I'll second that thanks...
...For the welcome hello. Have a nice day!! Clarissa Caldwell 18:55, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
Thanks!
Thanks for adding WikiLens. I'm curious how to found it. Of course, since that was in 2006, you may not remember. Dfrankow 12:17, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
Notification on users talk page only
People's "talk" pages alert them to messages. Their user pages don't. Best wishes! Robin Patterson 00:46, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
Thank you for the tip Robin! - Need to write something up about that function. TalkPagesForWikiPeople - best, mark
Testing Notification for Message on Talk Page
Does it work? did you get the notification? TedErnst 16:35, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
When I first signed up for wikipedia, I was TedErnst, but then somehow couldn't get signed in again using that name so became Tedernst and started editing without realizing what was up. Now I'm attached to it. Then, since this is also mediawiki, I stuck with the strange name. I'll fix it out. Thanks!
And you can welcome Tristan by editing the talk page (not the user page directly), which is considered fine etiquete at mediawikis, as far as I know. TedErnst 16:49, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
- Mark, I'm okay with whatever is going to happen here and don't need it to look any way, so please know that I love you very much and all my suggestions are just that, suggestions. I'm here to help. :-)
- That said, Mediawiki has some really cool features that I think will be useful to use. Notice how MarkDilley and User: MarkDilley are two different pages? One is an article and the other is a user. I believe it'll be cleaner to not have any people in the article namespace, the space that you want to be full of wikis. When you make a comment that you'd like signed, you don't have to link to anything, you can just type 4 tildes, and it'll expand out with the datestamp and a link to your user page. TedErnst 16:34, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
- Ted I do not know how to redirect my page MarkDilley to user:MarkDilley, please do that if you can. I want the simplicity of wiking my name.
- Oh, and I just remembered, media wiki also has a talk page connected with every other page, in every namespace. So if I want to leave a comment for you, I don't leave it on your user page, but on your talk page: User talk: MarkDilley and you'll get a notification (I'm pretty sure) that you have a new message. TedErnst 16:34, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
- An admin can do it. First, an admin has to delete the page "User:MarkDilley" because it was nothing but a redirect. Then any registered user can move "MarkDilley" page to "User:MarkDilley".
So Tristam, I just MarkDilley and it goes to my user name or my article name?
- On wikipedia it's really important to preserve edit histories because of the GPL licence. We don't have that issue here with the CC license, correct? So a cut and paste move isn't a problem here the way it is there? TedErnst
- The purpose of moving pages with the move function is to keep the edit history for attributing the page authors. The licence of WikiIndex also requires to attribute the author properly, so the move function is still important.
Link to yourself automatically using tildas
Just sign your contributions with 4 tildes "~~~~" and you won't need to remember how to link to yourself. TedErnst 17:13, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
- Yea, I just don't like the time date stamp, so I don't do that. It is not in my wiki nature :-)
- If you don't like the time stamp, you can use three tildes instead.
Okay, well, we're going to have to decide the namespace issue. I just noticed that John Stanton has his page in the article space as well. Where can we have that conversation? TedErnst 17:22, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
It is cleaner to have the name of Wiki People have article pages. Thanks for the tild example! MarkDilley
- Mark, you're sounding very dogmatic. Things should be this way because they should be this way. I'm not so sure things are so cut and dried automatically better one way over the other. And if you're not interested in using the features of media wiki, perhaps another engine would be a better choice? TedErnst 00:59, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)
Actualy Ted, it sounds to me as you are the one being dogmatic. We must do this because that is what the wiki software is capable of. I think that individual choice works for me here. I am not forcing anyone else to do it any other way. :-) Hugs back - MarkDilley
- I like the namespaces because of what they give you. They are unique in my experience to media wiki. I like them not because they exist here, but because they are useful. You seem to not like them only because you haven't used them. Or maybe there's some other reason? I don't know because your answers feel so absolutist to me. I'm not trying to run your project. I'm here to help. Believe me, I'll do my best to help this project succeed, however you set it up. I'm just hoping to do it in the way that makes the most sense for those doing most of the work. That might not be me and thus I shouldn't have all that much say. It's just that you might not have experienced some of the features you're poo pooing. No worries. I'll get down to work presently. TedErnst 01:12, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)
I don't think I am poo pooing any ideas. MarkDilley
Category Sorting
[[Category:Wiki People|TedErnst]]
The purpose of this code is not to show up and differently on Tristram's page, it's to sort the name properly on the category page. Otherwise, we'd all end up in the U section, if we're using namespaces. If we're not using namespaces, then we could use that code to sort by last name, if we wanted to.
[[Category:Wiki People|Dilley, Mark]]
Categories at the top?
Why? TedErnst
- It is a standard that ICANN wiki used, that we all liked, and the added bonus is that the categories sort before the template categories, giving the first ones more relevance with a folksonomy.
Okay, Hopefully I won't hate it too much. TedErnst
- You wrote: "also, the standard we are trying to set is categories at the top of the page." They recommend the opposite in Wikipedia because the newbies may get confused when they see odd-looking category descriptions instead of normal text, when they start to edit a page. There used to be problems with search engines, they showed categories before the normal text in their page summaries. However, I don't know if the search engine problem is occuring any more. Tristram Shandy
Personally, I think that is not a problem with this wiki for three reasons:
- The wiki is for other wikis, so one assumes that other contributors are not newbies.
- If we do get a newbie checking out the inside, the data is structured and I think they would be able to figure it out quickly.
- I think categorys in wiki are pretty valuable and exciting things to start to be able to understand, so it is kinda cool to have them smack dab in the front. My 2 cents. :-) MarkDilley
- Why do you want the extra added categories to be listed before the ones in teh box? Shouldn't the ones in the box be the most important? TedErnst 00:58, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)
The categories at the bottom are already redundant once, some may say twice because of the sidebar links. So adding the Folksonomy Categories in the front helps the richness of the site. I like that they are redundant at the bottom, but I think they are less valuable because they are the highlighted ones in the templete. Also, while this is a MediaWiki, it is not Wikipedia. Best, MarkDilley :-)
- I don't understand anything of what you're saying here. Redundant once how? Redundant twice how? What's a Folksonomy Category? How do the sidebar links come into play? And does the wikipedia comment come from my other comment? Of course it's not wikipedia. That's why I wonder why we're using wikimedia engine if it's clear that its features are not what you're looking for in building this project. TedErnst 01:09, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)
Look at the categories in the template box, now look at the categories at the bottom of the page, they are the same. A folksonomy is when people come along and say, hey this is a category art wiki, so they add it into the non structured data area of the wiki page. Test for yourself, add the non structured category data at the top, save, see what is looks like, now move it to the bottom and see how it changes to the back. I think those categorys are good to be redundant from the template in the page, but not really necessary to be in the front.
table of contents
Any time there are 3 or more (I think) headings on a page, the TOC pops up just before the first of them. Often there is introductory text before the first heading, so that ends up before the TOC. You can force NOTOC somehow, and you can also force TOCright, where the text will then wrap around. We'll have to figure those out. TedErnst 01:01, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)
Using __TOC__ will insert the table of contents at the current position instead of the default. __NOTOC__ will turn it off altogether. There is also a code which will turn off the "[edit] section" links.
category thing
John thinks it gets lost on the bottom, so he likes to see it there also. So I only say that if you're going to put extra categories in the "body" area, then put both commands in the same place so people can see what's been done and copy that if they like it that way.
- Ok, I think that is fine, I think as a standard, people will get used to it being next to the category tag at the bottom. MarkDilley
Work in Progress
what exactly is the 'check name' field for? --Ray 23:11, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)
Is the name of the wiki page the same as the name of the wiki, I have found several that aren't
Really? Such as... what?
- I think, for the most part, we have moved many wiki that were in this category to their "proper" namespace. Our policy is to have the WikiIndex page match exactly. (The case of disambiguous pages messes with that, but for now, for those pages that is our best option. ) MarkDilley
Back in January, we had an explict wiki_name field in the structured data. Sometimes this field did not match the WikiIndex PageName for that wiki. To avoid this kind of redundant data-entry, and ensure these fields were always the same, we changed the structured data. It didn't occur to me until Mark just pointed it out that this new scheme breaks down for wikis with ambiguous page names because we usedisambiguation, which means the WikiIndex page name is by-definition not the same as the name of the wiki. We can either ignore this or create a new wiki template for ambiguous pages. Thoughts? TedErnst | talk 12:32, 5 June 2006 (EDT)
The only idea I had for ambiguous pages was to have X number of templates there for each wiki. That doesn't scale very well! Otherwise I was just going to sit on it, until someone comes up with a better idea than yours! ;-) MarkDilley
altorgwiki
mostly bad porn, but worse it's riddled with spam links and the like. i didn't think it added any value and thougth it might offend some. feel free to put it back in if you think otherwise.
- yea i found it, altorgphpwiki. spam porn links... should we remove others that are porn spam links?
redirects for alternate names
Mark,
When someone comes here, they don't know if their intended wiki is already here. So they type the name in the box and if they don't have it exactly the same, it'll say "not found, would you like to start it?" For this reason, I believe we should not delete any redirects from alternative names, because these increase the liklihood that a person will find the wiki they're looking for and therefore not create a new page for it when one already exists. So save yourself some work and stop deleting redirects! :-) Just an opinion, not a decree.
