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==Re: Welcome== | ==Re: Welcome== | ||
Thanks for the welcome. I'm already used to fighting on several wikis, so that doesn't actually bother me. Also, if an [[edit war]] occurs and everyone keeps [[revert]]ing and stuff, protection may be recommended. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 11:40, 19 November 2008 (EST) | Thanks for the welcome. I'm already used to fighting on several wikis, so that doesn't actually bother me. Also, if an [[edit war]] occurs and everyone keeps [[revert]]ing and stuff, protection may be recommended. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 11:40, 19 November 2008 (EST) | ||
:I know. Before I became a [[sysop]] I promised that I wouldn't use sysop buttons over the [[Conservapedia]] / [[RationalWiki]] issue. I'm stuck. I can't easily do anything. I think we're all used to fighting on other wikis. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 16:36, 19 November 2008 (EST) | :I know. Before I became a [[sysop]] I promised that I wouldn't use sysop buttons over the [[Conservapedia]] / [[RationalWiki (en)]] issue. I'm stuck. I can't easily do anything. I think we're all used to fighting on other wikis. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 16:36, 19 November 2008 (EST) | ||
==Sorry for my tardiness== | ==Sorry for my tardiness== | ||
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==Jazzman vs. HelpJazz== | ==Jazzman vs. HelpJazz== | ||
Judging from '''[http://RationalWiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:HelpJazz&diff=115773&oldid=115381 this edit]''', I say that HelpJazz and [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] are two separate individuals (at least on [[RationalWiki]]). --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 15:42, 16 February 2009 (EST) | Judging from '''[http://RationalWiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:HelpJazz&diff=115773&oldid=115381 this edit]''', I say that HelpJazz and [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] are two separate individuals (at least on [[RationalWiki (en)]]). --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 15:42, 16 February 2009 (EST) | ||
:See '''[http://www.Conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Jazzman831 this]''', [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] has been banned from [[Conservapedia]] since 2007. Really, I doubt that HelpJazz and Jazzman are the same person. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 16:01, 16 February 2009 (EST) | :See '''[http://www.Conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Jazzman831 this]''', [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] has been banned from [[Conservapedia]] since 2007. Really, I doubt that HelpJazz and Jazzman are the same person. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 16:01, 16 February 2009 (EST) | ||
::Reconsidered -- they may be the same person on [[Conservapedia]], but they are two separate individuals on [[RationalWiki]]. I don't edit either of those wikis, so I really don't know much about them. Checking his edits, both HelpJazz and Jazzman has appeared to only be at Conservapedia in order to disrupt it. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 16:26, 16 February 2009 (EST) | ::Reconsidered -- they may be the same person on [[Conservapedia]], but they are two separate individuals on [[RationalWiki (en)]]. I don't edit either of those wikis, so I really don't know much about them. Checking his edits, both HelpJazz and Jazzman has appeared to only be at Conservapedia in order to disrupt it. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 16:26, 16 February 2009 (EST) | ||
:::There is at least one troll. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 03:38, 17 February 2009 (EST) | :::There is at least one troll. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 03:38, 17 February 2009 (EST) | ||
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So is the solution to [[revert]] every [[edit]] you don't like and lock the article? Too bad there's no active [[bureaucrat]] around... | So is the solution to [[revert]] every [[edit]] you don't like and lock the article? Too bad there's no active [[bureaucrat]] around... | ||
:The bureaucrats here know that I work hard defending the site. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 09:51, 30 June 2009 (EDT) | :The bureaucrats here know that I work hard defending the site. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 09:51, 30 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
::I see. And why does the [[RationalWiki]] article need "defending", especially after another [[sysop]] has already agreed to unlock it and remove the cyberbullying section? Or do you define [[vandal]]ism as [[conservapedia]] does - anything that disagrees with you? | ::I see. And why does the [[RationalWiki (en)]] article need "defending", especially after another [[sysop]] has already agreed to unlock it and remove the cyberbullying section? Or do you define [[vandal]]ism as [[conservapedia]] does - anything that disagrees with you? | ||
:::Sadly, PC, you act in the way your "enemies" do when you have "power". Please reflect on this. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 02:00, 9 July 2009 (EDT) | :::Sadly, PC, you act in the way your "enemies" do when you have "power". Please reflect on this. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 02:00, 9 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
