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 '''Commentary''' For what it's worth, I agree completely that WikiIndex shouldn't just be empirical--we give a better impression of the WikiSphere by discussing things more colloquially (in addition to hard numbers). [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 18:14, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
+:Yes. That is, we are not *only* a directory, with basic wiki information. However, the question is how to handle this "colloquial" discussion -- by which I think Koavf means "informal." My suggestion is this: mainspace pages are places to hold information about a wiki. What is placed on such pages should not be mere opinion or judgment, generally. I can think of exceptions, but they all fall into something that, if push comes to shove, is a collective assessment, made for protective purpose. Such as "covers ideas that are offensive to many," "NSFW," etc. In line with this is our practice of not signing comments on mainspace pages. They are not supposed to be "personal comments," but rather text added in service of the community purpose, anticipating consensus. I am not suggesting requiring the full panalopy of verifiability standards used by Wikipedia, though their guidelines can sometimes be useful.
+:We do not have a notability standard for wikis. If it's a wiki, so far, it's been listable.
+:However, there can be an issue of excessive detail.
+:So, first idea: opinion and commentary on wikis goes on the Talk page. If it becomes extensive, subpages can be created, there are many tools that can be used to organize what can otherwise been excessive discussion.
+:Then there is the matter of "non-notable detail." Suppose the founder of a wiki wants to document, on WikiIndex, the issues that he or she faced in setting up and operating the wiki. This could be placed in a mainspace subpage, I think they are allowed in the installation (if not, that can be fixed). Where there is a personal history that really depends on a single witness, it's not otherwise verifiable, I recommend that it be explicitly attributed. This, then, avoids the impression that *WikiIndex" considers all this notable and important. Leucosticte's experience, in some cases, presents valuable lessons. It can also avoid edit warring.
+:Another issue raised is "other articles in mainspace." There are articles on "Wikipeople." In general, essays should not be in mainspace. That is, if articles are created, they should be neutral, and what is not verifiable, if controversial, can be removed by any user. "Other articles" -- not listings -- should be on notable topics, relevant to wikis. A question I would ask is why these are being placed on WikiIndex rather than, say, Wikipedia, Wikiversity, Wikibooks, Wiktionary or other wikis better suited for that purpose? The answer I see is where an article is about a concept commonly used in describing wikis.
+:"Wikipeople," however, opens up cans of worms. To avoid harm, I would suggest that no biographical article be allowed if the subject objects, and no on-the-face attack article should be allowed unless explicitly permitted by the subject. Where a person is notable from activity on many wikis, I can see an argument for a mainspace article. Otherwise I would make such pages be subpages of the relevant wiki article.
+:So, suppose I have some bug about the WMF meta wiki. I do, in fact. I might create an essay page [[Wikimedia Meta-Wiki/Essays/Abd]] and say whatever I like, restricted only by general civility or similar policy. If someone wants to comment on that, they can do so on the attached talk page (or could edit on that page with my consent, I'm responsible for it if it has my name on it) Someone else could write their own essay. Other subpages could be developed to cover details about meta, these should be NPOV. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 00:17, 12 January 2015 (UTC)