hugs, TedErnst
I think that people will type in their wiki name exactly as it is, if it is not there, then they should add it. I am not so sure that alternate names are important. By the way, I added most of these wiki to SwitchWiki and I think I added the wiki to many of them. So I am comfortable deleting the wrong name. :-) MarkDilley
Will they type Meatball or MeatBall or MeatBallWiki or meetballwiki? I just don't see the benefit of deleting a harmless redirect. It's more work for you to delete, and possibly more work later when someone creates an article that alrready exists. This may be just a huge big in mediawiki that won't let you find a page without having the name exactly right, but it causes amazing problems at wikipedia. I've done it myself, created articles that already existed. The redirects left over once all this is fixed each time means the next person to make the same mistake won't make the same mistake! TedErnst
The problem I see is that this solution, not eliminating redirects, causes redundancy in the alphabetical listing. MarkDilley
Now you've lost me. The redirects shouldn't have any category information and thus shouldn't show up in any lists. That sounds like a bug to me if you are seeing duplicates. Have you asked John about it? Crap. TedErnst
Nope I haven't ask John yet, you are just now bringing up the issue! ;-) I don't think it is a bug because it is base on article pagename, not categories... but alphabetical stuff... unless it is something that needs to populate the page database and in a few hours won't be a problem. I will check a few later to see. MarkDilley
Okay, I'll leave it alone. Perhaps I'm wrong with my assertion "People will re-create pages that will then need to be deleted, over and over again." In fact, I must be wrong. Traffic here will not be that high, and will be primarily, if not exclusively wiki people. I'm overthinking and planning for the newbie. So just ignore me. I'm going to bed! :-) TedErnst
Also Ted, If people create them in the future, then maybe we should do a redirect. But for the launch of this wiki, I want as few redirects as possible. I have however kept a couple that I think are close, similarly to the Meatball scenario you layed out. It is wiki! :-) Best, MarkDilley
WikiSym
I think it would be good to get together at rcc to talk about this project and figure out what we want to say about it at rcc and at WikiSym
Wikified Link
Until we can get a LocalName system here, I think we should standardize external links to other wikis. exp: MeatballWiki:MarkDilley
- isn't there a system of connecting that we could do fairly easily within wiki... I will check MeatballWiki MarkDilley
edit link in box
I figured out a different way to do it. User talk:TedErnst/articlewithtemplatetest uses User:TedErnst/templatetest as it's template. I'm pretty happy with it now. Does it suck? You threw me for a loop there by commenting in the template. I couldn't figure out how you commented on the page without it showing up in the history, but it was just included from the template. Pretty sneaky! TedErnst 15:39, 21 Jan 2006 (EST)
- Yes, my intention was to sneakily weird you out! :-) MarkDilley let me go figure out what you are up to. Are you doing this now? Maybe we can hang and skype while we work? MarkDilley
a question about the faq
WikiIndex:FrequentlyAskedQuestions - what it the purpose of the questions being links? TedErnst 15:55, 21 Jan 2006 (EST)
I see it as a way to build a useful faq. I am imagining someone typing a question in the search box, and hopefully getting a direct hit to their question. MarkDilley
duplicated
Ha, this is funny! Category:FAQ - there's a duplicate there! - my bad - not sure how to fix it - it's your question mark bug
SwitchWiki
I think I want switchwiki.com to point here. Then I want SwitchWiki in red and black, instead of IndexWiki. I think we should capitalize on the name recognition that SwitchWiki has.
Special:Emailuser
Hi Mark. Special:Emailuser is missing from this wiki. You might find it useful to enable it since this is the sort of wiki a lot of people might edit and then not check back for messages for a long time, so emailing them could be the only way of contacting them.
Mark, I think this functionality is only available in MediaWiki version 1.5.x this wiki is still at version 1.4.5. I have not yet upgraded to version 1.5.x because there are issues with servers that run multi wikis (we have about 40 wikis that run on the same server) the issues may just be my own lack of knowledge but I have not yet been able to install a version 1.5.x MediaWiki and have it play well with the other wikis :-). When I can set aside enough time to really explore and solve the issues I'll start the conversion process for all 40 wikis.
InterMapTxt
This is what is on MeatballWiki and other wikis so they can have LocalNames for easy linking between wiki.
Meta:Editing
- MediaWiki editing info: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing
about tags
I totally get what you're saying about the heading that ends the document (folks/tags/categories). This is different from what John implimented in the template to copy for a new wiki. I improved (I thought) his idea by making the template. He had it set up to show up on the page, and thus be redundant, like you've said. I recall asking about this and got an answer I thought made sense, so I improved his idea by cutting down on syntax. Now I totally get what you're saying AND I think we definitely need to document your idea and make sure John and Ray are on board because your idea hasn't been done before, as far as I know. If this conversation has already happened, please point me that way? Thanks! TedErnst 21:26, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)
- All I'm saying this this is a decision that's not been made yet. I found your FAQ page about tags and I commented on it's talk page. Need to get agreement among you, John and Ray about how this is going to work. Then we document the decision made and clean up after ourselves. I can help with that part. TedErnst 21:34, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)
Sure, I can be part of the agreement. I left myself out because your idea excites me and rubs me the wrong way, probably just because it's unfamiliar to me. And since you and John both made steps on this topic in the last few days, I thought maybe it was better for me to let the two of you work out the solution.
One potential problem to consider, at least on talk pages, is the mediawiki feature of the plus sign at the top of the page. This allows someone to add a comment in a new section at the bottom of the page automatically without having to edit the whole page. This new section will be below your footer, unless you get John to hard-code the footer. TedErnst 12:00, 23 Jan 2006 (EST)
Bravo! I think the tag template is a brilliant way to allow people to add a new category to an article easily and have it display on both the article and the category area on the bottom. Mark pointed out to me last night that it might be even better for the template not to automatically bullet the text because that way we could also embed the tag into a paragraph. That makes sense to me because then we could use it that way, or bullet it if we wanted to with an asterisk as usual. I think this also solves the problem of having to make a large heading (folksonomy, tagging, caregories) and have it appear near the bottom of the page. --Ray 12:12, 23 Jan 2006 (EST)
- Ray, when I first made the tag template, it did not have a bullet. John then changed it to include the bullet because he said it was messing up the formatting otherwise. Perhaps we need two templates? tagb and tag, one having the bullet and the other not? TedErnst 12:17, 23 Jan 2006 (EST) Yes, good solution --Ray 15:35, 23 Jan 2006 (EST)
Also, I'm not quite getting what Mark wants from the folks/tag/cat footer. There's already a footer with the categories right below this, labeled "categories." Could that text just be chagned to include folks and tag and be bold? Would that make everyone happy? Then we could use either categories or the tag template (without the bullet) in the body and everything would show up neat and clean? TedErnst 12:17, 23 Jan 2006 (EST)
- I think we're close to being on the same page, when Mark put in the "folks/tag/cat" heading we didn't have the benefit of the tag you created. So as far as i'm concerned, if we have the tag and tagb commands, we don't even need any extra headers/footers. --Ray 15:35, 23 Jan 2006 (EST)
ExpericencedInteractionWithInexperience
Folksonomy/Tags/Categories
nvc communication
Yes, and instead of No, but or Yes, but to help communicate ideas of growing and buidling collectively and collaboratevely
Back channel communication rather than wiki for real time
- I am going to be on irc.freenode.net #wikiindex
- I also am available for IM and possibly voice chat on skype - "MarkDilley" - Best, Mark
- Raymond King
- MSN - [email protected]
- Skype - Rathbone
- and I will get on IRC as much as possible
my new signature
I figured out a way to have my signature not point to my user page and to have it point directly to my talk page. If there's interest, I'll document this. TedErnst | talk 13:54, 24 Jan 2006 (EST)
- Ted that is awesome, could you document it please! Best, MarkDilley
Test it out to see if it's clear? New page for yourself#Step 5 - Create your signature. I also put in a new step 4 for creating redirects. TedErnst | talk 15:37, 24 Jan 2006 (EST)
test, [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley | talk]] --- ??? what am I doing wrong? MarkDilley
[[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley | talk]]
I think that is it, MarkDilley | talk
- Yup, that's it! Excellent!
Except the talk isn't working, frump! :-)
TagCloud
This would be a good page to have for people. http://www.tagcloud.com/ pulling off of the rss feed. nice.
ParkingLot:
- Folksomonmy/Tags/Categories discussion - redundancy is still an issue, but not for thougth now.
Shortcuts
In the search box, type these in to get to a frequently used page quickly.
Recursive Nature of Wiki
MarkDilley is trying to figure out how this recursive nature of wiki will be best utilized. So far this CategoryWiki along with PhpWiki are examples of an idea I am trying to groke.
Go here for a clean page of Wikicities, or rather follow the redirect twice to get back to this page to see what I want to happen, and it should say "Wikis" instead of articles. Best, MarkDilley
- So here's another place where namespaces are useful, or could be. I believe you want everything that's currently in the main namespace to be a wiki, correct? So this page, RecursiveNatureOfWiki, really doesn't belong here. I'm not sure what you're getting at with the concept, but I think it goes in the WikiIndex namespace (WikiIndex: RecursiveNatureOfWiki). Mind if I move it? Or you can. Just use the move link above. TedErnst 16:29, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
Actually I do mind that you move it, because it is what I mean. ;-) The idea is that I want the MediaWiki wiki to be at the top of Category MediaWiki, so that all the other media wikis are below it. does that make sense? John Stanton knows what I am trying to get at, and he is thinking of it from a programmers percpective. John, can you add anything?
- Sure, I won't move it. I don't understand why the pagename and namespace are so important to you. No worries. Here's a wikipedia category for Chicago Transit Authority. There's also an article for Chicago Transit Authority, linked right from the top. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Chicago_Transit_Authority Is this at all related to what you're talking about? TedErnst 13:42, 21 Jan 2006 (EST)
We might need to talk about it, or me show you an example. What I want is Wikicities to be a page name and a category, because it is both. The wiki Wikicities at the top and a category list at the bottom of all the wikis using that engine. MarkDilley
- Interesting idea. A simpler way to accomplish this, not nearly as slick visually but also not requiring any programing would be to have Wikicities be a disambiguation page with two links, one to the Wikicities wiki page and the oter to category wikicities. We could impliment that immediately without bothing John for code. It doesn't give you what you want, but maybe it's in the right direction? TedErnst 15:53, 21 Jan 2006 (EST)
On Namespace of course we want wiki's as the main types of articles, but if there's another article (like this one for example) that's in the main namespace, so long as it doesn't collide with a wiki, it think it's fine because it won't junk up the categories if we don't categorize it to anything. Am I missing something? --Ray 00:01, 23 Jan 2006 (EST)
For future reference, here are links to Template:Wiki Engine and Template:Wiki Engine boilerplate. Just didn't want them to get lost, in case we decide to go back to them. TedErnst | talk 02:59, 11 Mar 2006 (EST)
nested boxes
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Test |
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greetingsThanks everybody for all the efforts on WikiIndex!!!
-- immediate active collaboration
ongoing collaboration |
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Discussion
What do folks think about Front door as an alternate to Community portal.
Recent Changes
Help:Recent changes and point it to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Recent_changes, thus utilizing wikis that are already documented. Do one for tags and other browse functions.
Recursive Nature of Wiki example. Having recent changes be more consisted with the site, i.e. template with a wiki on it? Or have it point to the meta wiki media. or both.
Mission statement for the website
http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?MissionStatement
Starting point suggestions:
Ground Level, The Wiki Way
1 - To build community amoung people who are using wikis to self organize information that is of interest to them.
2 - By helping to build that community, the WikiIndex will become more accurate and more of a WikiNode for other information types.
3 - NonViolentCommunication skills be thought of a standard for this type of communication.
4 - Think about how the ExperiencedInteractionWithInexperience dynamic plays out in real life and online.
5 - The current few months of this wiki development is in brainstorm mode. MarkDilley, Raymond King started off the brainstorming for the wiki, by deciding on a set template for the pages and a vision to get them filled in with a strong data set. Then to start working on processes and the such after that.
6 - All edits are SuggestedEdits. If a dispute occurs, such as an EditWar, people can rely on their creative energies to come up with solutions, for example Versioning.
community building system for wiki
So I have this idea for a Community Page that would be something like WhatILearnedOnWikiToday which is just stories on a wiki page, like a weblog, reverse dated, pile the next one on top. I think it would be a way to share what we learn about, with and from wiki.
