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''I think there is a very big difference between
''I think there is a very big difference between
# (a) a wiki where any random person can "register" with a user name and within minutes, without any human approval, immediately start to edit -- that's what LoginToEdit means, right ? -- vs.
# (a) a [[WhatIsWiki|wiki]] where any random person can "register" with a [[user name]] and within minutes, without any human approval, immediately start to [[edit]] -- that's what [[:Category:LoginToEdit|LoginToEdit]] means, right ? -- vs.
# (b) a wiki where any random person can "register" with a user name, and after some human approves it (perhaps within a day or so), can start to edit, -- vs.
# (b) a [[wiki]] where any random person can "register" with a user name, and after some human approves it (perhaps within a day or so), can start to edit, -- vs.
# (c) a wiki where only the Sysop and perhaps a few people the Sysop has selected ahead of time can edit, one that does not give any email address or other way for outsiders to register.
# (c) a wiki where only the [[Sysop]] and perhaps a few people the Sysop has selected ahead of time can edit, one that does not give any email address or other way for outsiders to register.
''The word "invitation" in "ByInvitation" implies (c). Type (c) and ReadOnly wiki are effectively the same, to outsiders like me.''
''The word "invitation" in "ByInvitation" implies (c). Type (c) and [[:Category:ReadOnly|ReadOnly]] wiki are effectively the same, to outsiders like me.''
''What do I use to tag type (b) wiki?''
''What do I use to tag type (b) wiki?''
''I would like a better name for type (b) wiki. RegisterToEdit, HumanApprovedApplicationToEdit, ... surely there's a better name? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 22:55, 8 December 2006 (EST)''
''I would like a better name for type (b) wiki. RegisterToEdit, HumanApprovedApplicationToEdit, ... surely there's a better name? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 22:55, 8 December 2006 (EST)''


: no, when for example the database is locked at a [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] wiki, I don't think sysops can edit it. (I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong) so when it's ReadOnly, no one can edit it (I think), but ByInvitation it's editable by eveyone, who been invited. (gee I'm not good at explaining stuff.) &ndash; [[Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:Smiddle|T]]&middot;[[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]]&middot;[[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 04:53, 9 December 2006 (EST)
: no, when for example the database is locked at a [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] wiki, I don't think sysops can edit it. (I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong) so when it's ReadOnly, no one can edit it (I think), but [[:Category:ByInvitation|ByInvitation]] it's editable by eveyone, who been invited. (gee I'm not good at explaining stuff.) &ndash; [[Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:Smiddle|T]]&middot;[[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]]&middot;[[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 04:53, 9 December 2006 (EST)


:: We discussed all of this a long time ago, and if we didn't document well our thinking at the time, I suppose we're left with David's questions. :-)  Let me see if I can describe how I see things.  At first, we had many different categories the we eventually collapsed down to ByInvitation.  Definitely (a) above means LoginToEdit.  I'm almost certain that type (c) would be ReadOnly for us, because there's no way to know who's allowed to edit when you come upon a wiki like this.  All you can see is that there's no way to edit, no way to login and no way to register or apply for a login.  So that's how we've been using ReadOnly.  Smiddle's "lockdown" scenario isn't specifically addressed, but that would be ReadOnly as well.  We're currently using ByInvitation to mean any wiki where you have to register by some publically available means, and a human has to approve you.  If that needs some other name, feel free to propose one.  That would be fine with me, if ByInvitation isn't cutting it.  We discussed it for a long time, but I see no reason to change if there's a term that's more clear. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:51, 9 December 2006 (EST)
:: We discussed all of this a long time ago, and if we didn't document well our thinking at the time, I suppose we're left with David's questions. :-)  Let me see if I can describe how I see things.  At first, we had many different [[Special:Categories|categories]] then we eventually collapsed down to [[:Category:ByInvitation|ByInvitation]].  Definitely (a) above means [[:Category:LoginToEdit|LoginToEdit]].  I'm almost certain that type (c) would be [[:Category:ReadOnly|ReadOnly]] for us, because there's no way to know who's allowed to edit when you come upon a wiki like this.  All you can see is that there's no way to edit, no way to login and no way to register or apply for a login.  So that's how we've been using ReadOnly.  Smiddle's "lockdown" scenario isn't specifically addressed, but that would be ReadOnly as well.  We're currently using ByInvitation to mean any wiki where you have to register by some publically available means, and a human has to approve you.  If that needs some other name, feel free to propose one.  That would be fine with me, if ByInvitation isn't cutting it.  We discussed it for a long time, but I see no reason to change if there's a term that's more clear. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:51, 9 December 2006 (EST)