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==WikiSynergy== | ==WikiSynergy== | ||
Hi, noticed the [[WikiSynergy]] page. Funny! How did you find us? You seem to know [[RationalWiki]] and have done some research on recent edits (he may or may not have been trolling, and was otherwise a bit useful). [[User talk:Purple Scissor|Purple Scissor]] 03:18, 25 July 2009 (EDT) | Hi, noticed the [[WikiSynergy]] page. Funny! How did you find us? You seem to know [[RationalWiki (en)]] and have done some research on recent edits (he may or may not have been trolling, and was otherwise a bit useful). [[User talk:Purple Scissor|Purple Scissor]] 03:18, 25 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
:Why did you think [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=WikiSynergy&oldid=68093 this?] It is not true, but I am very interested to know why you thought it. I once tried to get a [[username]] on [[Conservapedia]], and I won't go near the place again, though they are welcome to bring their controversies to WikiSynergy. [[User talk:Purple Scissor|Purple Scissor]] 03:32, 25 July 2009 (EDT) | :Why did you think [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=WikiSynergy&oldid=68093 this?] It is not true, but I am very interested to know why you thought it. I once tried to get a [[username]] on [[Conservapedia]], and I won't go near the place again, though they are welcome to bring their controversies to WikiSynergy. [[User talk:Purple Scissor|Purple Scissor]] 03:32, 25 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
::[[A Storehouse of Knowledge]] was started by disatisfied Conservapedians so I thought the same aplied to [[WikiSynergy]], also [[RationalWiki]] had dscovered WikiSynergy and they study Conservapedia diligently so I thought they had found WikiSynergy through their Conservapedia contacts. I changed this the second time I edited the entry. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 11:10, 25 July 2009 (EDT) | ::[[A Storehouse of Knowledge]] was started by disatisfied Conservapedians so I thought the same aplied to [[WikiSynergy]], also [[RationalWiki (en)]] had dscovered WikiSynergy and they study Conservapedia diligently so I thought they had found WikiSynergy through their Conservapedia contacts. I changed this the second time I edited the entry. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 11:10, 25 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::I see. Actually, it is more accurate to say that it was started originally as a reaction to radical skepticism takeover of [[English Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] articles. [[RationalWiki]] came across us at the SCEPCOP forum. Thanks for putting the page up (: [[User talk:Purple Scissor|Purple Scissor]] 16:55, 25 July 2009 (EDT) | :::I see. Actually, it is more accurate to say that it was started originally as a reaction to radical skepticism takeover of [[English Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] articles. [[RationalWiki (en)]] came across us at the SCEPCOP forum. Thanks for putting the page up (: [[User talk:Purple Scissor|Purple Scissor]] 16:55, 25 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
::::Check this out [http://WikiSynergy.com/wiki/WikiSynergy:To-do_list], see what you think we ought to do. [[User talk:Purple Scissor|Purple Scissor]] 02:25, 27 July 2009 (EDT) | ::::Check this out [http://WikiSynergy.com/wiki/WikiSynergy:To-do_list], see what you think we ought to do. [[User talk:Purple Scissor|Purple Scissor]] 02:25, 27 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
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::::Ah, so that's what I've been missing. Such deletion of page history is something I used to do a lot. Until I read '[[RationalWiki:Conservapedia:Burning the Evidence|Burning the Evidence]]' (one [[Archive.org:20071030070633/http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/Conservapedia:Burning the Evidence|archive]]). That made me swing in the opposite direction, towards almost never deleting page history. Perhaps you can help me find a good balance between the two. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 23:44, 20 August 2009 (EDT) | ::::Ah, so that's what I've been missing. Such deletion of page history is something I used to do a lot. Until I read '[[RationalWiki:Conservapedia:Burning the Evidence|Burning the Evidence]]' (one [[Archive.org:20071030070633/http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/Conservapedia:Burning the Evidence|archive]]). That made me swing in the opposite direction, towards almost never deleting page history. Perhaps you can help me find a good balance between the two. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 23:44, 20 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