I asked my housemate to type in switchwiki into the address bar. WorldWideWiki:SwitchWiki hit first. He then made from the world wide wiki site to the WikiIndex. He sat back and was amazed at the front page, so many choices, I sat back and went, hmmm, does the front page look to complex? wouldn't it be nice to just have a search button in the center like google. but at this site, you can edit your search page if you want..? Interesting idea I had, but the real issue is we just need to think how we want to be presented to people. Anyway, I asked him to pick a site, he chose one that had 'Hard Wiki on it and he went there. After stumbling around a bit he clicked on the photo, remarked postively after visiting the CreativeCommons site. Then asked how to get to the wiki, I said it was easy. He then found it and went to HardWiki and I thought the FrontPage was nice. News on the right, community edited news. (RecentChanges.Info maybe here on the wiki, similar to what CommunityWiki is doing. He found a news article that linked to google video, and then he started to surf it. Like I enjoy surfing wiki.
re: Namespaces
Yes, MediaWiki has them pre-installed. I'm satisfied with our resolutions Namespace Conventions. TedErnst | talk 15:24, 7 Feb 2006 (EST)
movie recommendation
I watched this on my laptop on the plane home from Seattle. http://www.archive.org/details/salt_of_the_earth Totally awesome labor movie from the 50s. Check it out if you haven't already. TedErnst | talk 15:26, 7 Feb 2006 (EST)
list of biggest wiki
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_wikis
and on MeatballWiki
recursive
UseModWiki isn't going to show up in the OpenEdit cat anymore, correct? Doesn't seem right. TedErnst | talk 14:07, 14 Feb 2006 (EST)
WikiProtocal
fyi http://b2b.wikis.com/wc.dll?b2b~WikiProtocol TedErnst | talk 15:36, 18 Feb 2006 (EST)
edit mode
check back in at Category talk:Wiki Edit Mode? Thanks! TedErnst | talk 23:39, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)
collapsing work in progress
yes, that was a good idea --Raymond King | talk 03:34, 23 Feb 2006 (EST)
Versioning
See the idea of Versioning as a way to deal with the phenomenon of competition and ego for our own ideas on the very first page. By creating "unlimited" variants, people may more freely explore and express their ideas to express and thoughts. We could use self organized controls, such as #redirect and ExpiresOn categories to deal with clutter. I really don't think we are going to be overwhelmed with traffic to be able to at least do this for a few months. What would the WikiWay do? MarkDilley
So I have made a couple versions as expamles:
- MarkDilley:VersionTwo to store my front page. I just need to go clean off the wiki people tag.
- MarkDilley:WikiIndex:Community portal
- MarkDilley:WikiIndex - I think I will use a : inbetween like MarkDilley:WikiIndex as a page name for my ideas on the page WikiIndex.
- MarkDilley:MissionStatement
versioning discussion
I was nervous about putting this out here, so I asked JohnAbbe about it and then he missed my irc chat and I could wait to just do it. So he just came back to my question:
- well, it turned out that it was more of an idea than a question. The question is how do we support others ideas and creativity on a wiki?
- my answer is less techie - by listening, and reflecting what we're getting of what someone says/writes
Thanks John! and IRC!
The other nice thing about the ":" in the middle fo the wiki words is that when I type in MarkDilley and hit enter a pages comes up with everything of mine. sweeet!! :-)
Mark,
I'm not getting you. Are you saying that one way to introduce changes that I'm not sure are non-controversial is to make a "temp" page for the purpose, get comments, and then copy/paste that temp page to the real location?
Or am I totally missing it?
TedErnst 13:52, 24 Jan 2006 (EST)
- Nope! You got it. But I think the beauty of it is that people can cull what they like from the page and just go with it. So I, or anyone, can say Here is a idea I had - what do folks think about it. So then it would take another person to go ahead and just do it or comment that it was a good idea. Or to critique, or as you would say, use the Two feet rule and just ignore it. I think it would work. Do you? Best, MarkDilley
Yes, I do think it will work. It's a bit less efficient than just editing the page directly, though it has the huge advantage of being less likely of stepping on people, so it's easier for people to work together (emotionally easier, technically it's a bit harder because of having to look multiple places, although...)
...A suggestion would be to simply use the talk page of the page in question! TedErnst | talk 15:19, 24 Jan 2006 (EST)
- I still like my idea of using the talk page for the page in question. Otherwise, how's anyone going to see your proposed versions? Seems like a lot of extra overhead and I'm not yet seeing that outweighed by the benefits. TedErnst | talk 12:53, 28 Feb 2006 (EST)
I was cleaning up an old page called "Versioning" and placeing it in my talk space. There are many benifits to the idea of "Versioning" but I don't think it needs to be figured out now, infact I don't have the energy to figure it out now! :-) Best, MarkDilley | talk
- Hi! Thanks for the welcome. I got introduced to this by my housemate TedErnst. Dan Korn 23:33, 1 Mar 2006 (EST)
- Found a TedErnst link that I feel is in the ballpark of what I am thinking on this stuff. http://tedernst.com/wp/?p=366
- my idea of "Versioning" is that it is a copy of the article page, but done in a SuggestedEdit format. That wouldn't really work on a talk page, because of all the talking going on
weblog post
move page feature
Mark, you know about that feature, yes? I noticed you cut and pasted info from my spam page to the new opt out page and then marked the spam page for deletion. If you had just moved the spam page to the opt out page there would be an automatic redirect created and no deletion would be necessary. What do you think? TedErnst | talk 17:50, 3 Mar 2006 (EST)
- I didn't think to do that, but should have. MarkDilley | talk
No worries. I find it a very cool feature and just wanted to make sure you knew about it. I really like that anyone can use it, not just admin! And it preserves the edit history, in case anyone cares about that :-) TedErnst | talk 02:00, 4 Mar 2006 (EST)
- Another advantage of the Move feature is that it moves the matching Talk page (if any) - with certain rare exceptions. robinp 16:37, 16 Mar 2006 (EST)
Next WikiIndex banner?
banner - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2006_Call_for_Participation
Cool idea at da'pedia
Re: Deleted Redirects
We talked about this a month or so ago. I'm not a fan of deleting redirects, unless they're defamatory or harmful to the project (like my spam one). I really, really hate the case-sensitivity of Media Wiki and re-directs are one way to make that less of a problem. I humbly request that you save us both some time by not deleting them, or of course, I'm open to more conversation if you like. TedErnst | talk 12:37, 6 Mar 2006 (EST)
- I agree with Ted there. I know they appear in the "all pages" list, but that's not something most people ever need to look at. Redirects definitely avoid the likely duplication of pages by well-meaning people who just haven't searched far enough to find what they are duplicating (and don't know they haven't), or haven't even tried. robinp 16:59, 16 Mar 2006 (EST)
Wikis to Add
Awesome work creating all those pages! This will save a lot of time, not having to create the pages or figure out the name of the wiki. Excellent! TedErnst | talk 12:37, 6 Mar 2006 (EST)
Shock Level 4
http://wikiindex.com/Sl4Wiki TedErnst | talk 16:21, 6 Mar 2006 (EST)
logos
I haven't done much with logos or images of any kind on MediaWiki, but I thought there was a way to upload an image with the same name as a previous image, and it would replace it, just like wiki text. That way, you wouldn't have to change the template in our site with the new name. Did I dream this up? TedErnst | talk 16:36, 6 Mar 2006 (EST)
- I think your are correct that we don't need to change the template for images uploaded with the same name. If you are reffering to the updated logo at Wikicites. The old logo was just named Wikicities, the new one is named WikicitiesLogo. MarkDilley | talk
Ah, I hadn't thought of the fact that we might not be re-naming logos. Cool. Carry on! :-) TedErnst | talk 17:03, 6 Mar 2006 (EST)
how do you track actvitiy on wikis you care about?
I noticed you commented on a new person at wikisym today. How do you track the wikis you care about? I'm using http://www.communitywiki.org/en/RecentChangesPersonalizedTedErnst. TedErnst | talk 17:06, 8 Mar 2006 (EST)
- Hi Ted - mostly Bloglines - http://www.bloglines.com/public/MarkDilley
You seem to have lost your cookie. Anyway, holy shit, you follow a lot of feeds! How much of that do you actually read? TedErnst | talk 23:21, 8 Mar 2006 (EST)
language note
http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php/Anarchopedia:Community_Portal
Trade off between reading and writing
http://www.nooranch.com/synaesmedia/wiki/wiki.cgi?TradeOffBetweenReadingAndWriting
RecentChangesPatrol
excellent! sorry for reverting you - I couldn't figure out what you were doing - now I see it and of course it's much better than it was before - great work! TedErnst | talk 13:31, 10 Mar 2006 (EST)
wikis for review
Do we have a way to mark wikis for review? If not, remind me to create something, will you? In the meantime, take a look at GreenCheese, okay? comment going to both Mark and Ray -- TedErnst | talk 17:21, 10 Mar 2006 (EST)
delete procedure
Please see WikiIndex talk:Deleting pages. Thanks! TedErnst | talk 02:30, 11 Mar 2006 (EST)
RealNames
I know you're busy. No hurry. When you get a chance, could you look in on the RealNames discussion page? Thanks! TedErnst | talk 14:14, 16 Mar 2006 (EST)
good idea
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Beer_parlour - maybe go hang out at the BeachByTheOcean
LocalNames
I think that what you are calling LocalNames is what the MediaWiki software refers to as an interwiki or intermap link. I can, for example, user the WikiPedia:User talk:BlankVerse link on every wiki using the MediaWiki software and that will link to my user page on the English-language Wikipedia. I haven't been able to find where the WikiIndex keeps its interwiki map, but it it must have one for that last link to work. The interwiki map for all of the Wikimedia Foundation projects is at [1] and the Usemod/MeatballWiki map is at [2]. Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InterWiki and http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?InterMap. User:BlankVerse | talk 18:38, 29 Mar 2006 (EST)
- These live in the 'interwiki' table on the MySQL database; there is an extension available for MW1.5+ to allow them to be edited directly from a special:interwiki page.
InterWiki links are different than LocalNames (CommunityWiki:LocalNames)
- True, but I don't see a "try here, and if you don't find it try somewhere else" form of link anywhere in the standard MediaWiki distribution . InterWiki links always point to an explicitly-specified wiki and page name.
You are correct, MediaWiki is not set up for local names.
