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::There are plenty of guys who wouldn't do any of that stuff. A lot of times, the hot girls reject those guys as too boring. I think there are some women who were in the Miss Universe Pageant who now are saying that Trump objectified them. Uh, ladies, it's a beauty pageant. Are you going to throw a steak in front of a dog and then complain, "Hey, he was just supposed to look at it, not eat it"? Maybe they should've brought a chaperone, but that would've been no fun, because then they wouldn't have had some billionaire grabbing them by the ... well anyway. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 02:03, 12 December 2017 (PST) | ::There are plenty of guys who wouldn't do any of that stuff. A lot of times, the hot girls reject those guys as too boring. I think there are some women who were in the Miss Universe Pageant who now are saying that Trump objectified them. Uh, ladies, it's a beauty pageant. Are you going to throw a steak in front of a dog and then complain, "Hey, he was just supposed to look at it, not eat it"? Maybe they should've brought a chaperone, but that would've been no fun, because then they wouldn't have had some billionaire grabbing them by the ... well anyway. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 02:03, 12 December 2017 (PST) | ||
:::Why is it a prosaic conversation involving you which has nothing to do with genocide or sexual assault ends up with you appealing to them? Have you ever considered that maybe—''maybe''—that is why you are unwelcome some places? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 09:55, 12 December 2017 (PST) | :::Why is it a prosaic conversation involving you which has nothing to do with genocide or sexual assault ends up with you appealing to them? Have you ever considered that maybe—''maybe''—that is why you are unwelcome some places? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 09:55, 12 December 2017 (PST) | ||
::::I think leftists do that all the time. Feminists will compare everything to rape, and Jews will compare everything to the Holocaust (because they have the privilege of being exempted from Godwin's law, since their people were actually subjected to the original Holocaust, which would make it antisemitic to object to their bringing it up, since we have to keep the memory fresh and always say 'never again' and be vigilant about anything that might resemble Nazism to keep it from re-occuring). | |||
::::People who ask questions that others don't want asked are unwelcome. People who present information or ideas that conflict with the narrative people are trying to present are unwelcome. | |||
::::Why was ''The Daily Stormer'' kicked off the normie web? Why do people condone DDoS attacks against them (the same way they condone punching Richard Spencer in the face)? Because, if someone stands there and presents an argument for why it's okay to harm someone, that's considered almost equivalent to actually harming them, and therefore people think censorship (in the case of DDoS attacks, basically the heckler's veto) and violence are appropriate in response. | |||
::::What is ''The Daily Stormer''? Mostly a comedy site. Are they cool with James Fields running over a bunch of people in Charlottesville? Some of them probably are. But, when it was a normie web site, there probably were a few more moderate people hanging out too. We can expect that when it's pushed into Tor-land, it's probably going to become more extreme, plus there's less transparency; the public is not going to be able to as easily directly monitor what they're up to, unless they go out of their way to get onto Tor and take a look. The whole point of pushing the site onto Tor was to make it harder for people to access. | |||
::::What was [[ChildPorn.info]]? A site consisting of info about legislation, case law, and academicians. (See the [[Talk:ChildPorn.info#List_of_articles|list of articles]].) The WikiIndex entry had to be deleted, though, because ... why? Because at that time there was a general purge of entries on childlove-related wikis, and certain "vanity" pages. Well, okay, but then WikiIndex is no longer seeking to be a comprehensive and unbiased directory. One would have to list these forbidden sites somewhere else. It's now necessary to have at least two directories (one for the politically correct content, and another for the non-politically correct content) rather than just one directory. My guess is that the second directory would be interesting, but of course there has to be someone to set it up and run it, and that doesn't always happen. | |||
::::Progress often comes from being edgy. To think clearly, sometimes you have to take ideas to their logical conclusions. Get rid of the radical dissidents, and you get rid of a lot of people who are in the habit of going outside the Overton window to see what are ALL the possible implications of a certain way of thinking. | |||
::::So, we all end up retreating back to whatever wikis favor our own viewpoints, and we preach to the choir rather than having a real discourse between opposing views. Because of course, a real debate, with actual opponents who are there to counter-argue against your counter-arguments, is dangerous. When you just have a wiki where you say, "They guys say x, but that's silly because y," then you don't have to worry about them showing up and saying, "But what about z?" That way, you can win every argument. | |||
::::We have a system now where, if you want to speak freely about ideas that are outside the Overton window, you basically have to sacrifice your whole life to do it. Andrew Anglin has to keep his location hidden so that he doesn't get served with lawsuits. Others have had SJWs call up their workplace and get them fired from jobs. So, the dissidents end up retreating even further, to wikis, Discord servers, etc. that aren't even known to the general public. I probably spend about half or two-thirds of my time on a non-public wiki that isn't listed on WikiIndex and never will be. The owner of it has it set up that way so that he can continue working at a corporate job and earning six figures and living in the suburbs with his wife and kid. It's that "Nazi next door" phenomenon, except unlike Tony Hovater, he's going to try to stay out of the ''New York Times''. | |||
::::Part of the appeal of Nazism was that the left had gotten so bad, that fascism didn't seem like an unreasonable alternative. They are, at least, more honest about what they want. They don't talk about a fake "equality" that can never exist. They actually say that they're out for supremacy. It's a little refreshing to not have to deal with all this intellectually dishonest, hypocritical sanctimony. If there's going to be oppression and domination of the weak by the strong, then we might as well call it what it is, rather than saying, "Oh, we have to suppress some counter-revolutionaries so we can protect the public and advance toward a better society." That argument only works if the commies are, actually, improving society. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 16:59, 12 December 2017 (PST) | |||