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In my opinion, it would be very helpful to suggest [[WikiNode]]-like pages within the [[ | '''Proposal:WikiIndex Pages on indexed Wikis''' | ||
==Proposal== | |||
In my opinion, it would be very helpful to suggest [[WikiNode]]-like pages within the [[wiki]] sites [[:Category:All|we list here]] as an entry point to manage the actuality of our contents by the [[user]]s of those wikis themselves. | |||
They and we will be better supported | They and we will be better supported | ||
*Wiki Name — detect whether the wiki in question is listed or not and under which name | *Wiki Name — detect whether the wiki in question is listed or not and under which name | ||
*Wiki Data — sometimes the engines are so strange that we can not retrieve size or statistics or edit mode and so on... (for instance page count for [[:Category:DokuWiki|DokuWiki engine]] based wikis). | *Wiki Data — sometimes the engines are so strange that we can not retrieve size or statistics or [[:Category:Edit Mode|edit mode]] and so on... (for instance page count for [[:Category:DokuWiki|DokuWiki engine]] based wikis). | ||
I started a test on [[DseWiki]][http://wikiservice.at/dse/wiki.cgi?WikiIndex] that was accepted. | I started a test on [[DseWiki]][http://wikiservice.at/dse/wiki.cgi?WikiIndex] that was accepted. | ||
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Yes, that's what I want to say. --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 15:03, 3 October 2007 (EDT) | Yes, that's what I want to say. --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 15:03, 3 October 2007 (EDT) | ||
:I like this idea. | :I like this idea. Let the people at that wiki update their own information, without having to come over to the unfamiliar-to-them WikiIndex. | ||
:So are you saying that, after the people at that wiki update their version of the page, sometime later the page about that wiki at WikiIndex would be completely replaced with their version? | :So are you saying that, after the people at that wiki update their version of the page, sometime later the page about that wiki at WikiIndex would be completely replaced with their version? | ||
:Initially this could be done manually ... and it shouldn't be too difficult for anyone to create a "bot" that would do this if the remote wiki uses the [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] syntax. (A little bit harder to translate if the remote wiki uses some other syntax). | :Initially this could be done manually ... and it shouldn't be too difficult for anyone to create a "bot" that would do this if the remote wiki uses the [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] syntax. (A little bit harder to translate if the remote wiki uses some other syntax). | ||
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==S23== | ==S23== | ||
I am not sure I understand what is being suggested here. With respect to maintaining the wiki pages in WikiIndex up-to-date I suspect the onus is on the owners of the wiki sites. I say this because as far as I know WikiIndex is not 'automatic' (unlike [ | I am not sure I understand what is being suggested here. With respect to maintaining the wiki pages in WikiIndex up-to-date I suspect the onus is on the owners of the wiki sites. I say this because as far as I know WikiIndex is not 'automatic' (unlike [https://EditThis.info/wiki/Main_Page]); people have to actively create a page for their wiki site in WikiIndex. Secondly, it would be good to copy the bot used by the guys at [[S23-Wiki|S23]] (see for example [http://s23.org/wikistats/mediawikis_html.php?sort=good_desc,total_desc&th=100&lines=2026]). They collect the raw stats each day to update their lists. This model could be used by WikiIndex in order to keep the 'pages' parameter as accurate as possible. --'''[[User:Spud Gun|<FONT COLOR=#8B3A3A>Carl McBride</FONT>]]''' ([[User talk:Spud Gun|talk]]) 04:59, 4 October 2007 (EDT) | ||
:One could also open "[[Special:ListUsers/sysop]]" on all > 28k wikis and then extract the [[User]]: page(s) being linked from there, and then paste the "advertisement"-text on those [[User talk]] pages. That doesn't look so much like spam then but should still notify all those wiki admins. I could probably provide a list of all Admin user_page links from my wikistats database as well. This is all just valid for MediaWikis though. I am also interested in more cooperation between WikiIndex and S23, f.e. linking to the according WikiIndex page from my stats and including my stats on your wiki pages,, or stuff like that. The problem is that we don't have globally unique names for wikis. - The guy from [[S23-Wiki | :One could also open "[[Special:ListUsers/sysop]]" on all > 28k wikis and then extract the [[User]]: page(s) being linked from there, and then paste the "advertisement"-text on those [[User talk]] pages. That doesn't look so much like spam then but should still notify all those wiki admins. I could probably provide a list of all Admin user_page links from my wikistats database as well. This is all just valid for MediaWikis though. I am also interested in more cooperation between WikiIndex and S23, f.e. linking to the according WikiIndex page from my stats and including my stats on your wiki pages,, or stuff like that. The problem is that we don't have globally unique names for wikis. - The guy from [[S23-Wiki|S23 wikistats]]. [[User:Mutante|Mutante]] 03:53, 13 October 2007 (EDT) | ||
