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:;<big>Attribution note | :;<big>Attribution note – this page was created by copying relevant text from [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki]] and pasting it here. Therefore, for attribution, check the [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Category_talk:Active_administrators_of_this_wiki&dir=prev&action=history edit history] of that article, thanks.</big> | ||
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Again, sorry if I have not formatted or done anything here correctly, and if you wish me to move my stuff all good, and apologies for me not following any protocol I might have overlooked | Again, sorry if I have not formatted or done anything here correctly, and if you wish me to move my stuff all good, and apologies for me not following any protocol I might have overlooked | ||
Sincerely, Eagle Scream[[User:99.237.166.143|99.237.166.143]] 17:58, 20 February 2008 (EST) | Sincerely, Eagle Scream [[User:99.237.166.143|99.237.166.143]] 17:58, 20 February 2008 (EST) | ||
: ''I just saw your message and replied to you at [[User talk:99.237.166.143]]'' - Best, [[MarkDilley]] | : ''I just saw your message and replied to you at [[User talk:99.237.166.143]]'' - Best, [[MarkDilley]] | ||
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:::::::I think it’s important that users know they can get themselves blocked for writing things that wouldn’t lead to a block on most wikis. Seeing a ban window <i>unexpectedly</i> can be a shock. That’s why I left the warning in the compromise. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 09:01, 24 November 2008 (EST) | :::::::I think it’s important that users know they can get themselves blocked for writing things that wouldn’t lead to a block on most wikis. Seeing a ban window <i>unexpectedly</i> can be a shock. That’s why I left the warning in the compromise. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 09:01, 24 November 2008 (EST) | ||
Because I support [ | Because I support [https://CommunityWiki.org/ConsolidateInformation ConsolidateInformation], I am glad that Proxima Centauri moved "The Conservapedia RationalWiki war" from WikiIndex to http://RationalWiki.com/wiki/Essay:The_Conservapedia_RationalWiki_War . That seems to be a much better place for it. | ||
I'm also glad that Proxima Centauri made a general category, [[:category: wikis with a strong viewpoint]] that is helpful to Wikiindex readers. | I'm also glad that Proxima Centauri made a general category, [[:category: wikis with a strong viewpoint]] that is helpful to Wikiindex readers. | ||
I've been summoned to act as an neutral admin[ | I've been summoned to act as an neutral admin[https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADavidCary&diff=59927&oldid=59646]. | ||
But by the time I arrived, it appears that JazzMan, Proxima Centauri, Weaseloid, etc. have already worked out a compromise. | But by the time I arrived, it appears that JazzMan, Proxima Centauri, Weaseloid, etc. have already worked out a compromise. | ||
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:I don't think "hate groups" would be the proper name for those [[wiki]]s (although they have strong elements of hate). --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 12:40, 2 December 2008 (EST) | :I don't think "hate groups" would be the proper name for those [[wiki]]s (although they have strong elements of hate). --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 12:40, 2 December 2008 (EST) | ||
::What would be a better name? "Delusional Bigots" isn't very "neutral", no matter how accurate it might be. --[[User:Gulik|Gulik]] 15:27, 4 December 2008 (EST) | ::What would be a better name? "Delusional Bigots" isn't very "neutral", no matter how accurate it might be. --[[User:Gulik|Gulik]] 15:27, 4 December 2008 (EST) | ||
:::Perhaps a better name would be [[:Category:Wikis with a strong viewpoint]] ? Also: Thank you for telling me about Metapedia. I am creating an article about it now: [[Metapedia]]. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 11:40, 5 December 2008 (EST) | |||
::: Perhaps a better name would be [[:Category:Wikis with a strong viewpoint]] ? Also: Thank you for telling me about Metapedia. I am creating an article about it now: [[Metapedia]]. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 11:40, 5 December 2008 (EST) | ::::From WikiIndex's [[Metapedia]] article: ''Metapedia is an electronic encyclopedia about culture, art, science, philosophy and politics.'' No, that's far from the truth. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 12:29, 5 December 2008 (EST) | ||
::::From | :::::Please give me a little hint as to how to make WikiIndex's article more accurate? Or better yet, please edit WikiIndex article directly to make them more accurate? Thank you. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 11:59, 3 February 2009 (EST) | ||
::::: Please give me a little hint as to how to make WikiIndex's article more accurate? Or better yet, please edit WikiIndex article directly to make them more accurate? Thank you. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 11:59, 3 February 2009 (EST) | |||
==What about foreign language wikis?== | ==What about foreign language wikis?== | ||
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: The following text is what triggered our spam filter: ht tp://en.metapedia.org | : The following text is what triggered our spam filter: ht tp://en.metapedia.org | ||
(I've added spaces to mangle the above URLs, since otherwise the spam filter blocks my attempt to talk about them). Is this the best place to whine and complain about our local WikiIndex spam filter? [[WikiIndex: | (I've added spaces to mangle the above URLs, since otherwise the spam filter blocks my attempt to talk about them). Is this the best place to whine and complain about our local WikiIndex spam filter? [[WikiIndex:Anti-spam measures]] seems to be about discussing AntiSpam measures on *other* wiki. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 11:32, 5 December 2008 (EST) | ||
:Well, it wasn't supposed to stop someone like yourself; it was meant to stop | :Well, it wasn't supposed to stop someone like yourself; it was meant to stop [[vandal]]s, trolls, and [[spam]]mers from insert Metpedia links everywhere. Unfortunately, the spam filter can't tell the difference between good and bad editors. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 12:23, 5 December 2008 (EST) | ||
