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Looks good to me.  [[User:Chadlupkes|Chadlupkes]] 16:09, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
Looks good to me.  [[Special:Contributions/Chadlupkes|Chadlupkes]] 16:09, 13 June 2008 (EDT)


==WikiIndex==
==WikiIndex==
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::Hello and [[welcome]] to [[WikiIndex]]!  Great to have you here!  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
::Hello and [[welcome]] to [[WikiIndex]]!  Great to have you here!  Best, [[MarkDilley]]


==[[:Category:ReadOnly]]==
==[[:Category:Read-only]]==
Do you agree with me that none of the sites in that category are really wikis? --<b>Elassint</b>, 07 2 2008 <sup>[[User talk:Elassint|talk]]</sup>
Do you agree with me that none of the sites in that category are really wikis? --<b>Elassint</b>, 07 2 2008 <sup>[[User talk:Elassint|talk]]</sup>
:I'm not sure.  People may want to know about them.  It seems they're more like ordinary web sites where ordinary folk can't edit. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 10:25, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
:I'm not sure.  People may want to know about them.  It seems they're more like ordinary web sites where ordinary folk can't edit. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 10:25, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
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==I edited your work==
==I edited your work==
Just wanted to know I [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=CommunityServerWiki&diff=55331&oldid=55322 edited] this.  And what does it mean CyberArmy? [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=BayleShanks&curid=3126&diff=55327&oldid=47129&rcid=59645] [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Booyaa_Wiki&curid=8496&diff=55329&oldid=34888&rcid=59647] - Best, [[MarkDilley]]
Just wanted to know I [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=CommunityServerWiki&diff=55331&oldid=55322 edited] this.  And what does it mean CyberArmy? [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=BayleShanks&curid=3126&diff=55327&oldid=47129&rcid=59645] [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Booyaa_Wiki&curid=8496&diff=55329&oldid=34888&rcid=59647] - Best, [[MarkDilley]]
:I don't know the Wiki.  I'm editing all the Wikis classed as [[:Category:ReadOnly|read only]] because they are discussing deleting them.  If you know the wiki and know that it's editable please remove it from the read only category. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 05:07, 9 July 2008 (EDT)
:I don't know the Wiki.  I'm editing all the Wikis classed as [[:Category:Read-only|read only]] because they are discussing deleting them.  If you know the wiki and know that it's editable please remove it from the read only category. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 05:07, 9 July 2008 (EDT)


==[[vandal]]?==
==[[vandal]]?==
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:Are you talking about Deborah?  Because I don't think any accommodation is possible, barring a "he said/she said" section.  CPers do not live in the same reality as everyone else, and they KNOW we're WRONG. --[[User talk:Gulik|Gulik]] 16:59, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
:Are you talking about Deborah?  Because I don't think any accommodation is possible, barring a "he said/she said" section.  CPers do not live in the same reality as everyone else, and they KNOW we're WRONG. --[[User talk:Gulik|Gulik]] 16:59, 4 August 2008 (EDT)


==Category:Pseudoscience==
==Category:Pseudo-science==
Good idea for a category. There are a good proportion of the [[wiki]]s in [[:category: Science]] that could be shifted to [[:category:Pseudoscience]]. --[[User:Spud Gun|<b><FONT COLOR="#8B3A3A">Carl McBride</FONT></b>]] ([[User talk:Spud Gun|talk]]) 07:01, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
Good idea for a category. There are a good proportion of the [[wiki]]s in [[:category: Science]] that could be shifted to [[:category: Pseudo-science]]. --[[User:Spud Gun|<b><FONT COLOR="#8B3A3A">Carl McBride</FONT></b>]] ([[User talk:Spud Gun|talk]]) 07:01, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
:Sssssss... Get out of bed! --[[User:Snuffleupagus|Snuffleupagus]] 12:33, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
:Sssssss... Get out of bed! --[[User:Snuffleupagus|Snuffleupagus]] 12:33, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
::My computer's broken down.  I'm limited to times I can get to public computers for at the moment.  I hope I'll get mine repaired by early next week. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 10:52, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
::My computer's broken down.  I'm limited to times I can get to public computers for at the moment.  I hope I'll get mine repaired by early next week. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 10:52, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
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==Sysop==
==Sysop==
Hello, I made you a [[sysop]] because, through your efforts here, you care about this [[wiki]].  Work here is open - much of it is a reference (like [[Wikis to Add]] - not exactly what I had envisioned - but cool none the less :-)  I hope to highlight some cool things that are happening within wiki communities here - give it some warmth.  But really - you can build it in a direction you want.  One thing I think is lacking is [[welcoming]].  Several years ago, many of us got together at [[WikiSym]] in [[:Category:Denmark|Denmark]] and we set up [[WikiOhana]] - one of the first things we thought needed to happen in wikis - was to welcome people.  What also needed to happen was to welcome wikis to the [[WikiOhana]].  Look forward to more.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
Hello, I made you a [[sysop]] because, through your efforts here, you care about this [[wiki]].  Work here is open - much of it is a reference (like [[WikiProject:Wikis to Add]] - not exactly what I had envisioned - but cool none the less :-)  I hope to highlight some cool things that are happening within wiki communities here - give it some warmth.  But really - you can build it in a direction you want.  One thing I think is lacking is [[welcoming]].  Several years ago, many of us got together at [[WikiSym]] in [[:Category:Denmark|Denmark]] and we set up [[WikiOhana]] - one of the first things we thought needed to happen in wikis - was to welcome people.  What also needed to happen was to welcome wikis to the [[WikiOhana]].  Look forward to more.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]


