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...For the welcome hello. Have a nice day!! [[User:Clarissa Caldwell|Clarissa Caldwell]] 18:55, 28 August 2008 (EDT) | ...For the welcome hello. Have a nice day!! [[User:Clarissa Caldwell|Clarissa Caldwell]] 18:55, 28 August 2008 (EDT) | ||
== Thanks! == | ==Thanks!== | ||
Thanks for adding [[WikiLens]]. I'm curious how to found it. Of course, since that was in 2006, you may not remember. [[User:Dfrankow|Dfrankow]] 12:17, 21 October 2007 (EDT) | |||
Thanks for adding WikiLens. I'm curious how to found it. Of course, since that was in 2006, you may not remember. [[User:Dfrankow|Dfrankow]] 12:17, 21 October 2007 (EDT) | |||
==Notification on users talk page only== | |||
People's "talk" pages alert them to messages. Their user pages don't. Best wishes! [[User:Robin Patterson|Robin Patterson]] 00:46, 18 Jan 2006 (EST) | People's "talk" pages alert them to messages. Their user pages don't. Best wishes! [[User:Robin Patterson|Robin Patterson]] 00:46, 18 Jan 2006 (EST) | ||
:Thank you for the tip Robin! - Need to write something up about that function. [[WikiIndex:Talk Pages for Wiki People]] - best, mark | |||
==Testing Notification for Message on Talk Page== | |||
== Testing Notification for Message on Talk Page == | |||
Does it work? did you get the notification? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 16:35, 18 Jan 2006 (EST) | Does it work? did you get the notification? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 16:35, 18 Jan 2006 (EST) | ||
When I first signed up for | When I first signed up for [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]], I was TedErnst, but then somehow couldn't get signed in again using that name so became Tedernst and started editing without realizing what was up. Now I'm attached to it. Then, since this is also [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]], I stuck with the strange name. I'll fix it out. Thanks! | ||
And you can welcome Tristan by editing the talk page (not the user page directly), which is considered fine etiquete at mediawikis, as far as I know. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 16:49, 18 Jan 2006 (EST) | And you can welcome Tristan by editing the talk page (not the user page directly), which is considered fine etiquete at mediawikis, as far as I know. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 16:49, 18 Jan 2006 (EST) | ||
:Mark, I'm okay with whatever is going to happen here and don't need it to look any way, so please know that I love you very much and all my suggestions are just that, suggestions. I'm here to help. :-) | |||
:That said, Mediawiki has some really cool features that I think will be useful to use. Notice how [[MarkDilley]] and [[User: MarkDilley]] are two different pages? One is an article and the other is a user. I believe it'll be cleaner to not have any people in the article namespace, the space that you want to be full of wikis. When you make a comment that you'd like signed, you don't have to link to anything, you can just type 4 tildes, and it'll expand out with the datestamp and a link to your user page. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 16:34, 18 Jan 2006 (EST) | |||
: That said, Mediawiki has some really cool features that I think will be useful to use. Notice how [[MarkDilley]] and [[User: MarkDilley]] are two different pages? One is an article and the other is a user. I believe it'll be cleaner to not have any people in the article namespace, the space that you want to be full of wikis. When you make a comment that you'd like signed, you don't have to link to anything, you can just type 4 tildes, and it'll expand out with the datestamp and a link to your user page. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 16:34, 18 Jan 2006 (EST) | |||
* Ted I do not know how to redirect my page [[MarkDilley]] to user:MarkDilley, please do that if you can. I want the simplicity of wiking my name. | * Ted I do not know how to redirect my page [[MarkDilley]] to user:MarkDilley, please do that if you can. I want the simplicity of wiking my name. | ||
: Oh, and I just remembered, media wiki also has a talk page connected with every other page, in every namespace. So if I want to leave a comment for you, I don't leave it on your user page, but on your talk page: [[User talk: MarkDilley]] and you'll get a notification (I'm pretty sure) that you have a new message. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 16:34, 18 Jan 2006 (EST) | : Oh, and I just remembered, media wiki also has a [[talk page]] connected with every other page, in every namespace. So if I want to leave a comment for you, I don't leave it on your user page, but on your talk page: [[User talk: MarkDilley]] and you'll get a notification (I'm pretty sure) that you have a new message. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 16:34, 18 Jan 2006 (EST) | ||
:An admin can do it. First, an admin has to delete the page "User:MarkDilley" because it was nothing but a redirect. Then any registered user can move "MarkDilley" page to "User:MarkDilley". | :An admin can do it. First, an admin has to delete the page "User:MarkDilley" because it was nothing but a redirect. Then any registered user can move "MarkDilley" page to "User:MarkDilley". | ||
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:: On wikipedia it's really important to preserve edit histories because of the GPL licence. We don't have that issue here with the CC license, correct? So a cut and paste move isn't a problem here the way it is there? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] | :: On wikipedia it's really important to preserve edit histories because of the GPL licence. We don't have that issue here with the CC license, correct? So a cut and paste move isn't a problem here the way it is there? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] | ||