::Well you could add 'www.metapedia.org' to the [[MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist]] which allows you to add links to that site on any page and if you are worried about people abusing it, which i doubt, then you could temporarily ad it to the white list, create the article then remove it :)..--[[User:Comets|Comets]] 05:34, 7 December 2008 (EST) | ::Well you could add 'www.metapedia.org' to the [[MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist]] which allows you to add links to that site on any page and if you are worried about people abusing it, which i doubt, then you could temporarily ad it to the white list, create the article then remove it :)..--[[User:Comets|Comets]] 05:34, 7 December 2008 (EST) | ||
==Do we need this== | ==Do we need this== | ||
File:Lolo12.jpg – Do we need this? [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 13:05, 10 May 2009 (EDT) | |||
:Don't think so. Kill it with fire. ;) --[[User:Koveras|Koveras]] 12:21, 14 May 2009 (EDT) | :Don't think so. Kill it with fire. ;) --[[User:Koveras|Koveras]] 12:21, 14 May 2009 (EDT) | ||
::It's dead. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 13:42, 14 May 2009 (EDT) | ::It's dead. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 13:42, 14 May 2009 (EDT) | ||
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::I've deleted the logo. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 13:40, 14 May 2009 (EDT) | ::I've deleted the logo. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 13:40, 14 May 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::The logo was uploaded a second time and I deleted it again. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 13:34, 23 May 2009 (EDT) | :::The logo was uploaded a second time and I deleted it again. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 13:34, 23 May 2009 (EDT) | ||
::::Sorry, I didn't realise it was deleted because of a TOS violation. Please keep in mind that this logo is absolutely not explicit, actually you don't even see a nipple in this picture. In [[:Category:Germany|Germany]] we have probably one of the highest standards when it comes to the protection of minors, and [[Pornopedia]] is meeting all required criterias by not providing any offensive image material. Please keep also in mind that the mother of all wikis, [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]], has way more actual porn than we have, like: [[wp:File:DoublePenetration.svg|this]] or [[commons:File:Ejaculation educational ani short.gif|that one]]. And no offense, but maybe it would be interesting to hear another opinion of a second admin, maybe one who doesn't [ | ::::Sorry, I didn't realise it was deleted because of a TOS violation. Please keep in mind that this logo is absolutely not explicit, actually you don't even see a nipple in this picture. In [[:Category:Germany|Germany]] we have probably one of the highest standards when it comes to the protection of minors, and [[Pornopedia]] is meeting all required criterias by not providing any offensive image material. Please keep also in mind that the mother of all wikis, [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]], has way more actual porn than we have, like: [[wp:File:DoublePenetration.svg|this]] or [[commons:File:Ejaculation educational ani short.gif|that one]]. And no offense, but maybe it would be interesting to hear another opinion of a second admin, maybe one who doesn't [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Talk:Pornopedia&diff=66177&oldid=64894 prefer vandalism to Pornopedia]. Cheers, --[[User:Till Kraemer|Till Kraemer]] 05:03, 24 May 2009 (EDT) | ||
You don't see a nipple but it's obvious that the couple are having sex from behind. Some people are tolerant about that but others find it distressing. It's hard to find a compromise that satisfies everybody from every culture and all parts of the [[:Category:English|English]] speaking world. I feel since the majority wants to include wikis like Pornpedia allowing information about Pornpedia without actual images is fairly reasonable. I feel [ | You don't see a nipple but it's obvious that the couple are having sex from behind. Some people are tolerant about that but others find it distressing. It's hard to find a compromise that satisfies everybody from every culture and all parts of the [[:Category:English|English]] speaking world. I feel since the majority wants to include wikis like Pornpedia allowing information about Pornpedia without actual images is fairly reasonable. I feel [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Pornopedia&oldid=66179 this revision] was unreasonable as users clicking onto that image came straight to the wiki with yet more images that they may not want to see. A link to a wiki like that should at least be clearly marked so users don't click onto it unless they want to look at porn. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 07:06, 25 May 2009 (EDT) | ||
:And sex from behind is banned in some states, right? ;) But I agree, it's hard to find a compromise and I don't want to be the source of any trouble. Regarding the linked image, it happens automatically if you hotlink a logo from another server like [[Wikiporno]], so it seems to be kind of intended and you still can watch the status bar of your browser to see where the link is leading, but I have to admit, it's not the usual wiki way that an image links to anywhere else than the file page. Nevermind... Cheers, --[[User:Till Kraemer|Till Kraemer]] 05:10, 26 May 2009 (EDT) | :And sex from behind is banned in some states, right? ;) But I agree, it's hard to find a compromise and I don't want to be the source of any trouble. Regarding the linked image, it happens automatically if you hotlink a logo from another server like [[Wikiporno]], so it seems to be kind of intended and you still can watch the status bar of your browser to see where the link is leading, but I have to admit, it's not the usual wiki way that an image links to anywhere else than the file page. Nevermind... Cheers, --[[User:Till Kraemer|Till Kraemer]] 05:10, 26 May 2009 (EDT) | ||
