User talk:Proxima Centauri: Difference between revisions

Hello. I'm BobaCartman. You are a User of WikiIndex and I want with the [http://kuwikis.npage.eu/ KUW] make a German Version. Did you know, that we allowed to? Gruß, [http://de.wikia.com/wiki/Benutzer:BobaCartman BobaCartman] 12:51, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

:[http://liberapedia.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Proxima_Centauri#Wikiindex I've replied here]. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 00:56, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

 

 

Hello and [[welcome]] to [[WikiIndex]]!  Great to have you here!  Best, [[MarkDilley]]

 

I'm not sure.  People may want to know about them.  It seems they're more like ordinary web sites where ordinary folk can't edit. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 10:25, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

:But this site is about WIKIS, not ordinary web sites where ordinary folk can't edit! <b>Elassint</b>, 07 5 2008 ^{[[User talk:Elassint|talk]]}

Just wanted to know I [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=CommunityServerWiki&diff=55331&oldid=55322 edited] this.  And what does it mean CyberArmy? [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=BayleShanks&curid=3126&diff=55327&oldid=47129&rcid=59645] [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Booyaa_Wiki&curid=8496&diff=55329&oldid=34888&rcid=59647] - Best, [[MarkDilley]]

:I don't know the Wiki.  I'm editing all the Wikis classed as read only because they are discussing deleting them.  If you know the wiki and know that it's editable please remove it from the read only category. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 05:07, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

 

:Are you talking about Deborah?  Because I don't think any accommodation is possible, barring a "he said/she said" section.  CPers do not live in the same reality as everyone else, and they KNOW we're WRONG. --[[User:Gulik|Gulik]] 16:59, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Good idea for a category. There are a good proportion of the [[wiki]]s in ''[[:Category: Science]]'' that could be shifted to ''[[:Category:Pseudoscience]]''. --[[User:Spud Gun | <b><FONT COLOR="#8B3A3A">Carl McBride</FONT></b>]] ([[User talk:Spud Gun|talk]]) 07:01, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

::I've bought a second hand back up computer. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 06:47, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

* Hello Proxima, thanks for the note, nice to meet you, I hope I can be helpful, but my efforts are usually episodic at best. --[[User:Jeffmcneill|jeffmcneill]] 11:38, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

 

You have just been made an [[Sysop|admin]] on this wiki <b>Elassint</b>, 11 3 2008 ^{[[User talk:Elassint|talk]]}

:Thanks! I didn't expect that. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 14:54, 5 November 2008 (EST)

I want to talk about what I see as beneficial about [[wiki]]s, in terms of a constructive point of view.  First, I want to be part of a community that has no [[Edit War]].  While we work in a wiki, editing is given - so if there is something said, we can change it, but if it is said again, we must work to figure out why the other person is saying it.  I do not think that this is a pollyanna view - because I do believe that giving a good faith effort has a limit.  I will go to the pages to see if I can figure out what is going on.  Thank you for your efforts here.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]

Perhaps your complaints on [[:Category:Wikia]] would be more appropriate on the [[ComplaintWiki]] article, since the ComplaintWiki is an anti-Wikia wiki. In addition, I'm not sure if Wikia is going to view the article on themselves, so maybe you would be better off complaining to Wikia on a Wikia Forum if you want change, although they may have already seen your concerns on [[Uncyclopedia]]. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 09:18, 27 January 2009 (EST)

Hello Proxima Centauri, I have a problem. WikiIndex doesn't recognise my [[password]]. I always use the same one on wikis, so i'm sure i didn't type it wrong. My [[username]] is [[User:D. G. Neree|D. G.Neree]]. is there a way to solve this? [[User:80.101.117.19|80.101.117.19]] 08:18, 15 February 2009 (EST)

Judging from '''[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:HelpJazz&diff=115773&oldid=115381 this edit]''', I say that HelpJazz and [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] are two separate individuals (at least on [[RationalWiki]]). --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 15:42, 16 February 2009 (EST)

:See '''[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Jazzman831 this]''', [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] has been banned from [[Conservapedia]] since 2007. Really, I doubt that HelpJazz and Jazzman are the same person. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 16:01, 16 February 2009 (EST)

I removed your name from [[:Category:Wikia]] since everyone (including myself) appear to have this ability. Wikia is probably preparing for MediaWiki 14.0. According to [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-announce/2009-February/000084.html this], the new software is now available in its stable form. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 15:01, 23 February 2009 (EST)