: MarkDilley: hi! [10:37pm] evanpro: Are you here? [10:37pm] evanpro: I have a strange question for you [10:37pm] evanpro: Well, only slightly strange [10:37pm] evanpro: It's about WikiIndex [10:37pm] MarkDilley: Hello! [10:38pm] evanpro: I was just looking at the good ol' interwiki map on usemod.com [10:38pm] evanpro: and I was thinking, man, this is really out of date [10:38pm] evanpro: I wonder if there's a site that has a comprehensive view on existent wikis... [10:38pm] MarkDilley: right [10:39pm] evanpro: ...that could serve as a focal point for developing a "canonical" (note the quotes) interwiki map [10:39pm] evanpro: ? [10:39pm] evanpro: Which is a coy and leading question [10:39pm] evanpro: Since there is one such site... [10:39pm] evanpro: ...and I've mentioned it already in this chat. [10:39pm] MarkDilley: I asked a question at WikiIndex about hwo interwiki map works with MediaWiki [10:39pm] evanpro: B-) [10:41pm] evanpro: It's a very weird system [10:41pm] evanpro: There's a database table that stores the prefix and URL pattern [10:41pm] MarkDilley: I am not sure about "canonical" [10:43pm] evanpro: Yeah [10:43pm] evanpro: Maybe... I dunno [10:43pm] evanpro: "Frequently used" [10:43pm] evanpro: Like the page on Wikitravel might note that "WikiTravel" is the frequently used IW prefix [10:43pm] evanpro: Hmm [10:43pm] MarkDilley: http://www.wikiindex.com/Category:Vibrant [10:45pm] evanpro: B-) [10:45pm] evanpro: I should probably bring this up on the community portal instead of ambushing you on IRC [10:45pm] evanpro: B-) [10:49pm] de_vogon left the chat room. (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [10:50pm] MarkDilley: I am trying to juggle another convo, sorry :-( [10:50pm] MarkDilley: and I am not sure exactly what you mean, I know what you are saying I think [10:50pm] MarkDilley: I mean, I think I understand the problem [10:51pm] MarkDilley: Please put on the wiki your ideas about how to do this...?
Thanks
Thanks for listing WikiLens. We'd like more users. :)
--Dan
No problem Dan! We would like to facilitate more people to your community!! Please take some time and make your entry better representative of your wiki. :-) MarkDilley
for the how to tread lightly on newbies page
CommmuityWiki:NoSuddenMovements CommunityWiki:NoSuddenMovements
edit war
Mark, obviously neither of us wants to be in an edit war. I haven't looked through all the changes, but I'm writing here about your re-naming of the tourbusstop. Also just as obviously, there's not a clear "rule" about which change "sticks" while we're working out a difference. I moved it from where it was and you (apparently it was you, it was unsigned) objected. I asked why and got no response. Now there's a response there and you went ahead and moved it back. This is a wiki practice issue for me at this point. In essence you reverted me and we can either have the conversation in this reverted state or I can drop the whole thing. Maybe I'm fooling myself thinking this is about something larger than my own pettiness. Part of the the problem is I've been home with the flu today so probably am more senstitive than usual today. Let's talk in a couple of days, okay? peace, TedErnst | talk 23:52, 3 Apr 2006 (EDT)
quantum
From Wikipedia - "A quantum number is any one of a set of numbers used to specify the full quantum state of any system in quantum mechanics. Each quantum number specifies the value of a conserved quantity in the dynamics of the quantum system. Since any quantum system can have one or more quantum numbers, it is a futile job to list all possible quantum numbers."
Hello Mark
Talking to Ted and stopped by to understand this wonderful site a bit more. How wonderful a gift this is. Would love to connect more with you and think about you often. Skype: juliecaldwell
Hugs, Julie Caldwell
names
So when you see 68.73.201.100, does it mean something to you? What about why you see WikiVanTed? Trying to get my mind around how you see things. Wanna do the same with me? TedErnst | talk 18:12, 11 Apr 2006 (EDT)
My inital thoughts: I see an IP address as an anonymous edit, i.e. someone not logged in. When I see WikiVanTed it can be one of two ways to think of it. If I know you, then it is not anonymous. More often than not, I find that psudonyms are not linked to a "real person" and so they are just really anonymous contributors, similar to an IP address. For me, I have been most involved in wikis where there is a strong UseRealName standard. I don't feel connected to wiki that are not mostly real people. I want to create a one stop sign wiki town here at wiki index. Not to mean that I am not as interested in "producing" an encyclopedia of wiki links. It is just that figuring out how to help people in wiki start communicating with each other is most important for me. I like WikiIndex, in my mind we are setting up the place and asking people to come here and set up their wiki, description, tagging, etc. as a front lawn of sorts in this small one stop wiki town. I look forward when there will be metropolis of wiki. - late, rambling, best, MarkDilley
So it wouldn't bother you at all if I never logged in? You don't hold my edits to a different standard than an anon? You know I'm asking because it's all about me! :-) No, actually, what I'm saying is that when I know it's you, when I see your name, even if I disagree with something you're doing, there's an automatic cutting of slack. If I see an IP, I don't know who it is. I'm more likely to simply revert. Someone not invested enough here to sign their work hasn't earned the right to ruffle feathers, I'd say. I don't have any reason to this this person will be back to answer questions I might ask about their actions. Someone with a login has something invested.
And just to be clear, you and I agree on RealNames as the standard. Where we disagree (I think), is on IP vs psuedo. For me, an IP is not a person, it's a machine or an anoyance or a spammer. A psuedo is a person. I'd rather know their name and interact with them that way, but it is a person to me. It's less of a person than someone using their RealName, for sure, but way more of a person to me than is an IP. TedErnst | talk 11:45, 12 Apr 2006 (EDT)
No it would never bother me if you never logged in. I would learn the IPs that you posted from. So we agree on RealNames - but we have a big gap on the Ip vs Psudonym. I feel the opposite, an psudonym is a jokester, someone who I don't think this that seriously, not a person. I feel it is a trap to think of a psudonym as an identity. An IP to me can represent the beautiful anonymity that the wiki can provide. I read IP and psudonym edits in similar light, content. I am not inclinded to revert anything that anyone has done, unless it is obvious spam, because I want them to explore their ideas, however simple they may be, or however I may not understand them yet.
Much of what I have been thinking about in regards to some of our (diffs) is in the BalancingProcessAndProduct realm, if that makes any sense. I am still groking it. Thanks for your thoughtfullness Ted. Best, MarkDilley
Mark, I just had a brainstorm and came here to tell you about it and found your comment. I'll give you my brainstorm first and then see if I have more to add in terms of your comment. My brainstorm has to do with the login procedure. Why do we have a UserName? Shouldn't it just be a Name? If it was a Name, would that not encourage more people to use RealNames? This will require John's help, of course. What do you think? Worth pursuing? TedErnst | talk 16:36, 12 Apr 2006 (EDT)
- That would probably mean forking MediaWiki, which I don't think the GPL lets you do too easily. Though we could just edit the login screen to mention all this. I forget the name of the actual page, but it's somewhere in the MediaWiki: namespace. —User:Sean Fennel@ 20:24, 16 Apr 2006 (EDT)
Sean and Ted, I think that is a great idea Ted! I have asked John to look into changing the title of Article to Wiki because that is basically what it is. I don't understand the problem with making those tweaks Sean, so if you could find a path to your suggestion, that would be fab!
Well, none of our pages are articles...
- They aren't? What about WikiNodes? ... Actually, I'll stop there. I was going to give a whole mess of examples, but there aren't very many others, if any. I concede the point. We don't have articles. But "wiki" doesn't seem right either because we have pages for people and for other stuff, too. TedErnst | talk 17:08, 21 Apr 2006 (EDT)
Maybe none was a bit of an exageration, but I think we can come up with a better header than "Article" - I just threw out "Wiki" because that is the vast bulk of our pages.
- I think editing either MediaWiki:Emailforlost or MediaWiki:Loginprompt would do it. Which one would just depend on where on the login screen you wanted it. —User:Sean Fennel@ 03:50, 23 Apr 2006 (EDT)
Thanks Sean, I will check out that path!
UseMod
Mark, I see you're tidying up the UseModWiki / UseMod issue. I haven't looked at many of your edits, but I'm confused about this one. In fact, forget that, the categories themselves are confused. See this: Category:UseMod which hard redirects to UseModWiki which in turn soft redirects to Category:UseModWiki. Confusing! How should it be laid out? TedErnst | talk 12:03, 14 Apr 2006 (EDT)
Teaked it a little, it is still messy. This is the whole category as wiki thing I am trying to figure out. The categories get messy. Will try to look at it later. Best, MarkDilley
Doesn't seem messy to me anymore. I thought the engine was called UseMod so wondered about your move of wikis to UseModWiki and your move in the other direction as well. I didn't realize you'd cleaned it all up so they're now all UseModWiki and I've gone to the source and see that once again, I'm wrong. :-) Yes, it's true. I'm wrong. The wiki is at usemod.com (not usemodwiki.com) and has a logo that says Use Mod and yet the name of the engine is clearly UseModWiki. Strange but true! I think it's quite fine the way it is. TedErnst | talk 16:17, 14 Apr 2006 (EDT)
re: wikipedia
Thanks, Mark. There's a lot more to do, but perhaps now that it's started, Ray's people will get to it. :-) TedErnst | talk 19:11, 24 Apr 2006 (EDT)
Hey, when are you passing through? TedErnst | talk 19:11, 24 Apr 2006 (EDT)
Regarding Wiki Guitar
I want to make it open edit (no need for an account) but I have been having problems with spam.
I also am having trouble upgrading. I upgraded to 1.6.3 today and got a bunch of SQL errors. The truth is, I don't know much about PHP, Mediawiki, or MYSQL. What I do know a lot about is Guitar and some with HTML and web design.
re: deletion
feel free to undelete it - it was just nonsense, as far as I can tell - plus has nothing to do with searching - no worries if you undelete and try to do something with it - I'll watch you and learn TedErnst | talk 22:42, 9 May 2006 (EDT)
Thanks Mark
Mark:
Thanks for the welcome and updating of my pages.
http://www.wikiindex.com/David_Spencer
http://www.wikiindex.com/ChristianMedia.ca
Wikiindex.com is a very helpful site!
Thanks for the welcome Mark. Michael_Misovec
real names
MediaWiki:Prefs-help-realname (this notice appears on my preferences page) TedErnst | talk 15:21, 13 May 2006 (EDT)
MediaWiki:Prefs-help-userdata (or maybe I'm confusing with this one) TedErnst | talk 15:22, 13 May 2006 (EDT)
check out this page: http://www.wikiindex.com/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup
there are actually 3 fields in mediawiki for names - one is Username and we've renamed that Name. one is Real name and is optional. I'm not sure what it's used for. both of these two are on the page I linked above. The third is nickname and can be seen here: http://www.wikiindex.com/Special:Preferences
Did you chop more than you meant to?
http://www.wikiindex.com/index.php?title=Talk:Wiki_Index&curid=2854&diff=21393&oldid=21387
Robin Patterson 23:55, 15 May 2006 (EDT)
No, maybe not - I think I see them on [Wiki_Index]], so you were probably just belatedly removing them from a temp store while doing something else. Efficiency... Robin Patterson 02:04, 16 May 2006 (EDT)
Wikis for review
Further up the page. Commenting here in case it's useful. One way to see what hasn't been looked at for a while is special:ancientpages. (Hmmmm - interesting to see what's the most ancient at this moment!) Robin Patterson 02:04, 16 May 2006 (EDT)
- Yes, that is funny! MarkDilley
Phone calls
I don't do much telephoning, especially if it's something that requires deliberation. And the only really comfortable time would be weekdays from about 5.30pm NZ time (0530 UTC April to October - ie 12.30am EST?, 0630 in "summer") until about an hour later. But I love email: robinp"at"xtra.co.nz gets me almost instantly when I'm at work and within 24hr if my home PC is working. Robin Patterson 02:04, 16 May 2006 (EDT)
re: Wikipedia
Well, I did have a specific plan. :-)
No worries. I'm not wedded to my plan.
