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::::: I liked [[edit throttle|edit throttling]] - will see if I can dig up anything on it. (Thanks for pinging me on this [[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] Best, [[MarkDilley]] | ::::: I liked [[edit throttle|edit throttling]] - will see if I can dig up anything on it. (Thanks for pinging me on this [[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] Best, [[MarkDilley]] | ||
I really think that we need to look at appropriate [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] keyword filter extensions. I briefly raised this issue [[User talk:Elassint#Spammers - and new account names|here]]. Personally, I'm not sure that total '[[:Category:OpenEdit|open editing]]' is compatible with our current protection against [[ | I really think that we need to look at appropriate [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] keyword filter extensions. I briefly raised this issue [[User talk:Elassint#Spammers - and new account names|here]]. Personally, I'm not sure that total '[[:Category:OpenEdit|open editing]]' is compatible with our current protection against [[spam]]mers/[[vandal]]s - in our current software config. Yes, we do have active [[sysop]]s who can help out - but I'm sure that after our latest bombardment, and the gallant efforts of [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] - this is likely to lead to grumpy sysops . . . because we seem to be constantly 'fire-fighting', rather than letting the software do the work for us. WikiIndex should ''not'' be used for blatant promotion of religious opinions, sexual disfunction drugs, or financial help products (unless they are clearly referring to an established and fuctional wiki). [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 06:49, 30 September 2012 (PDT) | ||
: On a related note, WikiIndex's system administrators should '''really''' install the [[mw:Extension:CheckUser|CheckUser extension]] and give [[bureaucrat]]s/administrators/a new group access to the [[ | :On a related note, WikiIndex's system administrators should '''really''' install the [[mw:Extension:CheckUser|CheckUser extension]] and give [[bureaucrat]]s/administrators/a new group access to the [[check user]] special page (the privacy policy ''may'' need to be adjusted), because right now, it's all too easy for a [[vandal]] to register multiple accounts from the same [[IP address]] and vandalize. With the check user extension installed & properly configured, administrators (or other privileged users) can get the user's underlying IP and ban it in case of persistent vandalism. | ||
: For this particular vandal, blocking the IP range <code>216.66.0.0/16</code> might help. --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 06:59, 30 September 2012 (PDT) | :For this particular vandal, blocking the IP range <code>216.66.0.0/16</code> might help. --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 06:59, 30 September 2012 (PDT) | ||
:: Thanks for your thoughts Jack. I think I blocked the IP range OK ([[Special:Contributions/216.66.0.0/16|here]] - did I do it correctly?). I'm only a [[sysop]], so I don't think I can access the relevant IP tools to check these types of features. Can you recommend any specific MW extensions we can use to block specific words or phrases - for both [[username]] creation, and body text editing? [[mw:Extension:AbuseFilter|AbuseFilter]], as recommended by [[User talk:Elassint|Elassint]] [[User talk:Elassint#Spammers - and new account names|here]] looks promising, but it appears way to complicated for me :( [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 07:29, 30 September 2012 (PDT) | :: Thanks for your thoughts Jack. I think I blocked the IP range OK ([[Special:Contributions/216.66.0.0/16|here]] - did I do it correctly?). I'm only a [[sysop]], so I don't think I can access the relevant IP tools to check these types of features. Can you recommend any specific MW extensions we can use to block specific words or phrases - for both [[username]] creation, and body text editing? [[mw:Extension:AbuseFilter|AbuseFilter]], as recommended by [[User talk:Elassint|Elassint]] [[User talk:Elassint#Spammers - and new account names|here]] looks promising, but it appears way to complicated for me :( [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 07:29, 30 September 2012 (PDT) | ||
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===The religious vandal RETURNS again!=== | ===The religious vandal RETURNS again!=== | ||
It's back - check the [[Special:Log/newusers]] - look at [ | It's back - check the [[Special:Log/newusers]] - look at [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&user=&page=&year=2012&month=9 21:48, 29 September 2012] - so dispite me blocking an entire IP range as above, they return yet again. Tera has already blocked the latest creations - but this isn't really acceptable. PLEASE, consider urgently installing an appropriate MW extension to automatically prohibit [[username]] creation for specific terms. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 00:23, 1 October 2012 (PDT) | ||
==Just looked at the "spam"== | ==Just looked at the "spam"== | ||
