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::Hoof Hearted, thanks for the welcome. Nathan just reverted some deletion tags, [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=MZMcBride&curid=42729&diff=177249&oldid=176243], [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Nemo_bis&curid=42728&diff=177251&oldid=176233]. (To be fair, he also reverted one he had placed himself: [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Category:OptOut&curid=4716&diff=177250&oldid=176248]). The involved pages show the problem. Nathan, from his history, is likely to use Wikiindex to "expose" those he thinks have harmed him. And he wants to use Wikiindex to criticize other wikis, that is why he'd want to remove the opt out category. He may also be deliberately provocative, attracting what we saw here for a while, vandals and trolls going after him. The latter is a difficult problem, and I would most agree with your protective stance around that, but ... it is ''also'' an issue that he essentially trolls ''them.'' | ::Hoof Hearted, thanks for the welcome. Nathan just reverted some deletion tags, [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=MZMcBride&curid=42729&diff=177249&oldid=176243], [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Nemo_bis&curid=42728&diff=177251&oldid=176233]. (To be fair, he also reverted one he had placed himself: [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Category:OptOut&curid=4716&diff=177250&oldid=176248]). The involved pages show the problem. Nathan, from his history, is likely to use Wikiindex to "expose" those he thinks have harmed him. And he wants to use Wikiindex to criticize other wikis, that is why he'd want to remove the opt out category. He may also be deliberately provocative, attracting what we saw here for a while, vandals and trolls going after him. The latter is a difficult problem, and I would most agree with your protective stance around that, but ... it is ''also'' an issue that he essentially trolls ''them.'' | ||
::The deletion tags show a structural issue. If there are no administrators regularly checking for deletion requests, granting where appropriate and removing where appropriate, there can be harmful content left on-wiki for a long time. It can cause damage. I placed those tags because I wanted to know if Wikiindex will tolerate pages that, without their permission, document individuals. The articles themselves were relatively harmless, in themselves, indeed I'd consider them utterly boring, except that they can later be edited to be not-so-harmless, once the principle is established that biographies of non-notable living persons are legitimate here. These are not wikis, they are not wiki founders or anything other relatively low-level administrators, MZMcbride being the administrator who last blocked him on the [[Meta-Wiki]]. I'm currently documenting, on that wiki, what is starting to look like a clear case of extended steward abuse. Should I bring that here? An article on the steward? That's a much higher level functionary than the administrators Nathan wrote about. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 00:48, 6 May 2014 (UTC) | ::The deletion tags show a structural issue. If there are no administrators regularly checking for deletion requests, granting where appropriate and removing where appropriate, there can be harmful content left on-wiki for a long time. It can cause damage. I placed those tags because I wanted to know if Wikiindex will tolerate pages that, without their permission, document individuals. The articles themselves were relatively harmless, in themselves, indeed I'd consider them utterly boring, except that they can later be edited to be not-so-harmless, once the principle is established that biographies of non-notable living persons are legitimate here. These are not wikis, they are not wiki founders or anything other relatively low-level administrators, MZMcbride being the administrator who last blocked him on the [[Meta-Wiki]]. I'm currently documenting, on that wiki, what is starting to look like a clear case of extended steward abuse. Should I bring that here? An article on the steward? That's a much higher level functionary than the administrators Nathan wrote about. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 00:48, 6 May 2014 (UTC) | ||
:::I would see nothing wrong with writing such an article. On Meta-Wiki, you might not have as much free speech, because they could claim to see your continued complaints about the matter as disruptive or harassing. But [http://journalism.about.com/od/ethicsprofessionalism/a/What-Is-The-Difference-Between-Public-Relations-And-Journalism.htm the story isn't complete without interviewing the people who are most affected by the action being taken]. Who will interview you? No one, because they don't care or they've already been kicked off Meta. | |||
:::So, the involved party (i.e. you) has to put on his journalist hat and write an account of the situation from his point of view. But as we saw in my case, such essays are not welcome at Meta. However, you could post a lengthier account to your bliki (or other website) and summarize it on a relevant page here. Then others could fact-check your claims and edit your summary if needed to make sure it fairly presents what happened and gives both sides of the story. | |||
:::There never was a requirement that a person be a wiki founder in order to have an article about him posted here. He merely needed to be a "wiki person". Anyone who has ever edited a wiki might fall in that category, if it's broadly construed. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 01:25, 6 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
== What RONR has to say about attacking a member's motives == | == What RONR has to say about attacking a member's motives == | ||