==Re: Welcome==
==Re: Welcome==
Thanks for the welcome. I'm already used to fighting on several wikis, so that doesn't actually bother me. Also, if an [[edit war]] occurs and everyone keeps [[revert]]ing and stuff, protection may be recommended. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 11:40, 19 November 2008 (EST)
Thanks for the welcome. I'm already used to fighting on several wikis, so that doesn't actually bother me. Also, if an [[edit war]] occurs and everyone keeps [[revert]]ing and stuff, protection may be recommended. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 11:40, 19 November 2008 (EST)
:I know. Before I became a [[sysop]] I promised that I wouldn't use sysop buttons over the [[Conservapedia]] / [[RationalWiki]] issue. I'm stuck.  I can't easily do anything. I think we're all used to fighting on other wikis. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 16:36, 19 November 2008 (EST)
:I know. Before I became a [[sysop]] I promised that I wouldn't use sysop buttons over the [[Conservapedia]] / [[RationalWiki (en)]] issue. I'm stuck.  I can't easily do anything. I think we're all used to fighting on other wikis. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 16:36, 19 November 2008 (EST)


==Sorry for my tardiness==
==Sorry for my tardiness==
I want to talk about what I see as beneficial about [[wiki]]s, in terms of a constructive point of view.  First, I want to be part of a community that has no [[edit war]].  While we work in a wiki, [[edit]]ing is given - so if there is something said, we can change it, but if it is said again, we must work to figure out why the other person is saying it.  I do not think that this is a pollyanna view - because I do believe that giving a [[good faith]] effort has a limit.  I will go to the pages to see if I can figure out what is going on.  Thank you for your efforts here.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
I want to talk about what I see as beneficial about [[wiki]]s, in terms of a constructive point of view.  First, I want to be part of a community that has no [[edit war]].  While we work in a wiki, [[edit]]ing is given - so if there is something said, we can change it, but if it is said again, we must work to figure out why the other person is saying it.  I do not think that this is a pollyanna view - because I do believe that giving a [[Assume good faith|good faith]] effort has a limit.  I will go to the pages to see if I can figure out what is going on.  Thank you for your efforts here.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]


==Introduction==
==Introduction==
Hi, I'm [[User:ForestForTrees|ForestForTrees]]. I'm way too busy right now seeding [[TMS Wiki|The TMS Wiki]] to do much editing here, but thought it would be good to introduce myself. [[User:ForestForTrees|ForestForTrees]] 12:13, 19 January 2009 (EST)
Hi, I'm [[Special:Contributions/ForestForTrees|ForestForTrees]]. I'm way too busy right now seeding [[TMS Wiki|The TMS Wiki]] to do much editing here, but thought it would be good to introduce myself. [[Special:Contributions/ForestForTrees|ForestForTrees]] 12:13, 19 January 2009 (EST)


==ComplaintWiki==
==ComplaintWiki==
Perhaps your complaints on [[:category:Wikia]] would be more appropriate on the [[ComplaintWiki]] article, since the ComplaintWiki is an anti-Wikia wiki. In addition, I'm not sure if Wikia is going to view the article on themselves, so maybe you would be better off complaining to Wikia on a Wikia Forum if you want change, although they may have already seen your concerns on [[Uncyclopedia]]. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 09:18, 27 January 2009 (EST)
Perhaps your complaints on [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]] would be more appropriate on the [[ComplaintWiki]] article, since the ComplaintWiki is an anti-Wikia wiki. In addition, I'm not sure if Wikia is going to view the article on themselves, so maybe you would be better off complaining to Wikia on a Wikia Forum if you want change, although they may have already seen your concerns on [[Uncyclopedia]]. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 09:18, 27 January 2009 (EST)
:Thanks for telling me, but I'm not responsible for the site. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 17:55, 1 February 2009 (EST)
:Thanks for telling me, but I'm not responsible for the site. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 17:55, 1 February 2009 (EST)


