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How about an ontolgy of this metadata - expressed in RDF it could be harvested from the wikis so people don't always have to update the pages at WikiIndex?

In [[MediaWiki]] it could be expored [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/query.php?what=info this way] but also [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RDFa RDFa] is possible. -- [[User:Nichtich|Nichtich]] 09:31, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

...wouldn't a link to an about page and an author page be ''WAY'' more handier than a recent changes? --[[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]] 18:41, 26 August 2006 (EDT)

:::Also, it's possible for a bot to check [[MediaWiki:Aboutpage]] for the link (if the page is nonexistent, then it defaults to [[Project:About]]) and then see if there is any content there using [[mw:API:Query]], e.g., http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&titles=Project:About . Then the data about the existence and location of the about page can be pushed by the bot into the appropriate wiki pages on Wikiindex. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 21:24, 20 November 2012 (PST)

Hi Smiddle.  Great idea to have the boilerplate info closer at hand when looking at this template. I linked to our actual boilerplate as an alternative to what you did so that way things will always be up to date (no duplication that can become unsynchronized). [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 18:08, 28 August 2006 (EDT)

: Seems I manged to figure out how to include the boilerplate here afterall. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 11:24, 2 October 2006 (EDT)

I notice since the '''if''' template was added, there are extra blank lines between the link to the site, the link to RC and the link to the WikiNode.  Can we take those blanklines out? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 11:24, 2 October 2006 (EDT)

Now it says [No WikiNode], with squared parentheses, which looks weird. That's kinda why I created the template, to make it with round parentheses. Just an opinion. &ndash; [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:Smiddle|T]]&middot;[[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]]&middot;[[Special:Search/Smiddle|S]]&middot;[[Special:Allpages/Smiddle|A]]</small> 09:46, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

I know not all wikis have namespaces, but I'm sure most would have articles about the wiki and their author. Agree? &ndash; [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:Smiddle|T]]&middot;[[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]]&middot;[[Special:Search/Smiddle|S]]&middot;[[Special:Allpages/Smiddle|A]]</small> 14:58, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

:I agree, it could be the same kind of thing as RecentChanges and WikiNode, where it is optional [[User:Minun|Minun]] 15:13, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

::: Rather than changing the stats, I think it might be more useful to add a few headings to the boilerplate of the page. Headings like: 'Description', 'History', 'Administrators', 'Size' and the like, could encourage people to make standardised entries for wikis. More importantly, if you add headings (rather than have a long page with no headings) people can make direct links to a wikis size (or whatever). [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 06:28, 10 May 2009 (EDT)

Smiddle, can you tell me what [http://wikiindex.com/index.php?title=Template%3AWiki&diff=32303&oldid=32019 this edit] does?  Thanks! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:56, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

:If you don't want the link to show as the page name. Example: The page's name is "A", but you want to show the link as "B". then, you enter "|wiki_name=B". [[User:85.30.155.6|85.30.155.6]] 09:53, 17 October 2006 (EDT)

Ah, very cool!  Thanks. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:10, 17 October 2006 (EDT)

If we add a new named (optinal) parameter to the wiki template, we can display a readable default text '''and''' can easyly detect size-uncategorized wikis. See my [[Template:Wiki/suggestion|Wiki/suggestion]] --[[User:Peu|Peu]] 18:43, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

:: I think with the other criteria, it will be the same trick, maybe the old pages than need to be purged (<tt>sidename?action=purge</tt>), that depends on the MediaWiki version and could be done using [[Wikipedia:Wget]] . have a good day. --[[User:Peu|Peu]] 01:05, 19 October 2006 (EDT)

; Let's do it!  

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I looked at it and am confused on how to move on this. Help?

Why not one of the extensions. [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions Parser Functions] has the If, Ifeq, and Switch functions which could be used to allow the Wiki template to be edited so that things show up under only certain circumstances. The Ifs would show up in neater code, and the size, and statistics could be added to the template in a way that they only act when about wikis with certain WikiEngines. [[User:Dantman|Dantman]] 18:01, 26 October 2006 (EDT)

: Seems good, I use the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions parser functions] already in my 1.8.1 MediaWiki in a few cases (#ifexist for subpages). For this 1.6.x version MediaWiki we have to make little changes to the extension. I'm not so experienced with templates and extensions as to decide wich technique would be better. --[[Wolf Peuker|Peu]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 09:38, 27 October 2006 (EDT)

::::: Yes, if seems to work fine for: [[Template:Iftest|Iftest]] and [http://www.wikiindex.com/index.php?title=WikiIndex%3ASandbox&diff=33963&oldid=33824 in Sandbox] --[[Wolf Peuker|Peu]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 15:24, 29 October 2006 (EST)

I think it would be useful if we could describe in words exactly what changes are being worked on with each alternative version of this template, and the status of each change.  Could we fill this in?  If you're just experimenting with something, please let us know that as well.