Hello, just wanted to let you know that people in the main namespace is the practice here - see my note [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Felix_Ple%C5%9Foianu&diff=63485&oldid=63474 here]  - let me know your thoughts on this.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]

Hi, I think that you have to say something about [[w:Forum:Changes to the Create Wiki process]] on [[:Category:Wikia]]. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 22:23, 25 March 2009 (EDT)

: 8 June 2009

: * (Block log); 11:16 . . Proxima Centauri (Talk | contribs | block) (blocked "User:" with an expiry time of 6 months: Spamming links to external sites)

What about [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Category_talk%3AActive_administrators_of_this_wiki&diff=67216&oldid=67198 this]? --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 16:09, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

: Please, have a look [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Category_talk:Active_administrators_of_this_wiki&oldid=67235#Request_for_admin_intervention]! --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 06:40, 29 June 2009 (EDT).

So is the solution to [[revert]] every edit you don't like and lock the article? Too bad there's no active [[bureaucrat]] around...

==[[User:ChrisChanSonichu|Not Chris Chan]]==

This is very obviously a [[troll]].  The delusions of grandeur displayed there are beyond even him.  Don't be fooled.  [[User:86.46.210.2|86.46.210.2]] 19:51, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

Dear Proxima Centauri, thank you for fighting [[spam]] and otherwise doing so much to make this WikiIndex a better place.  I suspect you have more experience with blocking users than I do -- would you mind sharing your knowledge at [[WikiIndex:Blocking Policy]]?  --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 08:30, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

Hi, noticed the [[WikiSynergy]] page.  Funny!  How did you find us?  You seem to know [[RationalWiki]] and have done some research on recent edits (he may or may not have been trolling, and was otherwise a bit useful). [[User:Purple Scissor|Purple Scissor]] 03:18, 25 July 2009 (EDT)

Why did you think [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiSynergy&oldid=68093 this?]  It is not true, but I am very interested to know why you thought it.  I once tried to get a [[username]] on [[Conservapedia]], and I won't go near the place again, though they are welcome to bring their controversies to WikiSynergy. [[User:Purple Scissor|Purple Scissor]] 03:32, 25 July 2009 (EDT)

::I see.  Actually, it is more accurate to say that it was started originally as a reaction to radical skepticism takeover of [[English Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] articles.  [[RationalWiki]] came across us at the [[SCEPCOP]] forum. Thanks for putting the page up (: [[User:Purple Scissor|Purple Scissor]] 16:55, 25 July 2009 (EDT)

::Check this out [http://wikisynergy.com/wiki/WikiSynergy:To-do_list], see what you think we ought to do. [[User:Purple Scissor|Purple Scissor]] 02:25, 27 July 2009 (EDT)

Yes there is user "Jonah Musto" on [[English Wikipedia]].  See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ABlockList&ip=Jonah+Musto Jonah Musto's block list].

Dear Proxima Centauri,  I find [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Proxima_Centauri&diff=prev&oldid=68254 this edit] a bit confusing.  Is that person -- who logs in as [[User:Jonah Musto]] here -- claiming that the Wikipedia "Jonah Musto" is not the same person?

I see that the person who logs in as [[User:Jonah Musto]] here also claims [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJonah_Musto&diff=68245&oldid=68244] that [[IP editor]] [[Special:Contributions/68.81.95.145]] is not the same person.  Therefore, I blocked 68.81.95.145 for a while.  I'm not sure what else I should do about that.  --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 17:34, 29 July 2009 (EDT)

:[[User:Jonah Musto]] requested that [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:68.81.95.145&diff=prev&oldid=68325 this] user be unblocked which he would not have done if someone else were harassing him. He created an entry for "Credit Card" which is not the purpose of this wiki so I deleted it. He asked people to send him money on his userpage which I also deleted. I've blocked him  for a week though he probably needs longer to grow up. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 08:59, 30 July 2009 (EDT)

::Dear Proxima Centauri,  I am confused. Carl McBride seems to be accusing Jonah Musto of making bad edits to [[User talk:Spud Gun]].  However, when I look at http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Spud_Gun&action=history , I don't see any edits by Jonah Musto. (And one edit by MarvelZuvembie didn't sound at all like MarvelZuvembie to me).  What am I missing? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 00:43, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

