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::The core of what you have written, though, "children can make sufficiently informed decisions about non-physically harmful sexual acts from birth," is something you made up, invented, and certainly not based on extensive interactions with small children. It's a sexual libertarian fantasy, and one that, acted out, would lead to heavy social sanction. Small children have practically no clue about sexuality, and generally treat whatever adults do with them as acceptable, if the adults are their caregivers. So any social worker seeing what you wrote will *assume* that you would test your theories, and that you are therefore a danger to children. | ::The core of what you have written, though, "children can make sufficiently informed decisions about non-physically harmful sexual acts from birth," is something you made up, invented, and certainly not based on extensive interactions with small children. It's a sexual libertarian fantasy, and one that, acted out, would lead to heavy social sanction. Small children have practically no clue about sexuality, and generally treat whatever adults do with them as acceptable, if the adults are their caregivers. So any social worker seeing what you wrote will *assume* that you would test your theories, and that you are therefore a danger to children. | ||
::You do not know the full impact of sexual contact between children and adults, you ''imagine'' what it is, out of what you want to be true. I know of no culture that tolerates clear adult-child sex, that's probably a clue. But even if it were found that some did, that would not change the situation where you and your family live. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 01:20, 5 May 2014 (UTC) | ::You do not know the full impact of sexual contact between children and adults, you ''imagine'' what it is, out of what you want to be true. I know of no culture that tolerates clear adult-child sex, that's probably a clue. But even if it were found that some did, that would not change the situation where you and your family live. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 01:20, 5 May 2014 (UTC) | ||
:::Yeah, but what can I do. It's in my nature to defend liberty by posting commentary about my ideas, and to put those ideas into practice when I can and when there's even the slightest chance of getting away with it. I refuse to allow such an opportunity to pass by, merely because I was afraid of persecution being inflicted on me or others. I wrote about this at http://nathania.org/wiki/Miscellany:My_future [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 01:35, 5 May 2014 (UTC) | :::Yeah, but what can I do. It's in my nature to defend liberty by posting commentary about my ideas, and to put those ideas into practice when I can and when there's even the slightest chance of getting away with it. I refuse to allow such an opportunity to pass by, merely because I was afraid of persecution being inflicted on me or others. I wrote about this at http://nathania.org/wiki/Miscellany:My_future | ||
:::Oberon writes, with regard to [http://theshatteredpan.org/wiki/Essay:I_don%27t_think_I_was_molested_or_raped_at_nine my wife's comments], "Let me say it takes courage to say what Augustine said about her sexual encounter at nine. I have told Nate that at twelve I went looking for an older sexual partner and found one. I was the initiator of our sexual encounter and do not see myself as abused or damaged goods in any way. I wish someone would have taken me by the hand at ten or younger. I would not have wanted to be forced but if they had my concern in mind and wished to show me pleasure, I do not think I would have had a problem with discovering sex a few years earlier with someone more knowledgeable. Good for you, Augustine. I have always said 'Rape is rape' and 'Rape is wrong' but not all sex is rape. Sex is one of those things that everyone overreacts to. They get the idea that it is dirty or wrong when it is not, so it is easy to go alone with finger pointing and blaming when there should be no need to. Things will not change, I believe, until more people stand up and say 'I was not abused; all I had was sex and it was not wrong or dirty, no matter if I was nine, ten, twelve, or whatever age, as long as I wanted to do it.' I hope you gave someone else the courage to say the same. There should be a 'I was not abused' website for people to post their positive or at least non-negative sexual encounters with older people." | |||
:::In order for people to speak out in the way he describes, there has to be an older person introducing them to these experiences. Who am I refrain from making that happen, with the consent of the persons involved? Far be it from me to get in the way of progress, or to be a bystander when I had the opportunity to intervene in a positive way. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 01:35, 5 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
::::It's not in your "nature," Nathan, it's something you made up. And "getting away with it" betrays your attitude, and you have just acknowledged that you don't care who is harmed, which would include that child, and you value your ideas more than the child. You are ''not'' defending liberty, but license, or it's more complicated, you are setting yourself up for more "persecution," which, again ''you create.'' You are like someone who teases a bear, to see if they can "get away with it." Anyway, you've been informed, I'm out of here. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 01:52, 5 May 2014 (UTC) | ::::It's not in your "nature," Nathan, it's something you made up. And "getting away with it" betrays your attitude, and you have just acknowledged that you don't care who is harmed, which would include that child, and you value your ideas more than the child. You are ''not'' defending liberty, but license, or it's more complicated, you are setting yourself up for more "persecution," which, again ''you create.'' You are like someone who teases a bear, to see if they can "get away with it." Anyway, you've been informed, I'm out of here. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 01:52, 5 May 2014 (UTC) | ||
:::::Why do you make a big deal about people's making things up? You made up everything you just wrote; it's called "composition". But it was in your nature to write it, so you did. | |||
:::::Sometimes ''not'' to act is more harmful than acting. At any rate, if the kid doesn't want something bad to happen, then he can (1) refrain from engaging in the illegal activity that will lead to the unpleasant consequences if discovered, or (2) keep his mouth shut when [http://childwiki.net/wiki/Child_Protective_Services bad people] ask about what happened. If the government doesn't want something bad to happen, then it can change the laws or refrain from enforcing them. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 02:03, 5 May 2014 (UTC) | |||