Okay, here's my thinking:
Wikipedia is really important. It's important in English because it's the biggest wiki and it gets the most press. It's important in general because it's changing the way people conceive of the expert/peon split. Given that, it's really important for us to have all Wikipedias represented here. The redlinks shown on all wikipedia pages help others see that there's work to be done. It's an invitation of sorts. (As an aside, I believe this technique is useful for all wikis that have seperate language versions of the same thing. Uncyclopedia or something like that is another one I've already started. WikiMedia has other examples.) Anyway, another reason to do it is to emphasize the connections between these different wikipedias. Other wikis aren't bound the way the wikipedias are. They all have the same mission, just different languages, so tying them together tightly on our site is important. I also really like the category:wikipedia, so even if we go with my template, I'd like to put the category in it.
Any change in your thoughts now that you know there's a reason? peace, TedErnst | talk 08:44, 17 May 2006 (EDT)
wiki engine/wiki farm
Yes, you're right. I was mixed up. And yet, doesn't a wiki farm page that shows up as a category still end up becoming a sub-category? And isn't that one thing we were trying to avoid with wiki engines? Seems like a parallel issue to me. I dunno. TedErnst | talk 14:12, 19 May 2006 (EDT)
Yep, check it out: Category:Multilingual
add template and new wikis
Mark, I see you've added the structured data empty boilerplate to the add template. I think this makes it more difficult to go through category first additional as well as the unknown categories. Could we talk about this? Thanks! TedErnst | talk 18:15, 19 May 2006 (EDT)
- Hey Ted, remove it if it causing you trouble. I personally think, without seeing your references, that it is a better way to search for new wiki to add, then the category first additional, which as you remember, I tried to get rid of! :-) MarkDilley
I don't mind getting rid of first additional (even if I said otherwise before). Can you say more about the benefits of having the structured date with the add template? TedErnst | talk 21:55, 20 May 2006 (EDT)
Well, before John did the add your wiki button on Community Portal, I don't think it mattered. But with people possibly entering their own wiki, the Add Structured Data box seems to be real helpful for them to figure out what to put where. Just a gut feeling, nothing more, seems to make sense to me. (also, since I was just adding that box anyways, when I added new wikis via this button) MarkDilley
- Oh also, seems more natural to look for wiki through the category add wiki, instead of through first/second additional.)
Could we nuke first/second additional right now to simplify this conversation? I'm not going to do it at the moment, but let's just assume it's done.
- Okay, cool. Alright. Let's say I'm a new person and I come here and I see that my wiki isn't here. I use John's add a wiki button, the default brings in the structured data, I fill out the form, and we're done, yes? Cool, so far this has nothing to do with the add template, right? Just trying to make sure we're still on the same page. Okay, so with new person adding one wiki, no need to add template, the person does their own structured data. Cool. Now, scenario #2. You, Ray or I find a new wiki or 10 and don't have time or inclination to actually fill in the structured data. We just put the URL in and the add template and we're done. Someone else looking through categories wikis to add sees these wikis need structured data and tehy add it. Cool, right? On the other hand, if the blank (unknowns) structured data is attached to the add template, you or ray or I adds a URL and project unknowns gets stuck with a bunch of new unknowns. So what am I missing? Help me see the benefits? Thanks! TedErnst | talk 02:20, 22 May 2006 (EDT)
Ok, so I add a new wiki through Johns magic wizard. We are ignoring that category first, and second, though they seem similar to me. The template has the add template. I find that useful for two reasons: 1) it has the StructuredData link on it, I think this may help people while they fill in their page. (much the way we thought category first/second would, and why I pushed for a tag in the form) 2) It adds the page to category wikis to add for folks who are working on those tasks. I am unclear why it is a problem from the view point of category unknown and category first/second. Similar to your questions: what am I missing? Help me see the benefits/problems?
- PErhaps we need to wait until we can speak about this. Text is just too slow and cumbersome. I will try one more time, howeverr. :-) I'm a glutton for punishment. Here's how I saw things before this change:
- category add a wiki had pages with just a url - they needed everything added, structured data, description, everything - wikis were only in this category as a time-saver b/c ray, mark and ted didn't always want to spend the time to put all the structured data in when they found a new wiki
- I think of it more as a process, not only because we didn't want to spend the time on it. MarkDilley
- Sorry, I shouldn't have tried to guess why we didn't fill in the structured data. We each have our own reasons at the time we do it. The reasons don't really matter. What matters is that we do it, and that's not a problem at all, incremental improvements are great! TedErnst | talk 14:02, 22 May 2006 (EDT)
- I think of it more as a process, not only because we didn't want to spend the time on it. MarkDilley
- category unknown engine had pages in it where someone had already put in the structured data and the engine is still unknown - this is a 2nd step
- category unknown edit mode similarly had pages in it where someone had already put in the stuctured data and the edit mode was still unknown for some reason - this is also a 2nd step
- category add a wiki had pages with just a url - they needed everything added, structured data, description, everything - wikis were only in this category as a time-saver b/c ray, mark and ted didn't always want to spend the time to put all the structured data in when they found a new wiki
- I suppose what I'm getting at is that this used to be a 2 step process. Step 1 was putting in the sturctureed data and step 2 was going back to fix any data that was still missing. I get myself in a different frame of mind if I'm just looking for edit modes and don't have to worry about other structured data. I work differently when I'm doing step 1 or step 2. This change that we're discussing seems to have eliminated the 2 step process which makes it harder for me to work in the way I want to work. Is this any clearer? If not, happening tonight? TedErnst | talk 11:29, 22 May 2006 (EDT)
It seems that step 1 needs to be finished before I can grasp what you are saying about the work flow disruption. If the ~47 wikis to add are added, then seeing how it affects step two? I will try to do that today. call tonight seems to be on track, breathing and everything. MarkDilley
- I'm not sure that step 1 will ever be finished for long. We're always going to find new wikis. I can definitely see that having the structured data (empty) and the add template together can be helpful for step 1. I have no disagreement there. Let's talk about it tonight to see if we can find a way to not make step 2 more difficult. Until tonight! :-) TedErnst | talk 14:00, 22 May 2006 (EDT)
Ted, you are a rockstar! MarkDilley
Wiki problems
Wiki Tricks
Hah!!
Ted is ever vigilent with spelling, as well as we all are/try to be. But there is something to leaving mistakes behind for newbies. For example, I purposefully left the spelling error for someone to fix. Ted got it! Maybe there is a use in leaving minor errors laying around? Other wiki bootstrapping ideas? I love wiki. :-)
- I agree that there is no harm in leaving the occasional minor error lying around for newbies to cut their teeth on. Robin Patterson 21:56, 1 June 2006 (EDT)
- I am also interested in ideas for how to bootstrap my wiki. But perhaps such discussion would be more on-topic at MeatballWiki or RecentChangesCamp or [WikiScience]. --DavidCary 22:49, 2 June 2006 (EDT)
- David you are right, RecentChangesCamp should have a conversation about those issues. I think it is on topic here though. MarkDilley
dreamhost
You can earn an affiliate bonus if I sign up: http://dreamhost.com/rewards.html - let me know if you're going to do it - I might switch some stuff to them from godaddy 7.95/month for unlimited domains! wow, awesome! TedErnst | talk 20:47, 24 May 2006 (EDT)
Time zones
What's the UTC equivalent of "10:15pm EST"? Robin Patterson 21:56, 1 June 2006 (EDT)
- I have no idea! :-) MarkDilley
Welcome, recent visitors
See my real page. Robin Patterson 22:12, 1 June 2006 (EDT)
softie!
yes, that's a good thing :-) thanks! TedErnst | talk 22:47, 8 June 2006 (EDT)
Status: Building?
What the heck is that? TedErnst | talk 12:38, 11 June 2006 (EDT)
- It is the folksonomy tag that Mike Hammond gave the wiki. I like it because the wiki isn't really active yet, it is in the process of being built. Maybe there is a better word or words for it, but I really like the idea.
I didn't know it was possible to have folksonomy in the structured data. I learn so much from you! Doesn't it need to now be listed as one of our status categoires? TedErnst | talk 13:39, 11 June 2006 (EDT)
- I can't help to feel you are poking fun at me, surely in a good natured way! It should be listed in the status category once folks settle with it, but I am not sure folks are settling with it, let's put it on the call tonight to have a chat.
Not poking fun. You saw my reaction to "Building". I changed it to active. You changed it back and I am seeing now that that's how things evolve with wiki. We can't, even if we wanted to, control everything and decide in advance how things are going to work. In some ways it's strange that we have structured data at all. So far I think this is the first example of a structured data category being created by someone other than "us." That's pretty cool if we let it happen. Good stuff. And sorry that it felt like I was poking fun. Your radical inclusiveness is somehow not obvious to me, yet it's definitely where I want to go. TedErnst | talk 12:38, 12 June 2006 (EDT)
hahaha
- -)
It's actually fine to revert while I'm in the middle of this b/c I can just get my version out of history to finish it.
THEN, you can revert for real :-)
TedErnst | talk 10:41, 14 June 2006 (EDT)
dreams of wiki-indexing / microformats vs StructuredData ?
Bonjour Mark
Currently a long time I've not been here and not a lot of time to make any french-synchro-translation. I'd be interested to have your opinion on the opportunity/way to bridge some Microformats-wiki with the StructuredData project ? Completely newbie on the subject, but the perspectives seem to be interesting. -- Christophe Ducamp | <small>talk 07:10, 15 June 2006 (EDT)
delete template and discussion
Mark, thanks for the note. I definitely agree with you that short conversations, especially about a potential delete, should be on the page itself, rather than the talk page. My edit was just trying to get you what you were trying to get. Glad I succeeded! :-) TedErnst | talk 13:11, 19 June 2006 (EDT)
- As usual Ted, you succeeded with elegance. Thank you! Mark
Talk:ThisWiki:Copyright
please weigh in - please confirm John's call on consensus or weigh in with whatever other work we still need to do - thanks! TedErnst | talk 16:52, 22 June 2006 (EDT)
Monday meeting
We'll see. I'll try to make at ;east a few of them. —User:Sean Fennel@ 19:20, 1 July 2006 (EDT)
"click" text smaller
I'm not sure it can be done. Do we really need the "click"? TedErnst | talk 01:50, 3 July 2006 (EDT)
- I think that Ray added the first one, I was fine with it.