:::I [http://www.wikiindex.org/Special:Log/delete deleted] the talkpage of Carl McBride and restored only reasonable edits because I didn't think he'd want that stuff on his talk page or in his talk page history. I tried to delete an edit by Snuffeluppergus who was also a troll, perhaps the computer didn't delete that properly and attributed it to the wrong user. I'll delete and restore again. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 06:36, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

::::Ah, so that's what I've been missing.  Such deletion of page history is something I used to do a lot.  Until I read '[[RationalWiki:Conservapedia:Burning the Evidence|Burning the Evidence]]' (one [[web.archive:20071030070633/http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/Conservapedia:Burning the Evidence|archive]]).  That made me swing in the opposite direction, towards almost never deleting page history.  Perhaps you can help me find a good balance between the two. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 23:44, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

:I agree that "censoring criticism" and "deleting mindless personal abuse" are two different things.  I agree that we don't need mindless abuse.  If you delete abuse by editing the page normally, leaving the unwanted stuff in the history, then everyone can see what is happening.  Some people call this "open process" [http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?OpenProcess (Meatball: "open process")].  If you delete abuse by removing it from the history, then it is impossible for most people to tell whether you are deleting abuse or censoring criticism.

:*Any roadblock that stops such helpful people from adding wiki to the WikiIndex, prevents me from accomplishing my goal. Therefore, such roadblocks must be removed.

:*Sometimes people make edits (such as edits to their user page) that technically don't add to the list of wiki at WikiIndex, but at least they don't make the list of wiki at WikiIndex any worse. (Let me call these "side actions" -- is there a better name? -- because they are not moving us forward towards our goal, but they are not pulling us away from our goal, either).

:*Such people often use "User contributions" to see what that person actually did, rather than rely on what someone who wants that person blocked claims that person allegedly did.

:::I haven't looked at the evidence but from what little I know of [[DavidCary]], he seems to be a sensible person. But as I have said before, it doesn't seem that editors and [[sysop]]s have any instructions to go by. Two sysops didn't really know what to expect of the owners until there was a conflict. One of them says they are retiring now, and now it seems you may loose another. This may have been prevented if they had some instructions from the beginning. Blocks that are now apparently deemed illegitimate, may have been prevented, if there were rules. Actually I'm not sure when DavidCary's the block policy proposal came out in relation to this, but that is a great idea. I would suggest moving it right to the policy page. Even a half-baked policy is better than no policy. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:49, 5 September 2009 (EDT)  

::::Actually many of [[DavidCary]]'s ideas above, may as well be adapted as a guideline for [[sysop]]s. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 17:04, 5 September 2009 (EDT)

==Unblock IP address (68.81.95.145), see [[user talk:68.81.95.145]]==

Unblock [[IP address]] (68.81.95.145). Visit [[user talk:68.81.95.145]] and see the request I posted because he/she doesn't deserve to be blocked. All he/she did was removing vacation notice when he/she was back from vacation, and I can see that the owner of [[User:Jonah Musto]] is the same person who owns the ip address of 68.81.95.145 because I saw that user Jonah Musto requested unblock on [[user talk:68.81.95.145]].

The [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:68.81.95.145&diff=prev&oldid=6876 user] looks like a [[sockpuppet]] of Jonah Musto who pretended to harass himself.  [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 06:50, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

:You have a conflict of interest. You are spamming your wiki. However, most people are hanging out at Bob's place, not yours. Wonder why? [[User:65.60.53.250|65.60.53.250]] 15:57, 23 August 2009 (EDT)

::(ec)As was Liberapedia. [[User:65.60.53.250|65.60.53.250]] 16:00, 23 August 2009 (EDT)

:If you had bothered to read my edits instead of just mindlessly [[revert]]ing, you'd know. [[User:67.159.45.53|67.159.45.53]] 16:35, 23 August 2009 (EDT)

 

::It's also funny how the current version of the article states how long it will be down, then in the next sentence it says we don't know how long. [[User:67.159.45.53|67.159.45.53]] 16:38, 23 August 2009 (EDT)

 

:::And I guess under you policy of removing content being a blockable offense, no-one could remove that. Genius! [[User:67.159.45.53|67.159.45.53]] 16:40, 23 August 2009 (EDT)

 

::::The article also says that RationalWiki is offline since Aug 20 and Aug 22, neither of which is true. Lol. Congratulations. [[User:67.159.45.53|67.159.45.53]] 16:42, 23 August 2009 (EDT)

And I will help you against this vandal. I don't benefit from him either. Phantom Hoover 05:41, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