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==Jazzman vs. HelpJazz==
==Jazzman vs. HelpJazz==
Judging from '''[http://RationalWiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:HelpJazz&diff=115773&oldid=115381 this edit]''', I say that HelpJazz and [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] are two separate individuals (at least on [[RationalWiki]]). --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 15:42, 16 February 2009 (EST)
Judging from '''[http://RationalWiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:HelpJazz&diff=115773&oldid=115381 this edit]''', I say that HelpJazz and [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] are two separate individuals (at least on [[RationalWiki (en)]]). --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 15:42, 16 February 2009 (EST)
:See '''[http://www.Conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Jazzman831 this]''', [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] has been banned from [[Conservapedia]] since 2007. Really, I doubt that HelpJazz and Jazzman are the same person. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 16:01, 16 February 2009 (EST)
:See '''[http://www.Conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Jazzman831 this]''', [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] has been banned from [[Conservapedia]] since 2007. Really, I doubt that HelpJazz and Jazzman are the same person. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 16:01, 16 February 2009 (EST)
::Reconsidered -- they may be the same person on [[Conservapedia]], but they are two separate individuals on [[RationalWiki]]. I don't edit either of those wikis, so I really don't know much about them. Checking his edits, both HelpJazz and Jazzman has appeared to only be at Conservapedia in order to disrupt it. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 16:26, 16 February 2009 (EST)
::Reconsidered -- they may be the same person on [[Conservapedia]], but they are two separate individuals on [[RationalWiki (en)]]. I don't edit either of those wikis, so I really don't know much about them. Checking his edits, both HelpJazz and Jazzman has appeared to only be at Conservapedia in order to disrupt it. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 16:26, 16 February 2009 (EST)
:::There is at least one troll. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 03:38, 17 February 2009 (EST)
:::There is at least one troll. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 03:38, 17 February 2009 (EST)


==[[Bureaucrat]]s==
==[[Bureaucrat]]s==
I removed your name from [[:category:Wikia]] since everyone (including myself) appear to have this ability. Wikia is probably preparing for MediaWiki 14.0. According to [https://Lists.Wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-announce/2009-February/000084.html this], the new software is now available in its stable form. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 15:01, 23 February 2009 (EST)
I removed your name from [[:category: Wikia]] since everyone (including myself) appear to have this ability. Wikia is probably preparing for MediaWiki 14.0. According to [https://Lists.Wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-announce/2009-February/000084.html this], the new software is now available in its stable form. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 15:01, 23 February 2009 (EST)


==Re: slow Wikia==
==Re: slow Wikia==
Which [[:Category:Wikia#Skins|skin]] do you use? If you're using [[:Category:Wikia#Monaco|Monaco]], then it's not Wikia that's slowing you down; it's the Monaco skin that's slowing you down. Monaco has too many elements and graphics that need extra loading time. Try switching to Monobook; less thing load and such. I'm using the computer at one of my university's library, and it's not slow. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 12:28, 24 February 2009 (EST)
Which [[:Category:Wikia#Skins|skin]] do you use? If you're using [[:Category:Wikia#Monaco|Monaco]], then it's not Wikia that's slowing you down; it's the Monaco skin that's slowing you down. Monaco has too many elements and graphics that need extra loading time. Try switching to [[:Category:Monobook|Monobook]]; less thing load and such. I'm using the computer at one of my university's library, and it's not slow. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 12:28, 24 February 2009 (EST)


==Addition of a [[wikiFactor]]?==
==Addition of a [[wikiFactor]]?==
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==New problem==
==New problem==
Hi, I think that you have to say something about [[Wikia:Forum:Changes to the Create Wiki process]] on [[:category:Wikia]]. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 22:23, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
Hi, I think that you have to say something about [[Wikia:Forum:Changes to the Create Wiki process]] on [[:category: Wikia]]. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 22:23, 25 March 2009 (EDT)


==Spam==
==Spam==
[[:Category:SpamFighting]]
[[:Category: SpamFighting]] Dear Proxima Centauri,  Thank you for fighting spam.  I am mystified at something I see in the Recent changes:
 
Dear Proxima Centauri,  Thank you for fighting spam.  I am mystified at something I see in the Recent changes:


