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== Overview ==
==Overview==
I'm trying to show here in a table how Wiki Status relates to Edit Mode and other corresponding categorisations
I'm trying to show here in a table how Wiki Status relates to Edit Mode and other corresponding categorisations
 
{|class=wikitable
{| class="wikitable"
!progress* / status°||edit mode||account mode*||view mode*||connect mode*
! Progress* / Status° || Edit mode || AccountMode* || View mode* || Connect mode*  
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| YourWikiStatus || YourWikiEditMode || YourWikiMembershipMode* || YourWikiViewMode* || YourWikiConnectMode*
|YourWikiStatus||YourWikiEditMode||YourWikiMembershipMode*||YourWikiViewMode*||YourWikiConnectMode*
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| In preparation || OpenEdit || AccountLess* || OpenView* || URLunKnown*  
|In preparation||OpenEdit||AccountLess*||OpenView*||URLunKnown*
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| New || SaveAfterPreview || AutoConfirmAccount*|| LoginToViewAll* || DoesConnect*  
|New||SaveAfterPreview||AutoConfirmAccount*||LoginToViewAll*||DoesConnect*
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| SemiActive* || CapchaEdit* || >ConfirmEmail° <br> EmailConfirmAccount* || LoginToViewAny* || >CannotConnect  
|SemiActive*||CapchaEdit*||>ConfirmEmail°<br>EmailConfirmAccount*||LoginToViewAny*||>CannotConnect
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| Active || LoginToEdit || >LoginViaForum° <br> DerivedAccount* || ViewArchive || ForwardedNoWiki*
|Active||LoginToEdit||>LoginViaForum°<br>DerivedAccount*||ViewArchive||ForwardedNoWiki*
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| Vibrant || ModeratedEdit* || AdminConfirmAccount* || >NotArchived° <br> NothingToView* || Forwarded2Wiki*
|Vibrant||ModeratedEdit*||AdminConfirmAccount*||>NotArchived°<br>NothingToView*||Forwarded2Wiki*
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| Dormant || PayToEdit || >ByInvitation° <br> InviteToAccount* ||   ||  
|Dormant||PayToEdit||>ByInvitation°<br>InviteToAccount*||||
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| Halted* || NoEdit* || >closed (Private) <br> PrivateAccount* ||   ||  
|Halted*||NoEdit*||>closed (Private)<br>PrivateAccount*||||
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| Archived || || ||   ||  
|Archived||||||||
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| Dead° <br> Lost* || || ||   ||  
|Dead°<br>Lost*||||||||
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Some words about 'NeedsLove': Is it upon us to judge what has to happen? We write down what is, not what should be or will be. 'Spammed': It is spammed because those folks are not active to remove it. So, SPAM or not, the thing to detect is the level of constructive activity which leads to progress. SPAM is only the most visible aspect of lack of constructive activity. And even SPAMer stop doing their thing on a totally dormant Wiki. If we call that Wiki spammed, than SPAMer could use our Index to select SPAMable Wikis. Also 'NeedsLove' implies that we are thinking this Wiki should progress. But it is also not upon us to approve of Wikis, just like it is not our cup of tea to help [[User_talk:Hoof_Hearted#Wikia_question |destroy]] them ;-) 'Halted' is essentially the same as ReadOnly because RadOnly is practically the only thing one can do to halt the Wiki I think. But maybe one can kind of halt a Wiki by closing for new Members. It looks like [[Wikimania]] Wikis are halted like that and then 'moved' to some kind of own archive place. Any comments? Nobody? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 22:26, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Some words about 'NeedsLove': Is it upon us to judge what has to happen? We write down what is, not what should be or will be. 'Spammed': It is spammed because those folks are not active to remove it. So, SPAM or not, the thing to detect is the level of constructive activity which leads to progress. SPAM is only the most visible aspect of lack of constructive activity. And even SPAMer stop doing their thing on a totally dormant Wiki. If we call that Wiki spammed, than SPAMer could use our Index to select SPAMable Wikis. Also 'NeedsLove' implies that we are thinking this Wiki should progress. But it is also not upon us to approve of Wikis, just like it is not our cup of tea to help [[User_talk:Hoof_Hearted#Wikia_question |destroy]] them ;-) 'Halted' is essentially the same as ReadOnly because RadOnly is practically the only thing one can do to halt the Wiki I think. But maybe one can kind of halt a Wiki by closing for new Members. It looks like [[Wikimania]] Wikis are halted like that and then 'moved' to some kind of own archive place. Any comments? Nobody? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 22:26, 12 August 2014 (UTC)


: Will have to think about some of these, have strong feelings need to sort out.  One of them, NeedsLove is a wiki that is stumbling along, it is neither new, vibrant, or dormant.  It needs people to love it.  No judgement there.  (It is not spammed, any wiki that is spammed, is, well, spammed.)  :-)  Thanks for broaching the conversation!!  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
:Will have to think about some of these, have strong feelings need to sort out.  One of them, NeedsLove is a wiki that is stumbling along, it is neither new, vibrant, or dormant.  It needs people to love it.  No judgement there.  (It is not spammed, any wiki that is spammed, is, well, spammed.)  :-)  Thanks for broaching the conversation!!  Best, [[MarkDilley]]