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:::'Spam' or 'vandalism' - pedantic, but whatever name-tag you wish to give it, that last episode was forcibly destructive to WikiIndex. And I don't agree at all that ''"so many pages are being protected"'' - yes, OK, I personally have protected most of the high-importance [[:Category:Templates|templates]] (but most of the lesser templates have no edit protection). But for the namespace articles, with the exception of the WikiIndex front page, you can probably count on one hand the number of namespace articles which are protected. And I also don't see how protecting pages can increase an attack of spam or vandalism! [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 08:56, 1 October 2012 (PDT) | :::'Spam' or 'vandalism' - pedantic, but whatever name-tag you wish to give it, that last episode was forcibly destructive to WikiIndex. And I don't agree at all that ''"so many pages are being protected"'' - yes, OK, I personally have protected most of the high-importance [[:Category:Templates|templates]] (but most of the lesser templates have no edit protection). But for the namespace articles, with the exception of the WikiIndex front page, you can probably count on one hand the number of namespace articles which are protected. And I also don't see how protecting pages can increase an attack of spam or vandalism! [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 08:56, 1 October 2012 (PDT) | ||
We need to have a very clear look at this. If you look correctly at the [ | We need to have a very clear look at this. If you look correctly at the [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&limit=500 RecentChanges] (the 'Recent changes options' days may need to be manually increased in the url to view the full history) - along with the [[Special:Log/newusers]], on 29 September 2012 at 21:48, the prolific religious vandal/spammer created FOUR user accounts within a minute! Surely, that in itself shouldn't be possible with correctly configured MediaWiki software. This user then appeared to lay dormant for four hours - presumably regularly checking the [[Special:RecentChanges]] and [[Special:WhosOnline]], and when I had finished for the evening - at 01:54 (UTC) on 30 September 2012, this evil vandal spammed '''93''' separate pages (some twice), the last one at 06:24 (UTC) - under two different usernames. If you check [[Special:Log/block]], you will see that [[User:TeraS|Tera]] blocked the first of their usernames - User:ABIDEEN0 at 02:18 (UTC), 30 September 2012 - and there was a brief respite in the spamming. Then at 06:07 (UTC), 30 September 2012 - User:ABIDEEN1 continued spamming in the same prolific manner, until they were blocked by Tera at 06:25 (UTC), 30 September 2012. Two further accounts were blocked by Tera: User:ABIDEEN01 (06:57, 30 September 2012) and User:ABIDEEN10 (06:58, 30 September 2012). As a result - a WikiIndex sysop is going to have to manually revert '''93''' separate articles/talk pages, then apply appropriate protection. Is that really how you want the [[sysop]]s here to be working ... reverting 93 edits? Tera deserves a medal for battling with that! Sysops have [[RealLives]], and shouldn't be railroaded into all this firefighting - when the software can be configured to do the job for us automatically! Frustratedly yours! [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 08:56, 1 October 2012 (PDT) | ||
:Can we maybe a bot to do that? Also, I've created a template to view those info. | :Can we maybe a bot to do that? Also, I've created a template to view those info. | ||
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#{{User|ABIDEEN10}} | #{{User|ABIDEEN10}} | ||
:--[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 03:15, 4 May 2013 (PDT) | :--[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 03:15, 4 May 2013 (PDT) | ||
::I've noticed | ::I've noticed User:ABIDEEN0 first attack [[Talk:Welcome]] and then user pages and user talk pages of admins. Why's that? To get notice from them? That's bad for him. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 19:25, 4 May 2013 (PDT) | ||
Maybe we take down the who is online function. Please start a page called [[Upgrades needed]] or something to clearly state what you think needs to happen, in terms of software mods / additions. Once we have a plan we can get it implemented. As far as an OpenWiki - what I think may be happening is that a person is vandalizing the wiki because any pages are being protected. So, do we have a fight with that person, who can create accounts as much as they want, or do we put a wet blanket on them? ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | Maybe we take down the who is online function. Please start a page called [[Upgrades needed]] or something to clearly state what you think needs to happen, in terms of software mods / additions. Once we have a plan we can get it implemented. As far as an OpenWiki - what I think may be happening is that a person is vandalizing the wiki because any pages are being protected. So, do we have a fight with that person, who can create accounts as much as they want, or do we put a wet blanket on them? ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
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==Massive spam user creation== | ==Massive spam user creation== | ||
I blocked a huge number of [[spam]] accounts that were all added within two minutes here. I am wondering if there is a means to stop multiple user creations from the same [[IP address]] which appears to have happened.[[User:TeraS|TeraS]] ([[User talk:TeraS|talk]]) 06:38, 1 March 2013 (PST) | I blocked a huge number of [[spam]] accounts that were all added within two minutes here. I am wondering if there is a means to stop multiple user creations from the same [[IP address]] which appears to have happened.[[User:TeraS|TeraS]] ([[User talk:TeraS|talk]]) 06:38, 1 March 2013 (PST) | ||