::: I think it is wrong for us to tell people "you're not welcome at that wiki", when those people actually are welcome at that wiki. So I want to change "ByInvitation" to some other term.
::: I think it is wrong for us to tell people "you're not welcome at that wiki", when those people actually are welcome at that wiki. So I want to change "ByInvitation" to some other term.
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: I would suggest, these wikis could be moved from [[:Category:LoginToEdit|LoginToEdit]] to [[:Category:PayToEdit|PayToEdit]], maybe with some words on this odd idea "pay-to-edit". Regards --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 15:08, 20 January 2008 (EST)
: I would suggest, these wikis could be moved from [[:Category:LoginToEdit|LoginToEdit]] to [[:Category:PayToEdit|PayToEdit]], maybe with some words on this odd idea "pay-to-edit". Regards --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 15:08, 20 January 2008 (EST)


I expect to find useful things here - not advertisers and spammers. By listing things like "[[OneBuckWiki]]" we only promote advertisment bullshit and help them making money! This doesn't help the users to find useful wikis. Instead we should for example have a useful structure (e.g. categorisation) that helps finding things here...--[[User:Speckmade|Speckmade]] 03:18, 12 February 2008 (EST)
I expect to find useful things here - not advertisers and [[spam]]mers. By listing things like "[[OneBuckWiki]]" we only promote advertisment bullshit and help them making money! This doesn't help the users to find useful wikis. Instead we should for example have a useful structure (e.g. categorisation) that helps finding things here...--[[User:Speckmade|Speckmade]] 03:18, 12 February 2008 (EST)


: ''Hi, I think that a [[:Category:PayToEdit|PayToEdit]] category would be a useful tool to express what we think is valuable about [[wiki]].  I do agree with Speckmade that we should figure out how to barnraise some category work around here, (feeling guilty).  I would like to get folks together for an hour or two to trim down the [[WikiProject:Wikis to Add|Wikis to Add]] - anyone interested? Best, [[MarkDilley]]
: ''Hi, I think that a [[:Category:PayToEdit|PayToEdit]] category would be a useful tool to express what we think is valuable about [[wiki]].  I do agree with Speckmade that we should figure out how to barnraise some category work around here, (feeling guilty).  I would like to get folks together for an hour or two to trim down the [[WikiProject:Wikis to Add|Wikis to Add]] - anyone interested? Best, [[MarkDilley]]
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==When it differs by namespace==
==When it differs by namespace==
[http://PinEight.com/mw/ Pin Eight] has open editing of talk namespaces, but editing non-talk namespaces requires registration and [http://PinEight.com/mw/index.php?title=Pin_Eight:Users either e-mail confirmation or having two talk page edits and four days on your account]. How would that edit mode be classified? --[[Special:Contributions/98.226.71.46|98.226.71.46]] 16:18, 31 July 2012 (PDT)
[http://PinEight.com/mw/ Pin Eight] has open editing of talk namespaces, but editing non-talk namespaces requires registration and [http://PinEight.com/mw/index.php?title=Pin_Eight:Users either e-mail confirmation or having two talk page edits and four days on your account]. How would that edit mode be classified? --[[Special:Contributions/98.226.71.46|98.226.71.46]] 16:18, 31 July 2012 (PDT)
:'Talk' pages are often classed as a sub-page of their parent page in the article namespace, and are often left as open edit even if the article namespace page has been locked.  Had a quick look at [[Pin Eight]], I would class it as <s>[[:Category:LoginToEdit|LoginToEdit]]</s> [[:Category:ConfirmEmail|ConfirmEmail]].  Rgds  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 06:45, 21 September 2012 (PDT)
:'Talk' pages are often classed as a [[sub-page]] of their parent page in the article namespace, and are often left as open edit even if the article namespace page has been locked.  Had a quick look at [[Pin Eight]], I would class it as <s>[[:Category:LoginToEdit|LoginToEdit]]</s> [[:Category:ConfirmEmail|ConfirmEmail]].  Rgds  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 06:45, 21 September 2012 (PDT)


==ConfirmEmail for Wikia wikis==
==ConfirmEmail for Wikia wikis==

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