:8 June 2009
:8 June 2009
:*(Block log); 11:16 . . Proxima Centauri (Talk | contribs | block) (blocked "User:" with an expiry time of 6 months: Spamming links to external sites)
:*(Block log); 11:16 . . Proxima Centauri (Talk | contribs | block) (blocked "User:" with an expiry time of 6 months: Spamming links to external sites)


As far as I can tell from [[Special:Contributions/]], this user has edited 2 pages, and I don't see any "links to external sites" in those edits.  While I am in favor of blocking people "Spamming links to external sites", I fail to see how blocking people who don't do that accomplishes that goal.  Therefore I unblocked this user.  Please tell me if I am making a horrible mistake :-).  --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 08:49, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
As far as I can tell from [[Special:Contributions]], this user has edited 2 pages, and I don't see any "links to external sites" in those edits.  While I am in favor of blocking people "Spamming links to external sites", I fail to see how blocking people who don't do that accomplishes that goal.  Therefore I unblocked this user.  Please tell me if I am making a horrible mistake :-).  --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 08:49, 8 June 2009 (EDT)


:I've responded to your message on my user talk page. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 05:48, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:I've responded to your message on my user talk page. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 05:48, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
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So is the solution to [[revert]] every [[edit]] you don't like and lock the article? Too bad there's no active [[bureaucrat]] around...
So is the solution to [[revert]] every [[edit]] you don't like and lock the article? Too bad there's no active [[bureaucrat]] around...
:The bureaucrats here know that I work hard defending the site. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 09:51, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:The bureaucrats here know that I work hard defending the site. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 09:51, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::I see. And why does the [[RationalWiki]] article need "defending", especially after another [[sysop]] has already agreed to unlock it and remove the cyberbullying section? Or do you define [[vandal]]ism as [[conservapedia]] does - anything that disagrees with you?
::I see. And why does the [[RationalWiki (en)]] article need "defending", especially after another [[sysop]] has already agreed to unlock it and remove the cyberbullying section? Or do you define [[vandal]]ism as [[conservapedia]] does - anything that disagrees with you?
:::Sadly, PC, you act in the way your "enemies" do when you have "power".  Please reflect on this. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 02:00, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Sadly, PC, you act in the way your "enemies" do when you have "power".  Please reflect on this. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 02:00, 9 July 2009 (EDT)


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==WikiSynergy==
==WikiSynergy==
Hi, noticed the [[WikiSynergy]] page.  Funny!  How did you find us?  You seem to know [[RationalWiki]] and have done some research on recent edits (he may or may not have been trolling, and was otherwise a bit useful). [[User talk:Purple Scissor|Purple Scissor]] 03:18, 25 July 2009 (EDT)
Hi, noticed the [[WikiSynergy]] page.  Funny!  How did you find us?  You seem to know [[RationalWiki (en)]] and have done some research on recent edits (he may or may not have been trolling, and was otherwise a bit useful). [[User talk:Purple Scissor|Purple Scissor]] 03:18, 25 July 2009 (EDT)


Why did you think [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=WikiSynergy&oldid=68093 this?]  It is not true, but I am very interested to know why you thought it.  I once tried to get a [[username]] on [[Conservapedia]], and I won't go near the place again, though they are welcome to bring their controversies to WikiSynergy. [[User talk:Purple Scissor|Purple Scissor]] 03:32, 25 July 2009 (EDT)
:Why did you think [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=WikiSynergy&oldid=68093 this?]  It is not true, but I am very interested to know why you thought it.  I once tried to get a [[username]] on [[Conservapedia]], and I won't go near the place again, though they are welcome to bring their controversies to WikiSynergy. [[User talk:Purple Scissor|Purple Scissor]] 03:32, 25 July 2009 (EDT)


:[[A Storehouse of Knowledge]] was started by disatisfied Conservapedians so I thought the same aplied to [[WikiSynergy]], also [[RationalWiki]] had dscovered WikiSynergy and they study Conservapedia diligently so I thought they had found WikiSynergy through their Conservapedia contacts.  I changed this the second time I edited the entry. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 11:10, 25 July 2009 (EDT)
::[[A Storehouse of Knowledge]] was started by disatisfied Conservapedians so I thought the same aplied to [[WikiSynergy]], also [[RationalWiki (en)]] had dscovered WikiSynergy and they study Conservapedia diligently so I thought they had found WikiSynergy through their Conservapedia contacts.  I changed this the second time I edited the entry. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 11:10, 25 July 2009 (EDT)