I don't have anything invested in that word being there or not. I just don't think there's any way to make it smaller, short of using html instead of the section headings (===).
Me neither, I was just hoping to make it smaller! ;-)
Wiki Representatives
Hello, I noticed the convo on the welcome talk page, and would like to help (I'm also the person who suggested becoming a directory of websites, not just wikis :P), oh and the admin of PSConclave_Wiki, and would like to be the representative, and possibly help you set up this representative system. Elliotgoodrich 15:38, 4 July 2006 (EDT)
Thanks
Hi,
I forgot to put a description on my site (wikipaddle), thanks for doing it for me. I hope my site is ok to include on you wiki.
Thanks, George.
subpages to the extreme example
Check this out: http://www.hsalum.com/wiki/Main_Page/Michigan/B/Beverly_Hills/Wylie_E._Groves_High_School/1993/Ernst%2C_Ted
Hi! KirkKitchen here
We use a wiki at work for software development. woo woo woo. I'm in Grand Rapids 4 days a week working.
sorry about that
didn't mean to jump in while you were still working - need to remember to check timestamps! hope all is well - I won't make it tonight - peace, ted
- I didn't mean timestamp by your name/comment; I meant in RC.
Ok, I see now, no worries and sorry for my part in it. Best, Mark
words
I have no intention of challenging your use of the word weblog instead of blog. I am curious why it means so much to you. You're the only one I know that uses the word weblog and at the same time, the choice of that word seems very important to you, to the point of changing when I write blog into weblog. I will use the word weblog here (though I use it nowhere else). No worries. Just curious. hugs, TedErnst | talk 00:42, 2 August 2006 (EDT)
- I tried to comment on your meatball user page, but the spam filter wouldn't let me save. Here's my message: I'm so impatient! And I'm happy to see your message to Sunir. So I'm working on patience. :-) -- TedErnst
Well here it goes, some thoughts on the weblog v blog controversy: To me, I started out wanting to merge wiki and blog, I created WikiBlog over at Meatball Wiki - SunirShah mentioned to me that the word blog was a horrible word and we should not use it (this is from memory, folks). I asked him why he thought that and he wrote down a convincing few lines. I can't find the original words. But it went a little something like this: The word blog is an onomatopoeia, and it sounds gross. By googling for blog is an ugly word I found these examples to use. It sits heavy in the mouth, confuses everyone, and conjures up images of some wasting disease or putrid creature, and it’s just a misshapen lump of a word. I am not a fan of Blog is an ugly word but we're stuck with it., it is a wiki, we can decide ourselves! ;-) - I wish to come to agreement to use weblog instead of blog - we would be being true to the orgin of both. It is said that weblog was pulled apart we blog, some people don't like the word wiki, either. I hope this brings up good questions or other ideas. Best, Mark
- Thanks, Mark. I'll have to take a look at these links from another connection. My work has every one of them blocked. :-( TedErnst | talk 12:58, 8 August 2006 (EDT)
- Mark, these links have some interesting information in terms of choosing a word other than blog. I'm still curious why it matters so much to you. Yes, of course we can choose any words we like. I'm not questioning that at all. I'm just wondering about why it matters so much. Thanks! TedErnst | talk 13:50, 8 August 2006 (EDT)
blog vs. weblog
No problem at all! --Raymond King | talk 12:46, 2 August 2006 (EDT)
crossing my fingers
the mean spam filter doesn't get me!
Chinarut 01:56, 3 August 2006 (EDT)
promoting our wikia
Mark - how do we get our various wikia as promoted on your home page as they hit critical mass? Muppets, World, Psychology and others are pretty cool now! Gil
- Thanks mark - I guess I'm thinking of Wikia as 1500 seperate wikis, not one. Because muppets, Dofus, and Psychology have little to do with each other, we would probably index each seperately. I wanted to make sure that would be "okay". Gil
GPMI Wiki is dead (for now)
Hi, Mark. After over a year without much activity except for my use of it as whip of the SCC, I've taken down the GPMIWiki. If there is demand for a new instance, I'll be happy to help, but there's not much point in having it just hanging out there waiting for spammers to abuse it when nobody is interested in using it for its intended purpose. - David A Spitzley 8/10/06 10:06pm
sub-categories
I thought we decided they were okay, after Ray's presentation about nesting categories? TedErnst | talk 10:56, 15 August 2006 (EDT)
add and need to clean this damned page up
RC patrol?
I didn't know Ray knew how to do it. I've never seen anyone but me do it here. :-) Glad to have you aboard! TedErnst | talk 01:01, 17 August 2006 (EDT)
I think Ray had to learn about it for AboutUs!!! Masisve recent change churn. :-)
questions in edit summary?
How do we answer?
is it ok to keep the external link in the structured data box? what does this mean? TedErnst | talk 01:39, 17 August 2006 (EDT)
idea for signifying that the community is taking care of its page.
We have a badge or something, that says, this site is managed or looked after for by the owner of the wiki being mentioned. This is also applicable for AboutUs.
Also, Ted you are right, I was rushed and asked it in the notes, not a good idea generally.
The point was, do we want to enforece keeping likes to the front page and recent changes to the structured data? Best, Mark
Sitemap
The php script has to be installed by someone with access to the server directory where the wiki resides, so wiki adminship probably isn't enough, I think you have to have ftp access to the server. Dryguy 18:44, 23 August 2006 (EDT)
Great meeting you!
Hi Mark, it was very nice meeting you at the WikiSym konference! I just wanted to let you know that, and thank you again for giving me a short interview, which turned out quite well, in terms of material for the film. You had some key points, and I was happy to see they came across, when I reviewed the material today :-) --Morten Blaabjerg 19:49, 24 August 2006 (EDT)
- I'll be sure to keep you posted! :-) I will also keep a keen eye on what is going on in this space. I also checked out Ray's AboutUs site, which I find pretty interesting to say the least! Best wishes, --Morten Blaabjerg 20:36, 24 August 2006 (EDT)
Open Project Development
(answer to the question on http://projects.wikia.com )
Thank you for asking this question. I mean that 'normal' (or common?) wikis are made to store information. This is not for this (or at least, not only for this): it wants to lead people to activity, or let them organize their activity. This wiki is wiki + activity. --Let's 20:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
(my first language is italian, it's difficult for me to explain it...) --Let's 17:21, 4 September 2006 (EDT)
- Now I got a better definition: "This wiki offers (or wants to offer) the possibility for people to do something in the world, and to collaborate through the web". I hope the grammar and so on is right. It would be great to collaborate! If you create an account I'll put the news template on your talk page, in order to let you see the current events of the wiki. Thank you again --Let's 15:39, 6 September 2006 (EDT)
WikiMaas agenda
Hi Mark,
Did you return from Denmark well?
Do you still want me to write something about the WikiMaas agenda for WikiIndex? If yes, can you give a little indication on the length and such?
Greetings,
Sander (http://wikimaas.org/Sander) Insert non-formatted text here
wikitravel issue
Mark, I've been having an interesting discussion with Gil of wikia about wikitravel and their competition. Check out his latest answer. TedErnst | talk 10:54, 14 September 2006 (EDT)
Moving pages
Thanks for the vote of confidence, by moving The Wiki Synergy Project to the main space. A technical point for future reference - using the "move" function (a tab at the top if you're using the normal skin) instead of cutting and pasting, has the advantage of transferring the article history, and updating people's watchlists as well.
Thanks --Chris Watkins/Singkong2005 talk 22:37, 23 September 2006 (EDT)
- I just realized you're a sysop... perhaps I could ask you to undo the recent changes and then redo it as a "move"? (I don't have the rollback feature that would be needed, as I'm not a sysop.) That would be very helpful in terms of keeping track of who has contributed what to the page.
- Btw, could you perhaps add a sentence of explanation about Wikibooks:Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, on the Wiki Synergy Project page? I'm not clear on how this relates to the project - or what other wiki(s) you think might have synergy with this. Thanks again. --Chris Watkins/Singkong2005 talk 22:51, 23 September 2006 (EDT)
- Excellent - thanks on both points. --Chris Watkins/Singkong2005 talk 06:54, 24 September 2006 (EDT)
check out this user
User:JenniferForUnity - see her contributions - awesome energy around the category system TedErnst | talk 15:58, 17 October 2006 (EDT)
Category talk:Blog
please see: Category talk:Blog
Re: Hello
"Hi Jennifer, I am at WikiIndex and was wondering if you had seen this: [3]. Looks like you are doing some cool stuff here. Look forward..Best, MarkDilley"
- I think one of the most interesting parts of getting involved in net politics has to be how educational it is... I've learned about wikis and communities and policy making and on and on. That's for the link. :-) This feels like a big issue. I'll have to spend some time digesting it I think. (Fun!)
- - JenniferForUnity 11:55, 21 October 2006 (EDT)
visual wiki index
Hi Mark, please would you have a look on this: Proposal:Visual WikiIndex --Peu 17:17, 24 October 2006 (EDT)
blog functionality in media wiki
PB Wiki Network
contact me
Mark, thanks for your note. You can contact me wiki at dave jenkins dot com (really). Davejenk1ns 00:44, 11 July 2007 (EDT)
request
Could you delete my userpage, User:Canderous and the page Canderous? Thanks Canderous 05:16, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
What do you think about external wikiindex entry points?
Hi Mark,
please have a look on Proposal:WikiIndex Pages on indexed Wikis --Wolf | talk 07:03, 3 October 2007 (EDT)
Sysop-tag
Hi Mark,
There's a new template:sysop that can be used to tag users, which are currently active sysops. I think this will be good, because only sysops have the right to bluck/unblock and if someone feels blocked he needs help. --Wolf | talk 06:43, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
Reporting spammers
- Special:Contributions:170.211.210.3
- Special:Contributions/60.10.6.170
- Special:Contributions/12.145.215.94
- Special:Contributions/217.171.176.46
Seems to be one of those new kinds of spammers who vandalise (with gibberish) a few times, then link spam a few pages. Probably bears watching. Nathan 22:48, 14 October 2007 (EDT)
Synergy
Hi Mark,
Lots of exciting stuff happening at Appropedia - including connecting with new people and groups. I know you like to see synergy happening, so would be happy to fwd/cc an an email. I have good internet for a few days too, so Skype is possible - I'm Chriswaterguy on that system, and to send an electronic letter, it's the same username with the appropedia and the organizational suffix. Would be good to bounce ideas around. --Chris Watkins a.k.a. Chriswaterguy talk 08:52, 1 November 2007 (EDT)
the timezone...
