have in mind, Mark? From what I've seen, the use of SMW is pretty "under-the-hood" rather than on display as such... Do you want to have tools to query our site like at Wikidata? Koavf (talk) 08:58, 25 January 2017 (PST)

Where are the tools for Semantic wiki here? It has been a while and I have forgotten. Best, MarkDilley25 January 2017

Namespaces Mark, you can find them from Special:AllPages starting here. Namespaces such as "Form" and "Type" (unused) are all SMW namespaces. Koavf (talk) 22:31, 24 January 2017 (PST)

Manorainjan

It's time to stop this once and for all. Said user has a track record of pestering and at times even insulting other users, in fact an admin left for a while because of him. It seems to me like Manor acts as though he's some sort of "mini-admin" most of the time, and frankly I think he needs to be blocked. What do you guys think? --This is MY book, and I'm gonna READ IT!!! 09:44, 25 January 2017 (PST)

Guidelines I have always argued that a large part of the problem is that we don't have many guidelines. I don't like rules generally but if we don't have any kind of documentation to appeal to, someone can always say, "But I didn't know I couldn't do this". (Even if the infraction is pretty obvious social etiquette.) I think that we should be more explicit about what is expected and then when it's transgressed, it's easier to point out how and why there would be some consequence. Koavf (talk) 11:06, 25 January 2017 (PST)
I am a known wiki person, but I will not reveal my name to avoid problems with the aforementioned user. I have had several problems with him and came to the conclusion that he is a stupid provocateur. He should be blocked from the whole internet. --46.166.148.154 10:33, 26 January 2017 (PST)
Says someone who is globally blocked over all WikiMedia-projects ;-) --Manorainjan 12:06, 26 January 2017 (PST)
You know that I am using open proxies (which is blocked on Wikimedia for obvious reasons) to avoid you to come and stalk me under my house. ;)

Manorainjan - do you really think it is appropriate to accuse people of behaving like Nazis - as you did in your edit summary of this edit - http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex_talk:Community_portal&oldid=194882. Frankly, that is truly despicable behaviour, and you, as a German should know better.

As to lack of 'policy' here on WikiIndex - I think this is a red herring. Let us be very clear here. Manor has had multiple, repeated WARNINGS over his conduct and behaviour. When Manor refuses to comply with very specific requests from not only long-term and highly valued editors - and then has the utter arrogance to refuse when told buy Admins and Crats - that, to me, and I would guess the whole of the wikisphere is ABSOLUTE grounds for banning. The fact that he was so belligerently arrogant to effectively force a Crat to step away from WikiIndex - that just shows his fundamental character! And that type of character is NOT helpful in building a wiki community. And since I took my lengthy sabbatical, I have discovered MANY subsequent editors to ask that Manor be blocked for his repeated abusive behaviour.

Quite frankly, if Manor is allowed to continue here on WikiIndex, then WikiIndex will eventually self-destruct. I am again frankly shocked over the very real STAGNATION which WikiIndex has succumbed to since Manors arrival. Sure, there are a few dedicated editors here who try to do their bit - but are overwhelmed by constant fire-fighting caused by Manor. But I have looked at many of arguably the most important entries here on WikiIndex - and I was shocked to find they had NOT been updated for nigh-on THREE YEARS!

In light of the above - and particularly the blatant racist comment by Manor - I will be blocking Manor for a period of 7 days. Manor needs to use these 7 days to honestly consider if he wishes to comply with the views and requests of the remainder of the WikiIndex community. If Manor tries to bypass his 7 day block - I will DOUBLE the duration of his block - and will concurrently double his block for each and every attempt he may use to bypass the block.

To the rest of the WikiIndex community, and especially MarkDilley - I expect you to support my action to block Manor for a short period of time. It would be nice if we put the interests of WikiIndex first, rather than letting someone stay who not only has destroyed the friendly community we once had here, but who has also failed to grasp the fundamental ethos of WikiIndex.

Comments, please.  :-) Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 09:53, 27 January 2017 (PST)

 Support ~~ MarkDilley

 Support I'll be honest, I'm shocked Manor was unblocked the first time Hoof tried to ban him. He is truly pugnacious, as evidenced by the aforementioned racist comment and his post on my talk page. --This is MY book, and I'm gonna READ IT!!! 15:34, 27 January 2017 (PST)

 Support Obviously. And I will definitely support any further action you take on this. Maybe I'm too naive or too much of a nice guy but I've experienced this on another wiki as well where someone makes what are definitely constructive and useful edits (and so is not solely a troll or vandal) but additionally is so consistently rude and off-putting that he has to go. Simply put, wikis are built around communities and if we have to lose one prolific and generally knowledgeable user because he pushes away everyone else through a combination of logical fallacies, abrasiveness, and martyrdom syndrome, then it's clear which one is preferable. I honestly don't want to lose him as an editor nor did I want to lose the valuable contributions of the other person at the other wiki I mentioned but for the well-being of the community even at the risk of a small set-back in the creation of content, it has to happen. I have been too rosy-eyed in the past and I still am--I sincerely hope that Manorainjan just cools off and looks at this objectively to see that his behavior is (willfully) off-putting and that others are not ganging up on him. Too many olive branches and too much pleading--please grow up and just be a decent person. Koavf (talk) 22:49, 27 January 2017 (PST)