::I see.  Actually, it is more accurate to say that it was started originally as a reaction to radical skepticism takeover of [[English Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] articles.  [[RationalWiki]] came across us at the [[SCEPCOP]] forum. Thanks for putting the page up (: [[User talk:Purple Scissor|Purple Scissor]] 16:55, 25 July 2009 (EDT)
:::I see.  Actually, it is more accurate to say that it was started originally as a reaction to radical skepticism takeover of [[English Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] articles.  [[RationalWiki (en)]] came across us at the SCEPCOP forum. Thanks for putting the page up (: [[User talk:Purple Scissor|Purple Scissor]] 16:55, 25 July 2009 (EDT)


::Check this out [http://WikiSynergy.com/wiki/WikiSynergy:To-do_list], see what you think we ought to do. [[User talk:Purple Scissor|Purple Scissor]] 02:25, 27 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Check this out [http://WikiSynergy.com/wiki/WikiSynergy:To-do_list], see what you think we ought to do. [[User talk:Purple Scissor|Purple Scissor]] 02:25, 27 July 2009 (EDT)


==confusing==
==confusing==
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==Welcome==
==Welcome==
I've created {{Template:Welcome}}
I've created {{Template|Welcome}} which is adapted from [[Liberapedia]]  Is it OK for this Wiki? [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 09:20, 8 August 2009 (EDT)
which is adapted from [[Liberapedia]]  Is it OK for this Wiki? [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 09:20, 8 August 2009 (EDT)


==Ceiling fans==
==Ceiling fans==
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==User:Jonah Musto==
==User:Jonah Musto==
Dear Proxima Centauri, I seem to be having problems with the user [[User:Jonah Musto]]. Repeated [[vandal]]ism of the [[Main Page]], as well as insertion of warning templates on my [[User talk:Spud Gun#Ping|talk]] page. All the best --[[User:Spud Gun|<b><FONT COLOR="#8B3A3A">Carl McBride</FONT></b>]] ([[User talk:Spud Gun|talk]]) 10:50, 19 August 2009 (EDT) (PS I have also copied this message on the talk page of [[User talk:Peu#User:Jonah Musto|Wolf]]).
Dear Proxima Centauri, I seem to be having problems with the user [[User:Jonah Musto]]. Repeated [[vandal]]ism of the [[Wiki main page|Main page]], as well as insertion of warning templates on my [[User talk:Spud Gun#Ping|talk]] page. All the best --[[User:Spud Gun|<b><FONT COLOR="#8B3A3A">Carl McBride</FONT></b>]] ([[User talk:Spud Gun|talk]]) 10:50, 19 August 2009 (EDT) (PS I have also copied this message on the talk page of [[User talk:Peu#User:Jonah Musto|Wolf]]).
:I also suggest the deletion of the image '''Image:2008Jul-ceiling-fan.jpg''' as it appears to be copyrighted material (taken from the page http://ramblings-from-early-retirement.blogspot.com/ --[[User:Spud Gun|<b><FONT COLOR="#8B3A3A">Carl McBride</FONT></b>]] ([[User talk:Spud Gun|talk]]) 11:11, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:I also suggest the deletion of the image 'Image:2008Jul-ceiling-fan.jpg' as it appears to be copyrighted material (taken from the page http://ramblings-from-early-retirement.blogspot.com/ --[[User:Spud Gun|<b><FONT COLOR="#8B3A3A">Carl McBride</FONT></b>]] ([[User talk:Spud Gun|talk]]) 11:11, 19 August 2009 (EDT)


::Dear Proxima Centauri,  I am confused. Carl McBride seems to be accusing Jonah Musto of making bad edits to [[User talk:Spud Gun]].  However, when I look at https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Spud_Gun&action=history , I don't see any edits by Jonah Musto. (And one edit by {{U|MarvelZuvembie}} didn't sound at all like MarvelZuvembie to me).  What am I missing? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 00:43, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
::Dear Proxima Centauri,  I am confused. Carl McBride seems to be accusing Jonah Musto of making bad edits to [[User talk:Spud Gun]].  However, when I look at https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Spud_Gun&action=history , I don't see any edits by Jonah Musto. (And one edit by {{U|MarvelZuvembie}} didn't sound at all like MarvelZuvembie to me).  What am I missing? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 00:43, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
:::I [https://WikiIndex.org/Special:Log/delete deleted] the talkpage of Carl McBride and restored only reasonable edits because I didn't think he'd want that stuff on his talk page or in his talk page history. I tried to delete an edit by Snuffeluppergus who was also a troll, perhaps the computer didn't delete that properly and attributed it to the wrong user. I'll delete and restore again. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 06:36, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
:::I [https://WikiIndex.org/Special:Log/delete deleted] the talk page of Carl McBride and restored only reasonable edits because I didn't think he'd want that stuff on his talk page or in his talk page history. I tried to delete an edit by Snuffeluppergus who was also a troll, perhaps the computer didn't delete that properly and attributed it to the wrong user. I'll delete and restore again. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 06:36, 20 August 2009 (EDT)