Only users who are really computer savvy will know to look at their browser. I don't mind too much as I'm used to dealing with grossly pornographic | Only users who are really computer savvy will know to look at their browser. I don't mind too much as I'm used to dealing with grossly pornographic [[vandal]]ism on many wikis but other users may mind. I think we're agreed, text only for entries on porn wikis. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 06:11, 26 May 2009 (EDT) | ||
:FYI, unless I'm mistaken, you two are both from [[:Category:Germany|Germany]]. | :FYI, unless I'm mistaken, you two are both from [[:Category:Germany|Germany]]. | ||
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:As for the issue of allowing pornographic images, it's important to remember that while [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] isn't censored, this isn't Wikipedia. Personally, I'm in favor of a little self-censorship. I don't think that the logo is absolutely necessary to know what the site is about. But I'd like to hear other opinions as well. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 20:48, 26 May 2009 (EDT) | :As for the issue of allowing pornographic images, it's important to remember that while [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] isn't censored, this isn't Wikipedia. Personally, I'm in favor of a little self-censorship. I don't think that the logo is absolutely necessary to know what the site is about. But I'd like to hear other opinions as well. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 20:48, 26 May 2009 (EDT) | ||
[http:// | [http://Liberapedia.Wikia.com/wiki/User:Proxima_Centauri I'm British], [[Wiktionary:User:Proxima Centauri|I'm British]] here too but we're both from Europe. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 01:37, 27 May 2009 (EDT) | ||
:Oops, my mistake! I saw the "[[:Category:GermanSpeakers (3)|Advanced German Speaker]]" tag and mistook it for a "[[:Category:GermanSpeakers (N)|Native German speaker]]" tag. Still, I imagine that you would not want to comment on what is banned in American states, as Mr. Kraemer suggests. But perhaps he was referring to nation-states. ;) --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:18, 27 May 2009 (EDT) | :Oops, my mistake! I saw the "[[:Category:GermanSpeakers (3)|Advanced German Speaker]]" tag and mistook it for a "[[:Category:GermanSpeakers (N)|Native German speaker]]" tag. Still, I imagine that you would not want to comment on what is banned in American states, as Mr. Kraemer suggests. But perhaps he was referring to nation-states. ;) --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:18, 27 May 2009 (EDT) | ||
==Is this OK?== | ==Is this OK?== | ||
User:Maritonie [https://WikiIndex.org/Special:Contributions/Maritonie hasn't made useful contributions] but used her userpage and talk page to [[spam]] material about herself and this morning she's added 2 more images. Does it matter? [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 01:49, 6 June 2009 (EDT) | |||
:Her actions are clearly besides the point of this wiki. On [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]], this is informally known as "vanity edits". Ms. Maritonie definitely needs to be advised about the purpose of this wiki project and how she shouldn't abuse this site to create a shrine to herself. --[[User:Koveras|Koveras]] 13:06, 11 June 2009 (EDT) | :Her actions are clearly besides the point of this wiki. On [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]], this is informally known as "vanity edits". Ms. Maritonie definitely needs to be advised about the purpose of this wiki project and how she shouldn't abuse this site to create a shrine to herself. --[[User:Koveras|Koveras]] 13:06, 11 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
::Should I delete | ::Should I delete Matthew Shadrack? [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 15:07, 12 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::Of course. Thanks for doing all that maintenance, by the way. ^^ This place grew really rowdy lately... --[[User:Koveras|Koveras]] 16:38, 12 June 2009 (EDT) | :::Of course. Thanks for doing all that maintenance, by the way. ^^ This place grew really rowdy lately... --[[User:Koveras|Koveras]] 16:38, 12 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
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==Ingenious spam== | ==Ingenious spam== | ||
PrintHouse Corporation -- www<dot>printhouse<dot>co<dot>uk -- made their spam [ | PrintHouse Corporation -- www<dot>printhouse<dot>co<dot>uk -- made their spam [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=PrintHouse_Corporation&oldid=66862 look like a wiki] so I've put my regular 'anti spam stuff' onto the page and protected it, I won't be bisased in their favour just because they're British. If I've made a mistake and they're an unusual type of wiki please undo what I've done. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 11:31, 18 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
==Request for admin intervention== | ==Request for admin intervention== | ||
Please see [ | Please see [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=RationalWiki&diff=prev&oldid=66241 this problematic edit] by {{U|Proxima Centauri}} to the article on [[RationalWiki]], which she has since [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=RationalWiki&diff=67162&oldid=67161 locked the article] to preserve. There are several problems with this. | ||
#It seems brutally disproportionate to mention cyberbullying in a | #It seems brutally disproportionate to mention cyberbullying in a WikiIndex article when the incident concerned only one or two users and had little lasting impact on the RW community. I see no similar comments to this in other WikiIndex articles. | ||
#The "alleged cyberbullying" took place at RationalWikiWiki, not RationalWiki, and the alleged victim was Proxima Centauri herself. She was invited repeatedly to discuss her complaint in the proper place at RWW, but declined to do so, & is clearly using a WikiIndex as a platform to pursue this grudge instead. | #The "alleged cyberbullying" took place at [[RationalWikiWiki]], not [[RationalWiki]], and the alleged victim was Proxima Centauri herself. She was invited repeatedly to discuss her complaint in the proper place at RWW, but declined to do so, & is clearly using a WikiIndex as a platform to pursue this grudge instead. | ||