 Support --TheTVFan (talk) 00:40, 28 January 2017 (PST)

 Strong support I've had issues with this user while I was editing as an IP. I'll point to just a few out of a whole string of examples. The user refused to allow me to change the Wiki.Wiki article to "inactive" after no wiki requests had been answered for over three months, and, even after I explained my reasoning, did the same thing again. In addition, he also refused to let me blank and request deletion of my own static IP talk page not once, not twice, but three times. He also reverted my edits to the WikiBridge article that classified the wiki "dead" - my reason being that despite technically still existing, a message was left on the Main page saying "This wiki no longer exists" and the supposed replacement site archived in the page history also has been closed. I could probably find more examples, but I think I've made my point. Users like this should not be allowed to contribute to any community-based environment, especially when they don't explain half of their edit reverts! I do agree though that more policy documentation is needed. OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:41, 2 February 2017 (PST)

Give him a warning and see if that suffices. If not, revisit the issue later. He might not play well with others, but he puts in a lot of work on the project. With regard to racist remarks that may or may not have been made, bear in mind that with the election of Donald Trump, the era of political correctness is over. Leucosticte (talk) 22:44, 2 February 2017 (PST)

Comment According to the users above, he has already had multiple warnings and temporary blocks, yet has refused to listen. Also, please keep politics out of community discussions. Many people, myself included, will disagree with your point of view. Thank you. OhNoitsJamie Talk 04:19, 3 February 2017 (PST)
Was he given an official warning, or was it just a bunch of people coming up to him at various times and saying, "I find your behavior objectionable; cut that out" which led to him saying, "Who are YOU to tell me what to do" or "I did nothing wrong" or whatever? I don't recall there being a situation where MarkDilley told him, "Hey, knock it off or I'm gonna block you." Had that happened a long time ago, maybe Sean wouldn't have gone on his hiatus.
Anyway, if someone got offended by a racist remark, that means politics already got injected into the discussion, because racism is very political (what with all the white nationalist movements coming out of the shadows these days). I'm not saying we have any people like that around here, but entryist SJWs have been known to go around the Internet trying to get codes of conduct enacted (formally or informally) banning racist remarks, so that they can censor their opponents. To the extent this is an opinion poll of the users, I'm registering my dissent with norms of political correctness.
Having said that, if someone called me a honky, I'd be offended, but no more than if he called me an idiot or some other insult. Leucosticte (talk) 06:50, 3 February 2017 (PST)
It was an official warning - from a crat, no less - and he was blocked after refusing to listen and then he socked over said block. --This is MY book, and I'm gonna READ IT!!! 08:35, 3 February 2017 (PST)
Official warnings Yes, I have warned him on multiple instances in the time that I have been an admin/bureaucrat/staff member. There isn't a process for "official" warnings but it's also clear that if you're harassing and annoying multiple users over the course of years and driving them away from the project, then something has to give: either you get blocked or everyone else concedes defeat and makes this your personal playground. Not having many official rules is nice in a way but it also ends up being a problem at times. Lacking that, common sense is a decent rule of thumb (which is also imperfect). We also don't have a particular rule about offensive speech and I generally think that's a good thing as well but there is also speech that serves no purpose other than to irritate or harass and the community stands nothing to gain by having someone be provocative without repercussions. Koavf (talk) 08:55, 3 February 2017 (PST)
I consider any warning from a sysop to be an official warning. Leucosticte (talk) 17:57, 3 February 2017 (PST)

Comment I do note that the user being discussed is currently blocked, which I don't think is very fair. Assuming that I am not mistaken, I believe what is being discussed here is an indefinite block or even a permanent ban from WikiIndex. In either case, the user in question should be allowed to defend themselves or otherwise comment before the discussion is closed. If the user makes disruptive comments to the discussion, then they should be blocked. But not before they'd had a chance to defend their actions. Just my personal opinion, but I think that it is important to consider. OhNoitsJamie Talk 09:04, 3 February 2017 (PST)

As other users stated, he has been warned multiple times. When his block expires, he will be able to explain and defend his actions. --TheTVFan (talk) 09:12, 3 February 2017 (PST)
Ban You are mistaken, Jamie--he is blocked for seven days (expiring soon) and I am certainly willing to let him contribute if all he wants to do is contribute. Someone who is simply trolling will be blocked indefinitely, no problem. Someone who has many demonstrably constructive edits but who is also abrasive is a lot trickier and that's why I hope that he can come back and play nice. He's had plenty of opportunities to defend himself which mainly amount to tu quoque fallacies and mind-games ("yeah but you did [x]" or "how can you prove that I intended [y]"). It's inarguable that his behavior is inappropriate and lacking a clear policy, the repeated warnings over the course of years should be sufficient. I sincerely hope that it's onwards and upwards once his block expires if he chooses to return. Koavf (talk) 09:17, 3 February 2017 (PST)