:: Talking about "feelings" (euphemism of interpretations/thought): I get the "feeling" that Wikipeople who needed love themselves projected this to what they where dealing with -> Wikis and therefore coined this term. There is more expectation in the term NeedsLove than observation, whereas Spammed is an observation. Also, if taken seriously, NeedsLove is valid for each and every Wiki or whatever project. Therefore it is not a useful statement. It does not supply specific information about that Wiki. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 20:11, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
::Talking about "feelings" (euphemism of interpretations/thought): I get the "feeling" that Wikipeople who needed love themselves projected this to what they where dealing with -> Wikis and therefore coined this term. There is more expectation in the term NeedsLove than observation, whereas Spammed is an observation. Also, if taken seriously, NeedsLove is valid for each and every Wiki or whatever project. Therefore it is not a useful statement. It does not supply specific information about that Wiki. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 20:11, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


:::That's a lot of projection there, Manorainjan. I use the status "NeedsLove" frequently to describe wikis which are not my own, but are struggling to maintain output. And yet, I don't feel unloved. :-) Granted, the term was already in place here when I started using it. In your schema above, you have not yet addressed wikis which do not fall into the categories "Vibrant", "Active", or "Dormant." I find "NeedsLove" to be a sufficient middle point between "Active" and "Dormant," the equivalent of saying "Active, but not very." On the other hand, "Dormant" implies a complete cessation of activity. We could change the name if we need to, but that seems to me a bit like arguing about window dressing. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] ([[User talk:MarvelZuvembie|talk]]) 20:35, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
:::That's a lot of projection there, Manorainjan. I use the status "NeedsLove" frequently to describe wikis which are not my own, but are struggling to maintain output. And yet, I don't feel unloved. :-) Granted, the term was already in place here when I started using it. In your schema above, you have not yet addressed wikis which do not fall into the categories "Vibrant", "Active", or "Dormant." I find "NeedsLove" to be a sufficient middle point between "Active" and "Dormant," the equivalent of saying "Active, but not very." On the other hand, "Dormant" implies a complete cessation of activity. We could change the name if we need to, but that seems to me a bit like arguing about window dressing. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] ([[User talk:MarvelZuvembie|talk]]) 20:35, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


:::: Lets stay with the point that NeedsLove does not describe what is but what should be. Creating [[:Category:NeedsLove]] Ray described its purpose as "dusty – please adopt one if you would like". It calls for a change which is not our department. Who are we to judge about a Wiki what it needs? We are not the Wiki-welfare-agency. We do not adopt orphans, got enough to do with our project. We are the Wiki-registry. If need be to have finely graduated terms in the status category why not have SomeActivity there?[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 20:51, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
::::Lets stay with the point that NeedsLove does not describe what is but what should be. Creating [[:Category:NeedsLove]] Ray described its purpose as "dusty – please adopt one if you would like". It calls for a change which is not our department. Who are we to judge about a Wiki what it needs? We are not the Wiki-welfare-agency. We do not adopt orphans, got enough to do with our project. We are the Wiki-registry. If need be to have finely graduated terms in the status category why not have SomeActivity there?[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 20:51, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


:::::It's a rather muted call, one which goes unheeded for the most part. That said, I would be OK with SomeActivity or Semi-Active. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] ([[User talk:MarvelZuvembie|talk]]) 21:07, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::It's a rather muted call, one which goes unheeded for the most part. That said, I would be OK with SomeActivity or Semi-Active. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] ([[User talk:MarvelZuvembie|talk]]) 21:07, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
::::: OK is in table now. SemiActive could be considered as a condition which would most likely not prevail for long.  [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 00:23, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
::::: OK is in table now. SemiActive could be considered as a condition which would most likely not prevail for long.  [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 00:23, 14 August 2014 (UTC)


== dead vs inactive ==
==dead vs inactive==
I see there is a [[:Category:Inactive]] with a related [[Template:Inactive]], and a [[:Category:Dead]] with a related [[Template:Wiki dead]].
I see there is a [[:Category:Inactive]] with a related [[Template:Inactive]], and a [[:Category:Dead]] with a related [[Template:Wiki dead]].