Hi Mark,
...template exists now and seem to work properly. Greetings --Wolf | talk 03:21, 23 November 2007 (EST)
TransWiki
Thanks for your interest! Personally, I feel that public transit is a huge part of our society's structure (Even as I write this, a public transit bus has just drove by). Hundreds of cities use public transit systems, all of which have many links, and they all have separate websites. TransWiki allows us, as a society, to bring together all the information about public transit systems into one site, making it easy to access and to allow people how to use their systems more efficiently. :) - Enzo Aquarius 18:47, 10 December 2007 (EST)
Section in "your" list
Hi Mark, I hope you did'nt make it by hand. The Numbering was for the total amount, but sections are no problem to me. Maybe I'll sort/reformat it from time to time. But I hope the list will be done sometimes. Best regards, Wolf | talk 17:30, 13 March 2008 (EDT)
Hey
Hey Mark, you might like to clear this out and yeah try updating to the latest version of MediaWiki (1.12.0.) which is more stable than the previous version..cheers...--Comets 13:37, 24 March 2008 (EDT)
politics.ie wiki
Since you contributed to Politics.ie article, wanted you to know of a question at Talk:Politics.ie Wiki. --EarthFurst 17:41, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
Wikia
Hello, Markdilley. Can the KUW (A german Club about Wikis) make a german version of Wikiindex on Wikia? When yes, than please write on my talkpage on Wikia. Thank, you! Gruß, BobaCartman 10:58, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
- Hello, MarkDilley. (I want say now, I can't very goog english) I can't do that, because I have two Wikis. My friend JangoCartman want to do that. I planed the URL: http://de.wikiindex.wikia.com/ I thing (To 100%) it is possibility. Thank you, BobaCartman
- Hello, MarkDilley. I'm sendet you this E-Mail. VaderCartman (He, JangoCartman, Klamsy0710 and I have a Club named Confederacy of Independent Wikis) requestet this Wiki, but Wikia wan't make that. Why you can see on the request. Can we make maybe the URL: de.wikiindex.org ?
- Gruß, BobaCartman 01:16, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
Cool, thanks!
Thanks for the welcome, Mark! BushyTree 20:06, 6 July 2008 (EDT)
Vandal
User:Deborah has vandalized the Conservapedia article. Proxima Centauri 17:09, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Deborah deleted everything she didn't like again. I've restored it for the moment. Proxima Centauri 12:56, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
- Sssssss... Get out of bed! {scares Mark out of bed} --Snuffleupagus 12:34, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
User:Deborah has deleted everything she didn't like again. I've restored it for the moment yet again. I suggest you contact her and ask her to compromise. My computer's broken down and I'm limited to public computers at the moment. Proxima Centauri 10:59, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
I've registered with About Us with my real name but I'm having second thoughts as Internet safety experts advise against this. I haven't activated the account yet. Proxima Centauri 17:03, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
Problem user
Dagoth Ur, Mad God has an account here. I suggest you watch him. I don’t know the truth. Proxima Centauri 15:27, 8 September 2008 (EDT)
- Where's me money? [reaches inside Mark's pocket and steals wallet] --Mr. Krabs 13:04, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
Lost Password and no Email Addy Registered
Hello, I am User:YouWiki and I run Youwiki. I have forgotten my password and I have not registered my email address in the WikiIndex system. Could you please delete my account or send me my password via my talk page on YouWiki (go to User Talk:Willemhenskens) so that I can log in to update my page? Thanks.
A new sysop?
Hi Mark, what would you think about MarvelZuvembie as Sysop? At present, he's the most active user and seems to be interested in sysop-stuff. Best --Wolf | talk 03:09, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
- I'm Snuffleupagus! [makes furnace noises through snuffle] f-f-f-f-f-f [in a normal voice] Get out of bed! [pokes Mark with snuffle, Mark jumps out of bed] --Snuffleupagus 12:06, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Conservaèdia
Hello, I have a question: Are wiki-index articles supposed to be filled with hateful criticism of the wikis? It is weird, but the only wiki in the whole wiki-index with a criticism section is Conservapedia. And it takes most of the article! I think it should be only an index. Do not you think? People of RationalWiki should not be the ones who edit that article! (Gulik, Proxima Centauri)
At every other single article of this wikiindex, the editors of the article on a wiki are its administrators or people involved with the wiki directly. Except Conservapedia. It does not deserve it because it is christian! Liberals talk a lot about discrimination but they are the most discriminating anyone would ever find.
It is really discriminating, I ask you please to intervene and let the CP's people to manage their own entry. I am not a conservapedian, I am not really interested on managing that entry, I just think it is not fair at all. Wiki-index should not be a place where to push personal agendas.
Summary:
- Conservapedia is the only wiki in the whole wikiindex that has a criticism section <- Discrimination
- Rationalwiki editors are the one who edit the entry and revert most other people's edits <- Discrimination
- Conservapedia is the only wiki in the whole wikiindex whose own editors are let to manage the article on their wiki. <- Discrimination
- Guilk has menaced with adding more criticism. <- Harassment
I think it should be enough with a sentence like "This site only accepts contributions from a biblic christian point of view, any other kind of contributions can lead to a block of the user" to explain users the likes of being blocked there
I hope you can intervene. This whole thing is sick and discriminating
The neutrality of this beautiful wiki-index is being riskedEros of Fire 08:10, 19 November 2008 (EST)
Conservapedia, RationalWiki etc
There’s an edit war in progress over Conservapedia, RationalWiki, and The Conservapedia RationalWiki war. More can be found on the talk pages of all 3 articles and in the page histories. I’m biased in favour of RationalWiki. Conservapedia supporters would an impartial administrator to intervene. I will try to summarize objectively.
- ’’’RationalWiki point of view:’’’ Conservapedia deserves the criticism. Conservapedia regularly blocks and deletes dissent on its website. They want to prevent criticism similarly here. There are especially large articles criticizing Conservapedia on Wikiindex because there are special problems with Conservapedia.
- ’’’ Conservapedia point of view:’’’ RationalWiki are wiki vandals and irresponsible atheists. We struggle to keep our wiki Christian and fundamentalist and RationalWiki vandals cause us constant problems. (As a RationalWikian I feel this criticism is true of a few RationalWikians but not all). No other wiki has such long prominent criticism and Conservapedia shouldn’t either. If criticism is allowed here critical sections can spread to other wikis and explode out of control. Some users who appear neutral also feel that criticism shouldn’t be allowed because of this.
I’ve considered things. It can be a shock when a user doesn’t know that he/she is committing a blockable offense and suddenly is looking at a ban window. This can happen on many wikis. Problems with users being blocked for expressing dissenting views aren’t unique to Conservapedia. To address this I’ve made a new category, Wikis with a strong viewpoint. To be neutral I’ve included many secular wikis as well as religious wikis in this category. Proxima Centauri 04:45, 22 November 2008 (EST)
I.m thinking of a 4th article stating mainly the Conservapedia point of view. As I see it Andrew Schlafly has 20,000 pages to express his right-wing Christian fundamentalist point of view. He has it because his mother can afford to finance it. His views don't merit that coverage. I don't think 3 pages here to counteract 20,000 pages is to much. I won't have much time for a few hours. I'll be busy on RationalWiki refuting the latest Schlafly stuff that Darwin and other evolutionists are responsinble for what Hitler did. I'll have time to drop back here.
I don't think this type of essay article will spread throughout Wikindex. Users arn't interested enough in writing them. If essay articles develop they could potentially make Wikiindex more interesting and help the wiki to grow. I have no opinions one way or the other about Wookieepedia as I don't know the wiki. Proxima Centauri 02:29, 23 November 2008 (EST)
cool features
I thought I remembered a page here at WikiIndex that described the "cool features" that some wiki have. Alas, I can't seem to find it today. Could you help me find it? Or am I mis-remembering WikiFeatures ? --DavidCary 13:48, 5 December 2008 (EST)
- It's Category:GreatFeature. :-) --MarvelZuvembie 21:26, 5 December 2008 (EST)
- Thank you, that's exactly what I wanted. --DavidCary 09:21, 9 December 2008 (EST)
sushi
I don't understand the purpose of Category:SUSHIwiki. Are there enough wiki that discuss raw fish that we need an entire category about it? Or does "SUSHI" mean something entirely different here? --DavidCary 09:55, 9 December 2008 (EST)
- In this case, it's clone of WikiWikiWeb, not a foodstuff. But I bet that someday there will be multiple wikis which devote themselves to sushi. :-) --MarvelZuvembie 18:32, 11 December 2008 (EST)
- yep, a WikiEngine ~~ MarkDilley
Addition of a wikiFactor?
Dear MarkDilley,
I have just started the page Proposal:wikiFactor, and it would be wonderful if you would take a look. All the best -- Carl McBride (talk) 05:49, 4 March 2009 (EST)
Re:hint
Thanks, I actually had seen both options used, thus didn't really know which one was the recommended one :) Patheticcockroach 03:03, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
- Well, when using Template:Tl, the infobox is almost totally hidden, and the logo is replaced with a "this wiki is inactive" picture. While when keeping the wiki template with wiki_status = Inactive, the infobox still appears normally. Patheticcockroach 03:11, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
- Ah, right, categories remain the same when using Template:Tl with wiki_status = Inactive (example). Patheticcockroach 03:23, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
Wiki License
Hi Mark. I just asked the same question of Speckmade: how do we categorize sites which claim copyright of user submission within the "Wiki License" parameter of {{Wiki}}? Currently there are categories for most of the "copyleft" wiki licenses, but there's no way to categorize wikis which don't follow this practice. I'd make one myself, but I'm not really sure what to call it. I assume that people will want to know when a site retains copyright over submissions. Thanks, MarvelZuvembie 16:42, 13 March 2009 (EDT)
- OK, thanks. I may just make a category called "Site retains copyright" or something. But, I think I'll wait for Speckmade to respond as well before I do anything. :-) --MarvelZuvembie 17:58, 14 March 2009 (EDT)
here... more...
Great! I fight against these meaningless link captions too. If only one could search for them! ;-) Greetings --Wolf | talk 05:55, 26 March 2009 (EDT)
Maybe I'm missing something, but your MarkDilley page looks broken
Hi,
You just welcomed me (thanks by the way) and invited me to turn myself into an article (like you have). So I looked at the MarkDilley article to see how you were doing it and the following things look broken to me:
- You have some HTML showing up on the top of the page (part of a table),
- You have 'Image:Sparkitchaticon-small.gif' showing on the page (but no image so this is a redlink inviting people to upload the image) and
- You have the text 'Talk to me' which links to 'User_talk:Sparkit' instead of this page. There is no 'User_talk:Sparkit' on the wiki, so this is a redlink that invites people to edit the page.