# add parameter wiki_size (semantics from [[Template:Size]]) - ''Complete''

# add parameter wiki_statistics_URL (semantics from [[Template:Size]]) - ''Complete''

# clicking the WikiLogo leads to the wiki URL - ''Open'', must be done by hand or by [[User:Sean Fennel]]s [[User:SeanBot|Bot]].

# correct the layout - ''some Complete''

* The ability to goto a wiki by clicking on it's logo - '''''Waiting for the installation of the Custom Full/Local Image Extension'''''

Have you seen the discussion about the Founder field [[Template talk:Wiki#Author and about pages.3F|above]]? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:39, 30 October 2006 (EST)

: I didn't read that discussion on the author, All I realy did with this template was find every template that looked like it was something that was taken out of the Wiki template because of the former lack of complex functions and re-introduce it in a manor that couldn't have been done before. Note that By using No the founder row not only is blank and doesn't categorize anything, but the space it takes also disappears completely. [[User:Dantman|Dantman]] 20:41, 30 October 2006 (EST)

* Apply <nowiki><div style="white-space:nowrap;"></div></nowiki> to external links - '''''Complete'''''

* Remove redundant linebreaks within includeonly section that make an empty paragraph appear on top of every page where the template is used - '''''Complete'''''

Well, I've noticed that some wikis out there (like [[TV Tropes]] and [[TYPE-MOON Wiki]]) use rectangular logos instead of conventional square ones. If you visit their articles, you'll see that it really messes up the the infobox. I tried tweaking the parameters and find some smart trick to compensate for it but to no avail, so I was thinking about adding a boolean parameter "wide_logo" which, if set, places the logo at the top of the infobox, and the external links directly below it:

===[[Template:Wiki/5|Wiki/5]]===

'''Proposed Changes:'''

* Change 1 - ''status 1''

* Change 2 - ''status 2''

* etc

Aftet thge upgrade to MediaWiki [[Special:Version|1.9.''something'']], images can not be hotlinked. Either, we’ll make up a solution, or we must re-setup the hotlinking. &ndash; [[Smiddle]]/<small>[[Talk:Smiddle|T]][[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]]</small> 11:48, 26 February 2007 (PST)

:Probably just turned off inadvertently during the setup. &mdash;&nbsp;<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 19:43, 26 February 2007 (PST)

:::Currently, it doesn't seem to work. Given that the instructions seem to favor uploading the image, I have in several instances uploaded a logo which had formerly been hotlinked. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 16:20, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

You should really [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Template:Wiki&action=protect protect this template more]. All a potential vandal need do is register, edit this, and <big>BAM!</big> The entire wiki is affected. That could seriously hurt.&mdash;[[User:Supuhstar|<span style="font-family:Neuropol; color:#AA0000">'''''Supuhstar'''''</span>]][[User_talk:Supuhstar|<span style="font-family:Neuropol; color:#AA0000">'''''*'''''</span>]][[Image:Supuhstar(SupuhSmall).gif]] 01:04, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

I reverted the addition of this parameter. This is not because I disagree with its inclusion. Rather, it appeared not to work right in certain cases. Specifically, it caused problems with [[Hitchwiki]] and [[Marvel Universe]]. I could not ascertain why the template failed in those instances, but not in others. Oddly, even now that I've reverted the template, these articles are still messed up. I'm not sure if my browser is failing to refresh the page, even though I'm forcing it to do so. Or, perhaps changes to the template take a while to broadcast, as nonsensical as that sounds. In any event, I thought it would be better to revert the changes until the kinks are worked out. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 16:26, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

:::: Does it work now in a way you're comfortable with? hope so; should do...--[[User:Speckmade|Speckmade]] 19:12, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

suggest add to the template one space for "wikistats ID number"

Is there any reason why whitespace is set to 'nowrap' for the URLs?  On articles with long names, it makes the infobox very wide, and can be quite overpowering on smaller screens.  Here is an example - [[Srpskohrvatski Wikipedija / Српскохрватски Википедија]].  Discuss please :)  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] 16:07, 21 June 2011 (PDT)

:It makes autoformatting much easier in the vast majority of cases. In cases where the title is excessively long, the boolean parameter "wide_logo" should be used to force the URLs to appear under the logo. If that's still not enough, the title should be artificially broken into two lines with a &lt;br/&gt; tag in the "name" parameter. [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Srpskohrvatski_Wikipedija_%2F_%D0%A1%D1%80%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%85%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0&diff=84445&oldid=84298 Like this.] --[[User:Koveras|Koveras]] 03:11, 23 June 2011 (PDT)