Request for Comments

User:HAL-9000 This user emailed me personally asking for an unblock. I explained in email and via his talk that I will be holding him to extra scrutiny and may have to consult IP logs due to the nature of prior disruption. His unblock was adjusted from "indefinite" to a few days from now to solicit community feedback. I'm a believer in second chances and I remember him being a productive member of the community. Thoughts? Koavf (talk) 13:24, 4 February 2017 (PST)

As I saw from his profile that he made some productive edits,  Support, but the community should keep in mind that I didn't know him before, so I'm not aware of his previous actions. TheTVFan (talk) 13:37, 4 February 2017 (PST)
Also, I received a private e-mail from him asking to remove his personal information on Community Portal. For the admin team: I have removed it, please revert my edit if you think it's not okay. I have unblocked him assuming good faith, but will be monitoring his edits. --TheTVFan (talk) 04:49, 5 February 2017 (PST)

Lift infinite blocks for IP-spammers?

I think that IP-spammers should not be blocked for infinite, because they use proxies or dynamic IPs. I think a 1-year block is enough. Comment with your ideas below :-) --TheTVFan (talk) 04:34, 5 February 2017 (PST)

  •  Support — Indefinitely blocking IP's is never a good thing except in the most serious circumstances, and it is not allowed on WMF unless deemed absolutely necessary (and any indefinitely blocked IP's are subject to review). Regardless of the reason, I'd say 365 days should be the maximum block for any IP address. OhNoitsJamie Talk 09:15, 5 February 2017 (PST)
  •  Support — A long block on an IP is frequently unnecessary as someone is likely to just move on after [x] days/weeks. There are about 700 IPs which are indefinitely blocked and I'm removing them for the ones that are a decade old--very unlikely they will cause any problems. And if they do, we have several active admins here. Koavf (talk) 10:50, 5 February 2017 (PST)
  •  Support — I agree about the one-year maximum. Leucosticte (talk) 20:41, 5 February 2017 (PST)
  •  Support — I fundamentally agree with the one-year maximum block for spammers from a single IP address, but with the added proviso that should the IP user return to spam again after the expiry of their previous block, they will be blocked indefinitely. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 06:45, 6 December 2017 (PST)

Category:Inactive

The Inactive category is deprecated and has been replaced by Dormant. Using the "inactive" entry returns an error message saying that it's not in the list of possible values, even before I deleted it from the wiki status comparison table just now. I would propose removing all entries from the category and updating them with a different status, but the issue is that there are 777 pages in the category. This would take forever to orphan. Advice? OhNoitsJamie Talk 09:51, 6 February 2017 (PST)

Those kind of of edits should be done by a bot. --Manorainjan 10:06, 6 February 2017 (PST)
Botwork I am doing them with AWB and I have tagged my account as a bot at the moment. There is also Category:Pages that use Template:Inactive from Template:Inactive which should be emptied and all instances of Template:Inactive should be converted to Template:Wiki with status=Dormant but in the meantime, this will fix all of the error thrown up by the invalid status. Thanks, Jamie. Koavf (talk) 10:14, 6 February 2017 (PST)
Deprecation It looks like User:MarkDilley had some reservations about deprecating the template. Mark, if you're viewing this, can you explain more? Koavf (talk) 10:29, 6 February 2017 (PST)
It's true that the Inactive category can be considered deprecated, but there wasn't an official community consensus about it. I also agree that the edits should be done with a bot, to avoid obstructing RecentChanges. --TheTVFan (talk) 10:56, 6 February 2017 (PST)
Bot flag I amended my user rights so that it would pass through the bot filter but it evidently didn't work--not sure why. Sorry for clogging up the Recent Changes but it's a done deal now. Koavf (talk) 11:14, 6 February 2017 (PST)
Not a problem. I wanted to remove "Inactive" status from WikiStatus template, as we don't use it anymore, but I see it was alredy done. Good work. :-)--TheTVFan (talk) 11:38, 6 February 2017 (PST)


The change is incomplete. It is not sufficient, to change the status. One has to rework the template intro: "Inactive|" must be replaced by "Wiki/n|", 3 SPACE removed, may be more. --Manorainjan 12:15, 6 February 2017 (PST)

 Support. This should be done, manually or with a bot. --TheTVFan (talk) 12:17, 6 February 2017 (PST)
Change Manorainjan, which template needs to be changed...? Koavf (talk) 12:28, 6 February 2017 (PST)
The change towards inactive caused the logos to be disconnected from the wiki page. Therefore we got loads of orphaned logos. We would see their destination only after this rework. Some logos got deleted in the meantime, because someone thought they are not needed. --Manorainjan 12:20, 6 February 2017 (PST)
Logos Can you give an example of one? I can undelete or re-add as necessary. Koavf (talk) 12:28, 6 February 2017 (PST)

I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that, because HAL has flooded RC with vandal-edits. --Manorainjan 12:35, 6 February 2017 (PST)

He was just blocked. Thank you for warning us about this user. --TheTVFan (talk) 12:39, 6 February 2017 (PST)

User HAL-9000: what about his new edit?

