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This '''community talk''' page is a space to ask a question when the question is not directed towards a [[:Category:Wiki People|individual person]] but towards the whole group; or if you don't know who to ask here at | This '''WikiIndex community talk''' page is a space to ask a question when the question is not directed towards a [[:Category:Wiki People|individual person]] but towards the whole group; or if you don't know who to ask here at {{tag|WikiIndex}}. A similar page with similar purposes is '''[[WikiIndex talk:Community portal]]'''. | ||
You may wish to type your question in the search | You may wish to type your question in the search box to see if there has been a question like yours before, or consult the [[WikiIndex:FrequentlyAskedQuestions|WikiIndex FAQ]] – ''before'' you post a question here. | ||
If you wish to comment on an ''existing'' subject here, simply click on '[edit]' next to the relevent subject heading. If you wish to start a ''new'' subject, click on the 'new section' tab at the <u>top</u> of this page (or use keyboard shortcut <tt>Alt-+</tt>), type your comments, add your signature by typing <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code> (four tildes), click on the 'Show preview' button below the edit box (or use keyboard shortcut <tt>Alt-p</tt>) to check your comment, then when you are happy with what you typed, click on 'Save page' (keyboard shortcut <tt>Alt-s</tt>). | If you wish to comment on an ''existing'' subject here, simply click on '[edit]' next to the relevent subject heading. If you wish to start a ''new'' subject, click on the 'new section' tab (may also be identified by a '''+''', depending on which skin you are using) at the <u>top</u> of this page (or use keyboard shortcut <tt>Alt-+</tt>), type your comments, add your signature by typing <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code> (four tildes), click on the 'Show preview' button below the edit box (or use keyboard shortcut <tt>Alt-p</tt>) to check your comment, then when you are happy with what you typed, click on 'Save page' (keyboard shortcut <tt>Alt-s</tt>). | ||
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==rel nofollow on links to wikis== | ==rel nofollow on links to wikis== | ||
I noticed a page on this [[wiki]] that points to one of my wikis. I noticed that the page on this wiki is full of my keywords in the text, meta tags, titles, etc.. I support the idea of this wiki wanting to be a central point for a listing of all wikis, and initially I wasn't too upset about your using the name and keywords of my wiki on your site. | I noticed a page on this [[wiki]] that points to one of my wikis.{{Clarify}} I noticed that the page on this wiki is full of my keywords in the text, meta tags, titles, etc.. I support the idea of this wiki wanting to be a central point for a listing of all wikis, and initially I wasn't too upset about your using the name and keywords of my wiki on your site. | ||
But on further examination, I discovered that your link to my wiki is done as rel="nofollow". This tag causes spiders and indexers to ignore the link, so my wiki gets no benefit in return for your use of my information. Is this fair? | But on further examination, I discovered that your link to my wiki is done as rel="nofollow". This tag causes spiders and indexers to ignore the link, so my wiki gets no benefit in return for your use of my information. Is this fair? | ||
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Essentially you are profiting by the existence of my wiki, along with having my keywords on your site, without giving my wiki the benefit of a real link from yours. | Essentially you are profiting by the existence of my wiki, along with having my keywords on your site, without giving my wiki the benefit of a real link from yours. | ||
I understand all the reasons for using rel="nofollow" to prevent wiki spam. But there are creative ways to selectively drop the rel="nofollow" on links that you want. I think with your use of keywords and titles and names of other wikis, the least you can do is make sure they get a real link in return. | I understand all the reasons for using rel="nofollow" to prevent wiki [[spam]]. But there are creative ways to selectively drop the rel="nofollow" on links that you want. I think with your use of keywords and titles and names of other wikis, the least you can do is make sure they get a real link in return. | ||
:''Not sure I understand this "But there are creative ways to selectively drop the rel="nofollow" on links that you want." - If we have done this to try and prevent wiki spam, how would we do it otherwise? No disrespect is intentioned, so thanks for bringing this issue up. Best, [[MarkDilley]] | :''Not sure I understand this "But there are creative ways to selectively drop the rel="nofollow" on links that you want." - If we have done this to try and prevent wiki spam, how would we do it otherwise? No disrespect is intentioned, so thanks for bringing this issue up. Best, [[MarkDilley]] | ||
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We have decided to turn this feature off. 22-May-2006 | We have decided to turn this feature off. 22-May-2006 | ||
:Has nofollow been unintentionally turned back on? --[[ | :Has nofollow been unintentionally turned back on? --[[Special:Contributions/71.202.61.146|71.202.61.146]] 04:16, 4 June 2007 (EDT) | ||
::Yeah, the default is on, I just turned it off again. Sorry! [[User:John Stanton|John]] 12:35, 4 June 2007 (EDT) | ::Yeah, the default is on, I just turned it off again. Sorry! [[User:John Stanton|John]] 12:35, 4 June 2007 (EDT) | ||
==Renaming categories== | ==Renaming categories== | ||
How do you rename a [[Special:Categories|category]]? I don't mean cutting and pasting text to a new page. You should be able to move the page and its edit history to a new location. I can't do it even if I copy the old page title to the move page URL. Can any admin do it? | How do you [[rename]] a [[Special:Categories|category]]? I don't mean cutting and pasting text to a new page. You should be able to move the page and its edit history to a new location. I can't do it even if I copy the old page title to the move page URL. Can any admin do it? | ||
I prepared to move Category:OddMuse to [[:Category:Oddmuse]], since it is Oddmuse accroding to its [http://www. | I prepared to move Category:OddMuse to [[:Category:Oddmuse]], since it is Oddmuse accroding to its [http://www.Oddmuse.org official website]. I opened all the articles with the OddMuse category in new tabs, edited them, and then noticed that I can't move the category. Ouch. [[User:Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]] 18:10, 7 Mar 2006 (EST) | ||
:It seems [ | :It seems [[meta-wiki:Help:Category#Moving a category page|no-one can move categories]]. [[User:Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]] | ||
==input requested on categorization (meta)== | ==input requested on categorization (meta)== | ||
[[:Category:Browse]] is nicely becoming smaller. One outstanding issue is that we need a new [[Special:Categories|category]] for articles related to the whole wiki community that aren't meta to | [[:Category:Browse]] is nicely becoming smaller. One outstanding issue is that we need a new [[Special:Categories|category]] for articles related to the whole wiki community that aren't meta to {{tag|WikiIndex}}, but sort of meta to all of wikilandia. [[Books]], [[OptOut]], [[WikiIndex:Weblogs|Weblogs]], [[What is a Wiki]] etc. Any suggestions? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 18:52, 15 Mar 2006 (EST) | ||
==[[:Category:Wiki Language]]?== | ==[[:Category:Wiki Language]]?== | ||
Should there be a distinction between [[wiki]]s that are bilingual (e.g. [[WikiIndex]]-English & French), multilingual (e.g. [[Wikimedia Commons]]-multiple languages used within the same wiki), and multiple languages (e.g. most [[Wikimedia Foundation]] projects, such as the [[Wikipedia]], that have versions in different languages [as | Should there be a distinction between [[wiki]]s that are bilingual (e.g. [[WikiIndex]]-English & French), multilingual (e.g. [[Wikimedia Commons]]-multiple languages used within the same wiki), and multiple languages (e.g. most [[:Category:Wikimedia Foundation|Wikimedia Foundation]] projects, such as the [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]], that have versions in different languages [as sub-domains in the case of Wikimedia projects])? [[User:BlankVerse]] | <small>[[User talk:BlankVerse|talk]]</small> 00:44, 27 Mar 2006 (EST) | ||
:I just created Category:Deutsch as a redirect to [[:Category:German]]. This works in the sense that if you click on the Deutsch link under the categories at the bottom of the page you will go to Category:German. The problem is that any articles tagged with only Category:Deutsch do not show up under Category:German. After thinking about it, I am now changing Category:Deutsch to be a sub-category under [[:Category:German]]. I think that is the better to do things. I'll also do the same thing with Category:Español. [[User:BlankVerse]] | <small>[[User talk:BlankVerse|talk]]</small> 20:47, 29 Mar 2006 (EST) | |||
:I just created | |||
{{CategoryDiscussions}} | {{CategoryDiscussions}} | ||
==Help namespace== | ==Help namespace== | ||
There is a "Help:" namespace. Should we start utilizing it? I don't mind moving all the pages in the help category myself. —[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 14:51, 27 Mar 2006 (EST) | There is a "Help:" [[WikiIndex:Namespace conventions|namespace]]. Should we start utilizing it? I don't mind moving all the pages in the help category myself. —[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 14:51, 27 Mar 2006 (EST) | ||
:Sean, what pages do you think we already have that would go in to the '''Help:''' namespace, and by saying "we already have it" - you mean because the search is already set up for '''Help:'''? Best, [[MarkDilley]] | |||
Sean, what pages do you think we already have that would go in to the '''Help:''' namespace, and by saying "we already have it" - you mean because the search is already set up for '''Help:'''? Best, [[MarkDilley]] | |||
==is | ==is MailedTo a wiki?== | ||
I'm not even sure this is supposed to be public -- perhaps it's only a temporary experiment. | I'm not even sure this is supposed to be public -- perhaps it's only a temporary experiment. Should we list it anyway? http://MailedTo.com/wiki2/ --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 01:02, 29 Mar 2006 (EST) | ||
Should we list it anyway? http:// | |||
:David, I looked at it, and it looks cool, but I am not sure I get it. Please list it if you want. Best, [[MarkDilley]] | :David, I looked at it, and it looks cool, but I am not sure I get it. Please list it if you want. Best, [[MarkDilley]] | ||
:: | ::MailedTo.com is just one of those [[spam]]my psuedo-search portal sites that hijack your search terms from other search engines and make you go through them. There's probably a name for that, but I don't know what it is. Anyway, it certainly isn't a wiki. [Just Passing Through] [[Special:Contributions/68.166.37.234|68.166.37.234]] 16:58, 27 June 2008 (EDT) | ||
==private wiki advice needed== | ==private wiki advice needed== | ||
I have a friend that wants a private wiki for his business. I tried to help him set up [[:Category: | I have a friend that wants a [[:Category:Private|private]] wiki for his business. I tried to help him set up [[:Category:UseMod Wiki|UseMod Wiki]] and failed. He knows about and has used [[:Category:PBWiki|PBwiki]] and is worried about his data if they go under. Where should he go to feel secure about both his data not being seen and his data not disappearing at some point. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 11:28, 4 May 2006 (EDT) | ||
:''Does your friend want a free service or can they pay?'' [[MarkDilley]] | :''Does your friend want a free service or can they pay?'' [[MarkDilley]] | ||
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In order of who I have known longer: | In order of who I have known longer: | ||
*[[:Category:Socialtext|Socialtext]] - talk to [[Sunir Shah]] | *[[:Category:Socialtext|Socialtext]] - talk to [[Sunir Shah]] | ||
*[[:Category:Confluence|Confluence]] [[:Category:Atlassian|Atlassian]] - | *[[:Category:Confluence|Confluence]] [[:Category:Atlassian|Atlassian]] - https://www.Atlassian.com/software/confluence - Mike fron [[RecentChangesCamp]] | ||
*[[:Category:Wetpaint|Wetpaint]] - Ray has met these folks. | *[[:Category:Wetpaint|Wetpaint]] - Ray has met these folks. | ||
