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We really need a couple more extensions specific to account creation, namely [[mw:Extension:TitleBlacklist]], [[mw:Extension:Bad Behavior]] and [[mw:Extension:Check Spambots]] - but sadly, Mark seems very reluctant to implement any upgrades (and I'm not really sure why) :-( And we also need [[mw:Extension:Nuke]] to mass-delete these rogue accounts in one click. | We really need a couple more extensions specific to account creation, namely [[mw:Extension:TitleBlacklist]], [[mw:Extension:Bad Behavior]] and [[mw:Extension:Check Spambots]] - but sadly, Mark seems very reluctant to implement any upgrades (and I'm not really sure why) :-( And we also need [[mw:Extension:Nuke]] to mass-delete these rogue accounts in one click. | ||
: these are discussed on [[ | : these are discussed on [[Upgrade]]s page right? ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
: Not very reluctant, very busy and we at [[WikiIndex]] don't have a dedicated developer type person to do it, so to upgrade or do anything under the hood, we have to find that person, anyone out there? hint, hint. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | : Not very reluctant, very busy and we at [[WikiIndex]] don't have a dedicated developer type person to do it, so to upgrade or do anything under the hood, we have to find that person, anyone out there? hint, hint. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
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At the end of the day, if the status quo remains, then all of us sysops are effectively just janitors clearing up the crap on a day-to-day basis. My $0.02 / £0.02 worth. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 14:11, 7 March 2013 (PST) | At the end of the day, if the status quo remains, then all of us sysops are effectively just janitors clearing up the crap on a day-to-day basis. My $0.02 / £0.02 worth. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 14:11, 7 March 2013 (PST) | ||
: obviously we don't want to burn people out (more than has already happened) - so will put thoughts on [[ | : obviously we don't want to burn people out (more than has already happened) - so will put thoughts on [[Upgrade]]s page. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
::E-mailing features not working as intended is obviously a bug and one that should be fixed as soon as possible. While requiring e-mail confirmation (from some or all users) is a good idea and in no way against the spirit of "everyone can edit", it should be noted that spambots and/or their human operators are very much capable of confirming (obviously single-purpose, spam-only) e-mail addresses. It should come to no surprise that most spambots use free e-mail services, such as GMail, Hotmail or Outlook (dot com); therefore requiring users of these services (for example) to confirm their e-mail address would be a rather good idea and one I'd definitely support. Just don't think it's a magical fix to all of our [[spam]] issues because well, it isn't. --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 09:30, 4 May 2013 (PDT) | ::E-mailing features not working as intended is obviously a bug and one that should be fixed as soon as possible. While requiring e-mail confirmation (from some or all users) is a good idea and in no way against the spirit of "everyone can edit", it should be noted that spambots and/or their human operators are very much capable of confirming (obviously single-purpose, spam-only) e-mail addresses. It should come to no surprise that most spambots use free e-mail services, such as GMail, Hotmail or Outlook (dot com); therefore requiring users of these services (for example) to confirm their e-mail address would be a rather good idea and one I'd definitely support. Just don't think it's a magical fix to all of our [[spam]] issues because well, it isn't. --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 09:30, 4 May 2013 (PDT) | ||
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==MediaWiki:Monobook.css and .js== | ==MediaWiki:Monobook.css and .js== | ||
Do you think [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Monobook.js]] necessary? Now, the default skin is Vector, not Monobook. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 17:46, 13 April 2013 (PDT) | Do you think [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Monobook.js]] necessary? Now, the default skin is [[:Category:Vector|Vector]], not [[:Category:Monobook|Monobook]]. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 17:46, 13 April 2013 (PDT) | ||
:Of course. It's not like either of those pages are doing any harm by sitting there. Besides, I use MonoBook. '''[[User talk:Elassint|Elassint]]''' 16 April 2013 | :Of course. It's not like either of those pages are doing any harm by sitting there. Besides, I use MonoBook. '''[[User talk:Elassint|Elassint]]''' 16 April 2013 | ||