#As if this wasn't dubious enough, she has locked the article to prevent others from removing this. On most [[wiki]]s this sort of thing is regarded as an abuse of administrative privileges. | #As if this wasn't dubious enough, she has locked the article to prevent others from removing this. On most [[wiki]]s this sort of thing is regarded as an abuse of administrative privileges. | ||
#The "alleged cyberbullying" involved only identifying Proxima Centauri with a previous account she had used at RationalWiki, which might or might not have been in her own real name. If, as she has claimed at RationalWiki, there is a genuine privacy issue surrounding this, it does not seem rational to draw further attention to it at other sites. | #The "alleged cyberbullying" involved only identifying Proxima Centauri with a previous account she had used at RationalWiki, which might or might not have been in her own real name. If, as she has claimed at RationalWiki, there is a genuine privacy issue surrounding this, it does not seem rational to draw further attention to it at other sites. | ||
Somebody relatively neutral, please look into this. Thank you. - A concerned RationalWiki editor. [[User:213.106.29.88|213.106.29.88]] 09:11, 28 June 2009 (EDT) | Somebody relatively neutral, please look into this. Thank you. - A concerned RationalWiki editor. [[User:213.106.29.88|213.106.29.88]] 09:11, 28 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
It was suggested that I take up the matter at [[Rationalwikiwiki]] but I didn't do that as I feared that would [ | It was suggested that I take up the matter at [[Rationalwikiwiki]] but I didn't do that as I feared that would [[Wikiversity:A course in troll sockpuppets/Feeding a troll|feed a group of trolls]] who were clamouring to be fed and could [[Wikiversity:A course in troll sockpuppets/Sgt. Troll|make things worse]]. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 10:07, 28 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
:So instead you post a link to your smear in an RWW article? [http:// | :So instead you post a link to your smear in an RWW article? [http://RationalWikiWiki.org/wiki/index.php?title=Leaving_and_never_coming_back&curid=1153&diff=10816&oldid=10805] Very smart. | ||
I have a serious complaint that my privacy wasn't respected and you call that a smear. That's the type of attitude I'd have found if I'd tried to discuss it. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 10:58, 28 June 2009 (EDT) | I have a serious complaint that my privacy wasn't respected and you call that a smear. That's the type of attitude I'd have found if I'd tried to discuss it. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 10:58, 28 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
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:Then why did you post the link to that edit on RWW? The claims that you make on the [[RationalWiki]] article are false, and you must've known that people would come here to defend RW. And once again: '''IT WAS YOU WHO REVEALED YOUR NAME, NOT RATIONALWIKIWIKI'''. | :Then why did you post the link to that edit on RWW? The claims that you make on the [[RationalWiki]] article are false, and you must've known that people would come here to defend RW. And once again: '''IT WAS YOU WHO REVEALED YOUR NAME, NOT RATIONALWIKIWIKI'''. | ||
I didn't reveal my name, | I didn't reveal my name, RationalWikiWiki did. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 11:49, 28 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
:[http:// | :[http://Liberapedia.Wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Ajuk&diff=prev&oldid=21958 Yes] [http://Liberapedia.Wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Ajuk&diff=prev&oldid=22142 you] [http://Liberapedia.Wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Proxima_Centauri&diff=prev&oldid=22003 did]. | ||
I revealed something because I felt it necessary to deal with a crisis at [[Liberapedia]] but I didn't want it splashed around all over the place. And I don't know how obsessive some trolls were to track that down. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 12:11, 28 June 2009 (EDT) | I revealed something because I felt it necessary to deal with a crisis at [[Liberapedia]] but I didn't want it splashed around all over the place. And I don't know how obsessive some trolls were to track that down. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 12:11, 28 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
:You're implying that RationalWiki got your real name from a private email or something like that, while in fact that is not true. You used your real name for your original account | :You're implying that RationalWiki got your real name from a private email or something like that, while in fact that is not true. You used your real name for your original account http://RationalWiki.com/wiki/User:Barbara_Shack. Then you tried to hide behind the Proxima Centauri account, but it was painfully obvious to everyone with at least two brain cells that Proxima Centauri = Barbara Shack. Thanks to your attempts to memory-hole your real name on RWW, you brought more attention to it and now thanks to this episode another wiki knows your real name. Congratulations. | ||
:: <tt>[ | :: <tt>[https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=User_talk%3APeu&diff=67215&oldid=67212:]</tt> I'd prefer the "cyberbulleying" sections to be removed. WikiIndex has no "CyberJudge" role. We should try to describe each wiki in a positive way giving people the chance to make their own experiences. Best regards --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 15:53, 28 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
::: If nobody has objections, I would undo all the edits after the first "cyberbulleying" edits (RW and RWW) - this evening (EDT). --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 03:30, 29 June 2009 (EDT) | ::: If nobody has objections, I would undo all the edits after the first "cyberbulleying" edits (RW and RWW) - this evening (EDT). --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 03:30, 29 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
::::<small>I'd suggest to include undoing this and the User talk:Peu section, too.--[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 03:43, 29 June 2009 (EDT)</small> | ::::<small>I'd suggest to include undoing this and the User talk:Peu section, too.--[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 03:43, 29 June 2009 (EDT)</small> | ||