: [[mw:Help:Range blocks|Here is some information on range blocks]]. If we can confirm it is the same IP, then we'd have to apply a range block. Unfortunately, we'd need the | : [[mw:Help:Range blocks|Here is some information on range blocks]]. If we can confirm it is the same IP, then we'd have to apply a range block. Unfortunately, we'd need the [[check user]] right, which only those with [[bureaucrat]] rights can grant. [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 07:09, 1 March 2013 (PST)Arcane | ||
:: Spamfilter some in mediawiki, something that helps. Regards.- --[[User:Csuarezllosa|Csuarezllosa]] ([[User talk:Csuarezllosa|talk]]) 08:36, 1 March 2013 (PST) | :: Spamfilter some in mediawiki, something that helps. Regards.- --[[User:Csuarezllosa|Csuarezllosa]] ([[User talk:Csuarezllosa|talk]]) 08:36, 1 March 2013 (PST) | ||
::: Is there a way to put a limit on the number of accounts thst can be created during a certian time period from a certian IP? That might help. -ela <span style="font-size:smaller" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[WikiIndex:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/198.228.228.150|198.228.228.150]] ([[User talk:198.228.228.150|talk]]) 18:25, 1 March 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> | ::: Is there a way to put a limit on the number of accounts thst can be created during a certian time period from a certian IP? That might help. -ela <span style="font-size:smaller" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[WikiIndex:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/198.228.228.150|198.228.228.150]] ([[User talk:198.228.228.150|talk]]) 18:25, 1 March 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> | ||
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: Many thanks for these ideas. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | : Many thanks for these ideas. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
:: On the subject of [[bureaucrat]]s - I'm not sure why [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] is a crat here, as he isn't exactly contributing to WikiIndex in any meaningful manner at all - see [ | :: On the subject of [[bureaucrat]]s - I'm not sure why [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] is a crat here, as he isn't exactly contributing to WikiIndex in any meaningful manner at all - see [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?limit=100&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Emufarmers&namespace=&year=&month=-1 here] (click on 'diff' to see exactly what he has contributed - or the lack of!) ... [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 03:20, 15 April 2013 (PDT) (me neither ~~ [[MarkDilley]]) | ||
::: 18:09, 22 April 2013 MarkDilley (Talk | contribs | block) changed group membership for User:Emufarmers from bureaucrat and administrator to (none) (not sure what happened here, looks like a breach in security - Emufarmers2 gave the bureaucrat status, but how?) | ::: 18:09, 22 April 2013 MarkDilley (Talk | contribs | block) changed group membership for User:Emufarmers from bureaucrat and administrator to (none) (not sure what happened here, looks like a breach in security - Emufarmers2 gave the bureaucrat status, but how?) | ||
::::Seems | ::::Seems User:Emufarmers2 have never been created and never got [[sysop]] permissions. See [[Special:Log/Emufarmers2]] and https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3AEmufarmers2&year=&month=-1 --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 07:17, 5 May 2013 (UTC) | ||
:::::Sorted - | :::::Sorted - User:Emufarmers2 now blocked as a [[sockpuppet]]. Don't understand how it happened though! [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 03:47, 5 May 2013 (PDT) | ||
: Yea, I don't know how that happened, I am assuming there is a security breach, or was - when it was done. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | : Yea, I don't know how that happened, I am assuming there is a security breach, or was - when it was done. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
::[[Ray King]] pays me to take care of tech stuff for the wikis he hosts (including this one). I don't generally follow discussions here unless he asks me to; I only saw this discussion because someone else notified me about it. [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] ([[User talk:Emufarmers|talk]]) 14:25, 7 May 2013 (PDT) | ::[[Ray King]] pays me to take care of tech stuff for the wikis he hosts (including this one). I don't generally follow discussions here unless he asks me to; I only saw this discussion because someone else notified me about it. [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] ([[User talk:Emufarmers|talk]]) 14:25, 7 May 2013 (PDT) | ||
[[User:Arcane|Arcane]] is correct when he states only [[bureaucrat]]s can examine | [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] is correct when he states only [[bureaucrat]]s can examine check user - which is whats needed to examine IP ranges. And it has been mentioned on a few previous occasions that we need more ACTIVE bureaucrats on this wiki - ideally a bureaucrat for each major timezone (so one from US timezones, one from European timezones, and one from Russian/Asian/Australian timezones) - so for example, whilst the US is asleep, an Aussie or European crat can be on guard. We need crats who are here virtually every day - which is why in the past, I've pushed for TeraS being a crat, Wolf used to be our European crat (but seems to be on a sabatical), and I'm not sure if we have any regular users from Russia/Asia/Aus/NZ. | ||