Also | Also https://DreamHost.com maybe able to help, they have a one click install of a MediaWiki. -- [[MarkDilley]] | ||
:Thanks. I have no idea what to do once I arrive at these links. The last option is something you get if you sign up for a paid hosting plan? Howard | :Thanks. I have no idea what to do once I arrive at these links. The last option is something you get if you sign up for a paid hosting plan? Howard | ||
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==Questions go where? == | ==Questions go where? == | ||
How do I know if my question goes on Community talk or talk: Community talk? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 11:44, 22 Jan 2006 (EST) | How do I know if my question goes on Community talk or talk: Community talk? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 11:44, 22 Jan 2006 (EST) | ||
:Community talk is the article descibing the page (and maybe decisions?), talk is where the action happens. Me thinks :-) [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] | |||
::I've merged the two pages now, so problem should be solved. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] 09:51, 30 August 2006 (EDT) | ::I've merged the two pages now, so problem should be solved. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] 09:51, 30 August 2006 (EDT) | ||
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Mark, I would like to make the same proposal as the one in [http://www. | Mark, I would like to make the same proposal as the one in [http://www.WorldWideWiki.net/wiki/WorldWideWikiView WorldWideWiki], but it seems that it is not possible to transclude anything into MediaWiki... (or to include HTML/Iframe). An other question is: [[Where is the rss feed]]? of [[WikiIndex]]. [[User:OlivierAuber|OlivierAuber]] 10:44, 22 Jan 2006 (EST) | ||
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Can we map the logos to | Can we map the logos to [[Template:Wiki|wiki]] 'url' field, i.e. the main page? I think that images will draw people and their clicking getting to the image page is less relevant, but if that is the way it is, that would be fine! :-) [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] | ||
:Yep. Pipe the external link to the full URL of the image. —[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 14:48, 27 Mar 2006 (EST) | :Yep. Pipe the external link to the full URL of the image. —[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 14:48, 27 Mar 2006 (EST) | ||
Thanks Sean, so we can hard wire the image to the front page of the wiki being referenced? If so, can you show me documentation? Best, [[MarkDilley]] | Thanks Sean, so we can hard wire the image to the front page of the wiki being referenced? If so, can you show me documentation? Best, [[MarkDilley]] | ||
:See what I did on [[TextMate Wiki]]. Sorry it took me so long to respond. I thought this page was on my [[watchlist]]. It is now. —[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 15:29, 10 June 2006 (EDT) | |||
:See what I did on [[TextMate Wiki]]. Sorry it took me so long to respond. I thought this page was on my watchlist. It is now. —[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 15:29, 10 June 2006 (EDT) | |||
==social-ism== | ==social-ism== | ||
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==technical glitch== | ==technical glitch== | ||
Hello folks, I don't use watched pages very much. But I do on my user talk page, or did, way back when and I try to unwatch it. that doesn't work, every time I unwatch it, the next login, it is being watched again, any ideas? [[MarkDilley]] | Hello folks, I don't use watched pages very much. But I do on my [[user talk]] page, or did, way back when and I try to unwatch it. that doesn't work, every time I unwatch it, the next login, it is being watched again, any ideas? [[MarkDilley]] | ||
:I can only guess that that's a MediaWiki feature. If you don't use the [[Special:Watchlist|watchlist]], does having something on there impact you somewhere else? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:04, 6 June 2006 (EDT) | :I can only guess that that's a MediaWiki feature. If you don't use the [[Special:Watchlist|watchlist]], does having something on there impact you somewhere else? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:04, 6 June 2006 (EDT) | ||
No, just annoying! :-) [[MarkDilley]] | No, just annoying! :-) [[MarkDilley]] | ||
:I'm sorry to hear you're annoyed, my friend. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:11, 6 June 2006 (EDT) | :I'm sorry to hear you're annoyed, my friend. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:11, 6 June 2006 (EDT) | ||
::In [[Special:Preferences]] there is an option to add every page you edit to your watchlist. You may want to turn that off if it's not already off. --[[User:Carlb|Carlb]] 22:59, 10 June 2006 (EDT) | |||
In [[Special:Preferences]] there is an option to add every page you edit to your watchlist. You may want to turn that off if it's not already off. --[[User:Carlb|Carlb]] 22:59, 10 June 2006 (EDT) | :::It seems that our '''[[user talk]]''' pages are always in bold, is that true? [[MarkDilley]] | ||
::::Your own user page can't be un-watched. I think it's somehow connected to talk page notification. —[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 00:56, 3 July 2006 (EDT) | |||
It seems that our '''[[user talk]]''' pages are always in bold, is that true? [[MarkDilley]] | |||
:Your own user page can't be un-watched. I think it's somehow connected to talk page notification. —[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 00:56, 3 July 2006 (EDT) | |||
==OpenG== | ==OpenG== | ||
Is there a wiki for the G programming language? If one exists, I'd like to list it in the [[WikiIndex]]. I see what appears to be one using [[:Category:TikiWiki|TikiWiki]] at | Is there a wiki for the G programming language? If one exists, I'd like to list it in the [[WikiIndex]]. I see what appears to be one using [[:Category:TikiWiki|TikiWiki]] at http://OpenG.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Whats%20New , but the big red warning at the top makes me suspect that it is going offline soon(?), to be replaced by a phpBB (which is non-wiki, right?). (Or do they plan to keep both running indefinitely, so people can use whichever one they feel comfortable with?). (G is the [[visual]] programming language used in [[Wikipedia:LabVIEW]]). --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 11:11, 24 June 2006 (EDT) | ||
http:// | |||
, but the big red warning at the top makes me suspect that it is going offline soon(?), to be replaced by a phpBB (which is non-wiki, right?). (Or do they plan to keep both running indefinitely, so people can use whichever one they feel comfortable with?). (G is the [[visual]] programming language used in [[Wikipedia:LabVIEW]]). --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 11:11, 24 June 2006 (EDT) | |||
==can't save edits to [[Wikis by response time]]== | ==can't save edits to [[Wikis by response time]]== | ||
It looks like all edits are being blocked by the spam filter because the page contains the characters '. h t m l' somewhere., edits to THIS page were blocked because it contained the letters 'x x x', I changed them to 'yyy' -- [[User:Versageek|Versageek]] 15:37, 30 July 2006 (EDT) | It looks like all edits are being blocked by the spam filter because the page contains the characters '. h t m l' somewhere., edits to THIS page were blocked because it contained the letters 'x x x', I changed them to 'yyy' -- [[User:Versageek|Versageek]] 15:37, 30 July 2006 (EDT) | ||
:I didn't even know we '''had''' a spam filter. —[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 17:49, 1 August 2006 (EDT) | :I didn't even know we '''had''' a spam filter. —[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 17:49, 1 August 2006 (EDT) | ||
==[[WikiNode]] question== | ==[[WikiNode]] question== | ||
I recently put my | I recently put my wiki up [[Trendpedia]] and today I saw an article on my wiki http://Trendpedia.ElWiki.com/WikiNode and I am trying to figure out what the article is supposed to be. Since it was done by an [[IP editor|IP]] and I'm not sure if they'll check back, I'm asking here. The thing is, it looks like a welcome message. I am not sure how to develop it. Is it supposed to be an article about [[WikiNode]] or [[WikiIndex]]? Why does it link to my wiki's recent changes and main page? [[User:ZealPalace|ZealPalace]] 05:29, 22 August 2006 (EDT) | ||
:That was me. Have you had a chance to see anything about the WikiNodes network? [[WikiNodes Wiki|WikiNodes]] are pretty cool, and allow you to show anyone the wikis that are "neighbors" of yours. So that page is just a generic template that I pasted in. It linked back to your page on [[WikiIndex]] so you'd know it was us. Feel free to change anything on the page, including the links to your RC and mainpage. Change those to the most important pages on your site and add links to the wikinodes of sites you consider to be your neighbors. Please let me know if you'd like to talk more about this. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 05:36, 22 August 2006 (EDT) | :That was me. Have you had a chance to see anything about the WikiNodes network? [[WikiNodes Wiki|WikiNodes]] are pretty cool, and allow you to show anyone the wikis that are "neighbors" of yours. So that page is just a generic template that I pasted in. It linked back to your page on [[WikiIndex]] so you'd know it was us. Feel free to change anything on the page, including the links to your RC and mainpage. Change those to the most important pages on your site and add links to the wikinodes of sites you consider to be your neighbors. Please let me know if you'd like to talk more about this. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 05:36, 22 August 2006 (EDT) | ||
::I still don't quite get it, but I also think all of my wiki is lost. Please see my comment at [[Category talk:ElWiki]]. [[User:ZealPalace|ZealPalace]] 14:10, 23 August 2006 (EDT) | ::I still don't quite get it, but I also think all of my wiki is lost. Please see my comment at [[Category talk:ElWiki]]. [[User:ZealPalace|ZealPalace]] 14:10, 23 August 2006 (EDT) | ||
That's a drag. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:26, 23 August 2006 (EDT) | |||
Well it's back up now without explanation. It's really hard to find a good [[wiki farm]], I find, though. [[Editthis.info]] has a size limit. [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]] may cause you to lose control of your wiki at any time. The rest either give you a single page or are not [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]]. [[User:ZealPalace|ZealPalace]] 21:29, 23 August 2006 (EDT) | Well it's back up now without explanation. It's really hard to find a good [[wiki farm]], I find, though. [[Editthis.info]] has a size limit. [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]] may cause you to lose control of your wiki at any time. The rest either give you a single page or are not [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]]. [[User:ZealPalace|ZealPalace]] 21:29, 23 August 2006 (EDT) | ||
==Sitemap== | ==Sitemap== | ||
I can't tell if [[WikiIndex]] already has a sitemap, but if not, I have been using this at [[Film-Flam]] with good effect: http://www. | I can't tell if [[WikiIndex]] already has a sitemap, but if not, I have been using this at [[Film-Flam]] with good effect: http://www.ThinkLemon.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Google_Sitemaps. Worth considering to improve your [[:Category:Google|Google]] indexing. [[User:Dryguy|Dryguy]] 19:17, 22 August 2006 (EDT) | ||
A sitemap is just a list of pages that are on a website ( | A sitemap is just a list of pages that are on a website (https://En.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitemap). Google Sitemaps (https://www.Google.com/webmasters/sitemaps/) is a service that allows you to tell Google where to find your sitemap. Doing so improves Google's ability to index your website, if the sitemap is in the right format. In my case, it has resulted in my site going from not being indexed by Google at all, to actually appearing as a result for certain search terms. The PHP script linked above can be installed by the site administrators to automatically generate a Google-compatible sitemap for a [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] based website. As I understand it, this helps ensure that Google will find and index new pages on your site fairly soon after they are created. I would guess it can also help Google recognize the difference between a temporary connection problem vs. a page on the site that no longer exists. There is also the added benefit that you can use the Google sitemap tools to view statistics about what keywords are generating Google hits for your site. [[User:Dryguy|Dryguy]] 18:24, 23 August 2006 (EDT) | ||