:::::Why undo the talk page edits? And what do you mean "after the first cyberbulleying edits"? Take a look at the history, this issue has been going on for a lot longer than a few days: PC insists on keeping that nonsensical warning there which implies that we track down and bully people at other websites (again: I came here because she bragged about it on RWW, to remove the smear she inserted as a potshot at RW), while infact a better warning would be to avoid using your real name on the internet, and that would apply to '''ANY''' website. | :::::Why undo the talk page edits? And what do you mean "after the first cyberbulleying edits"? Take a look at the history, this issue has been going on for a lot longer than a few days: PC insists on keeping that nonsensical warning there which implies that we track down and bully people at other websites (again: I came here because she bragged about it on RWW, to remove the smear she inserted as a potshot at RW), while infact a better warning would be to avoid using your real name on the internet, and that would apply to '''ANY''' website. | ||
:::::: I was looking for an agreement that <u>both</u> sides can accept. --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 04:18, 29 June 2009 (EDT) | :::::: I was looking for an agreement that <u>both</u> sides can accept. --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 04:18, 29 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
::::::: On most wikis, Proxima Centauri would be stripped of her sysop rights and barred from editing both articles. She is using this wiki and her sysop rights to pursue this grudge, which is an abuse of privileges. The sentence "Potential users may want to start accounts with usernames that can't be recognised at other websites." which I removed and which she insist on keeping in the article (and uses he sysop rights to keep there), has nothing to do with the issue. Even if she had used a different account on other wikis, her real name would've been revealed, since '''she created an account with her real name''' and then she executed her little vanishing act badly. Her complaints and demands just confirmed the connection between her two accounts, and her further attempts at pursuing this issue have made things even worse (e.g. now this wiki knows her real name too). Furthermore, she linked to her accounts on other wikis on her userpage: using a different username wouldn't have helped there either. I'm sorry, but you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either accept that people will look you up on other sites if you give a link, and maybe even write it down somewhere (e.g. a wiki article about you), or don't make that connection. | ::::::: On most wikis, Proxima Centauri would be stripped of her [[sysop]] rights and barred from editing both articles. She is using this wiki and her sysop rights to pursue this grudge, which is an abuse of privileges. The sentence "Potential users may want to start accounts with usernames that can't be recognised at other websites." which I removed and which she insist on keeping in the article (and uses he sysop rights to keep there), has nothing to do with the issue. Even if she had used a different account on other wikis, her real name would've been revealed, since '''she created an account with her real name''' and then she executed her little vanishing act badly. Her complaints and demands just confirmed the connection between her two accounts, and her further attempts at pursuing this issue have made things even worse (e.g. now this wiki knows her real name too). Furthermore, she linked to her accounts on other wikis on her userpage: using a different username wouldn't have helped there either. I'm sorry, but you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either accept that people will look you up on other sites if you give a link, and maybe even write it down somewhere (e.g. a wiki article about you), or don't make that connection. | ||
:::::::: I unprotected both articles, [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] seems not to be interested in joining this talk again. --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 13:29, 29 June 2009 (EDT) | :::::::: I unprotected both articles, [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] seems not to be interested in joining this talk again. --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 13:29, 29 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::::::::I am interested in this but I felt I needed time to think things over. There are people who could have real big problems with their employers, with their families, with political or religious nuts in their area if their real names came out. I'm not in such a difficult position which is why I could risk it coming out further but I think people should be warned that this can happen. I've put the information into both the [[RationalWiki]] and [[RationalWikiWiki]] articles, there may be a case for altering the wording as I haven't spent much time thinking of a tactful way of putting things, I'm still a bit upset over this. I think the information should stay. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 14:42, 29 June 2009 (EDT) | :::::::::I am interested in this but I felt I needed time to think things over. There are people who could have real big problems with their employers, with their families, with political or religious nuts in their area if their real names came out. I'm not in such a difficult position which is why I could risk it coming out further but I think people should be warned that this can happen. I've put the information into both the [[RationalWiki]] and [[RationalWikiWiki]] articles, there may be a case for altering the wording as I haven't spent much time thinking of a tactful way of putting things, I'm still a bit upset over this. I think the information should stay. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 14:42, 29 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
