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Fix red links, fix double redirects, additional wikilinks, https URLs, interwiki links and templates
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==Hello==
==Hello==
Welcome to [[WikiIndex]], and thanks for your recent edits.  I am trying to understand the reason for [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Property:WikiNode_URL&diff=165097&oldid=140940 this edit].  Was your discovery of this bug as a result of trying to create a new article using the [[Form:Wiki]]?  Best regards, --[[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 06:39, 30 March 2013 (PDT)
Welcome to [[WikiIndex]], and thanks for your recent edits.  I am trying to understand the reason for [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Property:WikiNode_URL&diff=165097&oldid=140940 this edit].  Was your discovery of this bug as a result of trying to create a new article using the [[Form:Wiki]]?  Best regards, --[[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 06:39, 30 March 2013 (PDT)
:In [[Form:Wiki]] source it says that we can type no to tell the [[Template:Wiki]] that there aren't any node in the wiki. But every time I used the form, it didn't accept no. I thought the type string would accept it, so I made the edit. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 18:10, 30 March 2013 (PDT)
:In [[Form:Wiki]] source it says that we can type no to tell the [[Template:Wiki]] that there aren't any node in the wiki. But every time I used the form, it didn't accept no. I thought the type string would accept it, so I made the edit. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 18:10, 30 March 2013 (PDT)


==Spam fighting / user name space==
==Spam fighting / user name space==
Hi - thanks for flagging up all them spam edits.  If you see another flood like this, and don't see any sysops deleting it, message any of us which are online to deal with it.
Hi - thanks for flagging up all them [[spam]] edits.  If you see another flood like this, and don't see any sysops deleting it, message any of us which are online to deal with it.


And would you like to add something about yourself in your own name space - such as languages you speak or your timezone?  Best regards, and thanks again :)  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 08:14, 12 April 2013 (PDT)
And would you like to add something about yourself in your own name space - such as languages you speak or your timezone?  Best regards, and thanks again :)  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 08:14, 12 April 2013 (PDT)
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==Redirects==
==Redirects==
Hi again.  Can you please refrain from creating hard redirects to non-WikiIndex articles?  That means no redirects to other sites such as Wikimedia, Uncyclomedia or Wikia wikis, etc.  Redirects should only be used for existing articles or categories here on WikiIndex.  If there is a real need to link to offsite wikis, we specifically use the [[InterWiki]] table.  Best regards, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 04:30, 14 April 2013 (PDT)
Hi again.  Can you please refrain from creating hard [[redirect]]s to non-WikiIndex articles?  That means no redirects to other sites such as [[:Category:Wikimedia Foundation|Wikimedia]], [[Uncyclomedia]] or [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]] wikis, etc.  Redirects should only be used for existing articles or categories here on WikiIndex.  If there is a real need to link to offsite wikis, we specifically use the [[interwiki]] table.  Best regards, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 04:30, 14 April 2013 (PDT)
:OK, I'll find where they are requested by, and fix them. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 04:53, 14 April 2013 (PDT)
:OK, I'll find where they are requested by, and fix them. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 04:53, 14 April 2013 (PDT)
::[http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Template%3AUncyclopedia&diff=166205&oldid=163651 Fixed].  --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 04:57, 14 April 2013 (PDT)
::[https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Template%3AUncyclopedia&diff=166205&oldid=163651 Fixed].  --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 04:57, 14 April 2013 (PDT)


==Logos==
==Logos==
Hi - great work with your logo hunting.  Can I please ask that you don't change an internal [[wikilink]] to an external url hotlink if the logos are identical - as you did with [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Category:Wikipedia&diff=prev&oldid=167529 this edit] [[:Category:Wikipedia|here]].  Also, feel free to [[Special:Upload|upload]] any new or updated logos if you are able to (I often hotlink when there is no existing logo because I'm too lazy sometimmes to upload! - but we really ought to upload every logo).
Hi - great work with your [[:Category:WikiLogo|logo]] hunting.  Can I please ask that you don't change an internal [[wikilink]] to an external url hotlink if the logos are identical - as you did with [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Category:Wikipedia&diff=prev&oldid=167529 this edit] [[:Category:Wikipedia|here]].  Also, feel free to [[Special:Upload|upload]] any new or updated logos if you are able to (I often hotlink when there is no existing logo because I'm too lazy sometimmes to upload! - but we really ought to upload every logo).


I'm also impressed with your overall knowledge of MediaWiki ... what other wikis are you involved with?  Best regards, and keep up your great work :-)))  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 10:43, 24 April 2013 (PDT)
I'm also impressed with your overall knowledge of [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] ... what other wikis are you involved with?  Best regards, and keep up your great work :-)))  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 10:43, 24 April 2013 (PDT)
:First, the logos aren't identical ([[:File:Wikipedia.png]] is dimmer and the Chinese character is 祖 not 维). See [[wp:History of Wikipedia#Evolution of logo]]. Second, I'm also involved in [[LifeWiki]] (active about a month ago), [[Powder Toy Wiki]] (maybe no edit), [[WikiApiary]] (joined recently), [[MediaWiki.org]] (some edits) and some other [[Wikimedia Foundation]] wikis including [[Wikipedia]] (few edits). Also, I'm sometimes not able to upload because I'm using an iPad. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 03:03, 25 April 2013 (PDT)
:First, the logos aren't identical ([[:File:Wikipedia.png]] is dimmer and the [[:Category:Chinese|Chinese]] character is 祖 not 维). See {{W|History of Wikipedia#Evolution of logo}}. Second, I'm also involved in [[LifeWiki]] (active about a month ago), [[Powder Toy Wiki]] (maybe no edit), [[WikiApiary]] (joined recently), [[MediaWiki.org]] (some edits) and some other [[:Category:Wikimedia Foundation|Wikimedia Foundation]] wikis including [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] (few edits). Also, I'm sometimes not able to upload because I'm using an iPad. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 03:03, 25 April 2013 (PDT)
::Thanks for the link on the evolution of the Wikipedia logo.  I now understand why you've been changing them.  Maybe we can still keep the old logo by floating a thumbnail on the left side of the article - as per [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Template:Wikipedia&diff=168304&oldid=165367 this template edit].  Best [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 13:02, 1 May 2013 (PDT)
::Thanks for the link on the evolution of the [[:Category:Wikimedia Foundation logo|Wikipedia logo]].  I now understand why you've been changing them.  Maybe we can still keep the old logo by floating a thumbnail on the left side of the article - as per [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Template:Wikipedia&diff=168304&oldid=165367 this template edit].  Best [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 13:02, 1 May 2013 (PDT)


==Appreciate your effort here!==
==Appreciate your effort here!==
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==[[Template:WikiStatus]]==
==[[Template:WikiStatus]]==
Are you able to add some Chinese translation to the new Archive section of the [[Template:WikiStatus]] please? :))  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 11:54, 30 April 2013 (PDT)
Are you able to add some [[:Category:ChineseTranslation|Chinese translation]] to the new Archive section of the [[Template:WikiStatus]] please? :))  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 11:54, 30 April 2013 (PDT)
:OK. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  17:51, 30 April 2013 (PDT)
:OK. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  17:51, 30 April 2013 (PDT)


==Subst vs transcluded templates==
==Subst vs transcluded templates==
Hi [[YiFei]],  couple of points. 1) we are no where any size that [[Wikipedia]] is and so from a technological and spam point of view, I don't think it is an issue there.  2) My main point is to have the wiki look as clean as it can, and yes, that is especially at an editing the page level. I think that date stamps and all the other colors, formatting in signatures is problematic - to me it is noise and adds no value to the wiki.  Yes you are talking to a pre-Wikipedia person :-)  So, I was playing with the idea of [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Category_talk%3AActive_administrators_of_this_wiki&diff=168555&oldid=168554 moving all the "stuff"] into signatures to clean up the wiki.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
Hi [[YiFei]],  couple of points. 1) we are no where any size that [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] is and so from a technological and [[spam]] point of view, I don't think it is an issue there.  2) My main point is to have the wiki look as clean as it can, and yes, that is especially at an editing the page level. I think that date stamps and all the other colors, formatting in signatures is problematic - to me it is noise and adds no value to the wiki.  Yes you are talking to a pre-Wikipedia person :-)  So, I was playing with the idea of [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Category_talk%3AActive_administrators_of_this_wiki&diff=168555&oldid=168554 moving all the "stuff"] into signatures to clean up the wiki.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
: Hi. What if the templates like Template:HoofHearted is spammed? Is there any way to protect is so that only [[Sean]] could edit it? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  18:00, 4 May 2013 (PDT)
: Hi. What if the templates like Template:HoofHearted is spammed? Is there any way to protect is so that only [[Sean]] could edit it? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  18:00, 4 May 2013 (PDT)
It could be protected just for [[sysop]]s - consider this course of action. Doing the easiest next step. In this case, seeing if it becomes a spam target. My guess is that we won't have to worry about it.  Also, I don't think the timestamp can be transcluded, which is a problem for some folks. I am ok with no action or shared action on this. :-)  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
It could be protected just for [[sysop]]s - consider this course of action. Doing the easiest next step. In this case, seeing if it becomes a spam target. My guess is that we won't have to worry about it.  Also, I don't think the timestamp can be transcluded, which is a problem for some folks. I am ok with no action or shared action on this. :-)  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
: It can be substituted, but not transcluded. See Template:YiFei --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  05:39, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
: It can be substituted, but not transcluded. See Template:YiFei --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  05:39, 5 May 2013 (UTC)