::::Ah, so that's what I've been missing.  Such deletion of page history is something I used to do a lot.  Until I read '[[RationalWiki:Conservapedia:Burning the Evidence|Burning the Evidence]]' (one [[Archive.org:20071030070633/http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/Conservapedia:Burning the Evidence|archive]]).  That made me swing in the opposite direction, towards almost never deleting page history.  Perhaps you can help me find a good balance between the two. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 23:44, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
::::Ah, so that's what I've been missing.  Such deletion of page history is something I used to do a lot.  Until I read '[[RationalWiki:Conservapedia:Burning the Evidence|Burning the Evidence]]' (one [[Archive.org:20071030070633/http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/Conservapedia:Burning the Evidence|archive]]).  That made me swing in the opposite direction, towards almost never deleting page history.  Perhaps you can help me find a good balance between the two. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 23:44, 20 August 2009 (EDT)


[[RationalWiki]] is down at the moment so I can't follow the link but I know from memory their opinions on [[Conservapedia]].  RationaiWiki was/is (Despite problems I had I hope this informative wiki returns.) strongly critical of attempts by Conservapedia to censor criticism of Conservatives, of Conservapedia, or of their administrators by deleteing uncomfortable material.  Further Rationalwikians like gloating (irresponsibly?) over Conservapedia's probems and mind if the evidence is removed. I don't see a problem about deleting mindless personal abuse in a wiki. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 03:42, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
[[RationalWiki (en)]] is down at the moment so I can't follow the link but I know from memory their opinions on [[Conservapedia]].  RationaiWiki was/is (Despite problems I had I hope this informative wiki returns.) strongly critical of attempts by Conservapedia to censor criticism of Conservatives, of Conservapedia, or of their administrators by deleteing uncomfortable material.  Further Rationalwikians like gloating (irresponsibly?) over Conservapedia's probems and mind if the evidence is removed. I don't see a problem about deleting mindless personal abuse in a wiki. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 03:42, 21 August 2009 (EDT)


:The "[[Archive.org]]" link seems to be working now.
:The "[[Archive.org]]" link seems to be working now.
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::I applaud you. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 13:50, 5 September 2009 (EDT)
::I applaud you. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 13:50, 5 September 2009 (EDT)
:::I haven't looked at the evidence but from what little I know of {{U|DavidCary}}, he seems to be a sensible person. But as I have said before, it doesn't seem that editors and [[sysop]]s have any instructions to go by. Two sysops didn't really know what to expect of the [[owner]]s until there was a conflict. One of them says they are retiring now, and now it seems you may loose another. This may have been prevented if they had some instructions from the beginning. Blocks that are now apparently deemed illegitimate, may have been prevented, if there were rules. Actually I'm not sure when DavidCary's the block policy proposal came out in relation to this, but that is a great idea. I would suggest moving it right to the policy page. Even a half-baked policy is better than no policy. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:49, 5 September 2009 (EDT)  
:::I haven't looked at the evidence but from what little I know of {{U|DavidCary}}, he seems to be a sensible person. But as I have said before, it doesn't seem that [[editor]]s and [[sysop]]s have any instructions to go by. Two sysops didn't really know what to expect of the [[owner]]s until there was a conflict. One of them says they are retiring now, and now it seems you may loose another. This may have been prevented if they had some instructions from the beginning. Blocks that are now apparently deemed illegitimate, may have been prevented, if there were rules. Actually I'm not sure when DavidCary's the block policy proposal came out in relation to this, but that is a great idea. I would suggest moving it right to the policy page. Even a half-baked policy is better than no policy. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:49, 5 September 2009 (EDT)  


:::I don't know how many people are lined up to take over the grueling work of fixing [[vandal]]ism and whatnot. I don't know how much work it is, but either way why don't we make some instructions and see if whoever will follow them? That is why I made a [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines|policy development page]]. (If it seems I have been using it for my benefit or fun, I apologize.) It doesn't matter to me where or how you do it, I could move "my" policy page to my wiki, and you could start over with your own, but that seems clearly to be part of the solution. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:49, 5 September 2009 (EDT)
:::I don't know how many people are lined up to take over the grueling work of fixing [[vandal]]ism and whatnot. I don't know how much work it is, but either way why don't we make some instructions and see if whoever will follow them? That is why I made a [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines|policy development page]]. (If it seems I have been using it for my benefit or fun, I apologize.) It doesn't matter to me where or how you do it, I could move "my" policy page to my wiki, and you could start over with your own, but that seems clearly to be part of the solution. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:49, 5 September 2009 (EDT)


