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:::"Fixed way of being" indicates that one is simply a machine, playing out old programs. While that's normal survival response, there are bugs in "normal." Let's say that to move beyond these bugs, these limitations, it's necessary to have ability to shift behavior, to drop prior "identity." Otherwise we can -- and do -- repeat the useless behavior until we die, always complaining that the problem is somewhere else, and that complaint completely distracts us from where we have power, over our own behavior. So the prisoner, I can imagine, learned how to get the attention of a staffer for a legislator, and how to move the legislator himself or herself. Had he persisted with his first efforts, perhaps on the idea that they were "right" and if he whined enough, he'd get what he wanted, what would have happened is ... nothing but more conviction that "they" were not going to listen to him and "they" were completely unjust and didn't care about people, especially not about convicts. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 16:00, 14 January 2015 (UTC) | :::"Fixed way of being" indicates that one is simply a machine, playing out old programs. While that's normal survival response, there are bugs in "normal." Let's say that to move beyond these bugs, these limitations, it's necessary to have ability to shift behavior, to drop prior "identity." Otherwise we can -- and do -- repeat the useless behavior until we die, always complaining that the problem is somewhere else, and that complaint completely distracts us from where we have power, over our own behavior. So the prisoner, I can imagine, learned how to get the attention of a staffer for a legislator, and how to move the legislator himself or herself. Had he persisted with his first efforts, perhaps on the idea that they were "right" and if he whined enough, he'd get what he wanted, what would have happened is ... nothing but more conviction that "they" were not going to listen to him and "they" were completely unjust and didn't care about people, especially not about convicts. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 16:00, 14 January 2015 (UTC) | ||
::::Oh yeah, there's also the fact that he's a fictional character in a fictional situation. The movie was kinda vague about it, I think he just said that he was writing to the legislature repeatedly until they gave in, and when they didn't respond to one letter a day, he wrote two letters a day. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 17:17, 14 January 2015 (UTC) | ::::Oh yeah, there's also the fact that he's a fictional character in a fictional situation. The movie was kinda vague about it, I think he just said that he was writing to the legislature repeatedly until they gave in, and when they didn't respond to one letter a day, he wrote two letters a day. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 17:17, 14 January 2015 (UTC) | ||
:::::And when the sun comes out, it's because I whined about the clouds. First of all, prisoners don't get free postage. Second of all, the stories prisoners tell might not be true, at all, or might be hyperbole. Third of all, the story has been altered, perhaps. The Wikipedia plot summary has: | |||
:::::''Andy begins writing weekly letters to the state government for funds to improve the decaying library.'' | |||
:::::Andy is an innocent man, a banker, wrongly convicted for murdering his wife. He would be high-functioning and would know how to write, and would not give up easily. However, maybe Wikipedia misses some of the story. Imdb has a more complete synopsis, and, sure enough, there is much more: | |||
:::::''Andy sees an opportunity to expand the prison library, starting with asking the Maine state senate for funds. He starts writing letters and sending them every week.'' | |||
:::::''After six years of writing letters, Andy receives $200 from the state for the library, along with a collection of old books and records. Though the state Senate thinks this will be enough to get Andy to halt his letter-writing campaign, he is undaunted and doubles his efforts. | |||
:::::There is a lot more story.... | |||
:::::''With the enlarged library and more materials, Andy begins to teach those inmates who want to receive their high school diplomas. After Andy is able to secure a steady stream of funding from various sources, the library is further renovated and named for Brooks. | |||
:::::Nathan, you are not Andy. Not yet. Andy was faced with total and complete unfairness, that intensifies, but did not waste his time complaining about it. He acted, always with hope, and that's the theme of the film. One more quotation: | |||
:::::''One day he talks to Red, about how although he didn't kill his wife, his personality drove her away, which led to her infidelity and death. | |||
:::::Andy takes responsibility for his past. I suggest you reflect on that. It's a key to the future. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 20:51, 14 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
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