I'm not sure why you are both trying to re-invent the wheel?  The default MediaWiki signature generator is the most secure method of generating a signature - and it is how all other MediaWiki installations do it.  And I'm also not sure why there is seemingly apparent denial of the very real spam problem from Mark!  Finally, I really don't get why Mark is trying to 'clean up the wiki' - signatures with timestamps is the way MediaWiki works - and that is exactly how the millions of existing MediaWiki users will be familiar with.  Mark, if you really don't like how MediaWiki works, then maybe it is time to either shut down WikiIndex, or move it back to a more prehistoric wiki engine.  A lot of effort is being wasted here .... maybe time for me to check-out - just like the many other valuable past contributors to this site! :////  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 03:42, 5 May 2013 (PDT)
I'm not sure why you are both trying to re-invent the wheel?  The default [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] signature generator is the most secure method of generating a signature - and it is how all other MediaWiki installations do it.  And I'm also not sure why there is seemingly apparent denial of the very real spam problem from Mark!  Finally, I really don't get why Mark is trying to 'clean up the wiki' - signatures with timestamps is the way MediaWiki works - and that is exactly how the millions of existing MediaWiki users will be familiar with.  Mark, if you really don't like how MediaWiki works, then maybe it is time to either shut down WikiIndex, or move it back to a more prehistoric [[:Category:Wiki Engine|wiki engine]].  A lot of effort is being wasted here .... maybe time for me to check-out - just like the many other valuable past contributors to this site! :////  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 03:42, 5 May 2013 (PDT)
: I am not trying to reinvent the wheel, as you say Sean, merely exploring how to make a cleaner wiki.  Which is what I have been doing here since 2006 and you since 2011. I do not understand your frustration here, I have not been heavy handed about anything. I am not denying a spam problem here either.  I uses the signature generator - and when I have had fancy signatures I have used <nowiki>{{MarkDilley}}</nowiki>.  You are right Sean, I don't like how MediaWiki works - one time I was having lunch with [[Brion Vibber]], a  main MediaWiki developer, and we were complaining how MediaWiki was a good wiki for the encyclopedia but very bloated for pretty much every other wiki instance. I do understand that many public wiki use MediaWiki and that WikiIndex has since its inception - but the software doesn't have to override community ideals.  Again, I really don't understand your frustrations Sean, is it not ok to talk about things?  People check out of wiki when they want, and check back in when they want - it is the nature of wiki - I would also say that [[Ray King]] owns the domain, the idea was mine, and [[John Stanton]] implemented.  I am not a [[Meatball:GodKing]] - the community has always run this wiki. Why do you say a lot of effort is wasted here? ~~ [[MarkDilley]]  
: I am not trying to reinvent the wheel, as you say Sean, merely exploring how to make a cleaner wiki.  Which is what I have been doing here since 2006 and you since 2011. I do not understand your frustration here, I have not been heavy handed about anything. I am not denying a spam problem here either.  I uses the signature generator - and when I have had fancy signatures I have used <nowiki>{{MarkDilley}}</nowiki>.  You are right Sean, I don't like how MediaWiki works - one time I was having lunch with [[Brion Vibber]], a  main [[:Category:MediaWiki developer|MediaWiki developer]], and we were complaining how MediaWiki was a good wiki for the encyclopedia but very bloated for pretty much every other wiki instance. I do understand that many public wiki use MediaWiki and that WikiIndex has since its inception - but the software doesn't have to override community ideals.  Again, I really don't understand your frustrations Sean, is it not ok to talk about things?  People check out of wiki when they want, and check back in when they want - it is the nature of wiki - I would also say that [[Ray King]] owns the domain, the idea was mine, and [[John Stanton]] implemented.  I am not a [[Meatball:GodKing]] - the community has always run this wiki. Why do you say a lot of effort is wasted here? ~~ [[MarkDilley]]  




Oh, YiFei, sorry for spamming your talk page :(((  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 03:42, 5 May 2013 (PDT)
Oh, YiFei, sorry for spamming your talk page :(((  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 03:42, 5 May 2013 (PDT)
:Never mind. I like them because I can make my timestamps in UTC. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  10:49, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
:Never mind. I like them because I can make my timestamps in UTC. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  10:49, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
::OK, I understand that, and appreciate you want UTC timestamps.  But Mark should fix the MediaWiki software (or get someone else to fix it) - so that the default timestamp is UTC, and also so that individuals can actually alter it to their own personal timezone via their own preference settings.  Its a great template, but it would be a hassle for every single user to use it, when the MW software should automatically do it for us.  Best :))  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 05:33, 5 May 2013 (PDT)
::OK, I understand that, and appreciate you want [[:Category:Timezone UTC0|UTC]] timestamps.  But Mark should fix the MediaWiki software (or get someone else to fix it) - so that the default timestamp is UTC, and also so that individuals can actually alter it to their own personal [[:Category:Timezone|timezone]] via their own preference settings.  Its a great template, but it would be a hassle for every single [[user]] to use it, when the MW software should automatically do it for us.  Best :))  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 05:33, 5 May 2013 (PDT)
:::I think [[Ray King]] actually own this wiki. See who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=wikiindex.org&isc=ALEXADOM --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  12:49, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
:::I think [[Ray King]] actually own this wiki. See who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=wikiindex.org&isc=ALEXADOM --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  12:49, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I know [[Raymond King|Ray]] (aka [[User:Rathbone]]) owns the domain name, but I think that Ray has handed over day-to-day control and running of the wiki to [[MarkDilley]].  I don't know if Mark has access to the server though! ://  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 07:57, 5 May 2013 (PDT)
::::Yeah, I know [[Raymond King|Ray]] (aka [[User:Rathbone]]) owns the domain name, but I think that Ray has handed over day-to-day control and running of the wiki to [[MarkDilley]].  I don't know if Mark has access to the server though! ://  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 07:57, 5 May 2013 (PDT)
:::::If [[Mark]] have to change the settings, he must change http://wikiindex.org/LocalSettings.php, which needs access to the server. By the way, why are there two [[Ray King]]s -- [[User:Ray King]] and [[User:Rathbone]]? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  15:09, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::If [[Mark]] have to change the settings, he must change https://WikiIndex.org/LocalSettings.php, which needs access to the server. By the way, why are there two [[Ray King]]s -- [[User:Ray King]] and [[User:Rathbone]]? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  15:09, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
: Mark is not a backend person.  We need to put these things on the [[Upgrade]]s page. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
: Mark is not a backend person.  We need to put these things on the [[Upgrade]]s page. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


==User:Emufarmers==
==[[User:Emufarmers]]==
The page was deleted and protected because it had been the target of a spammer/vandal. Spamming contained religious commentary which was removed. [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] ([[User talk:TeraS|talk]]) 03:47, 5 May 2013 (PDT)
The page was deleted and protected because it had been the target of a [[spam]]mer/[[vandal]]. Spamming contained religious commentary which was removed. [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] ([[User talk:TeraS|talk]]) 03:47, 5 May 2013 (PDT)
:I'm just researching why he can be an sysop, how [[User:Emufarmers2]] exist without creating an account, just things like this. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  10:53, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
:I'm just researching why he can be an [[sysop]], how User:Emufarmers2 exist without creating an account, just things like this. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  10:53, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
::I'm not a programmer (so I don't know the specific detail), but I think I've heard that anyone who has access to a certain MediaWiki file (maybe 'settings.php') on the host server can somehow gain 'backdoor' access to a wiki, and grant themselves sysop and crat rights, without actually having an account on said wiki.  I've blocked Emufarmers2 - but I still think we have vulnerabilities with our software setup.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 05:38, 5 May 2013 (PDT)
::I'm not a programmer (so I don't know the specific detail), but I think I've heard that anyone who has access to a certain MediaWiki file (maybe 'settings.php') on the host server can somehow gain 'backdoor' access to a wiki, and grant themselves sysop and crat rights, without actually having an account on said wiki.  I've blocked Emufarmers2 - but I still think we have vulnerabilities with our software setup.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 05:38, 5 May 2013 (PDT)
::: It's not possible. See http://wikiindex.org/LocalSettings.php --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  12:52, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
::: It's not possible. See https://WikiIndex.org/LocalSettings.php --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  12:52, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
::: I've found that he's a developer of [[MediaWiki]], but I didn't find any bad code changes. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  14:27, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
::: I've found that he's a [[:Category:MediaWiki developer|developer of MediaWiki]], but I didn't find any bad code changes. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  14:27, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
[http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Category_talk:Active_administrators_of_this_wiki&diff=168975&oldid=168747] [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] ([[User talk:Emufarmers|talk]]) 14:27, 7 May 2013 (PDT)
[https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Category_talk:Active_administrators_of_this_wiki&diff=168975&oldid=168747] [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] ([[User talk:Emufarmers|talk]]) 14:27, 7 May 2013 (PDT)


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==Talk page policy==
==Talk page policy==
I noticed you've moved my replies in the past, and while I mostly thought it strange, I'm afraid I must ask you to please not do so in the future for a few reasons:
I noticed you've moved my replies in the past, and while I mostly thought it strange, I'm afraid I must ask you to please not do so in the future for a few reasons:
* This is not Wikipedia. The link you provided is helpful, but those rules are not necessarily applicable everywhere.
* This is not [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]]. The link you provided is helpful, but those rules are not necessarily applicable everywhere.
* The method of reply used is not improper to my knowledge, as posting replies on the original talk page only sends one user new message updates, especially if they have email updates enabled.
* The method of reply used is not improper to my knowledge, as posting replies on the original [[talk page]] only sends one [[user]] new message updates, especially if they have email updates enabled.
* I have sent messages like the ones you have complained about in the past to other users without problems before.
* I have sent messages like the ones you have complained about in the past to other users without problems before.
* The messages I was sending to another user (who in this case happens to be a fellow admin on another wiki) were to discuss how to communicate with each other more efficiently since the web host our wiki was on was making direct communication there difficult, and both of us getting replies to each other was vital.
* The messages I was sending to another user (who in this case happens to be a fellow admin on another wiki) were to discuss how to communicate with each other more efficiently since the web host our wiki was on was making direct communication there difficult, and both of us getting replies to each other was vital.
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==Admin things==
==Admin things==
About your request to be one of the Sysops, that I have to place in the hands of Mark as this is something that I don't feel I have the right to do without his permission. I would suggest contacting him off Wiki and talking to him about this. [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] ([[User talk:TeraS|talk]]) 13:18, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
About your request to be one of the [[Sysop]]s, that I have to place in the hands of Mark as this is something that I don't feel I have the right to do without his permission. I would suggest contacting him off Wiki and talking to him about this. [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] ([[User talk:TeraS|talk]]) 13:18, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
: Ok. But I'm not sure he'll reply right now. I've already sent him some e-mails, including this request today. But the last one, about a typo in [[Template:Vandal]] and protecting [[Category talk:Wiki Topic]], he hasn't replied to me yet, and neither fixed them --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 13:46, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
: Ok. But I'm not sure he'll reply right now. I've already sent him some e-mails, including this request today. But the last one, about a typo in [[Template:Vandal]] and protecting [[Category talk:Wiki Topic]], he hasn't replied to me yet, and neither fixed them --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 13:46, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
::: I'll protect the talk page now, where is the typo? [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] ([[User talk:TeraS|talk]]) 14:30, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
::: I'll protect the talk page now, where is the typo? [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] ([[User talk:TeraS|talk]]) 14:30, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
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==It is a wiki and people do what they can==
==It is a wiki and people do what they can==
Hi [[YiFei]], see your [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&diff=next&oldid=170693 edit summaries] and think you are frustrated - I hope not.  Look forward to the abuse filter bot - looks very helpful!  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
Hi [[YiFei]], see your [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&diff=next&oldid=170693 edit summaries] and think you are frustrated - I hope not.  Look forward to the abuse filter bot - looks very helpful!  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
: Oh. Sorry. I just find that I have to notify every sysop if I'm not. First, Sean, then, you, then Arcane. Just getting tired of that. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 14:59, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
: Oh. Sorry. I just find that I have to notify every [[sysop]] if I'm not. First, Sean, then, you, then Arcane. Just getting tired of that. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 14:59, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
:: I think people will make mistakes on the [[wiki]] - that is kinda why I think it works. [[Wiki:WikiPeace]], [[MarkDilley]]
:: I think people will make mistakes on the [[wiki]] - that is kinda why I think it works. [[Wiki:WikiPeace]], [[MarkDilley]]
: BTW, it's not actually a bot. It's a kind of reserved user, just like [[User:MediaWiki default]]. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 15:11, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
: BTW, it's not actually a bot. It's a kind of reserved user, just like User:MediaWiki default. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 15:11, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
:: Looks cool, I see its log and I don't see those in [[RecentChanges]] - hopeful that it is really, really effective! :-) [[MarkDilley]]
:: Looks cool, I see its log and I don't see those in [[RecentChanges]] - hopeful that it is really, really effective! :-) [[MarkDilley]]
::: It only shows when a block happened. Filter 4 does that, but filter 9 is also a common type of link spam. I'm thinking of adding it as a blocking filter too. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 23:10, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
::: It only shows when a block happened. Filter 4 does that, but filter 9 is also a common type of link spam. I'm thinking of adding it as a blocking filter too. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 23:10, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
::: Also, accounts like [[User:ABIDEEN0]] would tigger filter 7 and 8. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 23:14, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
::: Also, accounts like User:ABIDEEN0 would tigger filter 7 and 8. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 23:14, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
:::: Where is the guide / documentation on what these filters do and how they do it, I think it is facsinating.  If there is not any, I would like to help create some.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
:::: Where is the guide / documentation on what these filters do and how they do it, I think it is facsinating.  If there is not any, I would like to help create some.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
::::: See [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki#Seems like account spam is increasing]]. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 02:56, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
::::: See [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki#Seems like account spam is increasing]]. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 02:56, 23 June 2013 (UTC)