:::The purpose of moving pages with the move function is to keep the edit history for attributing the page authors. The licence of WikiIndex also requires to attribute the author properly, so the move function is still important. | :::The purpose of moving pages with the move function is to keep the [[edit history]] for attributing the page authors. The licence of WikiIndex also requires to attribute the author properly, so the move function is still important. | ||
==Link to yourself automatically using tildes== | |||
Just sign your contributions with 4 tildes <nowiki>"~~~~"</nowiki> and you won't need to remember how to link to yourself. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 17:13, 18 Jan 2006 (EST) | Just sign your contributions with 4 tildes <nowiki>"~~~~"</nowiki> and you won't need to remember how to link to yourself. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 17:13, 18 Jan 2006 (EST) | ||
: Yea, I just don't like the time date stamp, so I don't do that. It is not in my wiki nature :-) | :Yea, I just don't like the time date stamp, so I don't do that. It is not in my wiki nature :-) | ||
::If you don't like the time stamp, you can use three tildes instead. | ::If you don't like the time stamp, you can use three tildes instead. | ||
Okay, well, we're going to have to decide the namespace issue. I just noticed that John Stanton has his page in the article space as well. Where can we have that conversation? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 17:22, 18 Jan 2006 (EST) | Okay, well, we're going to have to decide the namespace issue. I just noticed that [[John Stanton]] has his page in the article space as well. Where can we have that conversation? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 17:22, 18 Jan 2006 (EST) | ||
It is cleaner to have the name of [[Wiki People]] have article pages. Thanks for the tild example! [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] | It is cleaner to have the name of [[Wiki People]] have article pages. Thanks for the tild example! [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] | ||
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I don't think I am poo pooing any ideas. [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] | I don't think I am poo pooing any ideas. [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] | ||
== Category | ==Category sorting== | ||
<nowiki>[[Category:Wiki People|TedErnst]]</nowiki> | <nowiki>[[Category:Wiki People|TedErnst]]</nowiki> | ||
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<nowiki>[[Category:Wiki People|Dilley, Mark]]</nowiki> | <nowiki>[[Category:Wiki People|Dilley, Mark]]</nowiki> | ||
==Categories at the top?== | |||
== Categories at the top? == | |||
Why? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] | Why? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] | ||
: It is a standard that ICANN wiki used, that we all liked, and the added bonus is that the categories sort before the template categories, giving the first ones more relevance with a folksonomy. | :It is a standard that ICANN wiki used, that we all liked, and the added bonus is that the categories sort before the template categories, giving the first ones more relevance with a folksonomy. | ||
Okay, Hopefully I won't hate it too much. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] | Okay, Hopefully I won't hate it too much. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] | ||
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::: Why do you want the extra added categories to be listed before the ones in teh box? Shouldn't the ones in the box be the most important? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 00:58, 19 Jan 2006 (EST) | ::: Why do you want the extra added categories to be listed before the ones in teh box? Shouldn't the ones in the box be the most important? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 00:58, 19 Jan 2006 (EST) | ||
The categories at the bottom are already redundant once, some may say twice because of the sidebar links. So adding the Folksonomy Categories in the front helps the richness of the site. I like that they are redundant at the bottom, but I think they are less valuable because they are the highlighted ones in the templete. Also, while this is a [[MediaWiki]], it is not [[Wikipedia]]. Best, [[MarkDilley]] :-) | The categories at the bottom are already redundant once, some may say twice because of the sidebar links. So adding the Folksonomy Categories in the front helps the richness of the site. I like that they are redundant at the bottom, but I think they are less valuable because they are the highlighted ones in the templete. Also, while this is a [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]], it is not [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]]. Best, [[MarkDilley]] :-) | ||
: I don't understand anything of what you're saying here. Redundant once how? Redundant twice how? What's a Folksonomy Category? How do the sidebar links come into play? And does the wikipedia comment come from my other comment? Of course it's not wikipedia. That's why I wonder why we're using wikimedia engine if it's clear that its features are not what you're looking for in building this project. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 01:09, 19 Jan 2006 (EST) | : I don't understand anything of what you're saying here. Redundant once how? Redundant twice how? What's a Folksonomy Category? How do the sidebar links come into play? And does the wikipedia comment come from my other comment? Of course it's not wikipedia. That's why I wonder why we're using wikimedia engine if it's clear that its features are not what you're looking for in building this project. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 01:09, 19 Jan 2006 (EST) | ||