I blocked him because of this vandalism edit. I think we need a strong community support to unblock him. Please reply with  Support or  Oppose.--TheTVFan (talk) 11:45, 6 February 2017 (PST)

 Oppose: seems to be a blanking vandal --TheTVFan (talk) 11:45, 6 February 2017 (PST)
Blanking Page blanking can be unintentional. You've allowed the user the ability to edit his talk page so he can explain himself there. Not sure if you're seeing this, HAL but what happened here? Koavf (talk) 11:51, 6 February 2017 (PST)
I have intentionally done it, to have a response from him. However, I have temporarily unblocked his account to let him answer here. --TheTVFan (talk) 11:52, 6 February 2017 (PST)

I have undone almost all his vandalism. Please see if I forgot some pages, and rollback them. Best, --TheTVFan (talk) 13:10, 6 February 2017 (PST)

 Weak oppose As this does seem to be a vandalism-only account, I would typically oppose an unblock. However, one thing I would like to mention is the possibility of a malicious bot. The page blankings seem to be happening all at once, so I would wonder if either the user is running a bot and is not performing the actions themselves, or, at the worst, their account has been compromised by malicious software. I would recommend a CheckUser to check for spambot IP's before going any further. Depending on the CU results, my opinion may change later. OhNoitsJamie Talk 13:37, 6 February 2017 (PST)

This was to be expected. I did not say anything, because actually everybody had been warned: dif. The claim, that the account had been hacked is old ... who believes such claims? --Manorainjan 14:19, 6 February 2017 (PST)
I don't rule anything out until there is evidence either confirming it or discrediting it. Therefore, I will not identify the claim of a hacked account as false unless CU data or other sufficient evidence prove it to be so (in summary: I believe everything in situations like this until evidence discredits options). OhNoitsJamie Talk 14:59, 6 February 2017 (PST)
 Support Give the benefit of the doubt; if he's a vandal, he'll mess up again soon enough, and you can reblock him. Leucosticte (talk) 15:35, 6 February 2017 (PST)

Check User If the actual person running the account and doing constructive things wants a new account, he can request one. In the meantime, there are long blocks put on IPs associated with this account and an indefinite one for this user. I generally don't like (implicitly) publishing IPs but the user was warned that this would be possible and his IPs have been published here before, so c'est la vie. If his machines are compromised, then he really needs to scrub his hard drives. Koavf (talk) 18:46, 6 February 2017 (PST)

I am TheTVFan. The vandal probably shares my IPs because he is my brother and we live in the same house. Please unblock me as I still want to edit here. 103.10.197.194 06:24, 7 February 2017 (PST)

Language conventions

I noticed that some WMF entires have varying language titles. For example, the French Wikipedia has the word "French" written in English. However, others have the English title redirecting to the title in the respective language (Spanish Wikipedia redirects to Español Wikipedia). I don't think we should have two different styles of language in page titles. Which one is technically correct? I'm fine with either, as long as it's consistent. OhNoitsJamie Talk 07:59, 8 February 2017 (PST)

Agreed Do we need to even break these up by language? In the case of Wikipedia that may be helpful just because of how large that particular project is but these are really all the same wiki, just in different editions. Koavf (talk) 09:07, 8 February 2017 (PST)
I think it's okay to have separate entries, but I just feel that they all need to follow the same naming conventions. We shouldn't have some of them titled in the language of the project they discuss, and then have some others titled in English. What we have with Wikipedia at least is the opposite. OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:00, 8 February 2017 (PST)

Freenode IRC

Hi, I just wanted to make an announcement that I have created a Freenode IRC channel for WikiIndex. The channel is #wiki-index (note the hyphen!) Please feel free to join and hang out. OhNoitsJamie Talk 08:08, 9 February 2017 (PST)

Have you registered the channel? --This is MY book, and I'm gonna READ IT!!! 08:36, 9 February 2017 (PST)
Indeed I have, I'm just not there right now. I'll log on now. I'm not just going to idle in an empty channel. I'll be around if the channel ever gets active. OhNoitsJamie Talk 08:49, 9 February 2017 (PST)
Former channel For several years, we had an IRC channel at irc://irc.freenode.net/wikiindex but it was removed in 2012 by User:Elassint. Koavf (talk) 09:26, 9 February 2017 (PST)

What about the Etherpad? Manorainjan 09:41, 9 February 2017 (PST)

I like IRC better. I saw the former channel and it appears that the Freenode administration locked it due to inactivity. That's why I created the new channel. OhNoitsJamie Talk 09:51, 9 February 2017 (PST)

WikiIndex Twitter account

See here. Does anyone think that it would be useful to publish with this? Possibly highlight entries that here that are particularly interesting or fleshed out? Does anyone have any other ideas about social media platforms that would work well with our site? Koavf (talk) 02:31, 11 February 2017 (PST)

To whom is the account administered by? Of its total of three tweets, two of them are spam! Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 10:18, 10 May 2017 (PDT)
 Agreed This is clearly not an offical Twitter account created by staff, or even if it was, it has clearly been compromised. Seems like an impersonation to me, but either way, it's not a legitimate account (anymore). Therefore, it should not be used for official publications and I'd consider reporting it to Twitter sysadmins for review. I think that they can delete impersonations and ban compromised accounts. -- Amanda (talk) 13:35, 24 May 2017 (PDT)
It is an official account, the "spam" were tweets that were meant for another account at that time, the Twitter mobile app isn't the best at delineating accounts. I have credentials for the account if this community wants to work with Twitter in growing. And as far as staff, there really isn't staff per say. There are people who are sometimes paid to do backend work, at least that was the last thing I knew about the site. Best, MarkDilley
Mark, In which way could a twitter account help WikiIndex growing in quality or quantity? Please outline a scenario. Please share Your vision with us. --Manorainjan 03:08, 30 May 2017 (PDT)