:Hi. I think the idea sounds good, is it possible for you to start the process, or do we have to have an administrator do it? Cheers, [[MarkDilley]] | :Hi. I think the idea sounds good, is it possible for you to start the process, or do we have to have an administrator do it? Cheers, [[MarkDilley]] | ||
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:Ok, I will let [[John Stanton]] know about it. Best, [[MarkDilley]] | :Ok, I will let [[John Stanton]] know about it. Best, [[MarkDilley]] | ||
We had a flatfile Google sitemap up until the last upgrade of [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] and apparently it did not survive the upgrade :-) I just implemented the automatic xml version suggested above and it seems to work great! We will need to keep an eye on it because 1) it is not qualified for mediawiki 1.6.5 and 2) it takes a bit of time to generate the output (it found 7804 wiki pages on the trial run). You can see the output yourself at <nowiki> | We had a flatfile Google sitemap up until the last upgrade of [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] and apparently it did not survive the upgrade :-) I just implemented the automatic xml version suggested above and it seems to work great! We will need to keep an eye on it because 1) it is not qualified for mediawiki 1.6.5 and 2) it takes a bit of time to generate the output (it found 7804 wiki pages on the trial run). You can see the output yourself at <nowiki>https://WikiIndex.org/sitemap.xml.php</nowiki> (moved to https://WikiIndex.org/sitemap.xml.php and may not exist any more) be patient because it takes several seconds to generate the output. [[User:John Stanton|John]] 12:13, 28 August 2006 (EDT) | ||
:Hi John, you may want to alter the SQL Statement by limiting the number of pages fetched (SELECT TOP 200 ... or the likes). That way only the last X edits will show up. Google will fetch the sitemap every 12 hours or so, therefore it'll only get the latest batch of updated pages. Of course find some values that'll work for this site. I don't know how many edits per day you're having here. Cheers Caspar/[http://www. | :Hi John, you may want to alter the SQL Statement by limiting the number of pages fetched (SELECT TOP 200 ... or the likes). That way only the last X edits will show up. Google will fetch the sitemap every 12 hours or so, therefore it'll only get the latest batch of updated pages. Of course find some values that'll work for this site. I don't know how many edits per day you're having here. Cheers Caspar/[http://www.ThinkLemon.com] [[ThinkLemon]]. (Oh and if the MediaWiki database schema did not change from 1.5 to 1.6 it should work fine. Haven't tried it myself though. ;-)) | ||
Hi Casper, I'm going to keep an eye on it to see what the impact is before I change the SQL but thanks for the suggestion. The database schema had a significant change between 1.5 and 1.6 and that's what worried me but I tested it on my personal wiki and it seems to work fine. Thanks! [[User:John Stanton|John]] 14:57, 28 August 2006 (EDT) | Hi Casper, I'm going to keep an eye on it to see what the impact is before I change the SQL but thanks for the suggestion. The database schema had a significant change between 1.5 and 1.6 and that's what worried me but I tested it on my personal wiki and it seems to work fine. Thanks! [[User:John Stanton|John]] 14:57, 28 August 2006 (EDT) | ||
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When I do a search on "concepts", I see that #11 in the results is the page about the [[CTM Wiki]]. | When I do a search on "concepts", I see that #11 in the results is the page about the [[CTM Wiki]]. | ||
If I type "ctm" or "CTM" into the search box, then bang on the "Search" or "Add" button, | If I type "ctm" or "CTM" into the search box, then bang on the "Search" or "Add" button, I expect to see that page listed somewhere in the results. Instead, I see a page that claims: <code>"No page title matches" and "No page text matches"</code>. Can we fix this bug? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 22:07, 22 August 2006 (EDT) | ||
I expect to see that page listed somewhere in the results. Instead, I see a page that claims: | |||
Can we fix this bug? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 22:07, 22 August 2006 (EDT) | |||
:It's a [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] thing. Their search is awful and hasn't been worked on for a long time. I don´t believe we have the expertise among us to handle it. I'd recommend making a | :It's a [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] thing. Their search is awful and hasn't been worked on for a long time. I don´t believe we have the expertise among us to handle it. I'd recommend making a [[redirect]] from 'CTM'. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:00, 23 August 2006 (EDT) | ||
By default you cant have a search string less than four characgters in length in MySQL. It's possible to change this setting however. | By default you cant have a search string less than four characgters in length in MySQL. It's possible to change this setting however. | ||
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==OpenID== | ==OpenID== | ||
Hi, all. I wanted to point out that there's now an [http://www. | Hi, all. I wanted to point out that there's now an [http://www.OpenID.net OpenID] extension for [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] that lets people log into one MW wiki with an account from another wiki. I think it'd be particularly useful for a meta-community site like [[WikiIndex]]. The software is available from https://svn.Wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/OpenID/ in the MediaWiki subversion library, and I'd be happy to help get it installed. --[[User:Evan|Evan]] 11:22, 7 September 2006 (EDT) | ||
:There's a more useful page at [[mw:Extension:OpenID]]. I would ''love'' to help someone at WikiIndex install this software, step-by-step if needed. --[[User:Evan|Evan]] 14:20, 3 February 2007 (PST) | :There's a more useful page at [[mw:Extension:OpenID]]. I would ''love'' to help someone at WikiIndex install this software, step-by-step if needed. --[[User:Evan|Evan]] 14:20, 3 February 2007 (PST) | ||
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==How are you doing hotlinking in mediawiki== | ==How are you doing hotlinking in mediawiki== | ||
On my wiki's article here <nowiki> | On my wiki's article here <nowiki>https://WikiIndex.org/Trendpedia well</nowiki> it's hotlinking my logo. I can't find how this happens. {{{logo}}} with three { and } instead of two is the only thing I see and that's in the wiki template, which is full of the three { and } things. Two is templates. So what are the three? I'm more interested in how this is done and what the three { } are above. I would actually prefer to keep the image hotlinked because it lets me test if I have hotlinks blocked, which I think I finally figured out how to do thanks to this site. [[User:ZealPalace|ZealPalace]] 05:52, 9 September 2006 (EDT) | ||
: [[Sean Fennel]] is the one that probably knows the answer to this one. [[MarkDilley]] | : [[Sean Fennel]] is the one that probably knows the answer to this one. [[MarkDilley]] | ||
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==For those of you who function better in UseMod== | ==For those of you who function better in UseMod== | ||
The skin "[[:Category:Nostalgia|Nostalgia]]" was designed to mimic [[:Category:UseMod Wiki|UseMod]], and does a pretty good job of it. I just found it in my preferences and was quite impressed. The only major difference is that the page title isn't a link to "What Links Here" a.k.a. [[Backlink|BackLinks]]. — <span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 14:35, 9 September 2006 (EDT) | The skin "[[:Category:Nostalgia|Nostalgia]]" was designed to mimic [[:Category:UseMod Wiki|UseMod Wiki]], and does a pretty good job of it. I just found it in my preferences and was quite impressed. The only major difference is that the page title isn't a link to "What Links Here" a.k.a. [[Backlink|BackLinks]]. — <span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 14:35, 9 September 2006 (EDT) | ||
==Broader wikis== | ==Broader wikis== | ||
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: This wiki is a community effort, so if you've got a plan and want to set up an project to carry it out, by all means, do so. You are also welcome to join us for a [[WikiIndex:Happening|Happening]] if you'd like to talk things over or present a specific proposal and have a chance to get real-time feedback. Or not. And just get to work! :-) No worries either way. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 18:02, 15 September 2006 (EDT) | : This wiki is a community effort, so if you've got a plan and want to set up an project to carry it out, by all means, do so. You are also welcome to join us for a [[WikiIndex:Happening|Happening]] if you'd like to talk things over or present a specific proposal and have a chance to get real-time feedback. Or not. And just get to work! :-) No worries either way. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 18:02, 15 September 2006 (EDT) | ||
::Excellent - will do this. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 00:36, 21 September 2006 (EDT) | ::Excellent - will do this. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 00:36, 21 September 2006 (EDT) | ||
:::So ... you want to list each book on Wikibooks, each major Wikipedia topic, and each Wikipedia Wikiproject, as if it were an independent wiki? That sounds fine. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 17:01, 17 April 2007 (PDT) | |||
::: So ... you want to list each book on Wikibooks, each major Wikipedia topic, and each Wikipedia Wikiproject, as if it were an independent wiki? That sounds fine. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 17:01, 17 April 2007 (PDT) | |||
==[[User:Singkong2005/The Wiki Synergy Project|The Wiki Synergy Project]]== | ==[[User:Singkong2005/The Wiki Synergy Project|The Wiki Synergy Project]]== | ||
I've started [[User:Singkong2005/The Wiki Synergy Project|The Wiki Synergy Project]] in my userspace. The idea is to encourage greater synergy between related wikis (particularly in sustainability & development, which are my main interest, and which overlap a lot). The idea is that when I contact wikis to talk about these ideas, I can link them to this page, which will explain everything. It will also provide a neutral place for people to talk about these ideas. | I've started [[User:Singkong2005/The Wiki Synergy Project|The Wiki Synergy Project]] in my userspace. The idea is to encourage greater synergy between related wikis (particularly in sustainability & development, which are my main interest, and which overlap a lot). The idea is that when I contact wikis to talk about these ideas, I can link them to this page, which will explain everything. It will also provide a neutral place for people to talk about these ideas. | ||
I'd appreciate feedback, and if anyone wants to join the effort, that would be great. | I'd appreciate feedback, and if anyone wants to join the effort, that would be great. As I said, my concern is wikis on sustainability & development, but I'm sure the same issues apply elsewhere, so I'm keeping the project as as broad as possible. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 00:37, 21 September 2006 (EDT) | ||
==question from [[Special:Contributions/66.36.243.77|66.36.243.77]] moved from off-topic places== | |||
Sorry for your time.... Why i can't see images on this resource? My Browser is: Opera. Thank you. | Sorry for your time.... Why i can't see images on this resource? My Browser is: Opera. Thank you. | ||
:See also [http://www. | :See also [http://www.Appropedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page this response to the same question] on [[Appropedia]]. | ||
:Let us know if this helps. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 21:07, 10 October 2006 (EDT) | :Let us know if this helps. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 21:07, 10 October 2006 (EDT) | ||
==Feedback== | ==Feedback== | ||
[[Feedback | [[Feedback]] – there, you have my idea. What do you think about it? Want to add your wiki? --[[User:Let's|Let's]] 12:02, 10 November 2006 (EST) | ||
=="BuildingControlsWiki"== | =="BuildingControlsWiki"== | ||