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Look at the categories in the template box, now look at the categories at the bottom of the page, they are the same. A folksonomy is when people come along and say, hey this is a category art wiki, so they add it into the non structured data area of the wiki page. Test for yourself, add the non structured category data at the top, save, see what is looks like, now move it to the bottom and see how it changes to the back. I think those categorys are good to be redundant from the template in the page, but not really necessary to be in the front. | Look at the categories in the template box, now look at the categories at the bottom of the page, they are the same. A folksonomy is when people come along and say, hey this is a category art wiki, so they add it into the non structured data area of the wiki page. Test for yourself, add the non structured category data at the top, save, see what is looks like, now move it to the bottom and see how it changes to the back. I think those categorys are good to be redundant from the template in the page, but not really necessary to be in the front. | ||
== table of contents == | ==table of contents== | ||
Any time there are 3 or more (I think) headings on a page, the TOC pops up just before the first of them. Often there is introductory text before the first heading, so that ends up before the TOC. You can force NOTOC somehow, and you can also force TOCright, where the text will then wrap around. We'll have to figure those out. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 01:01, 19 Jan 2006 (EST) | Any time there are 3 or more (I think) headings on a page, the TOC pops up just before the first of them. Often there is introductory text before the first heading, so that ends up before the TOC. You can force NOTOC somehow, and you can also force TOCright, where the text will then wrap around. We'll have to figure those out. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 01:01, 19 Jan 2006 (EST) | ||
Using <nowiki>__TOC__</nowiki> will insert the table of contents at the current position instead of the default. <nowiki>__NOTOC__</nowiki> will turn it off altogether. There is also a code which will turn off the "[edit] section" links. | Using <nowiki>__TOC__</nowiki> will insert the table of contents at the current position instead of the default. <nowiki>__NOTOC__</nowiki> will turn it off altogether. There is also a code which will turn off the "[edit] section" links. | ||
==category thing== | |||
== category thing == | |||
John thinks it gets lost on the bottom, so he likes to see it there also. So I only say that if you're going to put extra categories in the "body" area, then put both commands in the same place so people can see what's been done and copy that if they like it that way. | John thinks it gets lost on the bottom, so he likes to see it there also. So I only say that if you're going to put extra categories in the "body" area, then put both commands in the same place so people can see what's been done and copy that if they like it that way. | ||
:Ok, I think that is fine, I think as a standard, people will get used to it being next to the category tag at the bottom. [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] | :Ok, I think that is fine, I think as a standard, people will get used to it being next to the category tag at the bottom. [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] | ||
== Work in Progress == | ==Work in Progress== | ||
what exactly is the 'check name' field for? --[[User:Rathbone|Ray]] 23:11, 19 Jan 2006 (EST) | what exactly is the 'check name' field for? --[[User:Rathbone|Ray]] 23:11, 19 Jan 2006 (EST) | ||
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Back in January, we had an explict wiki_name field in the structured data. Sometimes this field did not match the WikiIndex PageName for that wiki. To avoid this kind of redundant data-entry, and ensure these fields were always the same, we changed the structured data. It didn't occur to me until Mark just pointed it out that this new scheme breaks down for wikis with ambiguous page names because we use[[disambiguation]], which means the WikiIndex page name is by-definition not the same as the name of the wiki. We can either ignore this or create a new wiki template for ambiguous pages. Thoughts? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 12:32, 5 June 2006 (EDT) | Back in January, we had an explict wiki_name field in the structured data. Sometimes this field did not match the WikiIndex PageName for that wiki. To avoid this kind of redundant data-entry, and ensure these fields were always the same, we changed the structured data. It didn't occur to me until Mark just pointed it out that this new scheme breaks down for wikis with ambiguous page names because we use[[disambiguation]], which means the WikiIndex page name is by-definition not the same as the name of the wiki. We can either ignore this or create a new wiki template for ambiguous pages. Thoughts? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 12:32, 5 June 2006 (EDT) | ||