==Still confused== | ==Still confused== | ||
I don't think I have fully understood the nature of a '[[WikiNode]]'. Is it something more than an inter-connected [[:Category:Directory|directory]] listing of wikis? If not, then I think WikiIndex is ideal as it is. The main improvement could be to encourage a complete [[Special:Categories|categorisation]] of the entries in WikiIndex. People can then navigate to related wiki via the category pages. However, like I said, as yet I am not sure of the WikiNode concept. Can anyone explain it to me in layman's terms? --[[User:Spud Gun | | I don't think I have fully understood the nature of a '[[WikiNode]]'. Is it something more than an inter-connected [[:Category:Directory|directory]] listing of wikis? If not, then I think WikiIndex is ideal as it is. The main improvement could be to encourage a complete [[Special:Categories|categorisation]] of the entries in WikiIndex. People can then navigate to related wiki via the category pages. However, like I said, as yet I am not sure of the WikiNode concept. Can anyone explain it to me in layman's terms? --'''[[User:Spud Gun|<FONT COLOR=#8B3A3A>Carl McBride</FONT>]]''' ([[User talk:Spud Gun|talk]]) 05:28, 5 October 2007 (EDT) | ||
:I'm confused as well. Could you create http://www. | :I'm confused as well. Could you create http://www.ChicagoCoop.net/wiki/WikiIndex on my [[ChicagoCoop.net]] wiki, so I can see more what this means? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 11:50, 7 October 2007 (EDT) | ||
::done, what do you think about it? --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 14:54, 7 October 2007 (EDT) | ::done, what do you think about it? --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 14:54, 7 October 2007 (EDT) | ||
:::It seems [[spam]]my to me. I love the idea of contacting wikis. How can we do it in a non-spammy way? A while back I was working on the [[WikiNodes Wiki]] project here at [[WikiIndex]], and we struggled with this same issue. How, for example, can we be of service to the wiki we're contacting? A [[WikiNode]] seems like a useful tool for each wiki. We can link back to [[WikiIndex]], and their WikiIndex article from a WikiNode as well. That seems somehow less spammy than a WikiIndex article on their wiki. peace, [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 15:29, 7 October 2007 (EDT) | :::It seems [[spam]]my to me. I love the idea of contacting wikis. How can we do it in a non-spammy way? A while back I was working on the [[WikiNodes Wiki]] project here at [[WikiIndex]], and we struggled with this same issue. How, for example, can we be of service to the wiki we're contacting? A [[WikiNode]] seems like a useful tool for each wiki. We can link back to [[WikiIndex]], and their WikiIndex article from a WikiNode as well. That seems somehow less spammy than a WikiIndex article on their wiki. peace, [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 15:29, 7 October 2007 (EDT) | ||
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===Advertising=== | ===Advertising=== | ||
Dear [[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]], I see now what you are driving at. However, I agree with [[TedErnst]]; it does look somewhat unsolicited. I would definitely drop the internal links; how many non-IT wikis have a page on [[CamelCase]]? Maybe a less intrusive form would be to create a '[[stub]]' page for said wiki (i.e. seed the initiative) in WikiIndex, then leave a note on the wikis Talk:Main_Page. I suspect however that this is a huge task, for example, the chaps at S23 have a list of 28,857 wikis (see [http://s23.org/wikistats/index.php Wiki Stats]). A pretty good robot script would have to be written, although it would probably be blocked by reCAPTCHA. I also suspect that a number of these wikis are 'wikis for a day', i.e. someone has downloaded the wiki software and played with it for a day, but then loose interest. At least with the present set-up at WikiIndex, having to write ones own page here is a type of filter, thus choosing wikis that are more 'serious'. --[[User:Spud Gun | | Dear [[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]], I see now what you are driving at. However, I agree with [[TedErnst]]; it does look somewhat unsolicited. I would definitely drop the internal links; how many non-IT wikis have a page on [[CamelCase]]? Maybe a less intrusive form would be to create a '[[stub]]' page for said wiki (i.e. seed the initiative) in WikiIndex, then leave a note on the wikis Talk:Main_Page. I suspect however that this is a huge task, for example, the chaps at S23 have a list of 28,857 wikis (see [http://s23.org/wikistats/index.php Wiki Stats]). A pretty good robot script would have to be written, although it would probably be blocked by reCAPTCHA. I also suspect that a number of these wikis are 'wikis for a day', i.e. someone has downloaded the wiki software and played with it for a day, but then loose interest. At least with the present set-up at WikiIndex, having to write ones own page here is a type of filter, thus choosing wikis that are more 'serious'. --'''[[User:Spud Gun|<FONT COLOR=#8B3A3A>Carl McBride</FONT>]]''' ([[User talk:Spud Gun|talk]]) 05:09, 8 October 2007 (EDT) | ||