==On blocking no edit users==
==On blocking no edit users==
Myself and the rest of the administration have been blocking no edit users like the example you brought up because, typically, most of those accounts have either matched patterns of spammers as seen on other wikis (some of whom have used these accounts as sleepers), and because most vandals and spambots make throwaway accounts with nonsense strings of information and typically tend to make many accounts in a short amount of time, either as part of their programming or as sleeper sockpuppets.
Myself and the rest of the [[admin]]istration have been blocking no edit [[user]]s like the example you brought up because, typically, most of those accounts have either matched patterns of [[spam]]mers as seen on other wikis (some of whom have used these accounts as sleepers), and because most [[vandal]]s and spambots make throwaway accounts with nonsense strings of information and typically tend to make many accounts in a short amount of time, either as part of their programming or as sleeper [[sockpuppet]]s.


You can review the block log to see what I mean.
You can review the [[Special:Log/block|block log]] to see what I mean.


Also, most users who sign onto WikiIndex who turn out to be legitimate usually make new wiki pages, create user pages, or edits that are obviously not vandal edits almost immediately after joining, barring the occasional vandal revisionist (rewriting a page to suit their beliefs without being an obvious vandal) or religious spammer (we've had a few who deface pages on wikis they feel insult their beliefs with their own hateful interpretation of the content).
Also, most users who sign onto WikiIndex who turn out to be legitimate usually make new wiki pages, create [[user page]]s, or edits that are obviously not vandal edits almost immediately after joining, barring the occasional vandal revisionist (rewriting a page to suit their beliefs without being an obvious vandal) or religious spammer (we've had a few who deface pages on wikis they feel insult their beliefs with their own hateful interpretation of the content).


If you feel this policy should be changed, I suggest expressing your concerns to MarkDilley. Me personally, I have noticed how effective the Abuse filter has been, so you make a very good point for your opposition to the current policy, but by the same token, spammers and vandals can always switch tactics to get around it, and given the huge amounts of spam and vandalism we've had to fight, we tend to err on the side of caution.
If you feel this policy should be changed, I suggest expressing your concerns to MarkDilley. Me personally, I have noticed how effective the Abuse filter has been, so you make a very good point for your opposition to the current policy, but by the same token, spammers and vandals can always switch tactics to get around it, and given the huge amounts of spam and vandalism we've had to fight, we tend to err on the side of caution.
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==new for me==
==new for me==
Hi [[YiFei]], [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex:Upgrades_needed&diff=next&oldid=170991 this edit] has me baffled and a little excited as I have never seen it before, can you explain it to me. Thanks! ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
Hi [[YiFei]], [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex:Upgrades_needed&diff=next&oldid=170991 this edit] has me baffled and a little excited as I have never seen it before, can you explain it to me. Thanks! ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
: I restored the page, so now the revision exists. [[Special:Permalink]] is just a shortcut to all existing (not deleted) revisions. So I made it like that. (Learnt from [[Commons:User:Leyo]]) --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 05:24, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
: I restored the page, so now the revision exists. [[Special:Permalink]] is just a shortcut to all existing (not deleted) revisions. So I made it like that. (Learnt from [[Commons:User:Leyo]]) --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 05:24, 29 June 2013 (UTC)


==Arabic interface==
==Arabic interface==
Thanx for Arabic interface. It is a pleasure contribute with it. Regards. [[User:Brahfous|Brahfous]] ([[User talk:Brahfous|talk]]) 13:00, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanx for [[:Category:Wiki Arabic|Arabic interface]]. It is a pleasure contribute with it. Regards. [[User:Brahfous|Brahfous]] ([[User talk:Brahfous|talk]]) 13:00, 1 July 2013 (UTC)


==Linking english button to arabic page==
==Linking english button to arabic page==
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buttons in English link to pages in English;
buttons in English link to pages in English;
Arabic buttons link to pages translated into Arabic.
Arabic buttons link to [[:Category:ArabicTranslation|pages translated into Arabic]].


I translated in Arabic and created the page  of 'Add a Wiki'  named  إضافة ويكي (http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex:%D8%A5%D8%B6%D8%A7%D9%81%D8%A9_%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A) but i can not linking it to the translated page in arabic.
I translated in Arabic and created the page  of 'Add a Wiki'  named  إضافة ويكي (https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex:%D8%A5%D8%B6%D8%A7%D9%81%D8%A9_%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A) but i can not linking it to the translated page in arabic.


The page 'Add a Wiki' is protected.
The page '[[WikiIndex:Add a Wiki|Add a Wiki]]' is protected.


How I can link ’ home ‘  from  ‘community’ to the Arabic page  مرحبا, because  ‘Home’ links me always  to: http://wikiindex.org/Welcome not to:  
How I can link ’ home ‘  from  ‘community’ to the Arabic page  مرحبا, because  ‘Home’ links me always  to: https://WikiIndex.org/Welcome not to:  
http://wikiindex.org/%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%AD%D8%A8%D8%A7.
https://WikiIndex.org/%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%AD%D8%A8%D8%A7.


Best. [[User:Brahfous|Brahfous]] ([[User talk:Brahfous|talk]]) 14:34, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Best. [[User:Brahfous|Brahfous]] ([[User talk:Brahfous|talk]]) 14:34, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
:For [[Add a Wiki]], I unprotected for you. For the sidebar, can you give me a translation?
:For [[WikiIndex:Add a Wiki|Add a Wiki]], I unprotected for you. For the [[MediaWiki:Sidebar|sidebar]], can you give me a translation?


==Buttons don't link to translated pages, changes reverted==
==Buttons don't link to translated pages, changes reverted==
Hi. Thank you for removing the protection and pages 'Home' and 'Add a wiki'. But not refer directly to pages translated in arabic.
Hi. Thank you for removing the protection and pages 'Home' and '[[WikiIndex:Add a Wiki|Add a Wiki]]'. But not refer directly to pages [[:Category:ArabicTranslation|translated in arabic]].


I was obliged to use 'Redirect'. My Redirection was reverted by you. Apologies if I made a mistake with the community..[[User:Brahfous|Brahfous]] ([[User talk:Brahfous|talk]]) 15:21, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
I was obliged to use '[[Redirect]]'. My Redirection was [[revert]]ed by you. Apologies if I made a mistake with the community..[[User:Brahfous|Brahfous]] ([[User talk:Brahfous|talk]]) 15:21, 2 July 2013 (UTC)


==To change all the mw-panel of my Wikiindex into arabic==
==To change all the mw-panel of my Wikiindex into arabic==
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The equivalent of Sandbox(mw-head)  in Arabic is  ملعب تجربة .
The equivalent of Sandbox(mw-head)  in Arabic is  ملعب تجربة .


How to link these buttons directly to pages translated into Arabic and not to those in English , especially [[WikiIndex:إضافة_ويكي]] (Add a Wiki). I noticed the “other languages:ar “ link at the bottom of the page but not everyone may notice it. Gratefulnesses. [[User:Brahfous|Brahfous]] ([[User talk:Brahfous|talk]]) 19:50, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
How to link these buttons directly to pages translated into Arabic and not to those in English , especially WikiIndex:إضافة_ويكي (Add a Wiki). I noticed the “other languages:ar “ link at the bottom of the page but not everyone may notice it. Gratefulnesses. [[User:Brahfous|Brahfous]] ([[User talk:Brahfous|talk]]) 19:50, 3 July 2013 (UTC)


==[[Edit summary|Edit summaries]] are useful==
==[[Edit summary|Edit summaries]] are useful==
Hi [[YiFei]], please refrain from [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebar&action=history using shorthand] when possible, and could you explain to me these: dyn & lc - thanks, it is much easier to follow what is going on when folks write out the words.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
Hi [[YiFei]], please refrain from [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebar&action=history using shorthand] when possible, and could you explain to me these: dyn & lc - thanks, it is much easier to follow what is going on when folks write out the words.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
: Ok. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 13:41, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
: Ok. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 13:41, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
:Dyn (dynamic), lc (lowercase) in those cases,  mean to use a system message instead of a constant. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 23:25, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
:Dyn (dynamic), lc (lowercase) in those cases,  mean to use a system message instead of a constant. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 23:25, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
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==wikiFactor of [[Deutsche Wikipedia]]==
==wikiFactor of [[Deutsche Wikipedia]]==
Are you sure about [[wikiFactor]] of [[Deutsche Wikipedia]]? Before it was 125, now you write 110. It looks strange to me. Greetings --[[Special:Contributions/89.183.14.152|89.183.14.152]] 23:56, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Are you sure about [[wikiFactor]] of [[Deutsche Wikipedia]]? Before it was 125, now you write 110. It looks strange to me. Greetings --[[Special:Contributions/89.183.14.152|89.183.14.152]] 23:56, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
:It said ''110 [[wp:de:Kaley Cuoco|Kaley Cuoco]] 110533'', so I do think it is 110. Please tell me if I'm wrong. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 03:28, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
:It said ''110 {{W|de:Kaley Cuoco|Kaley Cuoco}} 110533'', so I do think it is 110. Please tell me if I'm wrong. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 03:28, 28 July 2013 (UTC)


==Voting==
==Voting==
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==thank you==
==thank you==
Thank you for adding the magic keywords to [[WikiIndex:FrequentlyAskedQuestions]] so readers get the latest information about how many wiki are listed here.[http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex%3AFrequentlyAskedQuestions&diff=170855&oldid=169960] --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 16:56, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for adding the magic keywords to [[WikiIndex:FrequentlyAskedQuestions]] so readers get the latest information about how many wiki are listed here.[https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex%3AFrequentlyAskedQuestions&diff=170855&oldid=169960] --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 16:56, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
:You're welcome. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 17:13, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
:You're welcome. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 17:13, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


==I don't understand==
==I don't understand==
I don't understand what YiFeiBot is trying to do in a recent edit[http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex:FrequentlyAskedQuestions&diff=prev&oldid=169960]. I assume that edit is the unwanted result of some software bug somewhere, and you didn't really mean to do that. So I reverted [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex:FrequentlyAskedQuestions&diff=next&oldid=170855]. (Since [[User talk:YiFeiBot]] redirects to your talk page, I thought you might know something about it).
I don't understand what {{U|YiFeiBot}} is trying to do in a recent edit[https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex:FrequentlyAskedQuestions&diff=prev&oldid=169960]. I assume that edit is the unwanted result of some software bug somewhere, and you didn't really mean to do that. So I reverted [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex:FrequentlyAskedQuestions&diff=next&oldid=170855]. (Since [[User talk:YiFeiBot]] redirects to your talk page, I thought you might know something about it).