On page https://wiki. | On page https://wiki.Ubuntu.com/InterWiki. I see a link to a "[[BuildingControlsWiki]]". Apparently, that page (including that link) was copied from http://moinmaster.WikiWikiWeb.de/InterWikiMap. Alas, it appears that wiki has gone offline. Or perhaps it moved? does anyone know where? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 01:12, 22 November 2006 (EST) | ||
==Category images== | ==Category images== | ||
If it's not too server-painful, we can upload an image for each category, for example a French flag for [[:Category:French]], or a image of an iPod at [[:Category:iPod]]. <span title="gotta love Wii">–</span> [[Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:Smiddle|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 11:23, 7 December 2006 (EST) | If it's not too server-painful, we can upload an image for each category, for example a French flag for [[:Category:French]], or a image of an iPod at [[:Category:iPod]]. <span title="gotta love Wii">–</span> [[Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:Smiddle|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 11:23, 7 December 2006 (EST) | ||
:If you're looking for flags, | :If you're looking for flags, OpenClipart.org has a reasonably full set as public-domain .SVG's. Perhaps you could use those? --[[Special:Contributions/66.102.73.18|66.102.73.18]] 02:22, 15 December 2006 (EST) | ||
==Duplicate categories== | ==Duplicate categories== | ||
We do seem to have many redundant categories, for instance [[:category: | We do seem to have many redundant categories, for instance [[:category:Game]] / [[:category:Games]] / [[:category:Gaming]]. These seem to often be being #REDIRECT'ed - not necessarily the best approach, as a redirected page still appears to be a blue link and therefore is prone to keep getting added to articles. Would deleting the duplicates entirely so that they become [[red link]]s be more likely to discourage their recreation or re-use? The [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASmiddle&diff=37811&oldid=37514 politics] is, I presume, just a sideshow and the creation of multiple near-identical categories in most cases merely an accident, but I thought it would be best to ask here instead of trying to find a "votes for speedy deletion" tag for them. | ||
This is a community-created site, without a top-down determination of which categories we ought to be using. If you see duplication, feel free to clean it up. You can also use '''<nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki>''' for an empty category that needs to be removed. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:27, 15 December 2006 (EST) | :This is a community-created site, without a top-down determination of which categories we ought to be using. If you see duplication, feel free to clean it up. You can also use '''<nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki>''' for an empty category that needs to be removed. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:27, 15 December 2006 (EST) | ||
==Research and analysis collaboration?== | ==Research and analysis collaboration?== | ||
Is anyone interested in working together to learn what is most effective or critical for wikis, especially attracting contributors? If so, please see the [http://www. | Is anyone interested in working together to learn what is most effective or critical for wikis, especially attracting contributors? If so, please see the [http://www.Wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Analysis_collaboration%3F discussion] at [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]]. [[User:Maurreen|Maurreen]] 15:06, 10 December 2006 (EST) | ||
==Changing username== | ==Changing username== | ||
If I want to change my username, should I just open a new account, or is possible (easy) to change it and keep the edit history, like I did on [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] at [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Changing username]]? Thanks --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 00:41, 19 December 2006 (PST) | If I want to change my [[username]], should I just open a new account, or is possible (easy) to change it and keep the [[edit history]], like I did on [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] at [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Changing username]]? Thanks --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 00:41, 19 December 2006 (PST) | ||
: I just looked at the wikipedia page and they have a special page for "rename user" which we do not have. Is this some kind of extension? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 22:35, 19 December 2006 (PST) | :I just looked at the wikipedia page and they have a special page for "rename user" which we do not have. Is this some kind of extension? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 22:35, 19 December 2006 (PST) | ||
::[[Meta-Wiki:Renameuser|Yes it is]]. They have [[Wikipedia:Special:Version|quite a few]] pretty nifty extensions there. — <span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 15:44, 20 December 2006 (PST) | ::[[Meta-Wiki:Renameuser|Yes it is]]. They have [[Wikipedia:Special:Version|quite a few]] pretty nifty extensions there. — <span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 15:44, 20 December 2006 (PST) | ||
As of 2013, 'rename user' is now installed. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 04:39, 31 October 2013 (UTC) | As of 2013, 'rename user' is now installed. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 04:39, 31 October 2013 (UTC) | ||
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I couldn't even post this message until I removed the url in the message. This is obviously not working the way it should, if it blocks legitimate editing. | I couldn't even post this message until I removed the url in the message. This is obviously not working the way it should, if it blocks legitimate editing. | ||
Obviously we want to stop spam, but it must be a different way - what about having the box with wavy letters that we have to type in, or a simple arithmetic problem (e.g. "75-2="), or something like that? And even that should only be necessary for anons or new users. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 15:20, 27 December 2006 (PST) | Obviously we want to stop [[spam]], but it must be a different way - what about having the box with wavy letters that we have to type in, or a simple arithmetic problem (e.g. "75-2="), or something like that? And even that should only be necessary for anons or new users. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 15:20, 27 December 2006 (PST) | ||
:CAPTCHAs are rather difficult to implement effectively, and really only stop spambots. I think (hope) I've created a whitelist and added that as the first entry. — <span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 16:05, 1 January 2007 (PST) | :CAPTCHAs are rather difficult to implement effectively, and really only stop spambots. I think (hope) I've created a whitelist and added that as the first entry. — <span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 16:05, 1 January 2007 (PST) | ||
:Spambots are the source of most of the wiki linkspam at the moment, and blacklists are doing a poor job of dealing with the problems as spammers are free to just register more domain names and hide behind a long list of open proxies scattered across the net. There is an extension (ConfirmEdit) available from MediaWiki's SVN that provides a captcha (or asks for the answer to a maths problem) - I've found it to be the most effective way to stop 'bots from posting anything with any external links. This would be the majority of rubbish pages with trailing /'s, /index.php/ or other nonsense in the titles. --[[User:Carlb|Carlb]] 10:09, 14 May 2007 (EDT) | :Spambots are the source of most of the wiki linkspam at the moment, and blacklists are doing a poor job of dealing with the problems as spammers are free to just register more domain names and hide behind a long list of open proxies scattered across the net. There is an extension (ConfirmEdit) available from MediaWiki's SVN that provides a captcha (or asks for the answer to a maths problem) - I've found it to be the most effective way to stop 'bots from posting anything with any external links. This would be the majority of rubbish pages with trailing /'s, /index.php/ or other nonsense in the titles. --[[User:Carlb|Carlb]] 10:09, 14 May 2007 (EDT) | ||
:We use the wikimedia blacklist for most of our link spam filtering see: [ | :We use the wikimedia blacklist for most of our link spam filtering see: [[meta-wiki:Spam blacklist|spam blacklist]] if your url appears in that blacklist you should probably notify them because many wikis use that list to control spam. [[User:John Stanton|John]] 18:53, 15 May 2007 (EDT) | ||
It's been brought up before, but the blacklist makes it impossible to edit the entry on [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]. I was only planning to update the statistics and the logo. Is there a way to whitelist ED such that the article can be edited by registered users? [[User:Dianoga|Dianoga]] 18:28, 19 December 2007 (EST) | It's been brought up before, but the blacklist makes it impossible to edit the entry on [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]. I was only planning to update the statistics and the logo. Is there a way to whitelist ED such that the article can be edited by registered users? [[User:Dianoga|Dianoga]] 18:28, 19 December 2007 (EST) | ||
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==RecentChanges.info== | ==RecentChanges.info== | ||
What happened to the [[RecentChanges.info]] blog ( | What happened to the [[RecentChanges.info]] blog (http://RecentChanges.info)? I followed the instructions on [[:Category:Draft weblog article|draft weblog article]] to add my wiki posting to [[Template:WikiSpotlight]], but RecentChanges.info seems to have had no update since August 21, 2006! --[[Special:Contributions/84.155.249.44|84.155.249.44]] 10:19, 13 January 2007 (PST) | ||
==WikiIndex.org== | ==WikiIndex.org== | ||
What's up with | What's up with https://WikiIndex.org/ ? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 17:01, 17 April 2007 (PDT) | ||
: Don't know what happened there but I'll check it out [[User:John Stanton|John]] 10:27, 20 April 2007 (PDT) | : Don't know what happened there but I'll check it out [[User:John Stanton|John]] 10:27, 20 April 2007 (PDT) | ||
:: Could you check this again? Thank you. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 07:23, 20 September 2010 (PDT) | :: Could you check this again? Thank you. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 07:23, 20 September 2010 (PDT) | ||
==Images== | ==Images== | ||
Hm, what happened to the (formerly possible) hardlinking of logos? And what happened to some disappeared images like [[: | Hm, what happened to the (formerly possible) hardlinking of logos? And what happened to some disappeared images like [[:File:LüneburgWikiLogo.JPG]], are they lost? --[[User:Rh|Rh]] 23:21, 26 April 2007 (PDT) | ||
:As far as I know, it still works. As for that image, I'll look through the deletion logs and see if it's there. — <span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 21:15, 1 May 2007 (PDT) | :As far as I know, it still works. As for that image, I'll look through the deletion logs and see if it's there. — <span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 21:15, 1 May 2007 (PDT) | ||
::Ah, something's linking to it as a wiki page rather than a file. Ping John on that. — <span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 21:18, 1 May 2007 (PDT) | ::Ah, something's linking to it as a wiki page rather than a file. Ping John on that. — <span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 21:18, 1 May 2007 (PDT) | ||
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==Open Call for Editors to Participate in Research Project== | ==Open Call for Editors to Participate in Research Project== | ||
Hi there! My name is Jim Sutton and I'm undertaking research in the School of Library, | Hi there! My name is Jim Sutton and I'm undertaking research in the School of Library, Archive, and Information Studies, UCL, [[:Category:London|London]]. http://www.slais.ucl.ac.uk/ | ||
Archive, and Information Studies, UCL, [[:Category:London|London]]. http://www.slais.ucl.ac.uk/ | |||