The only idea I had for ambiguous pages was to have X number of templates there for each wiki. That doesn't scale very well! Otherwise I was just going to sit on it, until someone comes up with a better idea than yours! ;-) [[MarkDilley]] | :The only idea I had for ambiguous pages was to have X number of templates there for each wiki. That doesn't scale very well! Otherwise I was just going to sit on it, until someone comes up with a better idea than yours! ;-) [[MarkDilley]] | ||
==altorgwiki== | |||
mostly bad porn, but worse it's riddled with spam links and the like. i didn't think it added any value and thougth it might offend some. feel free to put it back in if you think otherwise. | mostly bad porn, but worse it's riddled with spam links and the like. i didn't think it added any value and thougth it might offend some. feel free to put it back in if you think otherwise. | ||
: yea i found it, altorgphpwiki. spam porn links... should we remove others that are porn spam links? | : yea i found it, altorgphpwiki. spam porn links... should we remove others that are porn spam links? | ||
== redirects for alternate names == | ==redirects for alternate names== | ||
Mark, when someone comes here, they don't know if their intended wiki is already here. So they type the name in the box and if they don't have it exactly the same, it'll say "not found, would you like to start it?" For this reason, I believe we should not delete any [[redirect]]s from alternative names, because these increase the liklihood that a person will find the wiki they're looking for and therefore not create a new page for it when one already exists. So save yourself some work and stop deleting redirects! :-) Just an opinion, not a decree. | |||
Mark, | |||
hugs, | hugs, [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] | ||
[[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] | |||
I think that people will type in their wiki name exactly as it is, if it is not there, then they should add it. I am not so sure that alternate names are important. By the way, I added most of these wiki to [[SwitchWiki]] and I think I added the wiki to many of them. So I am comfortable deleting the wrong name. :-) [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] | :I think that people will type in their wiki name exactly as it is, if it is not there, then they should add it. I am not so sure that alternate names are important. By the way, I added most of these wiki to [[SwitchWiki]] and I think I added the wiki to many of them. So I am comfortable deleting the wrong name. :-) [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] | ||
Will they type Meatball or MeatBall or MeatBallWiki or meetballwiki? I just don't see the benefit of deleting a harmless redirect. It's more work for you to delete, and possibly more work later when someone creates an article that alrready exists. This may be just a huge big in mediawiki that won't let you find a page without having the name exactly right, but it causes amazing problems at wikipedia. I've done it myself, created articles that already existed. The redirects left over once all this is fixed each time means the next person to make the same mistake won't make the same mistake! [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] | Will they type Meatball or MeatBall or MeatBallWiki or meetballwiki? I just don't see the benefit of deleting a harmless redirect. It's more work for you to delete, and possibly more work later when someone creates an article that alrready exists. This may be just a huge big in mediawiki that won't let you find a page without having the name exactly right, but it causes amazing problems at wikipedia. I've done it myself, created articles that already existed. The redirects left over once all this is fixed each time means the next person to make the same mistake won't make the same mistake! [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] | ||
The problem I see is that this solution, not eliminating redirects, causes redundancy in the alphabetical listing. [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] | :The problem I see is that this solution, not eliminating redirects, causes redundancy in the alphabetical listing. [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] | ||
Now you've lost me. The redirects shouldn't have any category information and thus shouldn't show up in any lists. That sounds like a bug to me if you are seeing duplicates. Have you asked John about it? Crap. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] | Now you've lost me. The redirects shouldn't have any category information and thus shouldn't show up in any lists. That sounds like a bug to me if you are seeing duplicates. Have you asked John about it? Crap. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] | ||
Nope I haven't ask John yet, you are just now bringing up the issue! ;-) I don't think it is a bug because it is base on article pagename, not categories... but alphabetical stuff... unless it is something that needs to populate the page database and in a few hours won't be a problem. I will check a few later to see. [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] | :Nope I haven't ask John yet, you are just now bringing up the issue! ;-) I don't think it is a bug because it is base on article pagename, not categories... but alphabetical stuff... unless it is something that needs to populate the page database and in a few hours won't be a problem. I will check a few later to see. [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] | ||