Code of Conduct

We've talked around this several times and for the time being, this is our provisional 'Code of Conduct'. The language may be modified before it's published here and the community may have ways to adapt it but this is the policy as it stands now. If you find users who are transgressing it, please refer them to this document: http://citizencodeofconduct.org/ This shouldn't be particularly surprising info but I'd recommend that everyone take a look at it to familiarize yourself with how it may work for us. Koavf (talk) 15:07, 13 February 2017 (PST)

 Support --This is MY book, and I'm gonna READ IT!!! 10:40, 14 February 2017 (PST)

A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software.

As per subject heading, I have been getting intermittent glitches here on WikiIndex displaying the above error message. If anyone else experiences the same, can you please log it here, thanks. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 05:51, 25 April 2017 (PDT)

Mass creation of user pages for accounts unused - why?

I have discovered a huge mass creation of otherwise absent user pages. They are usually totally devoid of content, and were clearly NOT created by their respective user. So what is their purpose? The long established wiki convention is that only the user themselves create their own user page. The other long established wiki convention is that blank pages should be red links.

Can someone point me to the consensus of where this drastic change was agreed upon please? Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 10:38, 10 May 2017 (PDT)

I don't think that such a consensus exists, at least from what I can tell. However, I would  Oppose these pages being nuked. I personally like created blank user pages for inactive users rather than dozens of redlinks in the user list. Just looks better in terms of interface IMHO. -- Amanda (talk) 13:32, 24 May 2017 (PDT)
If no consensus existed, the action should not have been carried out! WikiIndex is about documenting wikis, the software which makes a wiki, the companies who create and host wikis, and the people who are significant within the wiki-world. We categorically do not create user pages for every prospective spammer who registers a user account here, who then makes zero edits (because their intended spam is blocked by our abuse filters). This has to stop. By all means, {{welcome}} them on their talk page once they have made a few constructive edits - once they have engaged in our community here on WikiIndex.
It has been stated many times previously -- WikiIndex is not Wikipedia, and to clarify further, WikiIndex is not Wikia either. We do not have the 1,500 sysops that they have on the English Wikipedia! And I guess Wikia has sysops and other staff which run into four figures. WikiIndex is lucky if it can count on TWO sysops on 'duty' -- much of the time, there no sysops online at WikiIndex. We quite simply do not have the workforce here to fix such major, unwanted changes. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 16:59, 24 May 2017 (PDT)

AbuseFilters with redundant actions

There are several abuse filters configured on this project that are currently enabled with redundant actions (there could be more deleted/disabled ones, I didn't check). Out of the ones that are enabled, filter 3 has both "disallow" and "block autopromote" enabled. The disallow is redundant, as block autopromote also disallows the edit. Filters 6 and 8 are set to "disallow" and "tag". The tag in this case is redundant, since the disallow would be processed first a tag would never be added. Filters 19, 21, 26, and 28 have both "disallow" and "block" enabled. Disallow is redundant since block also disallows. This isn't anything urgent, but removing redundant actions could clean up the abuse filter list display a little bit (i.e. make the table of filters take less room on the page). -- Amanda (talk) 13:21, 24 May 2017 (PDT)

Why is there a need to trim down the Abuse Filter log? Anyway, I am working through your concerns, as follows:
Filter3 has tested ok, and not returned any errors (nor any hits!). Filter3 is an extremely robust anti-spam filter, which should be hidden. How are you able to view it?
Filter6 tests ok. The tag warning adds a custom message to the bottom of the existing MW Abuse filter warning message. Users can over-ride this filter, hence when they trigger the warning message. This filter could be triggered accidentally by anyone - even your cat walking across your keyboard!
Filter8 similar to 6.
Looking at these three, they have been developed, tested, and refined by the geeks at MediaWiki.org. I'm not too comfortable about undoing their work. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 17:54, 24 May 2017 (PDT)
I wasn't able to view them. The consequences thar occur when the filter is hit are publicly visible at Special:AbuseFilter, regardless of privacy. -- Amanda (talk) 04:56, 25 May 2017 (PDT)

Gibberish accounts

Would it be possible to suppress the usernames and/or delete the twenty or so usernames that are just long strings of 0's, 1's, or other numbers? I've noticed the same types of accounts in the ShoutWiki global users list and they all appear to be one or two spambots just making a mess. Suppression of the usernames via Oversight is probably easier, but deleting the accounts altogether would work too. (the latter requires a db change without UserMerge.) -- Amanda (talk) 14:07, 24 May 2017 (PDT)

time zone - change to UTC

Being as WikiIndex is a multilingual, and therefore multinational wiki, is there any reason why PST is enforced upon all of us? I am aware of manually overriding timezone in user preferences, but it doesn't want to work for me, and I don't see any evidence that manual override works for others. Can I therefore suggest we change our default time to UTC? Comments of support or not please. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 07:09, 6 December 2017 (PST)