My research involves studying wiki usage, the reasons why individuals use wikis and the benefits/disadvantages of using wikis to create and manage knowledge. I'd be extremely grateful for any feedback you can provide as to your reasons for using/contributing to wikis. You can submit your feedback through my online survey so please feel free to complete this if you have the time. The survey is available at: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/stqa7937/survey/ | My research involves studying [[wiki]] usage, the reasons why [[User|individuals]] use wikis and the benefits/disadvantages of using wikis to create and manage knowledge. I'd be extremely grateful for any feedback you can provide as to your reasons for using/contributing to wikis. You can submit your feedback through my online survey so please feel free to complete this if you have the time. The survey is available at: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/stqa7937/survey/ | ||
My research is being carried out jointly with Melissa Terras at UCL http://www.ucl.ac.uk/slais/melissa-terras/ . Her email address is m.terras (at) ucl.ac.uk . | My research is being carried out jointly with Melissa Terras at UCL http://www.ucl.ac.uk/slais/melissa-terras/ . Her email address is m.terras (at) ucl.ac.uk . | ||
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==A wiki for connecting with people locally?== | ==A wiki for connecting with people locally?== | ||
I've often thought about a wiki that would help people to connect, by interest and/or location - e.g. search for geeks in Kuala Lumpur, yogis in Alexandria, knitters in Dallas or people in Sydney's inner west who are into green technology... [http://www. | I've often thought about a wiki that would help people to connect, by interest and/or location - e.g. search for geeks in Kuala Lumpur, yogis in Alexandria, knitters in Dallas or people in Sydney's inner west who are into green technology... [http://www.Wikia.com/wiki/User:Chriswaterguy/Salsa_in_Sydney Salsa in Sydney] or [http://syxpac.org/Sydney_Geek_Events Sydney Geek Events] or [http://TheHughPage.com/Geek_stuff_in_Australia Geek stuff in Australia]. A bit like [http://www.WiserEarth.org/ WiserEarth] but unlimited in scope rather than just green stuff. | ||
Is anyone attempting to do this? If not, it'd be good to start something - e.g. on [[Wikia Scratchpad]]. (I was hoping [http:// | Is anyone attempting to do this? If not, it'd be good to start something - e.g. on [[Wikia Scratchpad]]. (I was hoping [http://Local.Wikia.com Local.Wikia] was it, but it seems not.) | ||
It'd be best to incorporate social networking stuff, to help finding people in one's local area. This is not a wiki's strength, but I think [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia | It'd be best to incorporate social networking stuff, to help finding people in one's local area. This is not a wiki's strength, but I think [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]] is making progress. What we'd really like is to be able to bring over or tie in networking stuff from other wikis. I've read snippets about improvements to social networking sites to allow people to transfer personal information. Then there's Google's OpenSocial. But what's still missing is a way to do a single search for people, on a single site. Perhaps as things get more sophisticated, Google's OpenSocial APIs will enable this kind of thing, or there'll be some other way of marking our personal pages on different sites (a bit like how CC license marks work). | ||
Thoughts, anyone? Anyone else think this would be a massively useful thing? --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins a.k.a. Chriswaterguy]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 00:04, 14 February 2008 (EST) | Thoughts, anyone? Anyone else think this would be a massively useful thing? --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins a.k.a. Chriswaterguy]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 00:04, 14 February 2008 (EST) | ||
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::Have a look at [[WikiSocial]] --[[User:Matthias|Matthias]] 12:45, 14 February 2008 (EST) | ::Have a look at [[WikiSocial]] --[[User:Matthias|Matthias]] 12:45, 14 February 2008 (EST) | ||
::: A wiki to help people connect sounds like a good idea. | :::A wiki to help people connect sounds like a good idea. | ||
::: You might be interested in these wiki, which take a few steps towards that ideal: | :::You might be interested in these wiki, which take a few steps towards that ideal: | ||
::: The [[Coworking]] wiki has one page per city -- I'm in Tulsa, so I check out [http://wiki. | :::The [[Coworking]] wiki has one page per city -- I'm in Tulsa, so I check out [http://wiki.Coworking.info/CoworkingTulsa Coworking: CoworkingTulsa]. | ||
::: Each individual wiki in [[: | :::Each individual wiki in [[:category:Cities]] is intensely locally-focused. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 09:37, 18 September 2008 (EDT) | ||
:::: Recently some nice people from Code for America told me about [[LocalWiki]] -- is that what [[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins a.k.a. Chriswaterguy]] is looking for? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 19:16, 8 December 2014 (UTC) | ::::Recently some nice people from Code for America told me about [[LocalWiki]] -- is that what [[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins a.k.a. Chriswaterguy]] is looking for? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 19:16, 8 December 2014 (UTC) | ||
==Advice on choosing a wiki platform== | ==Advice on choosing a wiki platform== | ||
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:That way, if one is ever temporarily offline, people can immediately use the other one. | :That way, if one is ever temporarily offline, people can immediately use the other one. | ||
:In theory, | :In theory, https://www.WikiMatrix.org/ ([[WikiMatrix]]) should quickly steer you to the right choice. Have you tried their [https://www.WikiMatrix.org/wizard.php wiki choice wizard]? How can we improve it? | ||
:I ran through it myself with the criteria you give above, and it gives me [http:// | :I ran through it myself with the criteria you give above, and it gives me [http://CommunityWiki.org/TooManyWikiEngines TooManyWikiEngines]. | ||
:[tangent] Many newcomers to wiki think that WYSIWYG is absolutely necessary. However, [http:// | :[tangent] Many newcomers to wiki think that WYSIWYG is absolutely necessary. However, [http://CommunityWiki.org/WysiwygIsntLinking other people] feel that communicating and connecting ideas is the top priority, and current WYSIWYG wiki implementations make that unnecessarily difficult -- other, simpler ways to edit are better.[/tangent] --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 15:52, 18 September 2008 (EDT) | ||
:Anyone considering doing this may find the [ | :Anyone considering doing this may find the [[Wikibooks:Starting and Running a Wiki Website|Wikibook: Starting and running a wiki website]] helpful. | ||
:Perhaps also the [[Wiki: RunningYourOwnWikiFaq]]. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 23:15, 11 December 2008 (EST) | :Perhaps also the [[Wiki: RunningYourOwnWikiFaq]]. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 23:15, 11 December 2008 (EST) | ||
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==Vandalism== | ==Vandalism== | ||
Besides reverting, is there a procedure for dealing with minor [[vandal]]ism, such as this? [ | Besides reverting, is there a procedure for dealing with minor [[vandal]]ism, such as this? [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex&curid=2115&diff=57412&oldid=54947] --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 14:36, 26 September 2008 (EDT) | ||
==Spam reporting== | ==Spam reporting== | ||
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==Two wikis, one name== | ==Two wikis, one name== | ||
What do you do in the case where there is more than one Wiki with the same name? There are two wikis devoted to the Korean(?) FPS ''Blackshot'', both of which use the moniker [[Blackshot Wiki]]. Both seem to be in development, without much content as of yet. Both are linked from | What do you do in the case where there is more than one Wiki with the same name? There are two wikis devoted to the Korean(?) FPS ''Blackshot'', both of which use the moniker [[Blackshot Wiki]]. Both seem to be in development, without much content as of yet. Both are linked from WikiIndex article. Maybe I'll try to set up two infoboxes for the short term. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 18:22, 6 October 2008 (EDT) | ||
:Hmm. This is bound to happen more in the future, so a formal policy would be a good idea. | :Hmm. This is bound to happen more in the future, so a formal policy would be a good idea. | ||
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==Namespace Org/Re-org and general ideas== | ==Namespace Org/Re-org and general ideas== | ||
First of all, I'd like to say a general "hi" to the regulars here, I've been registered, but not really shown myself much. Looking around the wiki, I've decided that for the readers, unless they know their wikis exact name, it is rather difficult to find the wiki they're looking for. Also, if they simply wish to find a list of all wikis on the subject of "cooking", for example, it could be quite challenging. I may be new on the WikiIndex, but I do frequent various wikis across the net, such as [http://www. | First of all, I'd like to say a general "hi" to the regulars here, I've been registered, but not really shown myself much. Looking around the wiki, I've decided that for the readers, unless they know their wikis exact name, it is rather difficult to find the wiki they're looking for. Also, if they simply wish to find a list of all wikis on the subject of "cooking", for example, it could be quite challenging. I may be new on the WikiIndex, but I do frequent various wikis across the net, such as [http://www.UESP.net/wiki/Main_Page UESP], [http://ElderScrolls.Wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page ESWiki], [https://www.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikipedia], as well as owning a few private wikis, under the two aliases "Jacjohncoles" and "Game Lord". This means that I have a pretty thourough knowledge of how wikis work, both from the [[editor]]s point of view, and from the [[owner]]s point of view. To get back to why I'm posting this in the first place though. I'm not saying that the wiki is in a disorganized mess, but I am saying that it could, in my opinion at least, be done better. My suggestions to improve organization are the following: | ||
*Create seperate Namespaces for the three main subjects that WikiIndex covers. An idea for the Namespace names would be "Wiki", "Editor", and "Idea". This would give us a first step to splitting WikiIndex up into three seperate sections. | *Create seperate Namespaces for the three main subjects that WikiIndex covers. An idea for the Namespace names would be "Wiki", "Editor", and "Idea". This would give us a first step to splitting WikiIndex up into three seperate sections. | ||
*Once we have this, we can proceed further. Each Namespace could have a main page, such as "Wiki:Contents", "Editor:Contents", and "Idea:Contents". In these content pages, we could start with splitting up individual wikis up into sections. Seperate headers for different sortations, such as "Wikis by size", "Wikis by subject" and so on. | *Once we have this, we can proceed further. Each Namespace could have a main page, such as "Wiki:Contents", "Editor:Contents", and "Idea:Contents". In these content pages, we could start with splitting up individual wikis up into sections. Seperate headers for different sortations, such as "Wikis by size", "Wikis by subject" and so on. | ||
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Further organizational ideas doubtlessly exist, but what I've layed out here should, I think, provide a first basis for the WikiIndex.- [[User:Jacjohncoles|Jacjohncoles]]<sup>[[User talk:Jacjohncoles|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Jacjohncoles|Contribs]]</sup> 16:53, 22 October 2008 (EDT) | Further organizational ideas doubtlessly exist, but what I've layed out here should, I think, provide a first basis for the WikiIndex.- [[User:Jacjohncoles|Jacjohncoles]]<sup>[[User talk:Jacjohncoles|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Jacjohncoles|Contribs]]</sup> 16:53, 22 October 2008 (EDT) | ||