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Perhaps "Potential users may want to start accounts with usernames that can't be recognised at other websites" should be added to ''every'' article on this wiki? Although, as the one who appears to be being accused of the "cyberbullying" in at least an oblique fashion, perhaps my comments should be taken with a grain of salt. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 19:13, 29 June 2009 (EDT) | Perhaps "Potential users may want to start accounts with usernames that can't be recognised at other websites" should be added to ''every'' article on this wiki? Although, as the one who appears to be being accused of the "cyberbullying" in at least an oblique fashion, perhaps my comments should be taken with a grain of salt. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 19:13, 29 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
Do you know of other wikis which don't respect privacy? If you know any we should add warnings there too. I'm human, I can't deny that my personal annoyance other this is motivating me to some extent though I’m also genuinely concerned that RationalWiki users should know that they risk their identities being revealed. The argument is still valid, Huh Powell is using an [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html Ad Hominem] argument and as a very active RationalWikian Huh Powell has no excuse [http:// | Do you know of other wikis which don't respect privacy? If you know any we should add warnings there too. I'm human, I can't deny that my personal annoyance other this is motivating me to some extent though I’m also genuinely concerned that RationalWiki users should know that they risk their identities being revealed. The argument is still valid, Huh Powell is using an [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html Ad Hominem] argument and as a very active RationalWikian Huh Powell has no excuse [http://RationalWiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ad_hominem&oldid=395999 for not knowing that]. I won’t reveal his real name though he has blatantly sided with those who revealed mine. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 02:14, 30 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::Um, PC/BS, I sign here using my real name. You aren't exactly makig a point by mispelling it. Privacy is respected on RW, and RWW - but you outed your real name on both sites, anyone can follow the diffs to see how - and you have now done so here on this site. Giant clue to privacy: don't use your real name (as you did). And if you accidentally do and regret it, don't turn up the next day with the same obvious writing style - and then complain across three wikis about it. Seriously, you need to get over yourself and your paranoia. Not sure if my comments are "constructive" here on wikiindex or not... [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 02:41, 2 July 2009 (EDT) | :::Um, PC/BS, I sign here using my real name. You aren't exactly makig a point by mispelling it. Privacy is respected on RW, and RWW - but you outed your real name on both sites, anyone can follow the diffs to see how - and you have now done so here on this site. Giant clue to privacy: don't use your real name (as you did). And if you accidentally do and regret it, don't turn up the next day with the same obvious writing style - and then complain across three wikis about it. Seriously, you need to get over yourself and your paranoia. Not sure if my comments are "constructive" here on wikiindex or not... [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 02:41, 2 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
: No. I suggest to become more constructive here. Lets start a new wiki property (criterion) with the name privacy level. I know wikis where no username and no IP is tracked and I know real name networks. Lets close this discussion here and move to [[WikiProject:PrivacyLevels]]. --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 02:51, 30 June 2009 (EDT) | : No. I suggest to become more constructive here. Lets start a new wiki property (criterion) with the name privacy level. I know wikis where no username and no IP is tracked and I know real name networks. Lets close this discussion here and move to [[WikiProject:PrivacyLevels]]. --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 02:51, 30 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
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I agree as sorting out how far wikis respect privacy generally is more important that my personal grievance. We should expose all wikis that don't respect privacy. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 03:41, 30 June 2009 (EDT) | I agree as sorting out how far wikis respect privacy generally is more important that my personal grievance. We should expose all wikis that don't respect privacy. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 03:41, 30 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
:PC, not respecting privacy is what TK does at CP. RationalWikiWiki has very strict rules regarding personal information: your case does not fall into any of the categories that are strictly forbidden (i.e. information from private communication, IP stalking, etc.). You were invited to discuss the matter, in fact RationalWikiWiki was willing to consider your case - the person who inserted the information said they assumed it was common knowledge like other people's real names, e.g Human's, and assumed you wouldn't object; they even removed the offending section after your complaint on RW, pending discussion, but you refused to discuss the matter, and instead resorted to threats of leaving and now petty attacks like this. | :PC, not respecting privacy is what TK does at CP. [[RationalWikiWiki]] has very strict rules regarding personal information: your case does not fall into any of the categories that are strictly forbidden (i.e. information from private communication, IP stalking, etc.). You were invited to discuss the matter, in fact RationalWikiWiki was willing to consider your case - the person who inserted the information said they assumed it was common knowledge like other people's real names, e.g Human's, and assumed you wouldn't object; they even removed the offending section after your complaint on RW, pending discussion, but you refused to discuss the matter, and instead resorted to threats of leaving and now petty attacks like this. | ||
