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:::Are you and [[:User:Sweetie Belle]] an 'item'?? <wink, wink> :ppp  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 16:20, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
:::Are you and [[:User:Sweetie Belle]] an 'item'?? <wink, wink> :ppp  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 16:20, 4 August 2014 (UTC)


==[[:Category:Wiki Status]] / [[Template:WikiStatus]]==
moved to -> http://wikiindex.org/WikiIndex_talk:Community_portal#Category:Wiki_Status_.2F_Template:WikiStatus)
The stati 'Dead' and 'Inactive' are the same! What is the use of that? And is there a reason to delete a wiki entry altogether? --[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 19:11, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 
:Dead might mean the wiki is no longer there.  Inactive might mean that it is dusty, in that case Needs Love is a better status.  Again, you find inconsistencies... please feel free to offer solutions! :-)  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
 
:: OK, I changed the description of Inactive to something not active for a year or longer. Somebody has to confirm 1 Year and update the rest of languages somehow. I did en, de, es, and fr. sv I can't and the others I do not even know their names ;-)
:: BTW: I changed colour of [[:Category:Dead]] to black B-) --[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:00, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 
:::IIRC, from the may discussions from many different editors here, that [[:Category:Inactive]] should be depreciated, and we just use [[:Category:Dead]] for those permanently vanished, but use [[:Category:Dormant]].  Whilst dictionary definition for 'inactive' ''might'' describe ''some'' wikis; ie: 'idle' - the literal meaning of 'inactive' is whereby there are short periods of - say downtime.  Dictionary definition for general adjective of 'dormant' has two complimentary meanings - 1. "quiet and inactive, as in sleep", 2. "latent or inoperative".  A further biological definition of 'dormant' means: "alive but in a resting torpid condition with no growth".  So 'dormant' basically means a lack of any activity for longer periods of time - hence why I personally prefer Dormant over Inactive for wikis which are still reachable, but havn't been edited for a long time.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 12:27, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 
:::: Great! Than lets check 850 Wikis and sort them into one of the not depriciated cats ;-)[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 16:11, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::After you, Sir! :ppp
:::::I think most of those will have been categorised into Inactive by changing their respective [[:Category:Infobox templates|infobox template]] from {{template|Wiki}} to {{template|Inactive}}.  I could run a [[Special:ReplaceText]] to change the first line (which is what was done previously in reverse, albeit manually on a wiki-by-wiki basis) - but that would then leave the status field open to major errors. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 16:35, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
OK, run the replace for the first line only. Whatever remains in the [[:Category:Inactive]] will have to be checked manually. Actually I expect a resurrection 1 out of 100 ;-)[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 17:29, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 
:That isn't the best idea.  If one does run the automated text replacement, they'll be no way of checking which ones are dead and which are dormant.  I honestly think they all need to be done manually :(((  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 19:21, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
:: OK [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 19:31, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
:: I knew it: Only 19 'inactive' entries checked and already found one active! :-)[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:33, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 
:::I second what Sean said, manual is the way to go. Regarding "Dead" vs. "Inactive", no consensus was ever established on which to use. We've been using both simultaneously. I again reiterate that we should NOT populate active categories with dead wikis! So, since you are changing these wikis over from the Inactive template to the regular Wiki template with a "Dead" status, please blank the main topic parameter. Thanks! --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] ([[User talk:MarvelZuvembie|talk]]) 01:35, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 
:::: So, You reiterate we should....not...Better You substantiate with arguments. I do not agree with that. To shift from inactive to dead is not a loss of information but a clarification. The 'blanking' of category information is a loss of information. Then one could delete the entries of dead wikis as well. But I understood, that I do not have a licence to kill here. Userpages of spammers get deleted but no wiki entries ever. If an entry should be preserved it should also be traceable. So, cats should remain connected with them. There is no use of not killing the entry if I kill the information that leads to the entry. So, what is so bad about this 'population'?[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 01:52, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 
:::::The problem is that an index of dead wikis is about as useful as a phone book from 1965. It's of historical interest, but little practical use. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] ([[User talk:MarvelZuvembie|talk]]) 02:10, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 
::::: I do keep old phone books. ;-) In fact it is a speciality of my home town to issue an address book. I collect those of different years and I use them once in a while. I'm paying prices for really old ones. I'm afraid Your phone-book allegory did not serve Your purpose very well because real phone books take real space which kept category tags do not take at all.[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 11:06, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 
::::::That said, I am in favor of keeping listings for dead wikis. It shows how hard it is to keep one going, how many fall by the wayside, and what topics have sprung up over time. I'm just not in favor of including dead wikis in categories. This has been status quo here for years. That's not to say that we can't change it, but should we? --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] ([[User talk:MarvelZuvembie|talk]]) 02:16, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 
:::::: So again You iterate Your distaste for leaving the dead wikis in their categories. But where is the argument to act upon? In order to delete or hide information in a wiki one needs quite a good argument. That should be more than "I do not see the use". You need to explain the specific danger or burden of relatively high weight. A distaste will not do.[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 11:06, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 
[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] – I've got other work to do right now, so I'll try and answer your concerns later today.  Prod me if I forget!  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 11:43, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 
===[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]]s concerns===
You may well be right that no 'formal' concensus has ever been reached over the Dead vs Inactive debate (but then we arn't Wikipedia!).  However, even going back to 2006 I noticed some of the founding editors of WikiIndex questioning the wisdom of using the term 'inactive' (and the categorisation of the same) for genuinely dead wiki.  I have had MANY other editors question me (either on my or their talk page, or maybe on the category or template talk page) over the same issue.  It seems very clear to me that this issue needs to be answered one way or the other.  I would have to say that there is maybe a kind of 'organic' concensus to support much more clarity over this; and being as Mark tells everyone to [[BeBold]] (and indeed, above in this very conversation, he states NeedsLove is more appropriate than Inactive) — I have done just that!
 
Re the 'Dead' issue — I have never found any previous concensus on the need to basically obliterate all identifying features of a dead wiki – such as its wiki engine, language, etc.  I am especially concerned that the present way also assigns both its logo and its subject matter into Room 101!!!!  Our current way of identifying 'Inactive' wikis (which use [[Template:Inactive]]) is about as useful as an ashtray on a MotoGP motorbike!  The name of the wiki, with NO other identifying features – what use is that?  It is also massively biased towards [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]] wikis – those never die, they just fester and rot into eternity – but are (now) being categorised into [[:Category:Dormant]].  Whereas, other smaller wiki farms might not have the resources to keep abandoned wiki alive are forced to delete them – hence [[:Category:Dead]].
 
I also have very deep concerns about deleting the subject matter from dead wiki – what is the rationale for that?????  BTW, I'm not having a personal attack at you MarvelZuvembie – I'm just tired and frustrated on why we seem to keep going back to the lowest common, historical denominator!  I have massive respect for your input here. :))))  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 11:43, 5 August 2014 (UTC)


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