:Hmm. I don't know if you actually need to add extra namespace to do this. I'd say that improvement on the main page, could point to some 'how to use WikiIndex' pages that show people exactly how to find wikis via categories or the search facility. Even if that involved adding a namespace, I don't see why you need to do more than have a single WikiIndex namespace with pages called things like 'WikiIndex:How to use WikiIndex', 'WikiIndex:How to use our search box' and so on. Although, having said that, I would have thought that most of the stuff I've mentioned should go into normal help pages. | :Hmm. I don't know if you actually need to add extra [[WikiIndex:Namespace conventions|namespace]] to do this. I'd say that improvement on the main page, could point to some 'how to use WikiIndex' pages that show people exactly how to find wikis via categories or the search facility. Even if that involved adding a namespace, I don't see why you need to do more than have a single WikiIndex namespace with pages called things like 'WikiIndex:How to use WikiIndex', 'WikiIndex:How to use our search box' and so on. Although, having said that, I would have thought that most of the stuff I've mentioned should go into normal help pages. | ||
:What was the reason for your proposed 'Editors' namespace? Was that something that would be used to help find people with WikiIndex user accounts? If so, then I think that categorising users would help. But most users seem to have a very chaotic attitude to their user page, so I can't see how you could do that without getting people to put some sort of template on their page. I think that ''might'' lead to people visiting other people's user pages and telling them 'you have done your user page wrong'. I think that you would need to tread lightly in any attmpt to organise users into groups. Ironically, I got specifically asked to create my user name in the main namespace (instead of the user namespace), so it looks like someone has already decided to do the opposite thing to your suggestion. You might want to find out who decided on that policy and talk to them. It is possible that your 'Editors' namespace would be better done if people were moved back to the 'User' namespace that other wiki editors would expect to see them under. (The Search page is already setup to look for pages within the User namespace, but adding an 'Editors' namespace would create a need to reprogram the Search page.) | :What was the reason for your proposed 'Editors' namespace? Was that something that would be used to help find people with WikiIndex user accounts? If so, then I think that categorising users would help. But most users seem to have a very chaotic attitude to their user page, so I can't see how you could do that without getting people to put some sort of template on their page. I think that ''might'' lead to people visiting other people's user pages and telling them 'you have done your user page wrong'. I think that you would need to tread lightly in any attmpt to organise users into groups. Ironically, I got specifically asked to create my user name in the main namespace (instead of the user namespace), so it looks like someone has already decided to do the opposite thing to your suggestion. You might want to find out who decided on that policy and talk to them. It is possible that your 'Editors' namespace would be better done if people were moved back to the 'User' namespace that other wiki editors would expect to see them under. (The Search page is already setup to look for pages within the User namespace, but adding an 'Editors' namespace would create a need to reprogram the Search page.) | ||
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:In fact I wonder if anything that is statistical could be something that should be put into some sort of template. If lots of wikis have advertising, then should [[Template:Wiki]] be updated to have a line that lets people know if a given wiki has adverts on it? Or would it be better to have additional templates (like you already do with [[Template:Size]]? | :In fact I wonder if anything that is statistical could be something that should be put into some sort of template. If lots of wikis have advertising, then should [[Template:Wiki]] be updated to have a line that lets people know if a given wiki has adverts on it? Or would it be better to have additional templates (like you already do with [[Template:Size]]? | ||
:I also wonder if Template:Wiki should have sub-templates, that deal with specific types of wikis that have special requirements. For example, a number of wikis have been set up to deal with fictional worlds. From the point of view of fictional worlds 'canon' is a very important thing. Some people may be looking for an encyclopedia of canon and would not 'value' a wiki that contains stuff that is not from the canon of the original source. On the other hand, other people are interested in expanding that fictional world with fan-fiction and would not want to work on a wiki that did not allow them to add fanon material. | :I also wonder if Template:Wiki should have sub-templates, that deal with specific types of wikis that have special requirements. For example, a number of wikis have been set up to deal with fictional worlds. From the point of view of fictional worlds '[[:Category:Canon|canon]]' is a very important thing. Some people may be looking for an encyclopedia of canon and would not 'value' a wiki that contains stuff that is not from the canon of the original source. On the other hand, other people are interested in expanding that fictional world with [[:Category:Fan fiction|fan-fiction]] and would not want to work on a wiki that did not allow them to add [[:Category:Fanon|fanon]] material. | ||
:I think that specific bits of information, like the examples I've given, can be very helpful to someone who wants to decide if they should spend time reading or writing on an individual wiki, but if I just read that User X thinks that 'Wiki Y is brilliant or rubbish at doing Z', then that really isn't helpful to me. I think that things like the wikiFactor (which is an optional feature on Template:Size) are so much more useful than longhand opinions, because I can very rapidly compare two wikis and decide which one I prefer. Feautures like [[wikiFactor]], put the reader in the driving seat and inform rather than preach. More importantly, things like wikiFactor (or the absence or lack of adverts) are things that can easily be translated from English into a ton of other languages - long winded opinions are going to cause translation delays. [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 08:50, 9 May 2009 (EDT) | :I think that specific bits of information, like the examples I've given, can be very helpful to someone who wants to decide if they should spend time reading or writing on an individual wiki, but if I just read that User X thinks that 'Wiki Y is brilliant or rubbish at doing Z', then that really isn't helpful to me. I think that things like the [[wikiFactor]] (which is an optional feature on Template:Size) are so much more useful than longhand opinions, because I can very rapidly compare two wikis and decide which one I prefer. Feautures like [[wikiFactor]], put the reader in the driving seat and inform rather than preach. More importantly, things like wikiFactor (or the absence or lack of adverts) are things that can easily be translated from English into a ton of other languages - long winded opinions are going to cause translation delays. [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 08:50, 9 May 2009 (EDT) | ||
::I agree that any review info should be objective rather than subjective, but the question is about notability and fairness of certain "facts". For example, I (repeatedly) posted a "fact" in the [[RationalWiki]] article, that there was a debate about an issue on the talk page. Is it a notable fact? Is it fair to host or link to criticism of one without doing this for any competing wikis or wiki farm? When persistent editors make sure that their favored articles are free of certain "criticisms", is it fair to allow criticism in another article just because there is no one so driven to "protect" it? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 15:58, 23 June 2010 (EDT) | ::I agree that any review info should be objective rather than subjective, but the question is about notability and fairness of certain "facts". For example, I (repeatedly) posted a "fact" in the [[RationalWiki]] article, that there was a debate about an issue on the [[talk page]]. Is it a notable fact? Is it fair to host or link to criticism of one without doing this for any competing wikis or wiki farm? When persistent editors make sure that their favored articles are free of certain "criticisms", is it fair to allow criticism in another article just because there is no one so driven to "protect" it? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 15:58, 23 June 2010 (EDT) | ||
:::''"By basic information, I mean facts which can be verified empirically (the link, the underlying wiki engine, the statement of purpose, # of pages, etc.). I differentiate this from people's subjective experiences with the wiki. [...] --MarvelZuvembie 20:34, 16 October 2009 (EDT)" Quote is from ''[[WikiIndex talk:Policies and Guidelines#Proposal: Articles should preferably stick to facts|here]] and that is a more recent conversation. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:30, 23 June 2010 (EDT) | :::''"By basic information, I mean facts which can be verified empirically (the link, the underlying wiki engine, the statement of purpose, # of pages, etc.). I differentiate this from people's subjective experiences with the wiki. [...] --MarvelZuvembie 20:34, 16 October 2009 (EDT)" Quote is from ''[[WikiIndex talk:Policies and Guidelines#Proposal: Articles should preferably stick to facts|here]] and that is a more recent conversation. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:30, 23 June 2010 (EDT) | ||
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::Yes, I have. I will try to do something. [[User:Emijrp|Emijrp]] 02:00, 3 November 2010 (PDT) | ::Yes, I have. I will try to do something. [[User:Emijrp|Emijrp]] 02:00, 3 November 2010 (PDT) | ||
:::I [ | :::I [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=CreationWiki&curid=15873&diff=89839&oldid=85515 did it]. Please, give bot flag to [[User:Emijrpbot]]. [[User:Emijrp|emijrp]] 11:58, 15 December 2011 (PST) | ||
==Non-English characters in PAGENAME== | ==Non-English characters in PAGENAME== | ||
There are several wikis in [[:Category:Wiki Korean]] for which the PAGENAME is written in Korean characters which cannot be reproduced on my computer. I don't know Unicode from a unicorn, but my computer can display a surprising variety of characters from different languages (Chinese, Japanese, Hindi, Thai, Hebrew, Arabic, etc.), but it has trouble with Korean and Burmese. I'm wondering if these pages should be moved to a new PAGENAME. I'm not trying to be English-centric (or Roman-alphabet-centric), notwithstanding that this site is already pretty much that way. But standing operating procedure seems to be to use the English name ([[wp:exonym|an exonym]]) in the namespace and then add redirects to that page for the name in the native language ([[wp:endonym|endonym]]). Alternatively, we could leave these articles as they are but add redirects using the Roman alphabet (assuming we can find a translation). I think I'm going to use that plan for now. I'm just wondering what would be of most benefit for our visitors. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 19:43, 9 May 2009 (EDT) | There are several wikis in [[:Category:Wiki Korean]] for which the PAGENAME is written in Korean characters which cannot be reproduced on my computer. I don't know Unicode from a unicorn, but my computer can display a surprising variety of characters from different languages (Chinese, Japanese, Hindi, Thai, Hebrew, Arabic, etc.), but it has trouble with Korean and Burmese. I'm wondering if these pages should be moved to a new PAGENAME. I'm not trying to be English-centric (or Roman-alphabet-centric), notwithstanding that this site is already pretty much that way. But standing operating procedure seems to be to use the English name ([[wp:exonym|an exonym]]) in the namespace and then add redirects to that page for the name in the native language ([[wp:endonym|endonym]]). Alternatively, we could leave these articles as they are but add redirects using the Roman alphabet (assuming we can find a translation). I think I'm going to use that plan for now. I'm just wondering what would be of most benefit for our visitors. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 19:43, 9 May 2009 (EDT) | ||
:See: [[WikiIndex:Naming conventions]]. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 18:26, 6 October 2018 (UTC) | |||
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==Websites Wiki== | ==Websites Wiki== | ||
Are you aware of http:// | Are you aware of http://Websites.Wikia.com/wiki/Websites_Wiki, Wikia's probable answer to the ailing ODP and the defunct Zeal.com? It follows a successful-looking German version. | ||