:Another thing for you to consider PC: Weaseloid (AFAIK it was him who made the offending edit at RWW) assumed that it was widely known that you are Barbara Shack, and inserted that information in good faith. After you complained, he removed it and invited you to discuss. You responded by refusing and saying that it would only be feeding the trolls, i.e. you called Weaseloid a troll. I'd be pretty pissed if I were him. | :Another thing for you to consider PC: Weaseloid (AFAIK it was him who made the offending edit at RWW) assumed that it was widely known that you are Barbara Shack, and inserted that information in good faith. After you complained, he removed it and invited you to discuss. You responded by refusing and saying that it would only be feeding the trolls, i.e. you called Weaseloid a troll. I'd be pretty pissed if I were him. | ||
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==Eh, Peu has it covered (RationalWiki, admin abuse)== | ==Eh, Peu has it covered (RationalWiki, admin abuse)== | ||
I was going to instate a formal complaint against Proxima Centauri for pursuing a personal vendetta at [[RationalWiki]] and defending her edits by locking the page, but it appears cooler heads are on the scene, so I'll lie back for now. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 02:50, 2 July 2009 (EDT) | I was going to instate a formal complaint against {{U|Proxima Centauri}} for pursuing a personal vendetta at [[RationalWiki]] and defending her edits by locking the page, but it appears cooler heads are on the scene, so I'll lie back for now. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 02:50, 2 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
==Admin abuse by Proxima Centauri== | ==Admin abuse by Proxima Centauri== | ||
Proxima Centauri is accusing [[RationalWiki]] and [[RationalWikiWiki]] of revealing users' real names. I have asked her to provide evidence on [[Talk:RationalWiki]], her response was to block me and lock the talk page.[ | {{U|Proxima Centauri}} is accusing [[RationalWiki]] and [[RationalWikiWiki]] of revealing users' real names. I have asked her to provide evidence on [[Talk:RationalWiki]], her response was to block me and lock the talk page.[https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=Proxima+Centauri&page=User%3A67.159.44.55] [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=protect&user=Proxima+Centauri&page=Talk%3ARationalWiki] | ||
She claims that RationalWikiWiki revealed her real name, and she attempted to insert this accusation into the RationalWiki article. She locked the article to keep her accusation there even after several people tried to remove it, or make it more neutral. See the [[#Request for admin intervention|section above]]. She is using this wiki as a platform for her revenge ([http:// | She claims that [[RationalWikiWiki]] revealed her real name, and she attempted to insert this accusation into the [[RationalWiki]] article. She locked the article to keep her accusation there even after several people tried to remove it, or make it more neutral. See the [[#Request for admin intervention|section above]]. She is using this wiki as a platform for her revenge ([http://RationalWikiWiki.org/wiki/index.php?title=Leaving_and_never_coming_back&diff=prev&oldid=10804 see this edit]). | ||
She also abused her admin powers in a content dispute over [[Liberapedia]]. She locked the article for a whole month to keep her version there, and threatened to block me on the talk page. | She also abused her admin powers in a content dispute over [[Liberapedia]]. She locked the article for a whole month to keep her version there, and threatened to block me on the talk page. | ||
I believe this kind of behaviour is incompatible with being an administrator, and is harming this wiki. I request that her admin powers be removed, and the articles she locked be unlocked. Thank you. [[User:38.108.111.63|38.108.111.63]] 14:40, 9 July 2009 (EDT) | I believe this kind of behaviour is incompatible with being an [[Sysop|administrator]], and is harming this wiki. I request that her admin powers be removed, and the articles she locked be unlocked. Thank you. [[User:38.108.111.63|38.108.111.63]] 14:40, 9 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
That lot have been trolling and harassing me for over a fortnight and I'm tired of doing nothingg. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 14:53, 9 July 2009 (EDT) | That lot have been trolling and harassing me for over a fortnight and I'm tired of doing nothingg. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 14:53, 9 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
:Did you seriously expect us to sit back and watch as you write falsehoods about RationalWiki on this wiki? Especially since you [http:// | :Did you seriously expect us to sit back and watch as you write falsehoods about [[RationalWiki]] on this wiki? Especially since you [http://RationalWikiWiki.org/wiki/index.php?title=Leaving_and_never_coming_back&diff=prev&oldid=10804 pointed us here]? [[User:38.108.111.63|38.108.111.63]] 14:58, 9 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
::"protected "Talk:RationalWiki" (repeated trolling and harassment. If someone else had been harassed the way I've been I'd probably have blocked the culprits a fortnight ago." PC should not be a sysop, she is a power hungry concern troll with a very personal agenda she is not afraid to use her "power" here to enforce. Someone who cares really needs to look into this. I not that [[Liberapedia]], one of her pet projects that she keeps trying to whitewash at [[RationalWiki]], is protected as of now. Why? [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 06:38, 12 July 2009 (EDT) | ::"protected "[[Talk:RationalWiki]]" (repeated trolling and harassment. If someone else had been harassed the way I've been I'd probably have blocked the culprits a fortnight ago." PC should not be a sysop, she is a power hungry concern troll with a very personal agenda she is not afraid to use her "power" here to enforce. Someone who cares really needs to look into this. I not that [[Liberapedia]], one of her pet projects that she keeps trying to whitewash at [[RationalWiki]], is protected as of now. Why? [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 06:38, 12 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::Because I tried to improve it by removing all the unneeded and confusingly written details of their domain name troubles. | :::Because I tried to improve it by removing all the unneeded and confusingly written details of their domain name troubles. | ||
