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: Update: [[mw:Release notes/1.20|1.20.4]] is the very latest version, and [[mw:Release notes/1.19|1.19.5]] is the latest of the '1.19' branch.  1.19.5 seems to include a few security updates over our current version.  If you arn't inclined to go down the latest 1.20 version, then at least upgrade to 1.19.5  -- :)  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 12:28, 21 April 2013 (PDT)
: Update: [[mw:Release notes/1.20|1.20.4]] is the very latest version, and [[mw:Release notes/1.19|1.19.5]] is the latest of the '1.19' branch.  1.19.5 seems to include a few security updates over our current version.  If you arn't inclined to go down the latest 1.20 version, then at least upgrade to 1.19.5  -- :)  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 12:28, 21 April 2013 (PDT)
::Sean is correct &mdash; 1.20.4 is the latest stable release of MediaWiki (as of now; the [[mw:Download|Download page at MediaWiki.org]] has always the most up-to-date information about the latest stable release), and since WikiIndex's versions of PHP and MySQL are compatible with 1.20 branch, there's no need to be running the 1.19 branch and we should be able to safely upgrade to 1.20. Running the latest stable release is a good idea, not just in terms of features, but also in terms of security (although there haven't been any huge security flaws in MediaWiki recently, but still). --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 06:44, 28 April 2013 (PDT)


== Images ==
== Images ==
# Favicon - [[File:WI Favicon.png]] — ''Pro'' - it is awesome ~~ [[MarkDilley]]  ''Con'' - Can it be keys?  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
# Favicon - [[File:WI Favicon.png]] — ''Pro'' - it is awesome ~~ [[MarkDilley]]  ''Con'' - Can it be keys?  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
## Keys would be lost in an image which is 6mm (quarter inch) square.  And who outside of regular WikiIndex editors/readers would understand what the keys meant?  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 01:55, 22 April 2013 (PDT)  -- ''It was a keys favicon for the first few years.  Maybe I am being sentimental. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] ''
## Keys would be lost in an image which is 6mm (quarter inch) square.  And who outside of regular WikiIndex editors/readers would understand what the keys meant?  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 01:55, 22 April 2013 (PDT)  -- ''It was a keys favicon for the first few years.  Maybe I am being sentimental. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] ''
###I'd also ''like'' the keys, but it's unfortunately not very reasonable, given the insanely small size of favicons. Wikipedia's favicon, for example, is the very recognizable "W" letter, so I think the "WI" image would be good for WikiIndex. --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 06:44, 28 April 2013 (PDT)
# http://wikiapiary.com/w/images/wikiapiary/b/b4/Monitored_by_WikiApiary.png — [http://WikiApiary.com/wiki/WikiApiary:Monitored_by WikiApiary:Monitored by]
# http://wikiapiary.com/w/images/wikiapiary/b/b4/Monitored_by_WikiApiary.png — [http://WikiApiary.com/wiki/WikiApiary:Monitored_by WikiApiary:Monitored by]
## Why???
## Why???
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# [[mw:Extension:AbuseFilter]] — ''Pro:'' as discussed [[User talk:Elassint#Spammers - and new account names|here]] and [[Jack]] suggested using this. - ''Con:'' needs [[mw:Extension:AntiSpoof]] (which we don't currently have)
# [[mw:Extension:AbuseFilter]] — ''Pro:'' as discussed [[User talk:Elassint#Spammers - and new account names|here]] and [[Jack]] suggested using this. - ''Con:'' needs [[mw:Extension:AntiSpoof]] (which we don't currently have)
##AntiSpoof is a very useful extension to install, too, so it's hardly a ''con'', more like a ''pro''. --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 06:44, 28 April 2013 (PDT)
## # [[mw:Extension:AntiSpoof]] — ''Pro:'' we need this if we also want [[mw:Extension:AbuseFilter]]
## # [[mw:Extension:AntiSpoof]] — ''Pro:'' we need this if we also want [[mw:Extension:AbuseFilter]]
# [[mw:Extension:SimpleAntiSpam]] — ''Pro:'' [[Jack]] suggested using this
# [[mw:Extension:SimpleAntiSpam]] — ''Pro:'' [[Jack]] suggested using this
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##I think it is really important, since some admins spend almost a whole day blocking new accounts. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 02:45, 13 April 2013 (PDT)
##I think it is really important, since some admins spend almost a whole day blocking new accounts. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 02:45, 13 April 2013 (PDT)
# [[mw:Extension:NoBogusUserpages]] — ''Pro:'' - would obviate the need to police User: (IP address) pages since they cannot be created by anyone except the legitimate user of the IP - ''Con'' - would not stop spammer from posting spam on the User IP page if that is their actual IP.
# [[mw:Extension:NoBogusUserpages]] — ''Pro:'' - would obviate the need to police User: (IP address) pages since they cannot be created by anyone except the legitimate user of the IP - ''Con'' - would not stop spammer from posting spam on the User IP page if that is their actual IP.
##Spambots aren't (thankfully) very intelligent; usually they create a (bogus) User: page and a main namespace with the same title, i.e. <code>User:FooBar123</code> and <code>FooBar123</code>. In my experience, this type of spam is commonly done by IP addresses as opposed to registered users. As such, installing the NoBogusUserpages extension would cut down this type of spam by 50%, which isn't a bad rate at all. The code is simple enough that it should work even with the latest version of MediaWiki. --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 06:44, 28 April 2013 (PDT)


