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Mark Dilley wins another victory in the fight against unnecessary complexity

I guess I was expecting dozens of people to each insert their pet peeve into the WikiIndex talk:Blocking Policy#draft blocking policy proposal, making it balloon up into a huge monster of complexity.

I am pleasantly surprised that you made it shorter. Also, it makes me happy that you deleted my negative language about "warning" and replaced it with a more positive alternative. --DavidCary 01:44, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

The value of discussion

Discussion is also work, unless not completed and hanging in the air for years. Even then it is work, only without result. Naturally it is easier to do little edits here and there and consider that as work with results rather than coming to a conclusion in a debate since the later requires more staying power.

I do not mind if anybody improves my statements on a talk page like better link format. But whatever I write there should not be changed in the wording and left with my signature. That would be forgery, that is not me any more. My statements are not articles to be edited. Manorainjan (talk) 20:27, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

When I count amongst my last 100 edits only 20% is discussion, the rest, 80% is "work" ;-) How is Your work-count? Manorainjan (talk) 21:08, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

I really am not getting into an argument about discussion and work.  :-) ~~ MarkDilley
You are not getting into it, You where the one who started it in the first place. Manorainjan (talk) 21:11, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Manorainjan, maybe it's a second language thing, but the tone of your words seems hostile. Might I suggest you take a rest from this subject? --MarvelZuvembie (talk) 21:16, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
I do not think it's about tone. But if You think, You can explain it. Manorainjan (talk) 21:26, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
I apologize, I didn't mean to say that discussion was not work, when in fact it is sometimes the hardest work. ~~ MarkDilley
Sometimes? ;-) For every work there is a competence to aquire that makes it easier if not possible at all. NVC and sorry for late reply, I was busy with "work" ;-) Manorainjan (talk) 23:21, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

How community works

"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." is one of seven quotes inscribed on the walls at the gravesite of John F. Kennedy at Arlington National Cemetery.

In that spirit it does not bring forward community feeling by howling that one is not part of it but by active participation and invitation for others to participate. Now, on the one hand You are acting 'nice' by welcoming new users and telling them to BeBold. But on several occasions where I acted semi-bold and discussed a change with a 'senior' user You where howling 'I am not involved in the conversation'. So, what I did was to shift this topic in front and invited the community to discuss it there. Now the question arises why didn't You do that in the first place, being more senior and obviously feeling the need for participation showing me HowTo CommunityCate? Now, I went further and informed other Users who obviously did not take note of this discussion. Rather than supporting the unfinished discussion You started to discourage my efforts by belittling the value of discussion calling then 'endless' which is an euphemism for useless and without result and contradicting discussion with 'work' as a symbol for productivity. Also You potentially started a separation of 'me' and what I do (endless discussion) and what You call 'we' and what actually You personally allegedly are doing. this is neither 'wok' AKA little edits here and there nor promoting community AKA discussion for finding solutions with which everybody can live nicely.

What You got to do now is, to find Your inner motivation what drove You to disturb constructive discussions and then redirect this motivation into a more productive strategy that supports the progress of a community. Manorainjan (talk) 13:34, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Ohai Mark

Sincerely, Johnny. Sweetie Belle (talk) 23:53, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Should we have alternative infoboxes besides Template:Wiki?

Discussion here. --MarvelZuvembie (talk) 19:36, 27 August 2014 (UTC)


Improving the community

Discussion with results AKA work ;-) Any suggestions? Manorainjan (talk)

WikiIndex_talk:Community_talk#Request_account_-_real_name

Do You know the answer?Manorainjan (talk)

Regarding Your 'envisioning' the Community portal to be of any use for community or discussion, how shall this question WikiIndex talk:OptOut be treated, how would the community be 'notified' about it? Manorainjan (talk) 14:35, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

eMail

What happened to the fixing of email functionality for this Wiki?Manorainjan (talk) 12:51, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Upgrading to a clean install of the latest stable version was hoped to have resolved that issue. It hasn't. That is the place where we are at now. ~~ MarkDilley

You told me, that some user account do not have this problems. From there I concluded, that it is not a software problem. the Problem sits in the net. It got to do with mail servers and blacklists.Manorainjan (talk)

PS: When this update was done?