: I am still really fuzzy on what things I can do as a bureaucrat rather than a sysop. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | : I am still really fuzzy on what things I can do as a bureaucrat rather than a sysop. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
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: See [[WikiIndex:Upgrades needed#General housekeeping]] and there's why in [[mw:Extension:Translate]]. :( --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 14:24, 10 May 2013 (UTC) | : See [[WikiIndex:Upgrades needed#General housekeeping]] and there's why in [[mw:Extension:Translate]]. :( --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 14:24, 10 May 2013 (UTC) | ||
We had in the past created a [[:Category:Wiki German|German]] site for WikiIndex, I believe, | We had in the past created a [[:Category:Wiki German|German]] site for WikiIndex, I believe, De.WikiIndex.org [https://web.Archive.org/web/20100125032635/http://De.WikiIndex.org/WikiIndex:Hauptseite] - is that what you are asking for? ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
===an interface like that=== | ===an interface like that=== | ||
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==Change block policy== | ==Change block policy== | ||
There seem to be an unwritten policy about blocking every person that does not edit for hours. I wonder if it's useful/correct for the following reasons: | There seem to be an unwritten policy about blocking every person that does not edit for hours. I wonder if it's useful/correct for the following reasons: | ||
# There is no evidence that the person is a [[ | # There is no evidence that the person is a [[spam]]mer. | ||
# If they are: | # If they are: | ||
## [[Special:AbuseFilter/4|Filter 4]] would disallow/block spammers like {{User|ChristieP}}; | ## [[Special:AbuseFilter/4|Filter 4]] would disallow/block spammers like {{User|ChristieP}}; | ||
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:: Personally I would like the [[:Category:ConfirmEmail|confirm email]] before editing option as it would at least slow them down and stop a lot of them I think as well. As for what I have been doing in the past, I haven't banned the accounts on sight but have waited for a time, which varies I admit, before banning them if their [[username]]s and or emails appear on a google search as being [[spam]] ones. I also run the accounts through FPSpamlist to see if they come up and if they do, I ban them as to me that is enough proof to prove they are spam. However, if the consensus is not to do so, then I will not. However, I will add that we should be prepared to have to keep up with the new filters and as well be prepared to deal with increased spam appearing here. Nothing is perfect, it never can be, but we should be ready. [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] ([[User talk:TeraS|talk]]) 16:02, 30 June 2013 (UTC) | :: Personally I would like the [[:Category:ConfirmEmail|confirm email]] before editing option as it would at least slow them down and stop a lot of them I think as well. As for what I have been doing in the past, I haven't banned the accounts on sight but have waited for a time, which varies I admit, before banning them if their [[username]]s and or emails appear on a google search as being [[spam]] ones. I also run the accounts through FPSpamlist to see if they come up and if they do, I ban them as to me that is enough proof to prove they are spam. However, if the consensus is not to do so, then I will not. However, I will add that we should be prepared to have to keep up with the new filters and as well be prepared to deal with increased spam appearing here. Nothing is perfect, it never can be, but we should be ready. [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] ([[User talk:TeraS|talk]]) 16:02, 30 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
::: If we have to confirm email, [[Sean]] (if still here) would never be able to edit until he gets his email confirmed (which is not possible right now). Also I don't see how LookupUser would work, most of the spammers' should be blank or the same as the default settings. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 00:45, 1 July 2013 (UTC) | ::: If we have to confirm email, [[Sean]] (if still here) would never be able to edit until he gets his email confirmed (which is not possible right now). Also I don't see how LookupUser would work, most of the spammers' should be blank or the same as the default settings. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 00:45, 1 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
I am curious, have we had [[spam]] other than account creation spam since the [[upgrade]]s and [[Abuse Filter]]? [[Tera]], could you add the tools you use before you block an account, I like that idea a lot. [[Jack Phoenix|Jack]] can you say a little more how [[ | I am curious, have we had [[spam]] other than account creation spam since the [[upgrade]]s and [[Abuse Filter]]? [[Tera]], could you add the tools you use before you block an account, I like that idea a lot. [[Jack Phoenix|Jack]] can you say a little more how [[check user]] and [[LookupUser]] work? | ||
:For the first question, there's like Category talk:Gay. Most of them are disallowed and recorded in [[Special:AbuseLog]]. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 00:52, 1 July 2013 (UTC) | :For the first question, there's like Category talk:Gay. Most of them are disallowed and recorded in [[Special:AbuseLog]]. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 00:52, 1 July 2013 (UTC) | ||