If my assumption is incorrect (as they often are), please undo my revert. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 17:10, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
If my assumption is incorrect (as they often are), please undo my revert. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 17:10, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
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==Deleting Spam==
==Deleting Spam==
Could you clear the deletion field ("Other/additional reason") before you delete a spam please?.....you are moving the spam from the  main page to the logs where it will remain....[http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=Zhuyifei1999&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1 forever!]...  [[User:Comets|Comets]]
Could you clear the deletion field ("Other/additional reason") before you delete a [[spam]] please?.....you are moving the spam from the  main page to the logs where it will remain....[https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=Zhuyifei1999&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1 forever!]...  [[User:Comets|Comets]]
: It is possible to oversight logs, but I'll have to ask {{u|Emufarmers}} for that feature. Also clearing it takes some more time, and this spam flood is extremely bad, so I didn't do that. I'll try next time. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 13:42, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
: It is possible to oversight logs, but I'll have to ask {{u|Emufarmers}} for that feature. Also clearing it takes some more time, and this spam flood is extremely bad, so I didn't do that. I'll try next time. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 13:42, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
: [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=User_talk%3ASolarLi Plus 1] - :-)  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
: [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=User_talk%3ASolarLi Plus 1] - :-)  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
:: Sorry, just forgot. Maybe I'll make a script to do that next time. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 01:14, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
:: Sorry, just forgot. Maybe I'll make a script to do that next time. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 01:14, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
::: No worries!! The larger thing here is that ... THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU DO HERE!!! :-)  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
::: No worries!! The larger thing here is that ... THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU DO HERE!!! :-)  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
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I try to change [[RationalWiki]] into a multilingual version. But where are some problems.
I try to change [[RationalWiki]] into a multilingual version. But where are some problems.
# [[Russian RationalWiki]] is to be moved now to [[RationalWiki (ru)]]. I can not to this.
# [[Russian RationalWiki]] is to be moved now to [[RationalWiki (ru)]]. I can not to this.
# I create [[Template:RationalWiki]], but there is a problem with "<nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/RationalWiki here]</nowiki>". I took it from [[RationalWiki]], see [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=RationalWiki&diff=prev&oldid=172628 here].
# I create [[Template:RationalWiki]], but there is a problem with "<nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/RationalWiki here]</nowiki>". I took it from [[RationalWiki]], see [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=RationalWiki&diff=prev&oldid=172628 here].
# [[RationalWiki]] is to be moved now to [[RationalWiki (en)]]. I can not to this.
# [[RationalWiki]] is to be moved now to [[RationalWiki (en)]]. I can not to this.
# After #3 done, there is to create a new [[RationalWiki]], look inside the code:
# After #3 done, there is to create a new [[RationalWiki]], look inside the code:
:<nowiki>{{MultilingualMain</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{MultilingualMain</nowiki>
:<nowiki>|logo    = http://rationalwiki.org/w/images/6/6e/Rw_logo.png</nowiki>
:<nowiki>|logo    = http://RationalWiki.org/w/images/6/6e/Rw_logo.png</nowiki>
:<nowiki>|URL      = http://rationalwiki.org</nowiki>
:<nowiki>|URL      = http://RationalWiki.org</nowiki>
:<nowiki>|engine  = MediaWiki</nowiki>
:<nowiki>|engine  = MediaWiki</nowiki>
:<nowiki>|maintopic= Pseudoscience</nowiki>
:<nowiki>|maintopic= Pseudoscience</nowiki>
:<nowiki>|license  = Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike</nowiki>
:<nowiki>|license  = Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike</nowiki>
:<nowiki>}}{{language versions|en|ru}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>}}{{Language versions|en|ru}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki></nowiki>
:<nowiki></nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{RationalWiki}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{RationalWiki}}</nowiki>
Thank you! --[[Special:Contributions/89.15.96.155|89.15.96.155]] 10:09, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! --[[Special:Contributions/89.15.96.155|89.15.96.155]] 10:09, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
:About moving you can [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&type=signup create an account] to do this ;) I'm looking into the others --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 10:14, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
:About moving you can [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&type=signup create an account] to do this ;) I'm looking into the others --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 10:14, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
::Thank you! There was somethink like a spamfilter, but now I figured out, that the domain of "encyclopediadramatica.ch" has changed to "encyclopediadramatica.es"
::Thank you! There was somethink like a spamfilter, but now I figured out, that the domain of "encyclopediadramatica.ch" has changed to "encyclopediadramatica.es"
::Now all works fine! :-) --[[Special:Contributions/89.15.96.155|89.15.96.155]] 10:34, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
::Now all works fine! :-) --[[Special:Contributions/89.15.96.155|89.15.96.155]] 10:34, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
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That makes the content box appear under the great box and it is not so good, to have to scroll down to find it. ;-) --[[Special:Contributions/89.15.64.40|89.15.64.40]] 10:13, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
That makes the content box appear under the great box and it is not so good, to have to scroll down to find it. ;-) --[[Special:Contributions/89.15.64.40|89.15.64.40]] 10:13, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
:'''Fixed''' --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 10:23, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
:'''Fixed''' --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 10:23, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
::Not exactly. As you see, the top of the content box is NOT inline with the top of WikiTourBus box, because there is another "padding-top:.5em" in <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:TOCright]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki> and I set it to "padding-top:0" in <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:WikiMANNia/TOC]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki> --[[Special:Contributions/89.15.210.137|89.15.210.137]] 14:10, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
::Not exactly. As you see, the top of the content box is NOT inline with the top of WikiTourBus box, because there is another "padding-top:.5em" in <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:TOCright]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki> and I set it to "padding-top:0" in <nowiki>{{</nowiki>Template:WikiMANNia/TOC<nowiki>}}</nowiki> --[[Special:Contributions/89.15.210.137|89.15.210.137]] 14:10, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
:::Like this? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 14:38, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
:::Like this? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 14:38, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
::::I give you 5! :-) --[[Special:Contributions/89.15.210.137|89.15.210.137]] 14:49, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
::::I give you 5! :-) --[[Special:Contributions/89.15.210.137|89.15.210.137]] 14:49, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
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::::::: Bye --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 14:55, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
::::::: Bye --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 14:55, 17 October 2013 (UTC)


Sadly, the changes to [[Template:TOCright]] have now messed up many other articles which use it.  See [[Regiowikis]] for an example - before it was altered, the TOC would float immediately below the infobox.  I think we need to revert the TOCright template, and try to fix the padding/margin spacing and placement for the TourBusStop box.  I understand (and respect) why the IP editor wanted this change, but it has resulted in messing up far more articles than has been resolved.  Maybe we ought to undelete [[Template:WikiMANNia/TOC]].  What are your thoughts on this?  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 02:19, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
Sadly, the changes to [[Template:TOCright]] have now messed up many other articles which use it.  See [[Regiowikis]] for an example - before it was altered, the TOC would float immediately below the infobox.  I think we need to revert the TOCright template, and try to fix the padding/margin spacing and placement for the TourBusStop box.  I understand (and respect) why the [[IP editor]] wanted this change, but it has resulted in messing up far more articles than has been resolved.  Maybe we ought to undelete Template:WikiMANNia/TOC.  What are your thoughts on this?  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 02:19, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Would it look cooler with the toctree on? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 10:27, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Would it look cooler with the toctree on? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 10:27, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


:Hi, Sean. This was exactly, why I defined a separate <nowiki>{{Template:WikiMANNia/TOC}}</nowiki>! ;-)
:Hi, Sean. This was exactly, why I defined a separate <nowiki>{{Template:WikiMANNia/TOC}}</nowiki>! ;-)
:But <nowiki>{{Template:WikiMANNia/TOC}}</nowiki> can be moved to <nowiki>{{Template:TOCright_"somethingelse"}}</nowiki>, for example <nowiki>{{Template:TOCright_without_clear}}</nowiki>, to have both posibilities. Another solution is, to add a parameter to <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:TOCright]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki> like "clear=set" or "clear=unset" or somethink like that.
:But <nowiki>{{Template:WikiMANNia/TOC}}</nowiki> can be moved to <nowiki>{{Template:TOCright_"somethingelse"}}</nowiki>, for example <nowiki>{{Template:TOCright without clear}}</nowiki>, to have both posibilities. Another solution is, to add a parameter to <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:TOCright]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki> like "clear=set" or "clear=unset" or somethink like that.
:It's allways the same: First think a lot, after this do hacking. Otherwise you have double work! ;-)) --[[Special:Contributions/89.15.112.107|89.15.112.107]] 11:00, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:It's allways the same: First think a lot, after this do hacking. Otherwise you have double work! ;-)) --[[Special:Contributions/89.15.112.107|89.15.112.107]] 11:00, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


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I've noticed a few strange templates appearing - particularly dealing with page count and [[wikiFactor]] on a few differing multilingual articles, such as [[WikiMANNia]], [[Psiram]] and no doubt a few others.  They all seem to have been created by a German IP editor, and I don't understand the need for them.
I've noticed a few strange templates appearing - particularly dealing with page count and [[wikiFactor]] on a few differing multilingual articles, such as [[WikiMANNia]], [[Psiram]] and no doubt a few others.  They all seem to have been created by a German IP editor, and I don't understand the need for them.


And can you advise what is the purpose of [[MediaWiki:Abusefilter-warning-br]] and [[Template:Br]] - the template is just a simple html code, which is very widely used throughought the wiki-world and beyond.
And can you advise what is the purpose of [[MediaWiki:Abusefilter-warning-br]] and Template:Br - the template is just a simple html code, which is very widely used throughought the wiki-world and beyond.