That aside, I think I get the point of the two pronged thing. I might give it a go when I have some other stuff done elsewhere. David Shepheard 19:39, 11 April 2009 (EDT)
Me as an article
As per your suggestion on my talk page, I've added myself as an article. Please feel free to add any categories that need to be added. David Shepheard 12:30, 12 April 2009 (EDT)
Dicuss, warn, or block?
Hi Mark,
I reverted all the contributions of an anonymous user today (Special:Contributions/67.224.218.67). Although he wasn't spamming, I don't feel that his personal assessment of the value of these wikis is relevant to this site, particularly as they were expressed. I could block him outright, but I wonder if it would be more appropriate to give him a warning or simply state on his talk page that he's missed the point of this site. Any thoughts?
--MarvelZuvembie 19:27, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
- Update: I've opted for "discuss". --MarvelZuvembie 13:48, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
- Thanks for getting back to me, Mark. I agree that we could review wikis (and of course there's always some subjectivity in deciding a wiki's status and in how to describe a wiki's content). I think it could add to the usefulness of the site. However, it wasn't how I perceived the site's mission as it stands right now. And if when we do review wikis, I hope it's something a bit more informative than "this wiki sux", which is approximately the level of usefulness that I see this particular user's comments as being. Please let me know if I get too far off base, though. --MarvelZuvembie 12:51, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
- After reading the Wikia article, I was wondering if this wiki was here to list wikis or review them. See my comments in the Criticism section of the Wikia talk page. --David Shepheard 12:38, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
- Rereading the Welcome page, I noticed the statement "We strive to share wiki experiences and encourage wiki folk to think about issues in wikidom." I guess you can't really do that without giving your personal perspective. I'm just so used to the "neutral point of view" ethos of Wikipedia, I extended it to this wiki. ;-) I agree that providing one's impression of a wiki could be helpful to visitors. I just would hate to see more edit wars like occurred with the entry for Conservapedia. --MarvelZuvembie 22:16, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
Excellent thoughts from both of you - thanks! In my mind, one of the most amazing things about wiki is that it can provide a path forward in conflict. Given that a wiki can provide space for an endless EditWar - what other options are available? Can either party think of a way to work with the other? Should one or both be banned? etc... Wikipedia (the 800 pound gorilla in the room :-) does provide many people to think that wiki is neutral point of view - but it is certainly a standard for that wiki. I am interested in this question as a community question. I know what I had in mind when I (and others) created this wiki - and how that fits with what others think and want is very important to me. Best, MarkDilley
- Hmm. Maybe this is a topic that you should move off of your discussion page (and the Wikia discussion page) onto a more general discussion page. My personal perspective is that I originally came here only to set up the page for Spelljammer Wiki and run away. But, as I'm now hunting for other Dungeons & Dragons related wikis, this is as good a place as any, for me to 'dump' links to them. For me the size of the wiki is the most important thing in your statistics. (The wiki engine is relevant, but if a cool wiki has a wiki engine I dislike, I'll still visit it.) Something else that is important to me (but probably not for WikiIndex) is understanding if a Dungeons & Dragons wiki deals with 'canon' information (i.e. it is an encyclopedia that describes the existing D&D campaign setting) or if it exists to encourage people to create 'fanon' content (i.e. it is a work of colaborative fan expansion to the original D&D campaign setting). Things like the skin that Wikia forces people to view (and/or adverts) are largly uninteresting to me. However, if there was a policy, I would try to make sure I didn't make any edits that broke the policy.
- I think that doing things like mentioning on the category page of a wiki farm (like Wikia), that some people do not like adverts, does not really help to extend that 'complaint'/'negative feature' out to all the wikis on that wiki farm. I wonder if Template:Wiki could (or even should) be updated to include a line that mentions if a wiki has adverts (or any other multi-wiki features that people might like/dislike). I wonder if Template:Wiki should have alternative 'subtemplates' that cater for groups of wikis that use the wiki engine to make a specialist type of wiki (like an encyclopedia of the fiction within a computer MMORPG like World of Warcraft) where specific wiki policies (such as encouraging or banning fan fiction) are either attractive features or things that make the wiki unsuitable for the purpose of the reader. David Shepheard 06:42, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
- EDIT: MarvelZuvembie has already done this. See: WikiIndex_talk:Community_talk#Site_reviews. David Shepheard 07:09, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
- It's certainly possible to add extra fields to the {{Wiki}} template. Naturally, I'd recommend creating a proposal for such first. (I think there's a link to proposals on the Community Portal.) Whether or not a wiki allows advertising seems like a logical addition to the template. Just recently, Speckmade added the "license" field to let people know how their work will be copyrighted/attributed if they should submit information to a wiki. Of course, even without adding it to the template, you can always add to the text.
- As far as the canon/fanon issue, I think I created a Category:Fanon a while back. Whoops, nope, it wasn't me, but someone else did. There's also a few wikis tagged with the non-existant Category:Fandoms. Taxonomy around here is from the ground up, although I've done some sorting just to try and lump like items together. I don't think there's a Category:Canon, but there could be. Regardless, that's totally appropriate info to add to a wiki's article. --MarvelZuvembie 18:59, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
- It would take ages for someone to shoot around looking for all the wikis that should be added to Category:Canon. I know that Wookiepedia and Memory Alpha (and Memory Beta) contain canon (of Categeory:Star Wars and Category:Star Trek), but you need someone with geek-level knowledge of the subject matter to make the judgement call.
- As for Category:Fandoms that has got to be slightly different to Category:Fanon. There are plenty of things that fans might do that do not involve canon or fanon. Maybe Category:Fandoms should be the parent category to Category:Canon and Category:Fanon. David Shepheard 07:17, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
Arbitrary celebration
As of this moment, we have 4,444 articles. :-) --MarvelZuvembie 20:04, 13 May 2009 (EDT)
- Heh. I saw you put that up on the, er, "message of the day"(?) field. Nice! --MarvelZuvembie 20:27, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
Block again
I've blocked a user for this edit. User:Huw Powell and various unregistered users have been setting out to cause me problems for weeks. Proxima Centauri 14:03, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
- I have asked you to provide evidence for your accusation. Your response was to block me and lock the talk page. You are the only one to blame for your problems. [4] 38.108.111.63 14:49, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
- The discussion is re-opened. But I think, this question has never to be answered. Have a nice day! :-) --Wolf | talk 15:38, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
- Barbara (PS, that's my mother's name), you are the problem. You are a power hungry, anguished person. I never set out to "cause [you] problems", I came here because you whined on rationalwiki and rationalwikiwiki about your own behavior being reported on. Huw Powell 06:41, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
- The discussion is re-opened. But I think, this question has never to be answered. Have a nice day! :-) --Wolf | talk 15:38, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
Admin abuse by Proxima Centauri
Your assistance in this matter would be appreciated here. Thank you 38.108.111.63 14:49, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
- Once more, Proxima is abusing her admin rights at RationalWiki. She has locked the article, and is taking advantage of RW being down to spam pointless links to her own pet wiki, Liberapedia. She also blocked a user (Nx) for correcting her incompetence. I repeat, she is a power-mad authoritarian with very poor language and comprehension skills. (I can footnote those accusations if necessary). Huw Powell 00:59, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
These have been trolling and being deliberately abusive, if you aren't satisfied with the way I deal with trolls I'm close to leaving. Proxima Centauri 02:46, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
- Do, please. Phantom Hoover 03:09, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
- Mark, I see you have unblocked Nx and Phantom Hoover. Good move, neither of them mean harm. Can you also unlock the RationalWiki article? As of now Proxima Centauri is preventing anyone else from correcting her errors (and simply cleaning it up) by (ab)using her admin rights. If you want to chat about this behind closed doors or whatever, I think my email is enabled (or ask me on my talk page if you prefer another venue). I understand she has been very helpful here at times with the chores of blocking wandals, locking pages, and burning offensive edits, but seriously, this issue is so trivial it's not funny. It certainly did not require her to run around smacking people left and right. Huw Powell 04:01, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
- Update: I see edit buttons on the RW article. So either it's been unprotected or someone made me a sysop? Huw Powell 04:04, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
- I edited the "loss of service" section. I hope what I wrote meets the standards and goals of this site. Huw Powell 04:15, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
- Ah, I see, PC only protected it for a couple of days and it expired. Huw Powell 04:22, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
- Mark, I see you have unblocked Nx and Phantom Hoover. Good move, neither of them mean harm. Can you also unlock the RationalWiki article? As of now Proxima Centauri is preventing anyone else from correcting her errors (and simply cleaning it up) by (ab)using her admin rights. If you want to chat about this behind closed doors or whatever, I think my email is enabled (or ask me on my talk page if you prefer another venue). I understand she has been very helpful here at times with the chores of blocking wandals, locking pages, and burning offensive edits, but seriously, this issue is so trivial it's not funny. It certainly did not require her to run around smacking people left and right. Huw Powell 04:01, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
Spam
An unregistered user spammed this onto your userpage, later replaced it with links to wikis so I reverted it and protected the page. If you did it yourself without logging in you are an administrator and can still ediit the page. I've deleted the page and restored only edits by users who I know are administrators here. Proxima Centauri 03:52, 16 July 2009 (EDT) Proxima Centauri 03:44, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
My attempt at dispute resolution
Hey All, wanted to see if you were interested in dispute resolution, my suggestion is here ~~ MarkDilley
(I've moved the comments that were placed here, to the page MarkDilley created for this purpose. Lumenos 06:33, 30 August 2009 (EDT) )
Thanks for weighing in!
About edit conflict on WikiIndex:Policies_and_Guidelines, "05:09, 4 September 2009 MarkDilley (Talk | contribs) (27,735 bytes) (maybe stomped after an edit conflict - will try to fix)"
- I guess you can see when I have a page open for edit? Lumenos 01:30, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
- nope :-) ~~ MarkDilley
- I did get an edit conflict but I merged it. Lumenos 01:30, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
- I got an edit conflict and tried to merge it, for my level of experience it is just looking at the diffs, would be interesting to know if I could do it easier. ~~ MarkDilley
I made some adjustments and replied to you at WikiIndex:Policies_and_Guidelines#Notes_to_editors_of_this_page. Sorry if that was confusing. I put more work into things if I think something will come of them. Lumenos 01:30, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
- I appreciate that. Was trying to let things cool down, still interested in moving stuff to the talk page of affected WikiIndex articles. ~~ MarkDilley
Is a broad consensus allowable?
About the owners or controllers of WikiIndex: How do those in power here feel about "consensus", in the sense of inviting readers, editors, and admins to collaborate to formulate policy, etc? Lumenos 01:35, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
I think that consensus is an ideal situation which we should strive for. Super majority should be considered in absence of that ideal. ~~ MarkDilley
Vulnerabilities of this wiki
Nx claims he can do... something. Do you know if this is true or how to prevent it? Lumenos 06:50, 4 September 2009 (EDT)