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* This template inactive is a drag! Just I encountered a Wiki [[Felix Pleşoianu Wiki]] run by one of our early users here, which was striked out by this template bit quite active indeed. This is the case in more than 15% of Wikis with this template over them. I uncovered lots of them in the recent month. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 17:38, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
* This template inactive is a drag! Just I encountered a Wiki [[Felix Pleşoianu Wiki]] run by one of our early users here, which was striked out by this template bit quite active indeed. This is the case in more than 15% of Wikis with this template over them. I uncovered lots of them in the recent month. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 17:38, 29 October 2014 (UTC)


== [[:Category:Private]] is not consistent a member of Wiki Status ==
==[[:Category:Private]] is not consistent a member of Wiki Status==
 
(imported from [[WikiIndex talk:Community portal]])
(imported from [[WikiIndex talk:Community portal]])


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:My inclination is that the designation "Private" has more to do with a wiki's EditMode than it does with a wiki's Status. I don't think a new "Accessibility" class of categories is needed. That's pretty much what "EditMode" is already. I am in favor is making "Private" one of the options for "EditMode". I suppose the clarification which would need to be made the difference between "ByInvitation" and "Private." To my mind, the former indicates that you could ostensibly obtain an invitation whereas the latter would be reserved for those which are closed to new participants. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] ([[User talk:MarvelZuvembie|talk]]) 23:34, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
:My inclination is that the designation "Private" has more to do with a wiki's EditMode than it does with a wiki's Status. I don't think a new "Accessibility" class of categories is needed. That's pretty much what "EditMode" is already. I am in favor is making "Private" one of the options for "EditMode". I suppose the clarification which would need to be made the difference between "ByInvitation" and "Private." To my mind, the former indicates that you could ostensibly obtain an invitation whereas the latter would be reserved for those which are closed to new participants. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] ([[User talk:MarvelZuvembie|talk]]) 23:34, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


== Depreciated categories ==
==Depreciated categories==
 
{|class=wikitable
{| class="wikitable"
!category !!reason for depreciating
! category !! Reason for depreciating
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|Inactive ||is dormant without much spam activity
| Inactive || is dormant without much spam activity
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|UnknownStatus ||YourWikiStatus
| UnknownStatus || YourWikiStatus
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|UnknownEditMode||YourWikiEditMode
| UnknownEditMode || YourWikiEditMode
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|Spammed ||is dormant with spam activity
| Spammed || is dormant with spam activity
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|NeedsLove ||is not what it is but what one should do //  replaced by SemiActive
| NeedsLove || is not what it is but what one should do //  replaced by SemiActive
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|GoalReached ||is Halted with a Smile :-)
| GoalReached || is Halted with a Smile :-)
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|GoalAbandoned ||is Halted with a frown :-(
| GoalAbandoned || is Halted with a frown :-(
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== [[:Category:Locked]] ==


==[[:Category:Locked]]==
'''Another status''' [[:Category:Locked]] is a status that a handful of wikis have now. It seems like this is a distinct method of categorizing: these are readable but not necessarily abandoned. E.g. [[MeatBallWiki]]. Thoughts? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 21:46, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
'''Another status''' [[:Category:Locked]] is a status that a handful of wikis have now. It seems like this is a distinct method of categorizing: these are readable but not necessarily abandoned. E.g. [[MeatBallWiki]]. Thoughts? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 21:46, 9 October 2014 (UTC)


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* Progress: Halted + EditMode: LoginToEdit + MembershipMode: Closed + ViewMode: LoginToViewAny in case of [[Romansh Wiktionary]][[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 22:14, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
* Progress: Halted + EditMode: LoginToEdit + MembershipMode: Closed + ViewMode: LoginToViewAny in case of [[Romansh Wiktionary]][[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 22:14, 9 October 2014 (UTC)


== What status for 403 error? ==
==What status for 403 error?==
 
What wiki status should I put when attempted to look at a wiki results in "403 Forbidden"? ("You don't have permission to access / on this server. Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.") --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] ([[User talk:EarthFurst|talk]]) 13:31, 4 May 2016 (PDT)
What wikistatus should I put when attempted to look at a wiki results in "403 Forbidden"? ("You don't have permission to access / on this server. Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.") --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] ([[User talk:EarthFurst|talk]]) 13:31, 4 May 2016 (PDT)
 
:On first sight one has to assume that the wiki still exists but that there are technical problems of hopefully temporal nature. Therefore one can not actually say anything about the status, because one can not access the fundamental information about it. So one would mark that wiki page with <nowiki>{{Down|~~~~~}}
:On first sight one has to assume that the wiki still exists but that there are technical problems of hopefully temporal nature. Therefore one can not actually say anything about the status, because one can not access the fundamental information about it. So one would mark that wiki page with <nowiki>{{Down|~~~~~}}
</nowiki> or <nowiki>{{DownForMaintenance|~~~~~}}</nowiki> if one has reason to believe it a controlled interruption. Status will not change. After some time one can come back and try again, to see if the outage persists. How much time, is still to be determined. Certainly more than a day. Should the condition persist (maybe 3 tests in 3 month and always down), the activity status could become Down. Other stati would be unchanged serving as historical data. If the wiki was archived, Archived would be better than Down. [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 15:55, 9 May 2016 (PDT)
</nowiki> or <nowiki>{{DownForMaintenance|~~~~~}}</nowiki> if one has reason to believe it a controlled interruption. Status will not change. After some time one can come back and try again, to see if the outage persists. How much time, is still to be determined. Certainly more than a day. Should the condition persist (maybe 3 tests in 3 month and always down), the activity status could become Down. Other stati would be unchanged serving as historical data. If the wiki was archived, Archived would be better than Down. [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 15:55, 9 May 2016 (PDT)
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