Okay, I'll leave it alone. Perhaps I'm wrong with my assertion "People will re-create pages that will then need to be deleted, over and over again." In fact, I must be wrong. Traffic here will not be that high, and will be primarily, if not exclusively wiki people. I'm overthinking and planning for the newbie. So just ignore me. I'm going to bed! :-) [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] | Okay, I'll leave it alone. Perhaps I'm wrong with my assertion "People will re-create pages that will then need to be deleted, over and over again." In fact, I must be wrong. Traffic here will not be that high, and will be primarily, if not exclusively wiki people. I'm overthinking and planning for the newbie. So just ignore me. I'm going to bed! :-) [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] | ||
Also Ted, If people create them in the future, then maybe we should do a redirect. But for the launch of this wiki, I want as few redirects as possible. I have however kept a couple that I think are close, similarly to the Meatball scenario you layed out. It is wiki! :-) Best, [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] | :Also Ted, If people create them in the future, then maybe we should do a redirect. But for the launch of this wiki, I want as few redirects as possible. I have however kept a couple that I think are close, similarly to the Meatball scenario you layed out. It is wiki! :-) Best, [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] | ||
==WikiSym== | ==WikiSym== | ||
I think it would be good to get together at rcc to talk about this project and figure out what we want to say about it at rcc and at [[WikiSym]] | I think it would be good to get together at rcc to talk about this project and figure out what we want to say about it at rcc and at [[WikiSym]] | ||
* re: [http://ws2006.wikisym.org/space/start/2006-01-20/1#WikiSym_2006_Call_for_Participation WikiSym:Call for participation] | * re: [http://ws2006.wikisym.org/space/start/2006-01-20/1#WikiSym_2006_Call_for_Participation WikiSym:Call for participation] | ||
==Wikified Link== | ==Wikified Link== | ||
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* isn't there a system of connecting that we could do fairly easily within wiki... I will check [[MeatballWiki]] [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] | * isn't there a system of connecting that we could do fairly easily within wiki... I will check [[MeatballWiki]] [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] | ||
== edit link in box == | ==edit link in box== | ||
I figured out a different way to do it. [[User talk:TedErnst/articlewithtemplatetest]] uses [[User:TedErnst/templatetest]] as it's template. I'm pretty happy with it now. Does it suck? You threw me for a loop there by commenting in the template. I couldn't figure out how you commented on the page without it showing up in the history, but it was just included from the template. Pretty sneaky! [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 15:39, 21 Jan 2006 (EST) | I figured out a different way to do it. [[User talk:TedErnst/articlewithtemplatetest]] uses [[User:TedErnst/templatetest]] as it's template. I'm pretty happy with it now. Does it suck? You threw me for a loop there by commenting in the template. I couldn't figure out how you commented on the page without it showing up in the history, but it was just included from the template. Pretty sneaky! [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 15:39, 21 Jan 2006 (EST) | ||
: Yes, my intention was to sneakily weird you out! :-) [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] let me go figure out what you are up to. Are you doing this now? Maybe we can hang and skype while we work? [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] | : Yes, my intention was to sneakily weird you out! :-) [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] let me go figure out what you are up to. Are you doing this now? Maybe we can hang and skype while we work? [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] | ||
== a question about the faq == | ==a question about the faq== | ||
[[WikiIndex:FrequentlyAskedQuestions]] - what it the purpose of the questions being links? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 15:55, 21 Jan 2006 (EST) | [[WikiIndex:FrequentlyAskedQuestions]] - what it the purpose of the questions being links? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 15:55, 21 Jan 2006 (EST) | ||
:I see it as a way to build a useful faq. I am imagining someone typing a question in the search box, and hopefully getting a direct hit to their question. [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] | |||
==duplicated== | |||
== duplicated == | |||
Ha, this is funny! [[:Category:FAQ]] - there's a duplicate there! - my bad - not sure how to fix it - it's your question mark bug | Ha, this is funny! [[:Category:FAQ]] - there's a duplicate there! - my bad - not sure how to fix it - it's your question mark bug | ||
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==Special:Emailuser== | ==Special:Emailuser== | ||
Hi Mark. [[Special:Emailuser]] is missing from this wiki. You might find it useful to enable it since this is the sort of wiki a lot of people might edit and then not check back for messages for a long time, so emailing them could be the only way of contacting them. | Hi Mark. [[Special:Emailuser]] is missing from this wiki. You might find it useful to enable it since this is the sort of wiki a lot of people might edit and then not check back for messages for a long time, so emailing them could be the only way of contacting them. | ||