Looks like you've been doing an amazing job here whilst I've been ill - really appreciate your effort. :-)))))  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 00:12, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
Looks like you've been doing an amazing job here whilst I've been ill - really appreciate your effort. :-)))))  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 00:12, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:[[MediaWiki:Abusefilter-warning-br]] and [[Template:Br]] see [[Special:AbuseFilter/18]] --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 10:29, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:[[MediaWiki:Abusefilter-warning-br]] and Template:Br see [[Special:AbuseFilter/18]] --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 10:29, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


==MediaWiki namespace, test editing and edit summaries==
==MediaWiki namespace, test editing and edit summaries==
Please <big>'''STOP'''</big> adding un-necessary pages in the MediaWiki namespace, and please <big>'''STOP'''</big> reverting other admins edits without first discussing the issue.  Our MediaWiki setup was functioning perfectly fine without your additional pages clogging up the namespace with totally unjustified additional pages and associated cascades.  Creating cascading MediaWiki pages simply slows down the wiki, creates errors, and even creates excess server loading.
Please <big>'''STOP'''</big> adding un-necessary pages in the MediaWiki namespace, and please <big>'''STOP'''</big> reverting other admins edits without first discussing the issue.  Our MediaWiki setup was functioning perfectly fine without your additional pages clogging up the namespace with totally unjustified additional pages and associated cascades.  Creating cascading MediaWiki pages simply slows down the wiki, creates errors, and even creates excess server loading.


Please <big>'''STOP'''</big> flooding article histories with test edits.  If you want to test new stuff - use a sandbox.  If you want to test stuff in templates - please allow time for the system cache to purge, and THEN check related articles for the effects of your edit.  Test edits make it very difficult - and time-consuming to track changes - especially when mistakes or un-desireable changes are made.
Please <big>'''STOP'''</big> flooding article histories with test edits.  If you want to test new stuff - use a [[sandbox]].  If you want to test stuff in templates - please allow time for the system cache to purge, and THEN check related articles for the effects of your edit.  Test edits make it very difficult - and time-consuming to track changes - especially when mistakes or un-desireable changes are made.


Finally, please use edit summaries which we can all understand.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 17:05, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Finally, please use [[Edit summary|edit summaries]] which we can all understand.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 17:05, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:#They are for i18n, therefore they are not unnecessary.
:#They are for i18n, therefore they are not unnecessary.
:#You deleted them first without discussing with Brafous.
:#You deleted them first without discussing with [[User:Brahfous|Brahfous]].
:#You can search for i18n if you like in Google, as it is a common word. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 04:28, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:#You can search for i18n if you like in Google, as it is a common word. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 04:28, 7 November 2013 (UTC)


==Again?==
==Again?==
Do you mean me personally [[edit war]]ring or are you talking about another situation at WikiIndex?  Best, Mark
Do you mean me personally [[edit war]]ring or are you talking about another situation at WikiIndex?  Best, [[Mark]]
: The reverts looks like already in a war or will be in a war, which I hope that it will never happen again. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:38, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
: The [[revert]]s looks like already in a war or will be in a war, which I hope that it will never happen again. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:38, 4 December 2013 (UTC)


I think this one has been averted :-)  [[MarkDilley]]
I think this one has been averted :-)  [[MarkDilley]]


==List of harassing open proxies==
==List of harassing open proxies==
[http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User:Abd/Sandbox&oldid=175900] is a list of the IPs involved in the recent harassment or editing of related pages. In particular, it appears that every one of the IPs involved -- with two exceptions listed at the bottom -- is likely an open proxy or TOR node. I show entries from the meta.wikipedia global block log for some, WikiMedia Foundation stewards generally indef hard-block identified open proxy ranges, then deal with possible interference with legitimate editors by suggesting IP block exemption.
https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=User:Abd/Sandbox&oldid=175900 is a list of the [[IP address|IPs]] involved in the recent harassment or editing of related pages. In particular, it appears that every one of the IPs involved -- with two exceptions listed at the bottom -- is likely an open proxy or TOR node. I show entries from the meta.wikipedia global block log for some, WikiMedia Foundation stewards generally indef hard-block identified open proxy ranges, then deal with possible interference with legitimate [[editor]]s by suggesting IP block exemption.


This is for your information only, it is not a request for action.
This is for your information only, it is not a request for action.


I have only handled local admin tasks on a WMF wiki, and only very rarely used range blocks. So this was a new kind of investigation for me. I apologize for any inconvenience, I hope we can persuade Leucosticte to be less provocative. He will generally cooperate, if given clear boundaries. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 16:14, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
I have only handled local admin tasks on a WMF wiki, and only very rarely used range blocks. So this was a new kind of investigation for me. I apologize for any inconvenience, I hope we can persuade {{U|Leucosticte}} to be less provocative. He will generally cooperate, if given clear boundaries. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 16:14, 8 March 2014 (UTC)


==new spamming episode==
==new spamming episode==
Hi YiFei, I don't know if you are aware that spammers seem to be getting through and editing articles?  I've noticed two separate occurrences today (Monday 21 May).  If you check the edit histories of [[Wiki]] and [[Talk:WikiEngineTree]], you can get an idea of their latest methods of spamming.  Hope you will be able to update any of your abuse filter settings to counter them.
Hi YiFei, I don't know if you are aware that [[spam]]mers seem to be getting through and editing articles?  I've noticed two separate occurrences today (Monday 21 May).  If you check the edit histories of [[Wiki]] and [[Talk:WikiEngineTree]], you can get an idea of their latest methods of spamming.  Hope you will be able to update any of your abuse filter settings to counter them.


Hope you are well, and best regards :)  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 19:26, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Hope you are well, and best regards :)  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 19:26, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
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::::Filter 32 looks great, although I tweaked the grammar slightly, I hope that is ok (please revert if you wish).  You've done awesome work with all the abuse filters, and I think they are a massive improvement, so a huge thanks :))
::::Filter 32 looks great, although I tweaked the grammar slightly, I hope that is ok (please revert if you wish).  You've done awesome work with all the abuse filters, and I think they are a massive improvement, so a huge thanks :))


::::Just thinking out loud, could another filter be created (for new users only) which prevents new articles being created (and maybe existing articles editied) which don't include one of our main templates (the obvious being [[template:Wiki]] - but another could be [[template:NotAWiki]]), or one of our existing categories?  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 22:23, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
::::Just thinking out loud, could another filter be created (for new users only) which prevents new articles being created (and maybe existing articles editied) which don't include one of our [[:Category:Infobox templates|main templates]] (the obvious being [[template:Wiki]] - but another could be [[template:NotAWiki]]), or one of our existing [[Special:Categories|categories]]?  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 22:23, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for the grammar fix :)
:::::Thanks for the grammar fix :)


:::::And for "new articles with no main templates or categories"(?), could the filter only tag an edit or even just log the edit? IMO such edit might actually be useful. And what about wiki people and ideas? They usually don't have such main templates. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 03:15, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
:::::And for "new articles with no main templates or categories"(?), could the filter only tag an edit or even just log the edit? IMO such edit might actually be useful. And what about wiki people and ideas? They usually don't have such main templates. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 03:15, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
::::::I bow to your knowledge with the filters - you know far more about them than I do :)))).  For wiki people - can you restrict a filter to work in a specic namespace?  Maybe create one filter with one set of rules for our main namespace which needs either a template and/or a category, and a different filter for User: and User talk: namespaces with say differing rules - how about limiting it to five urls, and the url must contain the word <tt>wiki</tt> - afterall, most wiki people like to list any other wikis they edit.  As for wiki ideas - good question . . . maybe we just have to accept that only autoconfirmed users can create such articles.  Would any of those suggestions work?  Best  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 15:58, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
::::::I bow to your knowledge with the filters - you know far more about them than I do :)))).  For wiki people - can you restrict a filter to work in a specic namespace?  Maybe create one filter with one set of rules for our main namespace which needs either a [[template]] and/or a [[category]], and a different filter for [[User]]: and [[User talk]]: namespaces with say differing rules - how about limiting it to five urls, and the url must contain the word <tt>wiki</tt> - afterall, most wiki people like to list any other wikis they edit.  As for [[:Category:WikiIdea|wiki ideas]] - good question . . . maybe we just have to accept that only autoconfirmed users can create such articles.  Would any of those suggestions work?  Best  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 15:58, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks :D Could the filters be:  
:::::::Thanks :D Could the filters be:  
:::::::# New users (< 5 edits) and anons have to put either a template and/or a category to their new article, or else they will be given a warning (and nothing else?). There's no good way to automatically detect whether a template or category exists afaik.
:::::::# New users (< 5 edits) and anons have to put either a template and/or a category to their new article, or else they will be given a warning (and nothing else?). There's no good way to automatically detect whether a template or category exists afaik.
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==[[BackupPC wiki]]==
==[[BackupPC wiki]]==
You where setting engine=MediaWiki, please check again and confirm. See http://wikiindex.org/WikiIndex_talk:Community_portal#sourceforge.net_Wiki_engine.3F as well. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 14:09, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
You where setting engine=MediaWiki, please check again and confirm. See http:://WikiIndex.org/WikiIndex_talk:Community_portal#sourceforge.net_Wiki_engine.3F as well. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 14:09, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


==Jake4d==
==Jake4d==
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Is it necessary to create a [[redirect]] in case of pages that did not get used/linked to until then? Why not just delete? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 11:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Is it necessary to create a [[redirect]] in case of pages that did not get used/linked to until then? Why not just delete? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 11:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
:I'm not sure about deletions. If you feel that an image or a redirect should be deleted, feel free to put a {{tl|delete}} there. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 11:54, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
:I'm not sure about deletions. If you feel that an image or a redirect should be deleted, feel free to put a {{Template|delete}} there. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 11:54, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
::Redirects on files are a bad idea, as they'll then create a false positive link. YiFei, do you have ability to suppress creating redirects on page move?  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 16:25, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
::Redirects on files are a bad idea, as they'll then create a false positive link. YiFei, do you have ability to suppress creating redirects on page move?  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 16:25, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
:::Yes, I have the permission to suppress redirects. But I not sure what's a false positive link, and why is it bad. As you can see, Wikimedia Commons moves files all the time and most of the time there's no suppressing redirects. Since the image I moved was linked, I'd rather not suppress the redirect. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 00:15, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
:::Yes, I have the permission to suppress redirects. But I not sure what's a false positive link, and why is it bad. As you can see, [[Wikimedia Commons]] moves files all the time and most of the time there's no suppressing redirects. Since the image I moved was linked, I'd rather not suppress the redirect. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 00:15, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
::::When you create a redirect (without supressing the original) of a main namespace article, and then click on [[Special:WhatLinksHere]], the list of links clearly indicates redirects, and you are given the option to hide redirects.  However, on file namespace articles containing images, the old 'redirected' file name will show up below the image as a live link.  This isn't ideal if you wish to search for 'orphaned' images by selecting the File namespace from the [[Special:LonelyPages]] – hence my term 'false positive'.  WM Commons may be happy with that situation, and they have a massive army of editors (and probably bots) who can fix that.  Here at WikiIndex, we don't have the luxury of an army of editors.  :))  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 14:47, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
::::When you create a redirect (without supressing the original) of a main namespace article, and then click on [[Special:WhatLinksHere]], the list of links clearly indicates redirects, and you are given the option to hide redirects.  However, on file namespace articles containing images, the old 'redirected' file name will show up below the image as a live link.  This isn't ideal if you wish to search for 'orphaned' images by selecting the File namespace from the [[Special:LonelyPages]] – hence my term 'false positive'.  WM Commons may be happy with that situation, and they have a massive army of editors (and probably bots) who can fix that.  Here at WikiIndex, we don't have the luxury of an army of editors.  :))  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 14:47, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::And a massive army of web tools :) Thanks for the explanation, and I'll suppress the redirects. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 23:48, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::And a massive army of web tools :) Thanks for the explanation, and I'll suppress the redirects. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 23:48, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
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::::[[Special:CheckUser/108.46.0.0/16|CU this IP range]] doesn't do much. Does it? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 23:49, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
::::[[Special:CheckUser/108.46.0.0/16|CU this IP range]] doesn't do much. Does it? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 23:49, 22 August 2014 (UTC)