[[RationalWiki]] is down at the moment so I can't follow the link but I know from memory their opinions on [[Conservapedia]]. RationaiWiki was/is (Despite problems I had I hope this informative wiki returns.) strongly critical of attempts by Conservapedia to censor criticism of Conservatives, of Conservapedia, or of their administrators by deleteing uncomfortable material. Further Rationalwikians like gloating (irresponsibly?) over Conservapedia's probems and mind if the evidence is removed. I don't see a problem about deleting mindless personal abuse in a wiki. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 03:42, 21 August 2009 (EDT) | [[RationalWiki (en)]] is down at the moment so I can't follow the link but I know from memory their opinions on [[Conservapedia]]. RationaiWiki was/is (Despite problems I had I hope this informative wiki returns.) strongly critical of attempts by Conservapedia to censor criticism of Conservatives, of Conservapedia, or of their administrators by deleteing uncomfortable material. Further Rationalwikians like gloating (irresponsibly?) over Conservapedia's probems and mind if the evidence is removed. I don't see a problem about deleting mindless personal abuse in a wiki. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 03:42, 21 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
:The "[[Archive.org]]" link seems to be working now. | :The "[[Archive.org]]" link seems to be working now. | ||
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:Even when that content is '''FLIPPING WRONG?''' [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 15:49, 23 August 2009 (EDT) | :Even when that content is '''FLIPPING WRONG?''' [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 15:49, 23 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
[[Liberapedia]] is a place where [[RationalWiki]] | [[Liberapedia]] is a place where [[RationalWiki (en)|RationalWikians]] can hang out during the crisis, further Liberapedia has articles critical of [[Conservapedia]] and that information should not have been removed. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 15:54, 23 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
:You have a conflict of interest. You are [[spam]]ming your wiki. However, most people are hanging out at Bob's place, not yours. Wonder why? [[Special:Contributions/65.60.53.250|65.60.53.250]] 15:57, 23 August 2009 (EDT) | :You have a conflict of interest. You are [[spam]]ming your wiki. However, most people are hanging out at Bob's place, not yours. Wonder why? [[Special:Contributions/65.60.53.250|65.60.53.250]] 15:57, 23 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
Bob's place is also mentioned as a place where [[RationalWiki]] | Bob's place is also mentioned as a place where [[RationalWiki (en)|RationalWikians]] hang out. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 15:58, 23 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
:Where '''all''' of them hang out. It's the only one where we've been fully welcomed and stayed at. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 15:59, 23 August 2009 (EDT) | :Where '''all''' of them hang out. It's the only one where we've been fully welcomed and stayed at. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 15:59, 23 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
::(ec)As was Liberapedia. [[Special:Contributions/65.60.53.250|65.60.53.250]] 16:00, 23 August 2009 (EDT) | ::(ec)As was Liberapedia. [[Special:Contributions/65.60.53.250|65.60.53.250]] 16:00, 23 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
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==From Nx== | ==From Nx== | ||
<blockquote>Please inform miss Centauri that I have sent Mr. Stanton and Mr. Ernst emails regarding this situation. Also inform her that if I'm not unblocked by tomorrow morning 8:00 CET, [[RationalWiki]] will be down forever for her, and she will be more than welcome to read about [[Conservapedia]] or improve articles at [[Liberapedia]] meanwhile. Nx 20:18, 23 August 2009 (UTC)</blockquote> | <blockquote>Please inform miss Centauri that I have sent Mr. Stanton and Mr. Ernst emails regarding this situation. Also inform her that if I'm not unblocked by tomorrow morning 8:00 CET, [[RationalWiki (en)]] will be down forever for her, and she will be more than welcome to read about [[Conservapedia]] or improve articles at [[Liberapedia]] meanwhile. Nx 20:18, 23 August 2009 (UTC)</blockquote> | ||
[[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 16:25, 23 August 2009 (EDT) | [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 16:25, 23 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
Will [[RationalWiki]] be down for ever for everyone? [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 16:32, 23 August 2009 (EDT) | Will [[RationalWiki (en)]] be down for ever for everyone? [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 16:32, 23 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
See [[Talk:RationalWiki#Why is RationalWiki down?|Why is RationalWiki down?]]. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 04:53, 24 August 2009 (EDT) | See [[Talk:RationalWiki (en)#Why is RationalWiki down?|Why is RationalWiki down?]]. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 04:53, 24 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
:If you had bothered to read my [[edit]]s instead of just mindlessly [[revert]]ing, you'd know. [[Special:Contributions/67.159.45.53|67.159.45.53]] 16:35, 23 August 2009 (EDT) | :If you had bothered to read my [[edit]]s instead of just mindlessly [[revert]]ing, you'd know. [[Special:Contributions/67.159.45.53|67.159.45.53]] 16:35, 23 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