:Look, please, unblock me. These Captchas are a huge brake on my ability to revert him. [[User:92.233.174.117|92.233.174.117]] 05:53, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

::Fine. You're on your own. [[User:92.233.174.117|92.233.174.117]] 05:59, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

Several users or several [[sockpuppet]]s of the same user first insisted on getting the [[RationalWiki]] article their way if they could, then when I protected that article they started general [[vandal]]ism.  I hope I've cleared it all up. As far as I know they're all blocked but the user or users are experts at ban evasion and range blocks may be needed if it restarts. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 06:19, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

: ''From the [[Community Portal]] - Join us in realtime - irc.freenode.net, #WikiIndex (irc://irc.freenode.net/wikiindex)'' ~~ [[MarkDilley]] ( here is [http://java.freenode.net/index.php?channel=wikiindex web base if you don't have a client])

I feel there's every reason why [http://wikiindex.org/Special:Ipblocklist agressive [[vandal]]ism and trolling] shouldn't succeed and I feel that's now more important than the [[RationalWiki]] article.  If that sort of thing succeeds once there may be more of it. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 12:40, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

:The vandalism was to get a senior admin to notice, and the trolling took place only in your mind. You could have at least turned up to the IRC meeting. Phantom Hoover 13:18, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

:If you are using firefox try installing and configuring [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/16 chatzilla].--[[User:Bob M|Bob M]] 14:03, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

Hi, I unblocked Nx and Phantom Hoover citing this reason:  'For honoring the cool down period - while I try to figure this out, I appreciate it  - I still don't want things to heat up, I am listening and will try to work with folks that are trying to work through this. [[MarkDilley]]'  I look forward to still working on this and appreciate this situation.  Please let me know privately or publicly what you think about it.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]  [email protected]

:You got zapped because Proxima was abusing her power, and Nx needed to get someone to pay attention. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 16:15, 27 August 2009 (EDT)

:: Well, that is a bit daft. Zapping me is an act of bad faith. And as I've got no [[sysop]] powers, there is nothing I could do to change Proxima Centauri's behavior. The only thing that vandalising my page is going to make me think to do is ask the admins to block someone's IP (or follow them around reverting their [[vandal]]ism). It is a counter-productive behavior. It is going to make people think that Nx is a trouble maker.

Because you are an active [[sysop]] here, I plan to quote some of your statements in the policy proposal pages, for example, [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines|here]]. The purpose of this is to give editors an idea of what they can expect from the administration here, and to see if we cannot reach consensus on policy. These quotes would have source links next to them, and I will sign them to show that I am doing the quoting. I intend to '''not quote anything mentioning a specific conflict'''. But if your statements regarding a specific conflict seem relevant to the subject, I may ''paraphrase'' it (to the best of my ability) in a generalized format, to avoid offending those involved in the conflict (and thus re-opening the debate on the policy page). I will additionally link to the source, of the paraphrase, as this is very necessarily to establish or dismiss the legitimacy of a paraphrase. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 04:28, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

I'm suggesting we test out a [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines#Notes to editors of this page|policy of neutrality]] with regard to edits done on policy pages. Therefore, I propose we relocate or paraphrase any comments made there, in keeping with this policy. (So others will not be allowed to insert things you may find offensive.) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 04:28, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

::I can only see what is in the histories (and I haven't really looked at the block log) and I honestly don't know what a [[troll]] means to you. I figure I'm not a troll because you [[User talk:Lumenos|posted this on my user page]]. But I might be very blunt in a criticism and I could even be wrong. I ''think'' I may know who some of the "trolls" are... or goblins or whatever, and I'm asking people to try to post their "editing conventions" or "definitions of a troll". Would you want to post a definition of a troll on the [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines|policy page]] or it's talk page, so we could have some idea what you are asking for? Or just say what sort of standards you think should be expected of editors? You were a very active [[sysop]] and your input would be greatly appreciated. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 09:31, 4 September 2009 (EDT)

:::I can see how it can be difficult to [[User talk:Nx|produce an "unbiased" article]] without blocking, when some editors are online more than others. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 10:28, 4 September 2009 (EDT)

:::::I'm not sure who Nx is talking about but I'm gonna pretend its me cause I do enjoy are debates. However, since this is someone else's userpage I will reply [[User talk:Lumenos#My .22agenda.22 part 2 .28this time it.27s scienticlish.29|on mine instead]]. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:27, 4 September 2009 (EDT)