Last year was the latest upgrade. ~~ MarkDilley

Too late

http://wikiindex.org/User_talk:W812949 Manorainjan (talk)

Wikipediaphobie?

Wikipedia has no page about us: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wikis

And then the ivory tower inhabitants wonder why this Wiki does not grow a stronger user base within the said 8+ years... Who is the PR secretary of this one-horse town? Manorainjan (talk) 22:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

User:Robin Patterson

Do You know what role Robin Patterson played in the founding phase of WikiIndex? Manorainjan (talk) 23:27, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Robin helped with SwitchWiki and jumped over to WikiIndex for a bit. ~~ MarkDilley

Sounds like a founding member to me, if he was already engaged on the preceding project. Manorainjan (talk)

Great discussion :-)

... You said 2007 ...

Was there any result? Manorainjan (talk) 07:37, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Project Namespace

Can You give a definition of Project Namespace?

They are typically the name of the wiki, also called meta pages. Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • Admin / 'Crat • talk2HH 22:53, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

fb

Do You ever read your facebook mails? M.

File:WikiIndexLogo2014.png

I have no idea what could be offending in a sunflower.Manorainjan (talk) 10:54, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Really? As Sean suggests, a sunflower with the brackets around it is copyrighted. Makes sense to me. ~~ MarkDilley
and looks like it is in the public domain, thanks YiFei.


blocked from doing work

I think the biggest thing for you to do Manorainjan, is to slow down here. Best, MarkDilley

What would be the advantage of being slow? the one who does mistakes should be more careful. Maybe he should 'slow' down, take a vacation. I'm fine. My mind is concentrated. I'm in good mood. What is wrong with that? M.
I think they basically mean, spend more time in the D part of the BRD cycle, and work to get consensus on your side. Leucosticte (talk) 20:14, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm the last one to avoid any discussion ;-) But Sean has blocked every possible aspect of my account regarding communication, even internal mail which is needed for this part: User is blocked Jump to: navigation, search Your username or IP address has been blocked. The block was made by Hoof Hearted. The reason given is no reason given. Start of block: 14:17, 19 September 2014 Expiry of block: 14:17, 26 September 2014 Intended blockee: Manorainjan You can contact Hoof Hearted or another administrator to discuss the block. You cannot use the 'email this user' feature unless a valid email address is specified in your account preferences and you have not been blocked from using it. Your current IP address is 178.11.160.142, and the block ID is #19490. Please include all above details in any queries you make. M.

The reason Sean gave was copyright violations, repeated disruption to WikiIndex, refusing to following community-agreed standards in the first block. ~~ MarkDilley

None of those accusations have substance. He totally failed to supply any proof of his biased claims. He did not even try. Manorainjan (talk)
The log summary helps make people realize there was more misbehavior after the unblock; otherwise, the reblock makes it look like there was a wheel war. Special:Logs/block. Leucosticte (talk) 22:20, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

There was and is no wheel war.

  1. Sean blocked my account
  2. Mark expressed that he did not agree with that.
  3. Sean ignored that
  4. YiFei, being more practical than talkative unblocked my account, expressing his opinion by this.
  5. Sean disrespected both and blocked my account again.
  6. Mark repeated his difference in opinion
  7. Sean kept his stubborn attitude and silence.

That's it. Now the thing hangs in the middle kind of. Sean puts his nose deep in 'work' trying his very, very best to ignore my IP edits or anybody's comments on this 'case' and passes his chances to 'range block' the IPs I'm using. And none of the sysops like to stir anybody up further. So, Your expectation of a wheel war will go unfulfilled. I'm not sorry about this.Manorainjan (talk)

How was that not a wheel war? Are you saying that the battle was only hypothetical and not real? Leucosticte (talk) 23:41, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

You seam to have serious difficulties to understand the motivations of people. First of all there was no intention of waging a war from any side, especially not amongst the sysops. Everybody expressed their opinion in their specific way, once. Only mark did the same thing twice. But he did no reverts, blocks or unblocks at all. So, nothing to see here, keep moving! Manorainjan (talk)

If there were a fight, who do you think would win? What odds would you place on the various combatants? Leucosticte (talk) 00:04, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

If there would be a fight, nobody would win, everybody would loose and everybody except You knows that. And You don't have the power to start a war Birdy. Manorainjan (talk)

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