:::The aversion is there because a wiki title, as a single mnemonic unit, should normally not be broken, even if it stretches the infobox out a little. Also, "one link = one line" formatting is easy to digest, which is why the template normally strives to preserve it. If it obviously doesn't work, then it should be corrected manually, but such cases are rare... --[[User:Koveras|Koveras]] 14:26, 23 June 2011 (PDT)

The problem with embedding a DEFAULTSORT within this template is that it means that you cannot then override it elsewhere in the wiki's entry. Consequently, we have several wikis sorted by the unhelpful word "The". --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 19:18, 12 July 2011 (PDT)

: I've tried renaming a few articles listed on here - like [[The Ferry Wiki]] to [[Ferry Wiki, The]], but keep the <code>name</code> line as 'The Ferry Wiki' — but this still sorts it in categories under the letter '''T'''.  Maybe the {{template|wiki}} template needs looking at again, because it doesn't look very good sorted like this :/ rgds, --[[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 05:21, 17 January 2012 (PST)

I've removed the DEFAULTSORT from the template . . . IMVHO, it would seem to be a very bad idea to permanently embed this in a template . . . the DEFAULTSORT magic word should be used only as an optional tool.  The PAGENAME should be used as the default way of sorting pages in categories, not a template field.  The 'name' template field should merely be used for 'prettyfying' any article page names which - say - begin with 'The'.  Anyway, it was a BOLD edit to the template, and could potentially have disastrous results . . . so keep checking for any undesirable consequences from its removal, and revert my edit if needs be.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • _{[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]} • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 10:39, 20 November 2012 (PST)

Why is "name" a required field when the name of the wiki is pretty much always the page title? It seems quite redundant. '''[[User talk:Elassint|Elassint]]''', 08 15 2011

:Probably for when two wikis have the same name or else to properly refer to wikis which have "The" in the title. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 14:30, 15 August 2011 (PDT)

It would probably be better to support putting multiple languages, much as MediaWiki.org allows multiple hooks to be specified in its [[mw:Template:Extension/doc#Usage]]. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 03:28, 13 September 2012 (PDT)

:Is that a specific MW extension that needs to be installed?  According to [[Special:Version|this]], I can't find anything similar in the list.  I'm not sure I'd support this . . . identical wikis of different languages (ie, en.wikipedia.org, it.wikipedia.org, ru.wikipedia.org) will all have their own separate article listing here on WikiIndex, with their 'mother' category or article using the {{tl|MultilingualMain}} template (rather than the default {{tl|Wiki}}).  For those genuinely single wikis which are multilingual (such as this [[WikiIndex]]), I think the current infobox lead language of 'Multilingual', followed by individual languages listed by tagging in prose or separate 'categories' at the bottom of the edit box will suffice.  However, I remain open to this, and wait others opinions too.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 04:40, 20 September 2012 (PDT)

For populating the [[mw:Manual:interwiki table|interwiki table]], it would also be useful to have parameters for [[mw:Manual:Interwiki_table#iw_prefix|iw_prefix]], [[mw:Manual:Interwiki_table#iw_url|iw_url]], and [[mw:Manual:Interwiki_table#iw_api|iw_api]]. iw_url can probably be inferred in many cases from the recentchanges URL, or maybe there is some other way that an automated script can figure it out. iw_api can be retrieved via [[wikipedia:Really Simple Discovery|Really Simple Discovery]].

It all depends on how you want to store data, and whether you want users to be able to edit it. My guess is that you probably don't want users to edit data that is retrieved by bots, because they'll likely degrade its accuracy rather than improve it. Also, having all those templates with so many parameters could fatigue users. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 22:45, 21 November 2012 (PST)

The about URL parameter isn't working properly for those pages that don't provide it; see [[Ardapedia (German)]]. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 07:11, 30 November 2012 (PST)

:That's relatively easy to fix with a bot action.  It simply reqires the blank <code>|about URL = </code> to be added to existing articles.  A more serious problem is when the <tt>wide logo</tt> switch is used, it makes the infobox the full width of the screen!! - eg: [[Wikia Community Central (en)]] . . . as Bob would ask - "can you fix it" <small>(search 'Bob the Builder' on YouTube)</small> ??  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • _{[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]} • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 12:31, 30 November 2012 (PST)

::That would be great if we had a bot. Failing that, why don't we make it an optional parameter? --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] ([[User talk:MarvelZuvembie|talk]]) 16:49, 8 January 2013 (PST)

:::[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] - do you have any experience with bots and/or the intricate template code required to make it optional?  Sadly, they are both beyond my capabilities :(  Best, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • _{[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]} • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 13:18, 29 January 2013 (PST)