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::Nobody said it was 3RR. It was not, however, BRD. He has not over-reacted. As to "healthy debate," Nathan, you call all debate "healthy." But the purpose of the wiki is *not* debate. The purpose does require, at times, discussion, which can become debate, i.e., two sides, each arguing strenuously that they are right. | ::Nobody said it was 3RR. It was not, however, BRD. He has not over-reacted. As to "healthy debate," Nathan, you call all debate "healthy." But the purpose of the wiki is *not* debate. The purpose does require, at times, discussion, which can become debate, i.e., two sides, each arguing strenuously that they are right. | ||
::BRD: Bold action, Reverted, so Discuss. On the proposed policy, you took bold action, too bold. You labelled a proposed policy a "policy." That was coming out of your consistent WP:POINT violations. I reverted, started discussion, and you reverted back. On our equivalent to a noticeboard, there was a disruptive request that you be banned, from an IP editor. You responded, because you love fracas. I removed that, because if you are going to be banned, it should not be at the prompting of an IP troll or lunatic. I don't think it's necessary to ban you, and Arcane has not suggested it. So, following some basic principles, I removed the discussion. You reverted. That could be interpreted as BRD. However, you did not discuss. (I.e., my removal was Bold, you Reverted). --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 14:34, 6 January 2015 (UTC) | ::BRD: Bold action, Reverted, so Discuss. On the proposed policy, you took bold action, too bold. You labelled a proposed policy a "policy." That was coming out of your consistent WP:POINT violations. I reverted, started discussion, and you reverted back. On our equivalent to a noticeboard, there was a disruptive request that you be banned, from an IP editor. You responded, because you love fracas. I removed that, because if you are going to be banned, it should not be at the prompting of an IP troll or lunatic. I don't think it's necessary to ban you, and Arcane has not suggested it. So, following some basic principles, I removed the discussion. You reverted. That could be interpreted as BRD. However, you did not discuss. (I.e., my removal was Bold, you Reverted). --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 14:34, 6 January 2015 (UTC) | ||
:::An edit summary can be a form of discussion, if it introduces a new argument to the debate. I think it can be appropriate to make a second revert if it's anticipated that the argument being introduced in the edit summary will be accepted. The reason for a 3RR rather than a 2RR is that people can, in good faith, revert each other a couple times, using edit summaries for discussion, before it becomes evident that they are not doing a good job estimating their ability to settle the issue so easily, and they need to go to the talk page with their debate. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 17:11, 6 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
::Abd has a point here, you do seem to live for getting into heated internet fights, and if that's true, you are being disruptive, and if I see another one, you will be blocked for a period of no earlier than a month, because after reading some of your previous commentary, you don't inspire a lot of confidence in me of your ability to back down and cool off. [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 16:28, 6 January 2015 (UTC) | ::Abd has a point here, you do seem to live for getting into heated internet fights, and if that's true, you are being disruptive, and if I see another one, you will be blocked for a period of no earlier than a month, because after reading some of your previous commentary, you don't inspire a lot of confidence in me of your ability to back down and cool off. [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 16:28, 6 January 2015 (UTC) | ||
:::There's no need to cool off, because there's no anger and no fight. It's just a debate, and I don't consider it be a very heated debate either. Spirited, maybe, but not really all that heated. Everyone is being civil, and I get a sense that everyone is being patient and recognizing that they don't need to get their way immediately to prevent the wiki from blowing up. | :::There's no need to cool off, because there's no anger and no fight. It's just a debate, and I don't consider it be a very heated debate either. Spirited, maybe, but not really all that heated. Everyone is being civil, and I get a sense that everyone is being patient and recognizing that they don't need to get their way immediately to prevent the wiki from blowing up. | ||
:::Maybe it's unusual for there to be debates on WikiIndex, but it's not necessarily a bad thing. Maybe progress will come from it. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 17:06, 6 January 2015 (UTC) | :::Maybe it's unusual for there to be debates on WikiIndex, but it's not necessarily a bad thing. Maybe progress will come from it. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 17:06, 6 January 2015 (UTC) | ||