:::If the ability to oversight could be removed, I would recommend that in Proxima's case, for the time being, especially if the other sysops can't even see what is going on. But I don't know if she wants the job anymore, anyway. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:49, 5 September 2009 (EDT)
:::If the ability to [[oversight]] could be removed, I would recommend that in Proxima's case, for the time being, especially if the other sysops can't even see what is going on. But I don't know if she wants the job anymore, anyway. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:49, 5 September 2009 (EDT)


::::Actually many of {{U|DavidCary}}'s ideas above, may as well be adapted as a guideline for [[sysop]]s. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 17:04, 5 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Actually many of {{U|DavidCary}}'s ideas above, may as well be adapted as a guideline for [[sysop]]s. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 17:04, 5 September 2009 (EDT)
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:Even when that content is '''FLIPPING WRONG?''' [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 15:49, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
:Even when that content is '''FLIPPING WRONG?''' [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 15:49, 23 August 2009 (EDT)


[[Liberapedia]] is a place where [[RationalWiki]]ans can hang out during the crisis, further Liberapedia has articles critical of [[Conservapedia]] and that information should not have been removed. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 15:54, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
[[Liberapedia]] is a place where [[RationalWiki (en)|RationalWikians]] can hang out during the crisis, further Liberapedia has articles critical of [[Conservapedia]] and that information should not have been removed. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 15:54, 23 August 2009 (EDT)


:You have a conflict of interest. You are spamming your wiki. However, most people are hanging out at Bob's place, not yours. Wonder why? [[Special:Contributions/65.60.53.250|65.60.53.250]] 15:57, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
:You have a conflict of interest. You are [[spam]]ming your wiki. However, most people are hanging out at Bob's place, not yours. Wonder why? [[Special:Contributions/65.60.53.250|65.60.53.250]] 15:57, 23 August 2009 (EDT)


Bob's place is also mentioned as a place where [[RationalWiki]]ans hang out. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 15:58, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
Bob's place is also mentioned as a place where [[RationalWiki (en)|RationalWikians]] hang out. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 15:58, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
:Where '''all''' of them hang out. It's the only one where we've been fully welcomed and stayed at. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 15:59, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
:Where '''all''' of them hang out. It's the only one where we've been fully welcomed and stayed at. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 15:59, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
::(ec)As was Liberapedia. [[Special:Contributions/65.60.53.250|65.60.53.250]] 16:00, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
::(ec)As was Liberapedia. [[Special:Contributions/65.60.53.250|65.60.53.250]] 16:00, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
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==From Nx==
==From Nx==
<blockquote>Please inform miss Centauri that I have sent Mr. Stanton and Mr. Ernst emails regarding this situation. Also inform her that if I'm not unblocked by tomorrow morning 8:00 CET, [[RationalWiki]] will be down forever for her, and she will be more than welcome to read about [[Conservapedia]] or improve articles at [[Liberapedia]] meanwhile. Nx 20:18, 23 August 2009 (UTC)</blockquote>
<blockquote>Please inform miss Centauri that I have sent Mr. Stanton and Mr. Ernst emails regarding this situation. Also inform her that if I'm not unblocked by tomorrow morning 8:00 CET, [[RationalWiki (en)]] will be down forever for her, and she will be more than welcome to read about [[Conservapedia]] or improve articles at [[Liberapedia]] meanwhile. Nx 20:18, 23 August 2009 (UTC)</blockquote>
[[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 16:25, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
[[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 16:25, 23 August 2009 (EDT)


Will [[RationalWiki]] be down for ever for everyone? [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 16:32, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
Will [[RationalWiki (en)]] be down for ever for everyone? [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 16:32, 23 August 2009 (EDT)


See [[Talk:RationalWiki#Why is RationalWiki down?|Why is RationalWiki down?]]. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 04:53, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
See [[Talk:RationalWiki (en)#Why is RationalWiki down?|Why is RationalWiki down?]]. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 04:53, 24 August 2009 (EDT)