It may start competing with WikiIndex soon. There are stirrings. You folks may want to see if you can come to some arrangement, perhaps involving reciprocal links on the basis that Wikia doesn't list any more wikis. [[User:Robin Patterson|Robin Patterson]] 07:52, 31 January 2010 (EST) | It may start competing with WikiIndex soon. There are stirrings. You folks may want to see if you can come to some arrangement, perhaps involving reciprocal links on the basis that Wikia doesn't list any more wikis. [[User:Robin Patterson|Robin Patterson]] 07:52, 31 January 2010 (EST) | ||
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==I'm looking for a speakeasy kinda wiki== | ==I'm looking for a speakeasy kinda wiki== | ||
What wikis are there, their lists, or categories where the people are cool, but also tolerant. Where I can do OR and POV's, upload regardless of some ''stoopid'' copyright guidelines, post articles regardless of notability, and upload <s>pornographic images</s> images of sexually liberated women (even stuff that might be hardcore -- but not too much like the ones at the video shops). I doubt [[Anarchopedia]] and [[Wikinfo]] would allow such, as worthy as they are. Would I be incorrect to assume that it would likely have, say, less than 2,000 pages and 10 edits a day? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. [[ | What wikis are there, their lists, or categories where the people are cool, but also tolerant. Where I can do OR and POV's, upload regardless of some ''stoopid'' copyright guidelines, post articles regardless of notability, and upload <s>pornographic images</s> images of sexually liberated women (even stuff that might be hardcore -- but not too much like the ones at the video shops). I doubt [[Anarchopedia]] and [[Wikinfo]] would allow such, as worthy as they are. Would I be incorrect to assume that it would likely have, say, less than 2,000 pages and 10 edits a day? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/205.189.194.251|205.189.194.251]] 19:10, 31 March 2010 (EDT) | ||
==Dump or backup== | ==Dump or backup== | ||
Hi all. Before starting to participate in this wiki, I would like to know if there are public dumps or backups. I mean, I like to have copies of the free licensed projects where I collaborate. I don't like when a fantastic projects disappear in a data disaster. [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] contains a script for generating dumps. You can read more about this [[mw:Manual:Backing up a wiki#XML dump|here]]. Regards. [[User:Emijrp|Emijrp]] 02:30, 3 November 2010 (PDT) | Hi all. Before starting to participate in this wiki, I would like to know if there are public dumps or backups. I mean, I like to have copies of the free licensed projects where I collaborate. I don't like when a fantastic projects disappear in a data disaster. [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] contains a script for generating dumps. You can read more about this [[mw:Manual:Backing up a wiki#XML dump|here]]. Regards. [[User:Emijrp|Emijrp]] 02:30, 3 November 2010 (PDT) | ||
:I'd check with [[Mark Dilley]]. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:49, 4 November 2010 (PDT) | :I'd check with [[Mark Dilley]]. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:49, 4 November 2010 (PDT) | ||
::Any updates on this? [[User:Emijrp|emijrp]] 02:31, 5 April 2011 (PDT) | ::Any updates on this? [[User:Emijrp|emijrp]] 02:31, 5 April 2011 (PDT) | ||
I have made a backup of WikiIndex. It is [ | I have made a backup of WikiIndex. It is [https://Code.Google.com/p/wikiteam/downloads/list?can=2&q=wikiindex here] with [https://Code.Google.com/p/wikiteam/downloads/list some other wikis]. I used a software I developed which extract the data from [[Special:Export]]. Enjoy. [[User:Emijrp|emijrp]] 14:39, 10 April 2011 (PDT) | ||
==Missing wikis== | ==Missing wikis== | ||
Hi all. What do you think about [[wiki]]s which disappear? I think that every year a lot of wikis are [[:Category:Dead|deleted]] or get [[:Category:Cannot connect|offline]]. I saw a few years ago how most of the wikis available in the [[ScribbleWiki]] hosting were lost forever. How can we avoid this? A lot of wikis are free licensed, and nobody cares about getting a copy or backup. That is incredible! [[User:Emijrp|Emijrp]] 09:57, 3 November 2010 (PDT) | Hi all. What do you think about [[wiki]]s which disappear? I think that every year a lot of wikis are [[:Category:Dead|deleted]] or get [[:Category:Cannot connect|offline]]. I saw a few years ago how most of the wikis available in the [[ScribbleWiki]] hosting were lost forever. How can we avoid this? A lot of wikis are free licensed, and nobody cares about getting a copy or backup. That is incredible! [[User:Emijrp|Emijrp]] 09:57, 3 November 2010 (PDT) | ||
:That's an interesting question. What should the lifecycle of a wiki be? Were they meant to last forever? I didn't realize just how many wikis there are until I discovered [[WikiIndex]]. Having now shallowly observed several hundred wikis, in my opinion, not all of them deserve to live forever. And clearly, some were designed with a limited-time purpose, not to be relevant a decade later. But I take your point, a lot of good information and hard work can be lost if site owners or hosts are careless. The best advice I can offer to avoid this is for people to plan their wikis carefully. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:48, 4 November 2010 (PDT) | :That's an interesting question. What should the lifecycle of a wiki be? Were they meant to last forever? I didn't realize just how many wikis there are until I discovered [[WikiIndex]]. Having now shallowly observed several hundred wikis, in my opinion, not all of them deserve to live forever. And clearly, some were designed with a limited-time purpose, not to be relevant a decade later. But I take your point, a lot of good information and hard work can be lost if site owners or hosts are careless. The best advice I can offer to avoid this is for people to plan their wikis carefully. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:48, 4 November 2010 (PDT) | ||
::As a specific example, what happened to http://de.WikiIndex.org/ ? It is mentioned at [[WikiIndex:FrequentlyAskedQuestions]], but today it seems to be offline? Did anyone grab a backup before it was too late? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 15:20, 1 February 2011 (PST) | |||
:: As a specific example, what happened to http://de. | |||
==Where to highlight a Q&A site about wikis?== | ==Where to highlight a Q&A site about wikis?== | ||
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As an initial activity, utilizing the model set by [[:Category:Wikimedia Foundation|Wikimedia]] staff [[Internet Relay Chat]] (IRC) office hours, MediaWiki.org's WikiProject Extensions is presenting our first MediaWiki Workshops for developers (volunteer and staff). Preparing extensions for MediaWiki 1.19 will be held on 13 January 2012 at 19:00 UTC in IRC (#wikimedia-dev). | As an initial activity, utilizing the model set by [[:Category:Wikimedia Foundation|Wikimedia]] staff [[Internet Relay Chat]] (IRC) office hours, MediaWiki.org's WikiProject Extensions is presenting our first MediaWiki Workshops for developers (volunteer and staff). Preparing extensions for MediaWiki 1.19 will be held on 13 January 2012 at 19:00 UTC in IRC (#wikimedia-dev). | ||
This IRC workshop will be an opportunity to find out about changes in MediaWiki 1.19 that may require revisions to extensions or skins. Also an opportunity to ask MediaWiki developers questions regarding extension development. | This IRC workshop will be an opportunity to find out about changes in MediaWiki 1.19 that may require revisions to extensions or [[:Category:Skins|skins]]. Also an opportunity to ask [[:Category:MediaWiki developer|MediaWiki developers]] questions regarding extension development. | ||
Everyone is invited to attend. Developers interested in serving as "extensions" or "MediaWiki 1.19" experts are encouraged to signup as participants at: [[mw:Project:WikiProject Extensions/MediaWiki Workshops#MediaWiki 1.19 Experts]] | Everyone is invited to attend. Developers interested in serving as "extensions" or "MediaWiki 1.19" experts are encouraged to signup as participants at: [[mw:Project:WikiProject Extensions/MediaWiki Workshops#MediaWiki 1.19 Experts]] | ||
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==Biased editing here== | ==Biased editing here== | ||
In sections of the the [[:Category:Wikia]] "Skins" through "Criticism" there are among other things clear bias in many places. "Until recently, people who understood how to use preferences could choose which skin they used, but even this choice will now stop." ... Will now stop? Proof? Isn't this biased comment past tense too? People came here during the change of skins and used this page to vent. Most people didn't leave Wikia as new wikis are started everyday there. It is a silly opinionated section made to get back at wikia and to promote other wiki services. [[User:Devilmanozzy|Devilmanozzy]] ([[User talk:Devilmanozzy|talk]]) 23:10, 18 August 2012 (PDT) | In sections of the the [[:Category:Wikia]] "Skins" through "Criticism" there are among other things clear bias in many places. "Until recently, people who understood how to use preferences could choose which skin they used, but even this choice will now stop." ... Will now stop? Proof? Isn't this biased comment past tense too? People came here during the change of [[:Category:Skins|skins]] and used this page to vent. Most people didn't leave Wikia as new wikis are started everyday there. It is a silly opinionated section made to get back at wikia and to promote other wiki services. [[User:Devilmanozzy|Devilmanozzy]] ([[User talk:Devilmanozzy|talk]]) 23:10, 18 August 2012 (PDT) | ||
:I dont' see anything wrong with anything there. Monaco was the default, it was more customizable than monobook, monobook cannot be the default skin, it was frustrating for some, statistics are wikias, monaco was liked as people complained about losing it, there was a lot of opposition to oasis and many sites and | :I dont' see anything wrong with anything there. [[:Category:Monaco|Monaco]] was the default, it was more customizable than [[:Category:Monobook|monobook]], monobook cannot be the default skin, it was frustrating for some, statistics are wikias, monaco was liked as people complained about losing it, there was a lot of opposition to [[:Category:Oasis|oasis]] and many sites and [[user]]s did [[:Category:Ex-Wikia|leave]]. Nothing there is a lie or biased in any way, if its true and complete it cannot be biased - Monaco - true, customizable - true, no default - true, frustrating - true, stats - true, complaints - true, opposition - true, leaving - true. And the reason most people didn't leave wikia is because they were mostly oblivious to how much wikia controlled their work and used them for money, that is also true as evident by wikias use of ads and the fact that they have banned people who spoke against them. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] ([[User talk:Escyos|talk]]) 23:19, 18 August 2012 (PDT) | ||
::Currently I'm a wikia user (since 2008) and you seem by your profile to be anti-wikia. Perhaps a third party is in order. [[User:Devilmanozzy|Devilmanozzy]] ([[User talk:Devilmanozzy|talk]]) 23:26, 18 August 2012 (PDT) | ::Currently I'm a wikia user (since 2008) and you seem by your profile to be anti-wikia. Perhaps a third party is in order. [[User:Devilmanozzy|Devilmanozzy]] ([[User talk:Devilmanozzy|talk]]) 23:26, 18 August 2012 (PDT) | ||
:::I am anti-wikia, they have proven themselves to be untrustworthy and unwilling to listen to those people who made them as big as they are - as evident by the changes you removed and then put back, I am not the only one. Anything can be claimed as bias by either side, its pointless arguing over these things. I'll just go back to editing the many much better wikis that I operate independently and on Wikkii and you can go back to editing the childish excuses for wikis on wikia.....there see that right there is bias from your opinion but not from mine. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] ([[User talk:Escyos|talk]]) | :::I am anti-wikia, they have proven themselves to be untrustworthy and unwilling to listen to those people who made them as big as they are - as evident by the changes you removed and then put back, I am not the only one. Anything can be claimed as bias by either side, its pointless arguing over these things. I'll just go back to editing the many much better wikis that I operate independently and on [[:Category:Wikkii|Wikkii]] and you can go back to editing the childish excuses for wikis on wikia.....there see that right there is bias from your opinion but not from mine. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] ([[User talk:Escyos|talk]]) | ||