For me the setting to my time zone has worked without problem. --Manorainjan 07:12, 6 December 2017 (PST)
  • Agree I am all for standardizing and internationalizing this site. Koavf (talk) 11:32, 6 December 2017 (PST)
Manor - what timezone suffix is displaying for you on this page? For me - even though I have set my user prefs to London, talk pages are still displayed as PST. Don't forget that many 'functions' on this wiki are broken!  :-( Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 15:30, 7 December 2017 (PST)
Obviously, the personal setting regarding time zone is to set time in the output of lists like RC so that it fits Your local time. It would be quite a hotchpotch if on talk pages every one would sign with their individual time zone. --Manorainjan 15:55, 7 December 2017 (PST)
Regarding the time zone to be used for general purpose I think it is best to use the time of the actual server of the wiki. Every wiki has its actual location, the server. To deviate from server time should be justified by a specific reason like when the actual server is in USA but the group using the (German language) wiki would be in Germany. But this wiki is founded by Americans and hosted in USA. I think it's perfectly OK to let this be reflected by using some American time zone for general purposes. BTW isn't the spelling time zone in two words? Manorainjan 15:55, 7 December 2017 (PST)
Wikipedia use UTC, and their servers are in the US, same for Wikia. UTC is about reaching out, being global, not being centric to one particular country.
'time zone' is one word in American English, but two separate words in British and Commonwealth English. There are many quirks between American and British English - gotta love what our US friends call a 'bumbag'!! [1]  :-O Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 16:57, 7 December 2017 (PST)
Danish and German Wikipedia use CEST & CET, Arabic uses EET. UTC is accidentally the same time as England. So the English Wikipedia is England centric ;-) I don't know where the servers for German Wikipedia stand, but I guess in Germany. Tell me if you got specific information about that which are different. --Manorainjan 18:05, 7 December 2017 (PST)
Do you really think that the different language editions of Wikipedia are hosted all over the world? As tho there are servers in Lichtenstein, Austria, etc. for German speakers and then some in Peru and Equatorial Guinea for Hispanics...? No, they are all in the United States. For a long time, Florida but I believe Virginia now. Koavf (talk) 19:48, 7 December 2017 (PST)
IT is not a belief system. "Wir betreiben eigene Server". Since the content of the German language version of Wikipedia is mostly read and written from users located in Germany and surrounding German speaking regions, it is reasonable, not to send the data back and forth to Florida. --Manorainjan 00:41, 8 December 2017 (PST)
See the page about the Esams cluster in Amsterdam. There is another cluster in Singapore. Maybe Your point of view is a bit American centrically? --Manorainjan 00:54, 8 December 2017 (PST)
Of course there are some back-up servers across the world--the goal is to spread the encyclopedia. But they don't host all of the content for different language editions in the places around the world where they speak it. Do you think that the servers for the Portuguese edition are in Brazil and Mozambique and Portugal and Macau? It's one of the most absurd things I've ever read. Koavf (talk) 10:28, 8 December 2017 (PST)

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Manor - get your facts correct, UTC is not the timezone for England - GMT and BST are the correct zones for the UK (which consists of four constituent countries) and the Republic of Ireland. Requesting UTC has nothing to do with trying to somehow 'claim' centricity in favour of the UK. UTC is merely a 'Universal' timezone which is used around the world - for a vast array of industries - aviation, shipping, military, meteorology, communications, satellite technology (the US-owned and operated Global Positioning System GPS uses UTC), and international IT infrastructure all work from UTC.

As for server location - that is a complete red herring. As you have discovered, Wikimedia Foundation have central servers located in the US, but they also have relay and redundancy servers in Europe and Asia - and they will ALL use UTC. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 09:47, 8 December 2017 (PST)

Speaking of red herrings, UTC, GMT and WET are all the same time: UTC +0 ;-) --Manorainjan 10:32, 8 December 2017 (PST)
Once again, Manor, you are wrong. UTC is an international timezone, GMT is not - it's a local timezone. UTC is a fixed constant year-round timezone, GMT is a transient half-yearly timezone. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 05:40, 10 December 2017 (PST)

Cosmetic: I do not really care if You change the time zone of this wiki. Just do not delude Yourself about its importance. Changing the time zone here will go unnoticed by 99.999 999 % of wikisphere. Topics of real importance are mentioned here: WikiIndex:Site statistics information Manorainjan 10:50, 8 December 2017 (PST)

Who mentioned anything about "my importance"? You are a deluded fantasist! Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 05:40, 10 December 2017 (PST)
You can insult me, because You are the one with the admin buttons. If I had called You names like that You would have blocked me. --Manorainjan 05:54, 10 December 2017 (PST)

Logos of wikimedia wikis missing

I saw that the logos of the entries of wikipedia, wiktionary and so on are missing. What happens? --Manorainjan 16:00, 7 December 2017 (PST)

Can you please show some examples? Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 05:41, 10 December 2017 (PST)