==Should we have alternative infoboxes besides Template:Wiki?==
==Should we have alternative [[:Category:Infobox templates|infoboxes]] besides [[Template:Wiki]]?==
Discussion [[WikiIndex talk:Community portal#Alternative Infoboxes|here]]. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] ([[User talk:MarvelZuvembie|talk]]) 19:46, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Discussion [[WikiIndex talk:Community portal#Alternative Infoboxes|here]]. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] ([[User talk:MarvelZuvembie|talk]]) 19:46, 27 August 2014 (UTC)


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==BOT==
==BOT==
I see work coming for Your diligent BOT: [[User talk:Hoof Hearted#WikiIndex:Add a Wiki]]
I see work coming for Your diligent BOT: [[User talk:Hoof Hearted#WikiIndex:Add a Wiki]]
:This one's hard o.O IMO it's the way that {{tl|Wiki}} works should be changed. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 09:06, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
:This one's hard o.O IMO it's the way that {{Template|Wiki}} works should be changed. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 09:06, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


Therefore I suggested fist to change the function and then to clean up (insert all missing lines) with the bot (one time). And, since the 'inactive' discussion remains endless, those Pages would have to be excluded from the run. Possibly there need to be several runs first in order to mark the pages which should be changed, to find out, which is a Wiki page and which not. There may be several pages which do not even have a trace of that template on them but are still (embryonic) Wiki pages. From that perspective this first run can be tried before the function is repaired. How to find Wiki pages that do not contain the Wiki template at all?  [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 11:10, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Therefore I suggested fist to change the function and then to clean up (insert all missing lines) with the bot (one time). And, since the 'inactive' discussion remains endless, those Pages would have to be excluded from the run. Possibly there need to be several runs first in order to mark the pages which should be changed, to find out, which is a Wiki page and which not. There may be several pages which do not even have a trace of that template on them but are still (embryonic) Wiki pages. From that perspective this first run can be tried before the function is repaired. How to find Wiki pages that do not contain the Wiki template at all?  [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 11:10, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
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A true one [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])
A true one [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


:: Well, Leucosticte had the article tagged {{tl|delete|Author request}} on September 1st (and unfortunately, he is the author), which is a valid reason for deletion. I see no reason to keep the orphaned talk page. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:49, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
:: Well, Leucosticte had the article tagged {{Template|delete|Author request}} on September 1st (and unfortunately, he is the author), which is a valid reason for deletion. I see no reason to keep the [[:Category:Orphaned talk page|orphaned talk page]]. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:49, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


: Does that mean articles becoming the property of the one who create the page? Do authors of later contributions not get any 'right'. What is the licence under which this Wiki stands? What if someone creates the page and another one the talk page? That could lead to another 'endless' discussion easily.....[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 10:47, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
: Does that mean articles becoming the property of the one who create the page? Do authors of later contributions not get any 'right'. What is the [[:Category:Wiki License|licence]] under which this Wiki stands? What if someone creates the page and another one the talk page? That could lead to another 'endless' discussion easily.....[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 10:47, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


: I forgot to answer Your question: The reason to keep an 'orphaned' talk page is, that before it becomes orphaned it would be the place to discuss the deletion if there are objections. And the deletion was neither undisputed nor urgent.[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 11:19, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
: I forgot to answer Your question: The reason to keep an [[:Category:Orphaned talk page|'orphaned' talk page]] is, that before it becomes orphaned it would be the place to discuss the deletion if there are objections. And the deletion was neither undisputed nor urgent.[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 11:19, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


::It's sort of a wiki tradition. See [[wp:Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#G7. Author requests deletion]]. With regard to the talk page, see [[wp:Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#G8. Pages dependent on a non-existent or deleted page]] for how Wikipedia handles that. Yeah, if the deletion discussion were carried on at the talk page, they would keep the talk page, but that almost never happens. [[RationalWiki]] does keep the talk pages of deleted subject pages. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 11:52, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
::It's sort of a wiki tradition. See {{W|Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#G7. Author requests deletion}}. With regard to the talk page, see {{W|Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#G8. Pages dependent on a non-existent or deleted page}} for how [[English Wikipedia]] handles that. Yeah, if the deletion discussion were carried on at the [[talk page]], they would keep the talk page, but that almost never happens. [[RationalWiki]] does keep the talk pages of deleted subject pages. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 11:52, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


: You want to argue on grounds of WP policies? Great! Than let us continue this little argument where it belongs: [[WikiIndex talk:Community portal#Who cares what rules Wikipedia supposedly follows.3F|Who cares what rules Wikipedia supposedly follows?]]
: You want to argue on grounds of WP policies? Great! Than let us continue this little argument where it belongs: [[WikiIndex talk:Community portal#Who cares what rules Wikipedia supposedly follows.3F|Who cares what rules Wikipedia supposedly follows?]]
::It's kind of like, if you're arguing a case in a U.S. Court of Appeals, mentioning how other circuits ruled on the issue. Those decisions aren't binding on the court that will be ruling in your case, but they could be [[wp:Precedent#Persuasive precedent|persuasive]]. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 13:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
::It's kind of like, if you're arguing a case in a U.S. Court of Appeals, mentioning how other circuits ruled on the issue. Those decisions aren't binding on the court that will be ruling in your case, but they could be {{W|Precedent#Persuasive precedent|persuasive}}. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 13:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


:Haha, that's so funny that You use the word persuasive ;-) I just thought of that in [[User talk:Leucosticte#Deletion requests|my reply on Your talk page]] [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 13:27, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
:Haha, that's so funny that You use the word persuasive ;-) I just thought of that in [[User talk:Leucosticte#Deletion requests|my reply on Your talk page]] [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 13:27, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
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No causalities ;-)  [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 14:27, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
No causalities ;-)  [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 14:27, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


:Why not use [[Special:AllPages/MediaWiki:]] instead of a category?
:Why not use [[Special:AllPages/MediaWiki:]] instead of a [[category]]?
::I'm not the either/or kind a guy. I'm more as well as.
::I'm not the either/or kind a guy. I'm more as well as.
:::I'm more of "either or" kind. If one is already functional, I consider the other duplicated or obsolete. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:43, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
:::I'm more of "either or" kind. If one is already functional, I consider the other duplicated or obsolete. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:43, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
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:There're other messages interpreted as raw.  
:There're other messages interpreted as raw.  
::Means?
::Means?
:::See [[:mw:Manual:Messages API#Output modes and escaping]], for plain() and text() --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:43, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
:::See {{Mw|Manual:Messages API#Output modes and escaping}}, for plain() and text() --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:43, 30 September 2014 (UTC)


:Eg. [[MediaWiki:Toc]]. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 15:01, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
:Eg. [[MediaWiki:Toc]]. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 15:01, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
::OK, I didn't 'create' a test wiki, I used one. But I proved You wrong, dindn't I?. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])
::OK, I didn't 'create' a test wiki, I used one. But I proved You wrong, dindn't I?. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])
:::Yes, you proved me wrong in [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]], but not the others. I cannot go and tag all pages without being sure it's 100% safe. If you seriously need Category:MediaWikiSystem, I'll go and read [https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-core/blob/master/includes/Message.php Message.php] ([[:mw:Manual:Message.php|manual]]) --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:43, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
:::Yes, you proved me wrong in [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]], but not the others. I cannot go and tag all pages without being sure it's 100% safe. If you seriously need Category:MediaWikiSystem, I'll go and read [[GitHub:wikimedia/mediawiki-core/blob/master/includes/Message.php|Message.php]] ({{Mw|Manual:Message.php|manual}}) --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:43, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 
===Excerpt from: [[meta-wiki:Help:Template#Noinclude, includeonly, and onlyinclude|Help:Template]]===


==Excerpt from: [[Meta-Wiki:Help:Template#Noinclude, includeonly, and onlyinclude|Help:Template]]==
===Noinclude, includeonly, and onlyinclude===
===Noinclude, includeonly, and onlyinclude===
This feature is not available before version 1.6. These features are applied as nesting pairs, or 'Blocks', as it is said they enclose the material so that they can be said to begin and end a block of wikitext (code).
This feature is not available before version 1.6. These features are applied as nesting pairs, or 'Blocks', as it is said they enclose the material so that they can be said to begin and end a block of wikitext (code).
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Anything between <code>&lt;noinclude></code> and <code>&lt;/noinclude></code> will be processed and displayed only when the page is being viewed directly; it will not be included or substituted.
Anything between <code>&lt;noinclude></code> and <code>&lt;/noinclude></code> will be processed and displayed only when the page is being viewed directly; it will not be included or substituted.
Possible applications are:
Possible applications are:
 
# Categorising templates, see [[Meta-Wiki:Help:Template documentation|template documentation]];
# Categorising templates, see [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Template_documentation template documentation].
# [[Meta-Wiki:Help:Interwiki_linking|Interlanguage links]] to similar templates in other languages;
# [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Interwiki_linking Interlanguage link]s to similar templates in other languages.
# Pages in the [[Meta-Wiki:Help:System message|MediaWiki namespace]].
# Pages in the [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:System_message MediaWiki namespace].
--Is that save enough? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 09:29, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 
--
Is that save enough? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 09:29, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
:<s>No, interface messages are different from template transclusion :P --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 11:11, 30 September 2014 (UTC)</s>
:<s>No, interface messages are different from template transclusion :P --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 11:11, 30 September 2014 (UTC)</s>
:I'll do testings on this later (after a week as I'll be away). Meanwhile, could you get consensus for this? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 11:29, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
:I'll do testings on this later (after a week as I'll be away). Meanwhile, could you get consensus for this? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 11:29, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
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==[[WikiIndex:Teamwork Info]]==
==[[WikiIndex:Teamwork Info]]==
This is a proposal for a new wiki community related feature.
This is a proposal for a new [[wiki community]] related feature. I hope You like the idea and find a way to integrate this table on Your User Page.
 