::::Wikia continues to have such a large market share because no worthy competitor has arisen to claim that market niche. Wikia's management has had the luxury of slacking off and not adhering to high standards because people have nowhere else to go, unless they want to deal with the learning curve and other costs involved in creating and maintaining one's own MediaWiki installation. A lot of people who want to create collaborative sites just aren't very technically-inclined. | ::::Wikia continues to have such a large market share because no worthy competitor has arisen to claim that market niche. Wikia's management has had the luxury of slacking off and not adhering to high standards because people have nowhere else to go, unless they want to deal with the learning curve and other costs involved in creating and maintaining one's own MediaWiki installation. A lot of people who want to create collaborative sites just aren't very technically-inclined. | ||
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Both of you raise interesting comments and observations, and both, to a certain extent are accurate and valid. Personally, I have no axe to grind against [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]] or indeed any other host or [[wiki farm]], but I do think that it is perfectly acceptable to detail failings and criticisms against any host - providing that it is submitted here as a form of commentary, and more importantly, that it is '''fair, reasonable and accurate'''. However, IMOVHO, I ''do'' think that Wikia have questions to answer - around many aspects of its operation, including advertising, and malicious code it hides. And whilst it is very true that new wikis are frequently being created on Wikia, the amount of wikis which have been [[:Category:Dormant|abandoned]] on Wikia is startling! | Both of you raise interesting comments and observations, and both, to a certain extent are accurate and valid. Personally, I have no axe to grind against [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]] or indeed any other host or [[wiki farm]], but I do think that it is perfectly acceptable to detail failings and criticisms against any host - providing that it is submitted here as a form of commentary, and more importantly, that it is '''fair, reasonable and accurate'''. However, IMOVHO, I ''do'' think that Wikia have questions to answer - around many aspects of its operation, including advertising, and malicious code it hides. And whilst it is very true that new wikis are frequently being created on Wikia, the amount of wikis which have been [[:Category:Dormant|abandoned]] on Wikia is startling! | ||
To the specifics of this section - what may be one persons 'enthusiastic' effort to express the 'warts and all' truth - may be seen by another as bias, and vice-versa. Providing that commentary on WikiIndex is fair and accurate, it should stay. We won't tollerate personal attacks, nor blatant profanities or other inflamatory language. Interestingly, checking its [ | To the specifics of this section - what may be one persons 'enthusiastic' effort to express the 'warts and all' truth - may be seen by another as bias, and vice-versa. Providing that commentary on WikiIndex is fair and accurate, it should stay. We won't tollerate personal attacks, nor blatant profanities or other inflamatory language. Interestingly, checking its [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Category:Wikia&action=history history] , I see no edits from the one who has been accused of bias, namely {{U|Escyos}}, and based on the version as of [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Category:Wikia&oldid=141509 this timestamp] , I find no reason to call the article biased. I do concede that [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Category:Wikia&oldid=126153 this earlier edit] , which was current for when [[User:Devilmanozzy|Devilmanozzy]] raised his concerns, ''may'' not have been ideal - with the perception of favouring the criticism section over other content. | ||
In light of all what is said above, please respect each others' rights to free speach. Happy editing to all, best regards, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 09:52, 5 October 2012 (PDT) | In light of all what is said above, please respect each others' rights to free speach. Happy editing to all, best regards, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 09:52, 5 October 2012 (PDT) | ||
==How wide is our coverage, compared to what is out there in the wikisphere?== | ==How wide is our coverage, compared to what is out there in the wikisphere?== | ||
I notice that according to [[wikipedia:Wikia]], "Wikia hosts several hundred thousand wikis". Of course, WikiIndex only lists a small fraction of those. I wonder how many of those several hundred thousand were test wikis and the like, and were abandoned almost immediately? My guess is a lot. | I notice that according to [[wikipedia:Wikia]], "Wikia hosts several hundred thousand wikis". Of course, WikiIndex only lists a small fraction of those. I wonder how many of those several hundred thousand were test wikis and the like, and were [[:Category:GoalAbandoned|abandoned]] almost immediately? My guess is a lot. | ||
Anyway, I suppose we can operate under the assumption that any wiki that nobody bothered to list at WikiIndex probably isn't all that important. The significance is that whatever wikis aren't listed at WikiIndex aren't going to end up in the [[Proposal:Interwiki list|interwiki list]], unless I do a separate run to grab that data off of [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]] and other wiki farms. Whether that would be desirable given the potentially high rate of useless Wikia wikis is another story. It might hurt the [[mw: | Anyway, I suppose we can operate under the assumption that any wiki that nobody bothered to list at WikiIndex probably isn't all that important. The significance is that whatever wikis aren't listed at WikiIndex aren't going to end up in the [[Proposal:Interwiki list|interwiki list]], unless I do a separate run to grab that data off of [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]] and other wiki farms. Whether that would be desirable given the potentially high rate of useless Wikia wikis is another story. It might hurt the [[mw:Canonical interwiki prefixes|interwiki map]] project to clog up the list with a bunch of items pertaining to low-quality wikis. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 00:43, 22 November 2012 (PST) | ||
==Article length== | ==Article length== | ||
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I notice that we don't actually have a lot of pages in [[:Category:WikiConcept]] and [[:Category:WikiIdea]]. To what extent is it actually encouraged to add these kinds of pages? There's a lot that one could write about wiki-philosophy, wiki norms, etc. However, I don't want to do it if it'll be frowned upon. A [[meatball wiki]] is basically one that "describes the general tendencies observed on wikis and other on-line communities; for example the life cycles of wikis, and people's behavior on them." To what extent are you cool with hosting that kind of content? [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 07:31, 8 March 2014 (UTC) | I notice that we don't actually have a lot of pages in [[:Category:WikiConcept]] and [[:Category:WikiIdea]]. To what extent is it actually encouraged to add these kinds of pages? There's a lot that one could write about wiki-philosophy, wiki norms, etc. However, I don't want to do it if it'll be frowned upon. A [[meatball wiki]] is basically one that "describes the general tendencies observed on wikis and other on-line communities; for example the life cycles of wikis, and people's behavior on them." To what extent are you cool with hosting that kind of content? [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 07:31, 8 March 2014 (UTC) | ||
:If clear standards are developed, I could assist in applying them. The problem with hosting deeper content, opinion, judgments, etc., is that it can rapidly spin out into massive debate. It can be done, but it takes protective structure. As an example of how we were able, on [[:Category:Wikiversity|Wikiversity]], to handle what could have become a massive content dispute, see [ | :If clear standards are developed, I could assist in applying them. The problem with hosting deeper content, opinion, judgments, etc., is that it can rapidly spin out into massive debate. It can be done, but it takes protective structure. As an example of how we were able, on [[:Category:Wikiversity|Wikiversity]], to handle what could have become a massive content dispute, see [https://En.Wikiversity.org/wiki/Landmark_Education]. The overall presentation is neutral, and anything controversial or possibly controversial is on attributed subpages, with explicit attribution, not merely attribution through history. It can help, somewhat, if editors engaging in this are not anonymous. Anonymity fuels and enables seriously antisocial behavior. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 14:11, 8 March 2014 (UTC) | ||
::Anonymity also enables free speech (by reducing the potential for real-world consequences) and discourages ad hominem attacks (by making it harder to link an on-wiki identity to a user's off-wiki affiliations, interests, etc. and use that information to accuse him of conflicts of interests with regard to his on-wiki contributions). It also can enable users to get a fresh start, which is sometimes good and sometimes bad. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 20:57, 6 May 2014 (UTC) | ::[[Anonymity]] also enables free speech (by reducing the potential for real-world consequences) and discourages ad hominem attacks (by making it harder to link an on-wiki identity to a user's off-wiki affiliations, interests, etc. and use that information to accuse him of conflicts of interests with regard to his on-wiki contributions). It also can enable users to get a fresh start, which is sometimes good and sometimes bad. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 20:57, 6 May 2014 (UTC) | ||
==Citations== | ==Citations== | ||
Are | Are [[citation]]s of sources for statements made in articles encouraged? E.g., if you say "xWiki says y" is it good to give the URL, so that people can verify your claim? I've been citing sources inline like this.[http://example.com] Of course, we don't have [[mw:Extension:Cite]], so there's no pretty way of doing it, currently. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 13:08, 8 March 2014 (UTC) | ||
:We have no ''requirement'' for citations, but if anyone feels the need to include them, especially if it supports a contentious statement, then by all means just add it as a basic inline url. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 19:11, 6 May 2014 (UTC) | :We have no ''requirement'' for citations, but if anyone feels the need to include them, especially if it supports a contentious statement, then by all means just add it as a basic inline url. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 19:11, 6 May 2014 (UTC) | ||
==Request account - real name== | ==Request account - real name== | ||
In [[Special:RequestAccount]], I noticed that I had to provide my real name. Just wanted to know - is my real name revealed to the public, or is it only visible to | In [[Special:RequestAccount]], I noticed that I had to provide my real name. Just wanted to know - is my real name revealed to the public, or is it only visible to [[sysop]]s? After all, what goes on a MediaWiki website stays on a MediaWiki website. [[Special:Contributions/99.247.115.190|99.247.115.190]] 21:38, 1 September 2014 (UTC) | ||
I suggest to clarify this here: [[WikiIndex:Terms of Service]] | I suggest to clarify this here: [[WikiIndex:Terms of Service]] | ||
# Is the filling of the field RealName optional? | #Is the filling of the field RealName optional? | ||
# Who will get to see it, when filled? | #Who will get to see it, when filled? | ||
[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 23:25, 1 September 2014 (UTC) | [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 23:25, 1 September 2014 (UTC) | ||
: I have no idea, the request account was an anti-spam measure. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | : I have no idea, the request account was an anti-spam measure. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
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