::It's also funny how the current version of the article states how long it will be down, then in the next sentence it says we don't know how long. [[Special:Contributions/67.159.45.53|67.159.45.53]] 16:38, 23 August 2009 (EDT) | ::It's also funny how the current version of the article states how long it will be down, then in the next sentence it says we don't know how long. [[Special:Contributions/67.159.45.53|67.159.45.53]] 16:38, 23 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::And I guess under you policy of removing content being a blockable offense, no-one could remove that. Genius! [[Special:Contributions/67.159.45.53|67.159.45.53]] 16:40, 23 August 2009 (EDT) | :::And I guess under you policy of removing content being a blockable offense, no-one could remove that. Genius! [[Special:Contributions/67.159.45.53|67.159.45.53]] 16:40, 23 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
::::The article also says that [[RationalWiki]] is offline since Aug 20 and Aug 22, neither of which is true. Lol. Congratulations. [[Special:Contributions/67.159.45.53|67.159.45.53]] 16:42, 23 August 2009 (EDT) | ::::The article also says that [[RationalWiki (en)]] is offline since Aug 20 and Aug 22, neither of which is true. Lol. Congratulations. [[Special:Contributions/67.159.45.53|67.159.45.53]] 16:42, 23 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::::PC, do you specialize in 1. being wrong, 2. making lame guesses, and 3. being a totalitarian in your spare time? Your actions at [[RationalWiki]] are TKesque at best. Locking articles to say what you want to say, no matter how wrong they are? Whatever universe or worldview that comes from, I don't think it is "scientific". PS, the RW blog has been updated, we now have a projection of when the site will be live again. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 00:06, 24 August 2009 (EDT) | :::::PC, do you specialize in 1. being wrong, 2. making lame guesses, and 3. being a totalitarian in your spare time? Your actions at [[RationalWiki (en)]] are TKesque at best. Locking articles to say what you want to say, no matter how wrong they are? Whatever universe or worldview that comes from, I don't think it is "scientific". PS, the RW blog has been updated, we now have a projection of when the site will be live again. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 00:06, 24 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
==Please unblock me== | ==Please unblock me== | ||
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Hey, you up for chatting in [[Internet Relay Chat]] (IRC) to help get me up to speed? Best, [[MarkDilley]] | Hey, you up for chatting in [[Internet Relay Chat]] (IRC) to help get me up to speed? Best, [[MarkDilley]] | ||
Several [[user]]s or several [[sockpuppet]]s of the same user first insisted on getting the [[RationalWiki]] article their way if they could, then when I protected that article they started general [[vandal]]ism. I hope I've cleared it all up. As far as I know they're all blocked but the user or users are experts at ban evasion and range blocks may be needed if it restarts. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 06:19, 24 August 2009 (EDT) | Several [[user]]s or several [[sockpuppet]]s of the same user first insisted on getting the [[RationalWiki (en)]] article their way if they could, then when I protected that article they started general [[vandal]]ism. I hope I've cleared it all up. As far as I know they're all blocked but the user or users are experts at ban evasion and range blocks may be needed if it restarts. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 06:19, 24 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
:We tried to improve the article, correct factual errors, improve your terrible writing, but most importantly, remove the blatant advertisement of [[Liberapedia]]. | :We tried to improve the article, correct factual errors, improve your terrible writing, but most importantly, remove the blatant advertisement of [[Liberapedia]]. | ||
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Sorry to butt in, but there's no reason for that article to be protected. Also, the promotion of [[Liberapedia]] and PsyGremlin's blog don't belong in an article like that. [[User:SuperJosh|SuperJosh]] 11:30, 24 August 2009 (EDT) | Sorry to butt in, but there's no reason for that article to be protected. Also, the promotion of [[Liberapedia]] and PsyGremlin's blog don't belong in an article like that. [[User:SuperJosh|SuperJosh]] 11:30, 24 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
I feel there's every reason why [[Special:BlockList|agressive vandalism and trolling]] shouldn't succeed and I feel that's now more important than the [[RationalWiki]] article. If that sort of thing succeeds once there may be more of it. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 12:40, 24 August 2009 (EDT) | I feel there's every reason why [[Special:BlockList|agressive vandalism and trolling]] shouldn't succeed and I feel that's now more important than the [[RationalWiki (en)]] article. If that sort of thing succeeds once there may be more of it. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 12:40, 24 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
:The [[vandal]]ism was to get a senior admin to notice, and the trolling took place only in your mind. You could have at least turned up to the IRC meeting. Phantom Hoover 13:18, 24 August 2009 (EDT) | :The [[vandal]]ism was to get a senior admin to notice, and the trolling took place only in your mind. You could have at least turned up to the IRC meeting. Phantom Hoover 13:18, 24 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
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