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==main==
==main==
* Wiki people pages go in the main article space per John's comment.
* Wiki people pages go in the main article space per John's comment.
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* Moving these here from the article where they were listed as examples.  [[WikiNode]], [[TourBusStop]], [[SandBox]]  Is it okay to talk about them?  In my mind, if we have an articles about [[WikiNodes]], the network & general concept, that goes in the main namespace.  Our own wikinode, however, goes in the WikiIndex namespace.  I can be persuaded on this.  I'm thinking that the same goes for the other two.  An article about the tour bus system would go in main, but our stop goes in wikiindex.  An article about the sandbox concept could go in main and our sandbox in wikiindex.  '''And''' perhaps I'm looking at this all wrong.  I'm thinking of it as "outward facing" and "inward facing".  For people that are coming here to use the resource we're creating, we want them to only really see the outward-facing stuff.  For those that want to edit, to participate, to be a guest or a visitor or a participant, then they can see under the hood and see the WikiIndex namespace.  This is just where I'm coming from at the moment.  Would love to hear others ways of looking at this. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:54, 27 Mar 2006 (EST)
* Moving these here from the article where they were listed as examples.  [[WikiNode]], [[TourBusStop]], [[SandBox]]  Is it okay to talk about them?  In my mind, if we have an articles about [[WikiNodes]], the network & general concept, that goes in the main namespace.  Our own wikinode, however, goes in the WikiIndex namespace.  I can be persuaded on this.  I'm thinking that the same goes for the other two.  An article about the tour bus system would go in main, but our stop goes in wikiindex.  An article about the sandbox concept could go in main and our sandbox in wikiindex.  '''And''' perhaps I'm looking at this all wrong.  I'm thinking of it as "outward facing" and "inward facing".  For people that are coming here to use the resource we're creating, we want them to only really see the outward-facing stuff.  For those that want to edit, to participate, to be a guest or a visitor or a participant, then they can see under the hood and see the WikiIndex namespace.  This is just where I'm coming from at the moment.  Would love to hear others ways of looking at this. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:54, 27 Mar 2006 (EST)


== WikiIndex==
==WikiIndex==
Tristam, what function does having WikiIndex in the title of this page serve?  -- [[MarkDilley]]
Tristam, what function does having WikiIndex in the title of this page serve?  -- [[MarkDilley]]


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I'm moving meta pages back into the WikiIndex namespace, as an attempt to get a handle on meta pages and categorization of guidelines, policies and collaborations.  I'm hoping this will make it easier for others to then come in here and help us if things are well-defined. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 13:53, 10 Mar 2006 (EST)
I'm moving meta pages back into the WikiIndex namespace, as an attempt to get a handle on meta pages and categorization of guidelines, policies and collaborations.  I'm hoping this will make it easier for others to then come in here and help us if things are well-defined. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 13:53, 10 Mar 2006 (EST)