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# [[mw:Extension:Nuke]] — ''Pro:'' allows sysops to delete numerous pages as one - ''Con:'' Not necessary, since those spams are from different usernames and IPs. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 21:29, 13 April 2013 (PDT) - so I will strike this if this is correct.
# [[mw:Extension:Nuke]] — ''Pro:'' allows sysops to delete numerous pages as one - ''Con:'' Not necessary, since those spams are from different usernames and IPs. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 21:29, 13 April 2013 (PDT) - so I will strike this if this is correct.
##Comment: can't agree [[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] - we have had many instances in the past where certain prolific religious spammers create masses of pages from one user account (though I accept we ''seem'' to have this under control at the moment).  Just because we have a particular extension installed, it doesn't mean we have to actually use it!  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 01:49, 22 April 2013 (PDT)
##Comment: can't agree [[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] - we have had many instances in the past where certain prolific religious spammers create masses of pages from one user account (though I accept we ''seem'' to have this under control at the moment).  Just because we have a particular extension installed, it doesn't mean we have to actually use it!  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 01:49, 22 April 2013 (PDT)
###Definitely install Nuke, just like with the CheckUser extension, there shouldn't be any discussion or debate about this. It's a very useful extension for deleting spam, vandalism and just misguided humans' creations. Sure, it's not useful for each and every spam case, but it definitely helps us humans to focus on the content creation instead of just cleaning up after spambots. --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 06:44, 28 April 2013 (PDT)


==Account creation protection==
==Account creation protection==
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### Don't think so.  The default config is for only Bureaucrats to control this, but permissions can also be granted to Sysops - so as long as we have a regular patrol of sysops - this should work well.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 02:01, 22 April 2013 (PDT)
### Don't think so.  The default config is for only Bureaucrats to control this, but permissions can also be granted to Sysops - so as long as we have a regular patrol of sysops - this should work well.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 02:01, 22 April 2013 (PDT)
#### So if not something sysops or bureaucrats can change, I want us to take the next smallest steps to trying to solve the problem and it feels like confirm edit is a big hammer, so I would like to try this after all these other extensions are tried. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
#### So if not something sysops or bureaucrats can change, I want us to take the next smallest steps to trying to solve the problem and it feels like confirm edit is a big hammer, so I would like to try this after all these other extensions are tried. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
#####ConfirmAccount is useful for (semi-)private wikis, but I think it'd be overkill for WikiIndex and it's most likely repel plenty of new and eager human editors. Sure, it'd be effective in stopping spambots, but at what cost? --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 06:44, 28 April 2013 (PDT)