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[[User:Proxima Centauri]] inserted content advertising her own wiki, [[Liberapedia]], into [[RationalWiki]]. I removed that content and improved the article, as well as corrected factual errors. Proxima Centauri reverted everything, blocked me without warning, then locked [[RationalWiki]]. Please unlock [[RationalWiki]], unblock [[User:Nx]] and remove Proxima Centauri's sysops privileges. Thank you. [[User:Nx]] | [[User:Proxima Centauri]] inserted content advertising her own wiki, [[Liberapedia]], into [[RationalWiki]]. I removed that content and improved the article, as well as corrected factual errors. Proxima Centauri reverted everything, blocked me without warning, then locked [[RationalWiki]]. Please unlock [[RationalWiki]], unblock [[User:Nx]] and remove Proxima Centauri's sysops privileges. Thank you. [[User:Nx]] | ||
:She also threatened a block on me when I removed her advertising, though she did not follow it through. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 16:54, 23 August 2009 (EDT) | :She also threatened a block on me when I removed her advertising, though she did not follow it through. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 16:54, 23 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
::I placed the following comment on a "real" admin's talk page: "Once more, Proxima is abusing her admin rights at [[RationalWiki]]. She has locked the article, and is taking advantage of RW being down to spam pointless links to her own pet wiki, [[Liberapedia]]. She also [ | ::I placed the following comment on a "real" admin's talk page: "Once more, Proxima is abusing her admin rights at [[RationalWiki]]. She has locked the article, and is taking advantage of RW being down to spam pointless links to her own pet wiki, [[Liberapedia]]. She also [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=Proxima+Centauri&page= blocked a user] (Nx) for correcting her incompetence. I repeat, she is a power-mad authoritarian with very poor language and comprehension skills. (I can footnote those accusations if necessary). [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 00:59, 24 August 2009 (EDT)" If this wiki is unable to even address its own drastic shortcomings (mostly consisting of admining block-happy, protect-happy control freaks like PC), how can it claim to report on others? [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 01:04, 24 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::Proxima Centauri says "It can be a shock when a user doesn’t know that he/she is committing a blockable offense and suddenly is looking at a ban window." Ironic, isn't it? [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 01:05, 24 August 2009 (EDT) | :::Proxima Centauri says "It can be a shock when a user doesn’t know that he/she is committing a blockable offense and suddenly is looking at a ban window." Ironic, isn't it? [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 01:05, 24 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
::::She has also protected [[Liberapedia]] for a whole month, after I reworded her <s>paragraph</s> string of character that barely make sense detailing the domain name issue. | ::::She has also protected [[Liberapedia]] for a whole month, after I reworded her <s>paragraph</s> string of character that barely make sense detailing the domain name issue. | ||
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==No "undo" feature to revert to earlier version?== | ==No "undo" feature to revert to earlier version?== | ||
Some | Some [[vandal]]s seem to have a problem with [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] and choose to wage that battle on [[Dan Dascalescu's Wiki]] (in addition to [[WikiIndex:Community portal|Community portal]]). I know I can copy/paste the contents of the oldest sane version, but it would be nice to enable that handy "Undo" link. -- [[User:Dandv|dandv]] 05:28, 24 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
:The vandals have a problem with the blocking of [[User:Nx]], who was removing inaccuracies and link spamming from Proxima Centauri on [[RationalWiki]]. She has since protected the article to keep her version in place. Please do not allow the vandal's immature way of handling this matter to let you ignore Proxima's abuse of power. [[User:92.233.174.117|92.233.174.117]] 05:35, 24 August 2009 (EDT) | :The vandals have a problem with the blocking of [[User:Nx]], who was removing inaccuracies and link spamming from Proxima Centauri on [[RationalWiki]]. She has since protected the article to keep her version in place. Please do not allow the vandal's immature way of handling this matter to let you ignore Proxima's abuse of power. [[User:92.233.174.117|92.233.174.117]] 05:35, 24 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
:: "undo" has now been enabled. -- Even before I log in, when I use the "history" tab to select a "diff" page, I see a page with "Revision as of" near the top of the left half, and "(undo)" near the top of the right half. What do you see on your end? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 10:52, 8 September 2009 (EDT) | :: "undo" has now been enabled. -- Even before I log in, when I use the "history" tab to select a "diff" page, I see a page with "Revision as of" near the top of the left half, and "(undo)" near the top of the right half. What do you see on your end? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 10:52, 8 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
==Blacklist== | ==Blacklist== | ||
[[mw:Extension:Title Blacklist|This]] can stop | [[mw:Extension:Title Blacklist|This]] can stop [[spam]]mers starting pages with certain words like, "buy" though I don't know how to use it. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 11:17, 1 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:It's incompatible with your [[:Category:MediaWiki|mediawiki]] version (1.10), it requires 1.12. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 11:19, 1 September 2009 (EDT) | :It's incompatible with your [[:Category:MediaWiki|mediawiki]] version (1.10), it requires 1.12. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 11:19, 1 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
::Aggh it's all my fault he is gone. Come back Nx. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 14:59, 8 October 2009 (EDT) | ::Aggh it's all my fault he is gone. Come back Nx. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 14:59, 8 October 2009 (EDT) | ||
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