::Then I think it is a good idea to move them to pages like [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] since some of us use Vector.--[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 19:45, 16 April 2013 (PDT) | ::Then I think it is a good idea to move them to pages like [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] since some of us use Vector.--[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 19:45, 16 April 2013 (PDT) | ||
:::Naturally those two pages are necessary as there might be a good reason to implement some CSS or JS that is specific to the Monobook skin...but alas, the current content of those two pages should probably be moved to their appropriate Common equivalents. The [[MediaWiki:Monobook.js]] page implements the redirect button for the editing mode (action=edit) and [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] has some button styles and whatnot, some of which may be Monobook-specific. Thoughts? --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 09:30, 4 May 2013 (PDT) | :::Naturally those two pages are necessary as there might be a good reason to implement some CSS or JS that is specific to the Monobook skin...but alas, the current content of those two pages should probably be moved to their appropriate Common equivalents. The [[MediaWiki:Monobook.js]] page implements the redirect button for the editing mode (action=edit) and [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] has some button styles and whatnot, some of which may be Monobook-specific. Thoughts? --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 09:30, 4 May 2013 (PDT) | ||
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Yes I meant an interface like that but only for the complex scripts (Right to Left scripts) not for the Left-to-Right scripts like [[:Category:Wiki German|German]] or [[:Category:Wiki Russian|russian]] etc. It's easily possible... [[User:Brahfous|Brahfous]] ([[User talk:Brahfous|talk]]) 13:20, 15 May 2013 (PDT) | Yes I meant an interface like that but only for the complex scripts (Right to Left scripts) not for the Left-to-Right scripts like [[:Category:Wiki German|German]] or [[:Category:Wiki Russian|russian]] etc. It's easily possible... [[User:Brahfous|Brahfous]] ([[User talk:Brahfous|talk]]) 13:20, 15 May 2013 (PDT) | ||
: Could you set up a section on the [[ | : Could you set up a section on the [[Upgrade]]s page to describe what subdomain you want and how the wiki can be configured for right to left? Best, [[MarkDilley]] | ||
==Logo size== | ==Logo size== | ||
Is there a standard maximum size for a [[:Category:WikiLogo|wiki logo]]? I've just created [[TranzWiki]] but the logo I've uploaded seems much too big: should I upload a smaller version, or is there a way of controlling the size as displayed, like "thumb" on Wikipedia? [[User:Ross Burgess|Ross Burgess]] ([[User talk:Ross Burgess|talk]]) 07:49, 7 June 2013 (PDT) | Is there a standard maximum size for a [[:Category:WikiLogo|wiki logo]]? I've just created [[TranzWiki]] but the logo I've uploaded seems much too big: should I upload a smaller version, or is there a way of controlling the size as displayed, like "thumb" on Wikipedia? [[User:Ross Burgess|Ross Burgess]] ([[User talk:Ross Burgess|talk]]) 07:49, 7 June 2013 (PDT) | ||
:About 100 to 200 px, like | :About 100 to 200 px, like https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=TranzWiki&diff=170327&oldid=170319. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 22:51, 7 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
::Define "standard". :-) [[:Category:Wiki Engine|Wiki engines]] and [[ | ::Define "standard". :-) [[:Category:Wiki Engine|Wiki engines]] and [[:Category:Skins|skins]] are different, but most [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] installations use either the [[:Category:Monobook|Monobook]] or [[:Category:Vector|Vector]] skin (as those are available out-of-the-box) and the standard logo size for those [[:Category:Skins|skins]] is either 135 × 155 px or 150 × 150 px. Other [[:Category:Custom skin|custom skins]] may require different logo dimensions, but due to the complex nature of MediaWiki's skinning system, the majority of MediaWiki users won't even bother thinking of writing their own skin system. --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 13:47, 21 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
==Misleading number of pages== | ==Misleading number of pages== | ||
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: My solution only block new [[user]]s (that is with no edit) from creating new pages in ''User:'' and ''User talk:'' namespaces. I'm not sure whether there there is a smarter solution (some of the spammers don't even edit). --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 10:17, 8 June 2013 (UTC) | : My solution only block new [[user]]s (that is with no edit) from creating new pages in ''User:'' and ''User talk:'' namespaces. I'm not sure whether there there is a smarter solution (some of the spammers don't even edit). --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 10:17, 8 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