==General housekeeping==
==General housekeeping==
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# Change default email for WikiIndex messages.  Right now it is it coming from John Stanton's personal email and he is not active here anymore.
# Change default email for WikiIndex messages.  Right now it is it coming from John Stanton's personal email and he is not active here anymore.
##The associated global variable is [[mw:Manual:$wgPasswordSender|$wgPasswordSender]]. --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 06:44, 28 April 2013 (PDT)
# [[mw:Extension:Admin Links]] — ''Pro:'' anything to help sysops has gotta be a bonus - ''Con:'' grumpy sysops if you don't :p
# [[mw:Extension:Admin Links]] — ''Pro:'' anything to help sysops has gotta be a bonus - ''Con:'' grumpy sysops if you don't :p
#Change the default timestamp to UTC — ''Pro:'' the default for all MediaWiki edit operations is recorded in UTC, and WikiIndex ought to be a 'global' resource by aligning to UTC (and I don't understand why my timestamps have to display PDT????)  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 04:59, 22 April 2013 (PDT)
#Change the default timestamp to UTC — ''Pro:'' the default for all MediaWiki edit operations is recorded in UTC, and WikiIndex ought to be a 'global' resource by aligning to UTC (and I don't understand why my timestamps have to display PDT????)  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 04:59, 22 April 2013 (PDT)
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# [[mw:Extension:Maps]] — ''Pro:'' this would be really good for our City-Wiki entries, uses maps from more than one source (Google, Yahoo, OpenStreetMaps, etc) - ''Con:'' Any?
# [[mw:Extension:Maps]] — ''Pro:'' this would be really good for our City-Wiki entries, uses maps from more than one source (Google, Yahoo, OpenStreetMaps, etc) - ''Con:'' Any?
# [[mw:Extension:SpecialUserScore]] — ''Pro:'' it just lists edit counts of people (something interesting for stats geeks) and it helps people to see who is building WikiIndex - ''Con:'' probably doesn't add any real value to WikiIndex
# [[mw:Extension:SpecialUserScore]] — ''Pro:'' it just lists edit counts of people (something interesting for stats geeks) and it helps people to see who is building WikiIndex - ''Con:'' probably doesn't add any real value to WikiIndex
##IIRC this extension is rather server-heavy... --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 06:44, 28 April 2013 (PDT)
# [[mw:Extension:LastUserLogin]] — ''Pro:'' would let us know a person's activity and it helps people to see who is building WikiIndex.  - ''Con:'' Why?????  Either use [[Special:RecentChanges]], or if you want to watch a specific user, add them to your watchlist :/  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 02:39, 22 April 2013 (PDT)  ''Con:'' timestamps in wiki are pretty useless from my view, something to try to change, best if we could find documentation so dev could check into it easily. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
# [[mw:Extension:LastUserLogin]] — ''Pro:'' would let us know a person's activity and it helps people to see who is building WikiIndex.  - ''Con:'' Why?????  Either use [[Special:RecentChanges]], or if you want to watch a specific user, add them to your watchlist :/  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 02:39, 22 April 2013 (PDT)  ''Con:'' timestamps in wiki are pretty useless from my view, something to try to change, best if we could find documentation so dev could check into it easily. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
# <s>[[mw:Extension:Labeled Section Transclusion]]</s> — ''Pro:'' would help select a part to transclusion and we need it for the relationship among [[Template:Wiki]],[[Template:Wiki boilerplate]], [[Template:NewWiki boilerplate]], and [[Community Portal]].--[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 05:00, 13 April 2013 (PDT)  - ''Con:'' I'm not convinced.  This seems to work well on Wikipedia, which relies heavily on linking between articles.  Here on WikiIndex, we rarely link between articles, and [[Template:NewWiki boilerplate]] is obsolete (whichever 'boilerplate' is used, be they the [[Template:Wikia boilerplate|Wikia version]] or any of the language-specific versions, they all call on just one template - [[Template:Wiki]] to render the infobox).  So not needed.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 02:39, 22 April 2013 (PDT)
# <s>[[mw:Extension:Labeled Section Transclusion]]</s> — ''Pro:'' would help select a part to transclusion and we need it for the relationship among [[Template:Wiki]],[[Template:Wiki boilerplate]], [[Template:NewWiki boilerplate]], and [[Community Portal]].--[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 05:00, 13 April 2013 (PDT)  - ''Con:'' I'm not convinced.  This seems to work well on Wikipedia, which relies heavily on linking between articles.  Here on WikiIndex, we rarely link between articles, and [[Template:NewWiki boilerplate]] is obsolete (whichever 'boilerplate' is used, be they the [[Template:Wikia boilerplate|Wikia version]] or any of the language-specific versions, they all call on just one template - [[Template:Wiki]] to render the infobox).  So not needed.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 02:39, 22 April 2013 (PDT)
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1) Sometimes people get their sidebar reset to MediaWiki standard.  I have had it happen myself just recently as well.  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
1) Sometimes people get their sidebar reset to MediaWiki standard.  I have had it happen myself just recently as well.  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
: This is most apparent between when you are logged in or logged out.  I don't think it is specific to any browser - I use either IE8, Firefox, Chrome or Maxthon 3 - and they all do it. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 03:49, 20 March 2013 (PDT)
: This is most apparent between when you are logged in or logged out.  I don't think it is specific to any browser - I use either IE8, Firefox, Chrome or Maxthon 3 - and they all do it. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 03:49, 20 March 2013 (PDT)
:It's a (mem)cache failure usually, I believe. Maybe someone should look into WikiIndex's caching setup and see if there's a way to make it more robust. --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 06:44, 28 April 2013 (PDT)


2) Atom feed (on Android devices) - seems to lag a few 'edits' behind current desktop version.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 03:49, 20 March 2013 (PDT)
2) Atom feed (on Android devices) - seems to lag a few 'edits' behind current desktop version.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 03:49, 20 March 2013 (PDT)
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