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However, [[Brongersma]] does not violate the proposed policy. It can look at way to someone who just looks at superficialities, such as how Wikipedia describes Brongersma. Brongersma was not a pedophile, except in popular definitions that depend on overgeneralization. (i.e., pedophiles are attracted to "children," and in some places a 17-year-old is a "child," therefore, the knee-jerk thinking is, someone who had sex with a 17-year-old is a "pedophile." Which is about equivalent to "evil inhuman monster who should be killed immediately." It's actually preposterous. What Brongersma did was violate a law aimed only at homosexuals, had the "victim" been female, no violation. | However, [[Brongersma]] does not violate the proposed policy. It can look at way to someone who just looks at superficialities, such as how Wikipedia describes Brongersma. Brongersma was not a pedophile, except in popular definitions that depend on overgeneralization. (i.e., pedophiles are attracted to "children," and in some places a 17-year-old is a "child," therefore, the knee-jerk thinking is, someone who had sex with a 17-year-old is a "pedophile." Which is about equivalent to "evil inhuman monster who should be killed immediately." It's actually preposterous. What Brongersma did was violate a law aimed only at homosexuals, had the "victim" been female, no violation. | ||
Leucosticte also nominated for deletion a page for a homosexual activist, an academic, whose wiki is the only known host for the "shredded" Encyclopedia of Homosexuality. [ | Leucosticte also nominated for deletion a page for a homosexual activist, an academic, whose wiki is the only known host for the "shredded" Encyclopedia of Homosexuality. [https://www.Amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Homosexuality-Wayne-R-Dynes/dp/0824065441# Amazon] [[William A. Percy]]. Quite a story, in fact. | ||
Possibly as a result of the Brongersma case, the age of consent in the Netherlands was made the same for homosexual and heterosexual activities. It was or became, then, 16 years of age. Many jurisdictions have lower ages of consent. Advocating lowering the age of consent is not advocating illegal behavior. That's obvious! | Possibly as a result of the Brongersma case, the age of consent in the Netherlands was made the same for homosexual and heterosexual activities. It was or became, then, 16 years of age. Many jurisdictions have lower ages of consent. Advocating lowering the age of consent is not advocating illegal behavior. That's obvious! | ||
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::When considering offensiveness, the legal definition of child pornography can be irrelevant. Legally, there is the [[wp:Miller test|Miller test]]. By that test, the Commons images are legal. As Leucosticte knows, the issues are far more complex than most realize. There is a second issue besides the Miller test, which is realism. The drawings are clearly not photographs or produced in imitation of photographs. They are "realistic," but are clearly drawings, they are not "photorealistic." | ::When considering offensiveness, the legal definition of child pornography can be irrelevant. Legally, there is the [[wp:Miller test|Miller test]]. By that test, the Commons images are legal. As Leucosticte knows, the issues are far more complex than most realize. There is a second issue besides the Miller test, which is realism. The drawings are clearly not photographs or produced in imitation of photographs. They are "realistic," but are clearly drawings, they are not "photorealistic." | ||
::And all this is irrelevant to Brongersma. Leucosticte knows better, much better. Hence he is trolling. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 21:50, 7 January 2015 (UTC) | ::And all this is irrelevant to Brongersma. Leucosticte knows better, much better. Hence he is trolling. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 21:50, 7 January 2015 (UTC) | ||
:::The ''Miller'' test doesn't apply to child pornography. See {{w|New York v. Ferber#The Court | :::The ''Miller'' test doesn't apply to child pornography. See {{w|New York v. Ferber#The Court's decision}}. There are other types of child pornography besides the kind I mentioned; more broadly it [http://www.Law.Cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2256 involves] "a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct" which can involve "lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person". [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 22:58, 7 January 2015 (UTC) | ||
::::Frankly, DGAF. This has nothing to do with Brongersma. It seems to me to be an excuse to repeat phrases that make people go ballistic. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 23:21, 7 January 2015 (UTC) | ::::Frankly, DGAF. This has nothing to do with Brongersma. It seems to me to be an excuse to repeat phrases that make people go ballistic. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 23:21, 7 January 2015 (UTC) | ||