== Examples of issues discussed ==
==Examples of issues discussed==
 
* I believe [[TedErnst]] was trying to help me understand that [[RecursiveNatureOfWiki]] belonged somewhere else, perhaps [[WikiIndex: RecursiveNatureOfWiki]].  Is this what you were thinking Ted? Best, [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
* I believe [[TedErnst]] was trying to help me understand that [[RecursiveNatureOfWiki]] belonged somewhere else, perhaps [[WikiIndex: RecursiveNatureOfWiki]].  Is this what you were thinking Ted? Best, [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
** I see articles about wiki in general, like the spam measures example above, as perfectly legitimate in the main namespace.  As [[RecursiveNatureOfWiki]] stands right now, it seems like a meta conversation that would be better placed at [[WikiIndex: RecursiveNatureOfWiki].  Now I'm not sure I grok the concept so I might be missing it and maybe it really isn't meta issue for this wiki, but a larger issue of the WikiSphere, in which case it seems to me it should stay where it is.  Is my way of thinking about these things helpful to anyone? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 13:50, 21 Jan 2006 (EST)
** I see articles about wiki in general, like the spam measures example above, as perfectly legitimate in the main namespace.  As [[RecursiveNatureOfWiki]] stands right now, it seems like a meta conversation that would be better placed at [[WikiIndex: RecursiveNatureOfWiki].  Now I'm not sure I grok the concept so I might be missing it and maybe it really isn't meta issue for this wiki, but a larger issue of the WikiSphere, in which case it seems to me it should stay where it is.  Is my way of thinking about these things helpful to anyone? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 13:50, 21 Jan 2006 (EST)
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* Namespaces are easy in wiki.  MediaWiki has built-in namespaces, and function with them, as I understand.  But inheriently namespaces are easy in wiki.  As I have asserted before MarkDilley:Foo and MarkDilley:FooTwo are just putting Foo and FooTwo in the MarkDilley namespace.  It feels elementary to me, but maybe I am just not understanding what the importance of not understanding namespaces in this way is. [[MarkDilley]].  (Plus I am seeing your statement about the namespace of WikiIndex as an internal space, so why would we put public pages such as WikiNode, SandBox and TourBusStop in metaspace?)
* Namespaces are easy in wiki.  MediaWiki has built-in namespaces, and function with them, as I understand.  But inheriently namespaces are easy in wiki.  As I have asserted before MarkDilley:Foo and MarkDilley:FooTwo are just putting Foo and FooTwo in the MarkDilley namespace.  It feels elementary to me, but maybe I am just not understanding what the importance of not understanding namespaces in this way is. [[MarkDilley]].  (Plus I am seeing your statement about the namespace of WikiIndex as an internal space, so why would we put public pages such as WikiNode, SandBox and TourBusStop in metaspace?)


== help namespace ==
==Help namespace==
 
I did some moving around a while back, re-creating the WikiIndex prefix for meta stuff.  I wasn't clear on which pages would be considered "Help", so I didn't use that one.  Which pages would go in there at this point? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:36, 27 Mar 2006 (EST)
I did some moving around a while back, re-creating the WikiIndex prefix for meta stuff.  I wasn't clear on which pages would be considered "Help", so I didn't use that one.  Which pages would go in there at this point? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:36, 27 Mar 2006 (EST)
:Help: would mostly be for wiki markup tutorials and explaining the MediaWiki features, namely uploading and using images. Most wikis just snag a lot of their help content from the corresponding stuff on Wikipedia, or take the non-license incompatible (because they're GFDL, and this is a CC licensed wiki) stuff at mediawiki.org &mdash;[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 02:57, 27 May 2006 (EDT)
:Help: would mostly be for wiki markup tutorials and explaining the MediaWiki features, namely uploading and using images. Most wikis just snag a lot of their help content from the corresponding stuff on Wikipedia, or take the non-license incompatible (because they're GFDL, and this is a CC licensed wiki) stuff at mediawiki.org &mdash;[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 02:57, 27 May 2006 (EDT)


== More Namespaces available ==
==More Namespaces available==
 
If I understand this software correctly, we have 155 more namespaces availabe to us to define. We do have to do some hardwiring to the software, but it seemed fairly easy. [[MarkDilley]]
If I understand this software correctly, we have 155 more namespaces availabe to us to define. We do have to do some hardwiring to the software, but it seemed fairly easy. [[MarkDilley]]
** found some information on it: [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Namespace#additional_namespaces_at_.5B.5Bmeta:.5D.5D WikiMedia:Namespaces]
** found some information on it: [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Namespace#additional_namespaces_at_.5B.5Bmeta:.5D.5D WikiMedia:Namespaces]
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The limit (as of MW1.5 and subsequent) is 32759 custom namespace pairs [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Simple_namespaces]. --[[User:Carlb|Carlb]] 13:02, 15 December 2006 (EST)
The limit (as of MW1.5 and subsequent) is 32759 custom namespace pairs [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Simple_namespaces]. --[[User:Carlb|Carlb]] 13:02, 15 December 2006 (EST)


== Main namespace vs alternate namespaces ==
==Main namespace vs alternate namespaces==
 
Looking at the WikiNode, TourBusStop, SandBox, articles - as mentioned by TedErnst earlier, made me think that these are pages that people elsewhere may or may not want in their main namespace. So I think they are very good examples of something that could be viewed from the point of view of external wiki-editors.
Looking at the WikiNode, TourBusStop, SandBox, articles - as mentioned by TedErnst earlier, made me think that these are pages that people elsewhere may or may not want in their main namespace. So I think they are very good examples of something that could be viewed from the point of view of external wiki-editors.


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