:Now that I have 'got the idea' I have added a WikiNode page to ''my'' (really it is a wiki for ''everyone''...) wiki [http://www.sklogwiki.org/SklogWiki/index.php/WikiNode SklogWiki]. I have also updated the long unused 'wikinode URL' (until now I didn't know what it was for) parameter on [[SklogWiki]]'s WikiIndex entry. Many thanks Wolf for educating me in the WikiNode 'way' :-) All the best --[[User:Spud Gun | | :Now that I have 'got the idea' I have added a WikiNode page to ''my'' (really it is a wiki for ''everyone''...) wiki [http://www.sklogwiki.org/SklogWiki/index.php/WikiNode SklogWiki]. I have also updated the long unused 'wikinode URL' (until now I didn't know what it was for) parameter on [[SklogWiki]]'s WikiIndex entry. Many thanks Wolf for educating me in the WikiNode 'way' :-) All the best --'''[[User:Spud Gun|<FONT COLOR=#8B3A3A>Carl McBride</FONT>]]''' ([[User talk:Spud Gun|talk]]) 06:44, 8 October 2007 (EDT) | ||
::Hi Carl, Ted educated you (and me). I agree in not doing anything (in broad scope) outside WikiIndex. BTW: I didn't have "advertising" in mind, but it would be advertising. Have a good, day --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 07:02, 8 October 2007 (EDT) | ::Hi Carl, Ted educated you (and me). I agree in not doing anything (in broad scope) outside WikiIndex. BTW: I didn't have "advertising" in mind, but it would be advertising. Have a good, day --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 07:02, 8 October 2007 (EDT) | ||
===Sidebar=== | ===Sidebar=== | ||
Given the potential importance of the [[TourBusStop]] page, it may be worth adding it to the [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]. --[[User:Spud Gun | | Given the potential importance of the [[TourBusStop]] page, it may be worth adding it to the [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]. --'''[[User:Spud Gun|<FONT COLOR=#8B3A3A>Carl McBride</FONT>]]''' ([[User talk:Spud Gun|talk]]) 11:55, 8 October 2007 (EDT) | ||
:I like it. Done. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 12:24, 8 October 2007 (EDT) | :I like it. Done. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 12:24, 8 October 2007 (EDT) | ||
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Hi Folks! Great discussion :-) A couple of links for possible understanding of these things: [http://WikiNode.info WikiNode wiki] captured via [[Archive.org]] and [http://WikiNode.info ProgressionOfWikiOrganization] — [[WikiNode]] was [[Lion Kimbro]]'s wiki solution to the straight line of the [[WikiTourBus]] system. We experienced these very questions of [[spam]]miness when trying to figure out if we could place WikiNodes on other wikis. We added a link back to WikiIndex in those and thought it would be ok, if there was an invitation to a larger community of wiki folks. So I also think that a link to [[WikiOhana]] would be a great idea. Let me see if I can dig up that template for [[WikiNode]] — found it after 100 [[Special:Random|Random pages]]! [[Template:Wiki-Noding - MediaWiki boilerplate]] Best, [[MarkDilley]] | Hi Folks! Great discussion :-) A couple of links for possible understanding of these things: [http://WikiNode.info WikiNode wiki] captured via [[Archive.org]] and [http://WikiNode.info ProgressionOfWikiOrganization] — [[WikiNode]] was [[Lion Kimbro]]'s wiki solution to the straight line of the [[WikiTourBus]] system. We experienced these very questions of [[spam]]miness when trying to figure out if we could place WikiNodes on other wikis. We added a link back to WikiIndex in those and thought it would be ok, if there was an invitation to a larger community of wiki folks. So I also think that a link to [[WikiOhana]] would be a great idea. Let me see if I can dig up that template for [[WikiNode]] — found it after 100 [[Special:Random|Random pages]]! [[Template:Wiki-Noding - MediaWiki boilerplate]] Best, [[MarkDilley]] | ||
==CommunityWiki.org== | ==[[CommunityWiki|CommunityWiki.org]]== | ||
Current stuff is on [http://www.CommunityWiki.org/odd/WikiNet/FrontPage odd-wiki-hive / 'wiki- | Current stuff is on [[Archive.org:20110521211426/http://www.CommunityWiki.org/odd/WikiNet/FrontPage|odd-wiki-hive / 'wiki-net']]. {{U|Mutante}} just pointed me to this page, I hadn't seen it, sry. [[User:MattisManzel|MattisManzel]] 07:24, 29 December 2007 (EST) | ||
[[Category:Proposals|Indexed Wikis]] | [[Category:Proposals|Indexed Wikis]] | ||
[[Category:Orphaned talk page]] | [[Category:Orphaned talk page]] | ||