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Mark, I think this functionality is only available in MediaWiki version 1.5.x this wiki is still at version 1.4.5. I have not yet upgraded to version 1.5.x because there are issues with servers that run multi wikis (we have about 40 wikis that run on the same server) the issues may just be my own lack of knowledge but I have not yet been able to install a version 1.5.x MediaWiki and have it play well with the other wikis :-). When I can set aside enough time to really explore and solve the issues I'll start the conversion process for all 40 wikis. | Mark, I think this functionality is only available in MediaWiki version 1.5.x this wiki is still at version 1.4.5. I have not yet upgraded to version 1.5.x because there are issues with servers that run multi wikis (we have about 40 wikis that run on the same server) the issues may just be my own lack of knowledge but I have not yet been able to install a version 1.5.x MediaWiki and have it play well with the other wikis :-). When I can set aside enough time to really explore and solve the issues I'll start the conversion process for all 40 wikis. | ||
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==Meta:Editing== | ==Meta:Editing== | ||
* MediaWiki editing info: | * MediaWiki editing info: https://Meta.Wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing | ||
==about tags== | ==about tags== | ||
I totally get what you're saying about the heading that ends the document (folks/tags/categories). This is different from what John implimented in the template to copy for a new wiki. I improved (I thought) his idea by making the template. He had it set up to show up on the page, and thus be redundant, like you've said. I recall asking about this and got an answer I thought made sense, so I improved his idea by cutting down on syntax. Now I totally get what you're saying AND I think we definitely need to document your idea and make sure John and Ray are on board because your idea hasn't been done before, as far as I know. If this conversation has already happened, please point me that way? Thanks! [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 21:26, 22 Jan 2006 (EST) | I totally get what you're saying about the heading that ends the document (folks/tags/categories). This is different from what John implimented in the template to copy for a new wiki. I improved (I thought) his idea by making the template. He had it set up to show up on the page, and thus be redundant, like you've said. I recall asking about this and got an answer I thought made sense, so I improved his idea by cutting down on syntax. Now I totally get what you're saying AND I think we definitely need to document your idea and make sure John and Ray are on board because your idea hasn't been done before, as far as I know. If this conversation has already happened, please point me that way? Thanks! [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 21:26, 22 Jan 2006 (EST) | ||
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Sure, I can be part of the agreement. I left myself out because your idea excites me and rubs me the wrong way, probably just because it's unfamiliar to me. And since you and John both made steps on this topic in the last few days, I thought maybe it was better for me to let the two of you work out the solution. | Sure, I can be part of the agreement. I left myself out because your idea excites me and rubs me the wrong way, probably just because it's unfamiliar to me. And since you and John both made steps on this topic in the last few days, I thought maybe it was better for me to let the two of you work out the solution. | ||
One potential problem to consider, at least on talk | One potential problem to consider, at least on [[talk page]]s, is the mediawiki feature of the plus sign at the top of the page. This allows someone to add a comment in a new section at the bottom of the page automatically without having to edit the whole page. This new section will be below your footer, unless you get John to hard-code the footer. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 12:00, 23 Jan 2006 (EST) | ||
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Bravo! I think the tag template is a brilliant way to allow people to add a new category to an article easily and have it display on both the article and the category area on the bottom. Mark pointed out to me last night that it might be even better for the template not to automatically bullet the text because that way we could also embed the tag into a paragraph. That makes sense to me because then we could use it that way, or bullet it if we wanted to with an asterisk as usual. I think this also solves the problem of having to make a large heading (folksonomy, tagging, caregories) and have it appear near the bottom of the page. --[[User:Rathbone|Ray]] 12:12, 23 Jan 2006 (EST) | Bravo! I think the tag template is a brilliant way to allow people to add a new category to an article easily and have it display on both the article and the category area on the bottom. Mark pointed out to me last night that it might be even better for the template not to automatically bullet the text because that way we could also embed the tag into a paragraph. That makes sense to me because then we could use it that way, or bullet it if we wanted to with an asterisk as usual. I think this also solves the problem of having to make a large heading (folksonomy, tagging, caregories) and have it appear near the bottom of the page. --[[User:Rathbone|Ray]] 12:12, 23 Jan 2006 (EST) | ||