:: Can we ask to get that upgrade done? ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | :: Can we ask to get that upgrade done? ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
::: Well, I proposed the install of the [[mw:Extension:NoBogusUserPages|NoBogusUserPages extension]] on the [[WikiIndex:Upgrades needed | ::: Well, I proposed the install of the [[mw:Extension:NoBogusUserPages|NoBogusUserPages extension]] on the [[WikiIndex:Upgrades needed]] page, which should cut the problem down by half according to Jack Phoenix, so we could try that first and see if it helps before doing anything more severe. [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 23:17, 13 June 2013 (PDT)Arcane | ||
: Please add or highlight this on the [[ | : Please add or highlight this on the [[Upgrade]]s page? Best, [[MarkDilley]] | ||
Should be better right now. [[User:Abuse filter]] is automatically blocking accounts. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 12:09, 21 June 2013 (UTC) | Should be better right now. [[User:Abuse filter]] is automatically blocking accounts. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 12:09, 21 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
::Is there any kind of guide to using the filter? [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] ([[User talk:TeraS|talk]]) 13:33, 21 June 2013 (UTC) | ::Is there any kind of guide to using the filter? [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] ([[User talk:TeraS|talk]]) 13:33, 21 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
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:: Personally I would like the [[:Category:ConfirmEmail|confirm email]] before editing option as it would at least slow them down and stop a lot of them I think as well. As for what I have been doing in the past, I haven't banned the accounts on sight but have waited for a time, which varies I admit, before banning them if their [[username]]s and or emails appear on a google search as being [[spam]] ones. I also run the accounts through FPSpamlist to see if they come up and if they do, I ban them as to me that is enough proof to prove they are spam. However, if the consensus is not to do so, then I will not. However, I will add that we should be prepared to have to keep up with the new filters and as well be prepared to deal with increased spam appearing here. Nothing is perfect, it never can be, but we should be ready. [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] ([[User talk:TeraS|talk]]) 16:02, 30 June 2013 (UTC) | :: Personally I would like the [[:Category:ConfirmEmail|confirm email]] before editing option as it would at least slow them down and stop a lot of them I think as well. As for what I have been doing in the past, I haven't banned the accounts on sight but have waited for a time, which varies I admit, before banning them if their [[username]]s and or emails appear on a google search as being [[spam]] ones. I also run the accounts through FPSpamlist to see if they come up and if they do, I ban them as to me that is enough proof to prove they are spam. However, if the consensus is not to do so, then I will not. However, I will add that we should be prepared to have to keep up with the new filters and as well be prepared to deal with increased spam appearing here. Nothing is perfect, it never can be, but we should be ready. [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] ([[User talk:TeraS|talk]]) 16:02, 30 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
::: If we have to confirm email, [[Sean]] (if still here) would never be able to edit until he gets his email confirmed (which is not possible right now). Also I don't see how LookupUser would work, most of the spammers' should be blank or the same as the default settings. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 00:45, 1 July 2013 (UTC) | ::: If we have to confirm email, [[Sean]] (if still here) would never be able to edit until he gets his email confirmed (which is not possible right now). Also I don't see how LookupUser would work, most of the spammers' should be blank or the same as the default settings. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 00:45, 1 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
I am curious, have we had [[spam]] other than account creation spam since the [[ | I am curious, have we had [[spam]] other than account creation spam since the [[upgrade]]s and [[Abuse Filter]]? [[Tera]], could you add the tools you use before you block an account, I like that idea a lot. [[Jack Phoenix|Jack]] can you say a little more how [[CheckUser]] and [[LookupUser]] work? | ||
:For the first question, there's like | :For the first question, there's like Category talk:Gay. Most of them are disallowed and recorded in [[Special:AbuseLog]]. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 00:52, 1 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
==Cannot get account== | ==Cannot get account== | ||