Permanent block of Manorainjan

What are you waiting for? He seems not to be learning his lessons and is continuing his rude behaviour. He should really be blocked - he caused problems to many users. --67.207.90.236 10:27, 11 December 2017 (PST)

The problem is that his edits are helpful as well as off-putting. This would be simpler if he were only a troll or engaged in something which is clear vandalism but as it stands, he is just intermittently obnoxious and when that spills over into an actual confrontation, it requires intervention. Koavf (talk) 10:48, 11 December 2017 (PST)
Well, then you can warn him with a temporary block... --104.236.168.56 10:57, 11 December 2017 (PST)
He has been blocked before. Do you have in mind some particular incident that demands blocking him now? Koavf (talk) 11:11, 11 December 2017 (PST)
Here - the edit summary is an attack to Hoof Hearted ("go ahead, make Your seconds ;-)") --107.191.56.63 12:24, 11 December 2017 (PST)
This is a perfect example of him being an ass--even somewhat hostile--but I really don't think it warrants a permanent block. At some point, enough of that with nothing constructive would definitely warrant that person being blocked but I just don't think this is enough. Koavf (talk) 15:08, 11 December 2017 (PST)
Here - editing other users' talk pages and intruding into other people's business. He changed a title to a subtitle without giving a proper reason. --192.241.201.193 11:20, 14 December 2017 (PST)
Dang, the way Manor just barged in and changed the formatting like that, shoving his two bytes where they weren't invited and certainly don't belong, shows we're dealing with a real Genghis Khan who doesn't mind invading everywhere and everything he possibly can. Somebody do something, the guy's out of control! If you let him keep conquering one user talk page after another like this, eventually it'll become too late to oppose him as he will have become so powerful as to be ... UNSTOPPABLE. Leucosticte (talk) 14:32, 14 December 2017 (PST)
If adding two = to a conversation makes me 'Genghis Khan', than maybe I should add six = next time, in order to become 'Master of the Universe' ;-) Manorainjan 14:41, 14 December 2017 (PST)
And what about this? It is abuse and defamatory content. Accusing users of being sockpuppets. --138.197.192.137 14:39, 14 December 2017 (PST)
Manor, can't you see how intimidated people are by your behavior, to the point that they're afraid to even register an account on this wiki before participating in ban discussions concerning you? This #MeToo movement is really gaining steam; now we have not one, not two, not three, nor four, but FIVE separate IP address accusers coming forward to report your wiki-assaults. That many anons can't be lying; you must have done SOMETHING. Confess now, and clear your conscience while there's still time. Take responsibility and show contrition, and maybe there will be lenience. Leucosticte (talk) 15:02, 14 December 2017 (PST)
You may be right in the assumption that those IP-edits are done by somebody who has or had an account here. But all conclusions You are drawing from there I disagree with. To discuss sockpuppetry and cowardice is not my business. I leave all this slandering to others. --Manorainjan 15:09, 14 December 2017 (PST)
That's just a minor annoyance at most and somewhat helpful at best. Koavf (talk) 16:30, 14 December 2017 (PST)
I don't think Manorainjan deserves a ban. And You were all so focused in this conversation that You didn't realise that a vandal returned here with a sockpuppet. Manorainjan, with Your help, he confessed everything ;-) --104.236.168.56 06:56, 15 December 2017 (PST)

Checkuser request

I request a check user on Usa11, a suspect sockpuppet of HAL-9000. --45.76.123.109 11:58, 15 December 2017 (PST)

That user hasn't edited. Koavf (talk) 17:53, 15 December 2017 (PST)
As of 27 December 2017, Usa11 still has not made any edits. Their IP address originates from Russia, and that is all I am prepare to divulge. 45.76.123.109 – do you have any specific information which demonstrates sock activity? Best, Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 23:28, 26 December 2017 (PST)

Fix WikiIndex's copyright footer

Go, and scroll down, right now. You'll see this:

WikiIndex's content is available under the [[:Category:Wiki Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike|Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike 3.0]]. Logos are displayed here as '[[WikiIndex:Fair use|fair use]]', with copyrights retained by their owners.. Logos are displayed here as 'fair use', with copyrights retained by their owners.

While it does work on the copyright warning (the warning that shows up when you're editing below either "☐ Watch this page" or "☑️ Watch this page"):

Please note that all contributions to this WikiIndex wiki are considered to be released under the Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike 3.0. Logos are displayed here as 'fair use', with copyrights retained by their owners. (see WikiIndex:Copyrights for details). Logos are displayed here as 'fair use', with copyrights retained by their owners. Anything you write here may be changed by others, and redistributed. You are promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!

This is not a free wiki hosting site – this is a wiki 'index' of all wiki, wiki people, wiki software, wiki farms, and wiki ideas.
Contributions outside of that scope may be treated as test edits and likely to be removed.