: Ray, when I first made the tag template, it did not have a bullet. John then changed it to include the bullet because he said it was messing up the formatting otherwise. Perhaps we need two templates? tagb and tag, one having the bullet and the other not? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 12:17, 23 Jan 2006 (EST) Yes, good solution --[[User:Rathbone|Ray]] 15:35, 23 Jan 2006 (EST) | : Ray, when I first made the tag template, it did not have a bullet. John then changed it to include the bullet because he said it was messing up the formatting otherwise. Perhaps we need two templates? tagb and tag, one having the bullet and the other not? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 12:17, 23 Jan 2006 (EST) | ||
::Yes, good solution --[[User:Rathbone|Ray]] 15:35, 23 Jan 2006 (EST) | |||
Also, I'm not quite getting what Mark wants from the folks/tag/cat footer. There's already a footer with the categories right below this, labeled "categories." Could that text just be chagned to include folks and tag and be bold? Would that make everyone happy? Then we could use either categories or the tag template (without the bullet) in the body and everything would show up neat and clean? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 12:17, 23 Jan 2006 (EST) | Also, I'm not quite getting what Mark wants from the folks/tag/cat footer. There's already a footer with the categories right below this, labeled "categories." Could that text just be chagned to include folks and tag and be bold? Would that make everyone happy? Then we could use either categories or the tag template (without the bullet) in the body and everything would show up neat and clean? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 12:17, 23 Jan 2006 (EST) | ||
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: I think we're close to being on the same page, when Mark put in the "folks/tag/cat" heading we didn't have the benefit of the tag you created. So as far as i'm concerned, if we have the tag and tagb commands, we don't even need any extra headers/footers. --[[User:Rathbone|Ray]] 15:35, 23 Jan 2006 (EST) | : I think we're close to being on the same page, when Mark put in the "folks/tag/cat" heading we didn't have the benefit of the tag you created. So as far as i'm concerned, if we have the tag and tagb commands, we don't even need any extra headers/footers. --[[User:Rathbone|Ray]] 15:35, 23 Jan 2006 (EST) | ||
==nvc communication== | |||
== nvc communication == | |||
[[Yes, and]] instead of [[No, but]] or [[Yes, but]] to help communicate ideas of growing and buidling collectively and collaboratevely | [[Yes, and]] instead of [[No, but]] or [[Yes, but]] to help communicate ideas of growing and buidling collectively and collaboratevely | ||
== Back channel communication rather than wiki for real time == | ==Back channel communication rather than wiki for real time== | ||
* I am going to be on irc.freenode.net #wikiindex | * I am going to be on irc.freenode.net #wikiindex | ||
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** and I will get on IRC as much as possible | ** and I will get on IRC as much as possible | ||
== my new signature == | ==my new signature== | ||
I figured out a way to have my signature not point to my user page '''and''' to have it point directly to my talk page. If there's interest, I'll document this. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 13:54, 24 Jan 2006 (EST) | I figured out a way to have my signature not point to my user page '''and''' to have it point directly to my talk page. If there's interest, I'll document this. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 13:54, 24 Jan 2006 (EST) | ||
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Test it out to see if it's clear? [[New page for yourself#Step 5 - Create your signature]]. I also put in a new step 4 for creating redirects. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 15:37, 24 Jan 2006 (EST) | Test it out to see if it's clear? [[New page for yourself#Step 5 - Create your signature]]. I also put in a new step 4 for creating redirects. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 15:37, 24 Jan 2006 (EST) | ||
test, [[User:MarkDilley|[[MarkDilley]] | <small>[[User talk:MarkDilley|talk]]</small>]] --- ??? what am I doing wrong? MarkDilley | test, [[User:MarkDilley|[[MarkDilley]] | <small>[[User talk:MarkDilley|talk]]</small>]] --- ??? what am I doing wrong? MarkDilley | ||
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: Yup, that's it! Excellent! | : Yup, that's it! Excellent! | ||
Except the talk isn't working, frump! :-) | Except the talk isn't working, frump! :-) | ||
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Glad you like it! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:16, 25 Jan 2006 (EST) | Glad you like it! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:16, 25 Jan 2006 (EST) | ||
== TagCloud == | ==TagCloud== | ||
This would be a good page to have for people. http://www.tagcloud.com/ pulling off of the rss feed. nice. | This would be a good page to have for people. http://www.tagcloud.com/ pulling off of the rss feed. nice. | ||
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:'''Folksomonmy/Tags/Categories''' discussion - redundancy is still an issue, but not for thougth now. | :'''Folksomonmy/Tags/Categories''' discussion - redundancy is still an issue, but not for thougth now. | ||
== Shortcuts == | ==Shortcuts== | ||
In the search box, type these in to get to a frequently used page quickly. | In the search box, type these in to get to a frequently used page quickly. | ||
*[[File]] - upload a file | |||
*[[Help]] - help files/page | |||
*[[Add]] - how to add a wiki, the template for it | |||