I hope You like the idea and find a way to integrate this table on Your User Page.
{|class="wikitable sortable" style="background:#ff9900; color:#300080"
{|class="wikitable sortable" style="background:#ff9900; color:#300080"
!online accessibility!!e-mail!!commitment!!exeptions!!UTC!!skills!!duty!!rank!!propensities
!online accessibility!!e-mail!!commitment!!exeptions!!UTC!!skills!!duty!!rank!!propensities
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==Preventing account creation==
==Preventing account creation==
It there any possibility to prevent the creation of an account of a specific name like "0000000000000" without having this name in the list [[Special:ListUsers]]? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 12:39, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
It there any possibility to prevent the creation of an account of a specific name like "0000000000000" without having this name in the list [[Special:ListUsers]]? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 12:39, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 
*I think I got the answer: {{Mw|Extension:TitleBlacklist}}
* I think I got the answer: [[mw:Extension:TitleBlacklist]]
*"This extension is bundled with MediaWiki 1.21" So it should be available.
* "This extension is bundled with MediaWiki 1.21" So it should be available.
*But it seems to be not available [[Special:Version]]
* But it seems to be not available [[Special:Version]]
[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 13:01, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 13:01, 16 October 2014 (UTC)


* Created a new Category: [[:Category:AccountToBeBlocked]] [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 20:25, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
*Created a new Category: [[:Category:AccountToBeBlocked]] [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 20:25, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
::That was [[Special:AbuseFilter/20]] and now is [[Special:ConfirmAccounts]]. However, I don't think it's necessary to block [[:Category:AccountToBeBlocked]] --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 09:19, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
::That was [[Special:AbuseFilter/20]] and now is [[Special:ConfirmAccounts]]. However, I don't think it's necessary to block [[:Category:AccountToBeBlocked]] --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 09:19, 21 October 2014 (UTC)


:Could You delete all those accounts that match [[Special:AbuseFilter/20]]? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])
:Could You delete all those accounts that match [[Special:AbuseFilter/20]]? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


:Do these special abuse filters replace [[mw:Extension:TitleBlacklist]] functionally? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])
:Do these special abuse filters replace {{Mw|Extension:TitleBlacklist}} functionally? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])
::*Deleting accounts is not possible without direct database access.*They can replace. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 12:47, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
::*Deleting accounts is not possible without direct database access. *They can replace. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 12:47, 22 October 2014 (UTC)


*Who is they and what can they replace?
*Who is they and what can they replace?
*what can be done to get those dysfunctional accounts out of the [[Special:ListUsers]] and statistics? We got an ratio 500:1 registered to active users. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 15:18, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
*what can be done to get those dysfunctional accounts out of the [[Special:ListUsers]] and statistics? We got an ratio 500:1 registered to active users. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 15:18, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
:*Abuse filters can replace [[mw:Extension:TitleBlacklist]] functionally theoretically, but could be harder to work with.
:*Abuse filters can replace {{Mw|Extension:TitleBlacklist}} functionally theoretically, but could be harder to work with.
:*[[mw:Extension:UserMerge]] (delete after merge; can't merge blocked accounts) But why would be dysfunctional accounts be a problem anyways? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 15:36, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
:*{{Mw|Extension:UserMerge}} (delete after merge; can't merge blocked accounts) But why would be dysfunctional accounts be a problem anyways? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 15:36, 22 October 2014 (UTC)


*The right hideuser see: [[mw:Manual:User rights#List of permissions]] would do the trick.
*The right hideuser see: {{Mw|Manual:User rights#List of permissions}} would do the trick.
*The account would still exist, but be blocked and not show up in userlist.
*The account would still exist, but be blocked and not show up in userlist.
*That would enable to turn the bulky list into something managable. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 16:20, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
*That would enable to turn the bulky list into something managable. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 16:20, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
*:Well, that one of the oversighter's rights. Could you ask for that at [[WikiIndex:Upgrades needed]]? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 02:18, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
*:Well, that one of the [[oversight]]er's rights. Could you ask for that at [[WikiIndex:Upgrades needed]]? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 02:18, 25 October 2014 (UTC)


I think no upgrade is needed, see [[mw:Manual:RevisionDelete#Enabling|Enabling 'hideuser']] because Extension Oversighter is integrated since 1.6 but disabled by default. What I'm not sure is, if one has to become oversighter in order to get that right, or if the bureaucrat can assign it to just any user?? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 07:17, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
I think no upgrade is needed, see {{Mw|Manual:RevisionDelete#Enabling|Enabling 'hideuser'}} because {{Mw|Extension:Oversighter}} is integrated since 1.6 but disabled by default. What I'm not sure is, if one has to become oversighter in order to get that right, or if the [[bureaucrat]] can assign it to just any user?? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 07:17, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
: Bureaucrat can change a user's user groups, but not [[Special:ListGroupRights|user group rights]]. They are stored in LocalSettings.php, a configuration file in the backend. To change the file requires "upgrade" (a way of saying backend changes). Oversighter is a wikimedia user group that hides information, but its name doesn't have to be "oversighter". Which groups can hideuser only depends on the configuration. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 07:49, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
: Bureaucrat can change a user's [[:Category:User group|user groups]], but not [[Special:ListGroupRights|user group rights]]. They are stored in LocalSettings.php, a configuration file in the backend. To change the file requires "upgrade" (a way of saying backend changes). Oversighter is a wikimedia user group that hides information, but its name doesn't have to be "oversighter". Which groups can hideuser only depends on the configuration. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 07:49, 25 October 2014 (UTC)


I've installed TitleBlacklist (the bundling is only for new installations, I think).  The hideuser right lets you hide usernames on logs, but it doesn't affect the user list, as far as I know. [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] ([[User talk:Emufarmers|talk]]) 20:37, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
I've installed {{Mw|Extension:TitleBlacklist}} (the bundling is only for new installations, I think).  The hideuser right lets you hide usernames on logs, but it doesn't affect the user list, as far as I know. [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] ([[User talk:Emufarmers|talk]]) 20:37, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
:{{done}} ok is available now :-) [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 18:31, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
:{{done}} ok is available now :-) [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 18:31, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


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:block next time --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:35, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
:block next time --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:35, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


What do You think, is the comment here a reason to block an IP? http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Exhilaration_Animation_Wiki&curid=43331&diff=185910&oldid=185901 [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 10:58, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
What do You think, is the comment here a reason to block an IP? https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Exhilaration_Animation_Wiki&curid=43331&diff=185910&oldid=185901 [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 10:58, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
:Revision deleted --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:15, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
:Revision deleted --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:15, 21 November 2014 (UTC)


OK, what about semiprotection of pages where those kind of incidents happened? Thing is, You can not talk to that [[IP editor]] and tell him what not to do. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 11:33, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
OK, what about semi-protection of pages where those kind of incidents happened? Thing is, You can not talk to that [[IP editor]] and tell him what not to do. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 11:33, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
:I don't see repeated vandalism. Or am I wrong? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 11:44, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
:I don't see repeated [[vandal]]ism. Or am I wrong? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 11:44, 21 November 2014 (UTC)


It is one of the pages "Sweetie against the rest of the world" ;-) But this is not my point. If any IP-editor forces any sysop to make a little jump (delete-undelete), than measures should be taken to prevent further hiccups. Since you can not talk to an IP-editor, by semi-protecting the page the IP-editor would be forced to show flag, if he wishes to continue this. Also this wiki is only a bliki. So not really anybody else but the bliki owner would be affected.
It is one of the pages "Sweetie against the rest of the world" ;-) But this is not my point. If any IP-editor forces any [[sysop]] to make a little jump (delete-undelete), than measures should be taken to prevent further hiccups. Since you can not talk to an IP-editor, by semi-protecting the page the IP-editor would be forced to show flag, if he wishes to continue this. Also this wiki is only a bliki. So not really anybody else but the bliki owner would be affected.
:Protection are for repeated cases imo. If the IP doesn't come back, no need for protection. Otherwise, that a clear indication of repeating vandalism, so a protection would be necessary. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 02:19, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
:Protection are for repeated cases imo. If the IP doesn't come back, no need for protection. Otherwise, that a clear indication of repeating vandalism, so a protection would be necessary. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 02:19, 22 November 2014 (UTC)


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==[[User:Llwy-ar-lawr]]==
==[[User:Llwy-ar-lawr]]==
i'd like to request a ban of said user, as she has a personal vendetta against the users of [[Uncyclopedia]] and [[Darthipedia]], as evidenced on Talk:Brony Denza. [[User:Sweetie Belle|Sweetie Belle]] ([[User talk:Sweetie Belle|talk]]) 16:37, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
i'd like to request a ban of said [[user]], as she has a personal vendetta against the users of [[Uncyclopedia]] and [[Darthipedia]], as evidenced on Talk:Brony Denza. [[User:Sweetie Belle|Sweetie Belle]] ([[User talk:Sweetie Belle|talk]]) 16:37, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
:I don't process user problems (unless they are clear cases). Please request this elsewhere. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:00, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
:I don't process user problems (unless they are clear cases). Please request this elsewhere. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:00, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
::I have no such vendetta; it is clearly the other way round. Simply attempting to improve the wiki does not constitute a vendetta, but criticising such attempts, in this case, does. [[User:Llwy-ar-lawr|Llwy-ar-lawr]] ([[User talk:Llwy-ar-lawr|talk]]) 22:58, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
::I have no such vendetta; it is clearly the other way round. Simply attempting to improve the wiki does not constitute a vendetta, but criticising such attempts, in this case, does. [[User:Llwy-ar-lawr|Llwy-ar-lawr]] ([[User talk:Llwy-ar-lawr|talk]]) 22:58, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
:::Sorry. Perhaps I should have worded my request better. I didn't mean to request a full block of Llwy-ar-lawr, but rather I wanted to request that she be barred from editing any topics pertaining to [[Uncyclopedia]] or [[Darthipedia]] on this wiki. This isn't so much a user problem (two users raising issues against each other) as it is a severe bias problem (one user raising issues against two communities on this wiki) that compromises the integrity and facts presented in the edits of myself and others. It's not my intention to bring wiki-drama or warring to WikiIndex, but to clarify what I mean: Llwy-ar-lawr is a former administrator on Uncyclopedia who has since been banned for reasons I'm not familiar with, and in recent weeks, she's taken to reverting any edits to articles relating to said wiki and inserting her own bias against the community to paint the wiki and its members in an ugly light, while simultaneously promoting her own wiki(s) in the process. Elsewhere, Llwy was apparently banned from another wiki called Darthipedia for [[vandal]]ism and [[sockpuppet]]eering under the name Snarglefoop, and now she's [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Talk:Brony_Denza&oldid=185383 trying to have articles related to the topic deleted] because it's a "backwater troll wiki" in her view. When I spoke to her on IRC about this, I was told she would create one or two sockpuppet accounts on WikiIndex in the event she were to be banned, and any future edits would be reverted by her "army", and then she proceeded to spam me with an image of a mauled vagina. Regardless of whether or not you see it fit to ban her or her other accounts, what I'm requesting is that her edits be restricted to articles related to topics ''other than'' Uncyclopedia (and possibly even Darthipedia) as a means of countering these issues. Alternatively, I would also suggest protecting these articles from being edited by basic users. Having said that, I do understand that you don't typically process such requests, so if you're unable or unwilling, who would be the best administrator to get in contact with concerning this issue? Thank you in advance and sorry if this message comes as a bother. [[User:Sweetie Belle|Sweetie Belle]] ([[User talk:Sweetie Belle|talk]]) 04:11, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
:::Sorry. Perhaps I should have worded my request better. I didn't mean to request a full block of Llwy-ar-lawr, but rather I wanted to request that she be barred from editing any topics pertaining to [[Uncyclopedia]] or [[Darthipedia]] on this wiki. This isn't so much a user problem (two users raising issues against each other) as it is a severe bias problem (one user raising issues against two communities on this wiki) that compromises the integrity and facts presented in the edits of myself and others. It's not my intention to bring wiki-drama or warring to [[WikiIndex]], but to clarify what I mean: Llwy-ar-lawr is a former [[administrator]] on Uncyclopedia who has since been banned for reasons I'm not familiar with, and in recent weeks, she's taken to [[revert]]ing any edits to articles relating to said wiki and inserting her own bias against the community to paint the wiki and its members in an ugly light, while simultaneously promoting her own wiki(s) in the process. Elsewhere, Llwy was apparently banned from another wiki called Darthipedia for [[vandal]]ism and [[sockpuppet]]eering under the name Snarglefoop, and now she's [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Talk:Brony_Denza&oldid=185383 trying to have articles related to the topic deleted] because it's a "backwater troll wiki" in her view. When I spoke to her on IRC about this, I was told she would create one or two sockpuppet accounts on WikiIndex in the event she were to be banned, and any future edits would be reverted by her "army", and then she proceeded to spam me with an image of a mauled vagina. Regardless of whether or not you see it fit to ban her or her other accounts, what I'm requesting is that her edits be restricted to articles related to topics ''other than'' Uncyclopedia (and possibly even Darthipedia) as a means of countering these issues. Alternatively, I would also suggest protecting these articles from being edited by basic users. Having said that, I do understand that you don't typically process such requests, so if you're unable or unwilling, who would be the best administrator to get in contact with concerning this issue? Thank you in advance and sorry if this message comes as a bother. [[User:Sweetie Belle|Sweetie Belle]] ([[User talk:Sweetie Belle|talk]]) 04:11, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
::::Could you ask Mark? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 04:46, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
::::Could you ask Mark? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 04:46, 12 November 2014 (UTC)