Wiki markup doesn't work on the footer though, thus, it results in broken markup and looks ugly. To fix this, I propose the changes to two pages and two variables I can't edit:

(At the top is what I assume to be the original, and at the right is what I think would look better)

On LocalSettings.php:

$wgRightsText = "[[:Category:Wiki Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike|Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike 3.0]]. Logos are displayed here as '[[WikiIndex:Fair use|fair use]]', with copyrights retained by their owners.";
$wgRightsText = "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License";

(To the left is the original, to the right is what the code I'd like to be put on the pages)

MediaWiki:Copyright
{{SITENAME}}'s content is available under $1. {{SITENAME}}'s content is available under the $1. Logos are displayed here as '[[WikiIndex:Fair use|fair use]]', with copyrights retained by their owners.
MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning
All contributions to {{SITENAME}} are considered to be released under the $2 (see $1 for details). Anything you write here may be changed by others, and redistributed. You are promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. '''Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!'''{{clear}}<big>'''This is [[WikiIndex:About#What WikiIndex is not|not]] a free [[wiki]] hosting site – this is an [[:Category:All|index]] of [[WhatIsWiki|wiki]], [[:Category:Wiki people|wiki people]], [[:Category:Wiki engine|wiki software]], [[:Category:Wiki farm|wiki farms]] and [[:Category:Wiki idea|wiki ideas]].<br> Contributions outside of that scope will be treated as test edits and be [[WikiIndex:Deleting pages|removed]].'''</big> All contributions to {{SITENAME}} are considered to be released under the $2 (see $1 for details). Logos are displayed here as '[[WikiIndex:Fair use|fair use]]', with copyrights retained by their owners. Anything you write here may be changed by others, and redistributed. You are promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. '''Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!'''{{clear}}<big>'''This is [[WikiIndex:About#What WikiIndex is not|not]] a free [[wiki]] hosting site – this is an [[:Category:All|index]] of [[WhatIsWiki|wiki]], [[:Category:Wiki people|wiki people]], [[:Category:Wiki engine|wiki software]], [[:Category:Wiki farm|wiki farms]] and [[:Category:Wiki idea|wiki ideas]].<br> Contributions outside of that scope will be treated as test edits and be [[WikiIndex:Deleting pages|removed]].'''</big>

For those who don't understand, I just moved the "Logos are fair use, with copyrights for them" thing from the $wgRightsText variable, which MediaWiki didn't intend to have, to the right place, which is MediaWiki:Copyright.

The results

The copyright notice on the footer would look better:
(Old one at the top, new one at the bottom)

WikiIndex's content is available under [[:Category:Wiki Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike|Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike 3.0]]. Logos are displayed here as '[[WikiIndex:Fair use|fair use]]', with copyrights retained by their owners..
WikiIndex's content is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License. Logos are displayed here as 'fair use', with copyrights retained by their owners.

The copyright warning at the editing screen would look almost exactly the same:

All contributions to WikiIndex are considered to be released under the Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike 3.0. Logos are displayed here as 'fair use', with copyrights retained by their owners. (see WikiIndex:Copyrights for details). Anything you write here may be changed by others, and redistributed. You are promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!
This is not a free wiki hosting site – this is an index of wiki, wiki people, wiki software, wiki farms and wiki ideas.
Contributions outside of that scope will be treated as test edits and be removed.
All contributions to WikiIndex are considered to be released under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License (see WikiIndex:Copyrights for details). Logos are displayed here as 'fair use', with copyrights retained by their owners. Anything you write here may be changed by others, and redistributed. You are promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!
This is not a free wiki hosting site – this is an index of wiki, wiki people, wiki software, wiki farms and wiki ideas.
Contributions outside of that scope will be treated as test edits and be removed.
Conclusion

Merry Christmas. And what do you think about it? Merry Christmas from Luis (talkcontribsguestbook) 03:45, 23 December 2017 (PST)

I think it's good. The problem is: who does have backend access on this wiki? --Usa11 (talk) 12:39, 23 December 2017 (PST)
Let me know if there's something I can help with Raymond King | talk
Actioned

Usa11 — I now have limited backend access, restricted to what is available through the MediaWiki interface. Server-side access needs to be addressed to Raymond King.

Luis Anton Imperial — many thanks for your fantastic help. I have now actioned all three of your suggestions; I would appreciate your feedback. From my perspective, I have noticed the following:

  1. The change to LocalSettings.php has been successful in fixing the 'double-double' square brackets problem.
  2. The change to MediaWiki:Copyright appears to have been successful
  3. The change to MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning is less than successful. The standard size text (including bold) appears as per your suggested result, however, the two lines of large bold text refuse to display. I have subsequently removed {{clear}}, in the hope that was the cause of the problem, and replaced with a couple of html breaks - but still no joy. Do you have suggestions?

I shall be archiving the 2017 elements of this talk page, so if there are any new comments or suggestions to this particular section, please start a new section on our current Commnunity portal talk page, and link back to this section in the archived page. If anyone is unsure how to link back to archives, please let me know and I shall gladly create any required links for you. Regards to all. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 09:14, 3 January 2018 (PST)

Spam

Why is noone deleting all the spam? --95.195.148.235 15:22, 29 December 2017 (PST)

Which SPAM? Care to set a wiki link? --Manorainjan 15:28, 29 December 2017 (PST)

Server move 2017

Until now now data under WikiIndex:Server move 2017. The popularPages-Extension is not installed. --Manorainjan 16:42, 31 December 2017 (PST)