:If you had bothered to read my [[edit]]s instead of just mindlessly [[revert]]ing, you'd know. [[Special:Contributions/67.159.45.53|67.159.45.53]] 16:35, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
:If you had bothered to read my [[edit]]s instead of just mindlessly [[revert]]ing, you'd know. [[Special:Contributions/67.159.45.53|67.159.45.53]] 16:35, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
::It's also funny how the current version of the article states how long it will be down, then in the next sentence it says we don't know how long. [[Special:Contributions/67.159.45.53|67.159.45.53]] 16:38, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
::It's also funny how the current version of the article states how long it will be down, then in the next sentence it says we don't know how long. [[Special:Contributions/67.159.45.53|67.159.45.53]] 16:38, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
:::And I guess under you policy of removing content being a blockable offense, no-one could remove that. Genius! [[Special:Contributions/67.159.45.53|67.159.45.53]] 16:40, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
:::And I guess under you policy of removing content being a blockable offense, no-one could remove that. Genius! [[Special:Contributions/67.159.45.53|67.159.45.53]] 16:40, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
::::The article also says that [[RationalWiki]] is offline since Aug 20 and Aug 22, neither of which is true. Lol. Congratulations. [[Special:Contributions/67.159.45.53|67.159.45.53]] 16:42, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
::::The article also says that [[RationalWiki (en)]] is offline since Aug 20 and Aug 22, neither of which is true. Lol. Congratulations. [[Special:Contributions/67.159.45.53|67.159.45.53]] 16:42, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::PC, do you specialize in 1. being wrong, 2. making lame guesses, and 3. being a totalitarian in your spare time?  Your actions at [[RationalWiki]] are TKesque at best.  Locking articles to say what you want to say, no matter how wrong they are?  Whatever universe or worldview that comes from, I don't think it is "scientific".  PS, the RW blog has been updated, we now have a projection of when the site will be live again. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 00:06, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::PC, do you specialize in 1. being wrong, 2. making lame guesses, and 3. being a totalitarian in your spare time?  Your actions at [[RationalWiki (en)]] are TKesque at best.  Locking articles to say what you want to say, no matter how wrong they are?  Whatever universe or worldview that comes from, I don't think it is "scientific".  PS, the RW blog has been updated, we now have a projection of when the site will be live again. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 00:06, 24 August 2009 (EDT)


==Please unblock me==
==Please unblock me==
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Hey, you up for chatting in [[Internet Relay Chat]] (IRC) to help get me up to speed? Best, [[MarkDilley]]
Hey, you up for chatting in [[Internet Relay Chat]] (IRC) to help get me up to speed? Best, [[MarkDilley]]


Several [[user]]s or several [[sockpuppet]]s of the same user first insisted on getting the [[RationalWiki]] article their way if they could, then when I protected that article they started general [[vandal]]ism.  I hope I've cleared it all up. As far as I know they're all blocked but the user or users are experts at ban evasion and range blocks may be needed if it restarts. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 06:19, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
Several [[user]]s or several [[sockpuppet]]s of the same user first insisted on getting the [[RationalWiki (en)]] article their way if they could, then when I protected that article they started general [[vandal]]ism.  I hope I've cleared it all up. As far as I know they're all blocked but the user or users are experts at ban evasion and range blocks may be needed if it restarts. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 06:19, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
:We tried to improve the article, correct factual errors, improve your terrible writing, but most importantly, remove the blatant advertisement of [[Liberapedia]].
:We tried to improve the article, correct factual errors, improve your terrible writing, but most importantly, remove the blatant advertisement of [[Liberapedia]].


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Sorry to butt in, but there's no reason for that article to be protected. Also, the promotion of [[Liberapedia]] and PsyGremlin's blog don't belong in an article like that. [[User:SuperJosh|SuperJosh]] 11:30, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
Sorry to butt in, but there's no reason for that article to be protected. Also, the promotion of [[Liberapedia]] and PsyGremlin's blog don't belong in an article like that. [[User:SuperJosh|SuperJosh]] 11:30, 24 August 2009 (EDT)


I feel there's every reason why [[Special:BlockList|agressive vandalism and trolling]] shouldn't succeed and I feel that's now more important than the [[RationalWiki]] article.  If that sort of thing succeeds once there may be more of it. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 12:40, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
I feel there's every reason why [[Special:BlockList|agressive vandalism and trolling]] shouldn't succeed and I feel that's now more important than the [[RationalWiki (en)]] article.  If that sort of thing succeeds once there may be more of it. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 12:40, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
:The [[vandal]]ism was to get a senior admin to notice, and the trolling took place only in your mind. You could have at least turned up to the IRC meeting. Phantom Hoover 13:18, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
:The [[vandal]]ism was to get a senior admin to notice, and the trolling took place only in your mind. You could have at least turned up to the IRC meeting. Phantom Hoover 13:18, 24 August 2009 (EDT)