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==Less protection==
==Less protection==
Would You lower the level of protection for this page or correct the mistake Sean did by freezing Nathans edit? [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki#Policy pages]]. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:58, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Would You lower the level of protection for this page or correct the mistake [[Sean]] did by freezing Nathans edit? [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki#Policy pages]]. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:58, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
:The page Manorainjan refers to is not the page he linked, it is [[WikiIndex:Protected page]], [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex:Protected_page&action=history history].
:The page {{U|Manorainjan}} refers to is not the page he linked, it is [[WikiIndex:Protected page]], [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex:Protected_page&action=history history].


:That sequence was unfortunate. Hoof Hearted has not edited WikiIndex since then (September 22). Manorainjan is a difficult user, and my sense is that Hoof Hearted's fuses blew. Difficult users push the edges of administrators, and it is too much for some. I'd hope HH comes back. Maybe those who know him can encourage that. Everyone makes mistakes, and especially admins can make mistakes dealing with difficult users. That's why we need community. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 22:40, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
:That sequence was unfortunate. {{U|Hoof Hearted}} has not edited WikiIndex since then (September 22). Manorainjan is a difficult [[user]], and my sense is that Hoof Hearted's fuses blew. Difficult users push the edges of [[administrator]]s, and it is too much for some. I'd hope HH comes back. Maybe those who know him can encourage that. Everyone makes mistakes, and especially admins can make mistakes dealing with difficult users. That's why we need community. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 22:40, 3 December 2014 (UTC)


I intentionally linked to the chapter about that page for showing the story first. [[Special:Contributions/178.11.224.164|178.11.224.164]] 07:29, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
I intentionally linked to the chapter about that page for showing the story first. [[Special:Contributions/178.11.224.164|178.11.224.164]] 07:29, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
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==[[AddYourOwn]]==
==[[AddYourOwn]]==
This wiki is down and archived. Im unable to add the proper url on account of triggering the spam filter. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 15:17, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
This wiki is down and [[:Category:Archived|archived]]. Im unable to add the proper url on account of triggering the spam filter. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 15:17, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
:Should be fixed --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:13, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
:Should be fixed --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:13, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
::You whitelisted. However, I could not find the active blacklist entry. The WikiIndex blacklist was adopted from the Wikipedia blacklist, which can be ragged. The global blacklist likewise; it is, however, more thorough, and items are generally removed from the Wikipedia list when they are globally blacklisted. We have a very short local blacklist on en.wikiversity. Ideally, the message users receive when they attempt to add a blacklisted entry should explain clearly what to do if one has a legitimate purpose. Mostly, it's arcane and obscure, I've studied what happens with a major web site that was blacklisted. Most users just give up. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 15:25, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
::You whitelisted. However, I could not find the active blacklist entry. The WikiIndex blacklist was adopted from the Wikipedia blacklist, which can be ragged. The global blacklist likewise; it is, however, more thorough, and items are generally removed from the Wikipedia list when they are globally blacklisted. We have a very short local blacklist on En.Wikiversity. Ideally, the message users receive when they attempt to add a blacklisted entry should explain clearly what to do if one has a legitimate purpose. Mostly, it's arcane and obscure, I've studied what happens with a major web site that was blacklisted. Most users just give up. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 15:25, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
:::It is the "wn.com" part that triggered the blacklist. However, a quick search shows nothing related. I'll code a script for this --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 10:38, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
:::It is the "wn.com" part that triggered the blacklist. However, a quick search shows nothing related. I'll code a script for this --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 10:38, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
:::Can't find the source with python --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 11:23, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
:::Can't find the source with python --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 11:23, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
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==The hacker does not exist==
==The hacker does not exist==
[[User:HAL-9000]] is a global [[vandal]]. There is no hacker. You can see that he is [[wp:Special:CentralAuth/SuperWindows|locked on Wikimedia]], [https://www.thetestwiki.org/wiki/User:Windowseditor90 blocked on The Test Wiki]... do not let him another chance. [[Special:Contributions/79.41.169.216|79.41.169.216]]  
[[User:HAL-9000]] is a global [[vandal]]. There is no hacker. You can see that he is {{W|Special:CentralAuth/SuperWindows|locked on Wikimedia}}, [https://www.TheTestWiki.org/wiki/User:Windowseditor90 blocked on The Test Wiki]... do not let him another chance. [[Special:Contributions/79.41.169.216|79.41.169.216]]  
:How do You know, that SuperWindows and WindowsEditor90 are used by the same person? [[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 07:56, 6 June 2015 (PDT)
:How do You know, that SuperWindows and WindowsEditor90 are used by the same person? [[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 07:56, 6 June 2015 (PDT)
::I can confirm, as I am the owner of both accounts. [[Special:Contributions/79.41.169.216|79.41.169.216]] 08:34, 6 June 2015 (PDT)
::I can confirm, as I am the owner of both accounts. [[Special:Contributions/79.41.169.216|79.41.169.216]] 08:34, 6 June 2015 (PDT)


==Weird magic words and redlinks==
==Weird magic words and [[red link]]s==
'''See [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Welcome&diff=0&oldid=190081 here]''' For some reason, ''sometimes'' the [[Main Page]] renders "Welcome, <nowiki>{{CURRENTUSER}}</nowiki>" (with CURRENTUSER in red) and sometimes not. Both with your preferred edit and the one I made. Both logged in and not. So weird. Plus, several links on the front page are mysteriously red even though they definitely lead to pages. Anyway, I don't think that your edit was a problem, as it happened after I reverted as well. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 19:43, 21 June 2015 (PDT)
'''See [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Welcome&diff=0&oldid=190081 here]''' For some reason, ''sometimes'' the [[Wiki main page|Main Page]] renders "Welcome, <nowiki>{{CURRENTUSER}}</nowiki>" (with CURRENTUSER in red) and sometimes not. Both with your preferred edit and the one I made. Both logged in and not. So weird. Plus, several links on the front page are mysteriously red even though they definitely lead to pages. Anyway, I don't think that your edit was a problem, as it happened after I reverted as well. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 19:43, 21 June 2015 (PDT)
:I have no idea what is going on with those magic words, as I don't have access to the backend. Besides, the <nowiki>{{CURRENTUSER}}</nowiki> in red link happens to me, but rarely, so it's hard for me to do some debugs and find the error. Maybe [[User:Jason|Jason]], [[User:BrandonCsSanders|BrandonCsSanders]] and [[Ray King]] know? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 19:57, 21 June 2015 (PDT)
:I have no idea what is going on with those magic words, as I don't have access to the backend. Besides, the <nowiki>{{CURRENTUSER}}</nowiki> in red link happens to me, but rarely, so it's hard for me to do some debugs and find the error. Maybe [[User:Jason|Jason]], [[User:BrandonCsSanders|BrandonCsSanders]] and [[Ray King]] know? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 19:57, 21 June 2015 (PDT)
::'''Tech support''' I considered saying something to one of them (does Jason work on the backend of the site) but it didn't seem that important. I don't know if you're interested but Manorainjan is talking to me on my talk page on an admin-related issue which is actually of some consequence to you. I deleted a blank userpage in part because of your actions in the past of deleting them (I don't have any strong feelings on it but if you're going to do it anyway, it seems non-controversial for me to do it). I don't know if you want to weigh in but I figured I'd mention it since we're talking anyway. Thanks. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 20:00, 21 June 2015 (PDT)
::'''Tech support''' I considered saying something to one of them (does Jason work on the backend of the site) but it didn't seem that important. I don't know if you're interested but Manorainjan is talking to me on my talk page on an admin-related issue which is actually of some consequence to you. I deleted a blank userpage in part because of your actions in the past of deleting them (I don't have any strong feelings on it but if you're going to do it anyway, it seems non-controversial for me to do it). I don't know if you want to weigh in but I figured I'd mention it since we're talking anyway. Thanks. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 20:00, 21 June 2015 (PDT)
:::"Blank pages should be red links" was Sean's idea, and I do support it. However, I don't think [[:Category:AccountUsedNot]] has any value at all. Whether an account is used or not can be determined by checking contribs, logs, and deleted contribs at any time. And as for those structure categories, maybe I would go with the wikimedia method of using category redirects. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 20:19, 21 June 2015 (PDT)
:::"Blank pages should be red links" was [[Sean|Sean's]] idea, and I do support it. However, I don't think Category:AccountUsedNot has any value at all. Whether an account is used or not can be determined by checking contribs, logs, and deleted contribs at any time. And as for those structure categories, maybe I would go with the wikimedia method of using category redirects. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 20:19, 21 June 2015 (PDT)
:::I can only say that main page problem is something related to parser cache. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 21:23, 21 June 2015 (PDT)
:::I can only say that main page problem is something related to parser cache. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 21:23, 21 June 2015 (PDT)


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