==Recursive Nature of Wiki== | |||
== Recursive Nature of Wiki == | |||
[[MarkDilley]] is trying to figure out how this recursive nature of wiki will be best utilized. So far this [[CategoryWiki]] along with [[PhpWiki]] are examples of an idea I am trying to groke. | [[MarkDilley]] is trying to figure out how this recursive nature of wiki will be best utilized. So far this [[CategoryWiki]] along with [[PhpWiki]] are examples of an idea I am trying to groke. | ||
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Actually I do mind that you move it, because it is what I mean. ;-) The idea is that I want the MediaWiki wiki to be at the top of Category MediaWiki, so that all the other media wikis are below it. does that make sense? [[John Stanton]] knows what I am trying to get at, and he is thinking of it from a programmers percpective. John, can you add anything? | Actually I do mind that you move it, because it is what I mean. ;-) The idea is that I want the MediaWiki wiki to be at the top of Category MediaWiki, so that all the other media wikis are below it. does that make sense? [[John Stanton]] knows what I am trying to get at, and he is thinking of it from a programmers percpective. John, can you add anything? | ||
: Sure, I won't move it. I don't understand why the pagename and namespace are so important to you. No worries. Here's a wikipedia category for Chicago Transit Authority. There's also an article for Chicago Transit Authority, linked right from the top. | : Sure, I won't move it. I don't understand why the pagename and namespace are so important to you. No worries. Here's a wikipedia category for Chicago Transit Authority. There's also an article for Chicago Transit Authority, linked right from the top. https://En.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Chicago_Transit_Authority Is this at all related to what you're talking about? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 13:42, 21 Jan 2006 (EST) | ||
We might need to talk about it, or me show you an example. What I want is [[Wikicities]] to be a page name '''and''' a category, because it is both. The wiki '''Wikicities''' at the top and a category list at the bottom of all the wikis using that engine. [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] | We might need to talk about it, or me show you an example. What I want is [[Wikicities]] to be a page name '''and''' a category, because it is both. The wiki '''Wikicities''' at the top and a category list at the bottom of all the wikis using that engine. [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] | ||
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For future reference, here are links to [[Template:Wiki Engine]] and [[Template:Wiki Engine boilerplate]]. Just didn't want them to get lost, in case we decide to go back to them. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 02:59, 11 Mar 2006 (EST) | For future reference, here are links to [[Template:Wiki Engine]] and [[Template:Wiki Engine boilerplate]]. Just didn't want them to get lost, in case we decide to go back to them. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 02:59, 11 Mar 2006 (EST) | ||
== nested boxes == | ==nested boxes== | ||
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ScreenSize matters though... need to keep that in mind when designing web pages. | ScreenSize matters though... need to keep that in mind when designing web pages. | ||
==greetings== | ==greetings== | ||
'''Thanks everybody for all the efforts on [[WikiIndex]]!!!''' | '''Thanks everybody for all the efforts on [[WikiIndex]]!!!''' | ||
*Would like to concentrate getting as many [[Wikis To Add|new wikis]] into the system and to completing the [[WorkInProgress|second pass]] through the list to add Logos and correct data entry errors. We have a very limited time between now and [[RecentChangesCamp]] and we want to look as good as possible when we show it to folks. Any help with this process is greatly appreciated! | |||
* Would like to concentrate getting as many [[Wikis To Add|new wikis]] into the system and to completing the [[WorkInProgress|second pass]] through the list to add Logos and correct data entry errors. We have a very limited time between now and [[RecentChangesCamp]] and we want to look as good as possible when we show it to folks. Any help with this process is greatly appreciated! | |||
==immediate active collaboration== | ==immediate active collaboration== | ||
* [[WorkInProgress]]. We're going through every wiki to add logos, descriptions and correct category tag errors. Please claim a letter. | *[[WorkInProgress]]. We're going through every wiki to add logos, descriptions and correct category tag errors. Please claim a letter. | ||
* [[Wikis To Add]] | *[[Wikis To Add]] | ||
* [[WikiIndexFaq]] - Decisions have been made to try and get us the basics till launch that are not yet writen down. If you have a question, please use it and help documentation this process. | *[[WikiIndexFaq]] - Decisions have been made to try and get us the basics till launch that are not yet writen down. If you have a question, please use it and help documentation this process. | ||
* [[StartUp Issues]] | *[[StartUp Issues]] | ||
* [[Add a Wiki]] | *[[Add a Wiki]] | ||
==ongoing collaboration== | ==ongoing collaboration== | ||
* [[:Category:FirstAdditional]] | *[[:Category:FirstAdditional]] | ||
* [[:Category:SecondAdditional]] | *[[:Category:SecondAdditional]] | ||
* [[:Category:YourWikiEngine]] | *[[:Category:YourWikiEngine]] | ||
* [[:Category:YourWikiTopic]] | *[[:Category:YourWikiTopic]] | ||
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