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'''Proposal:WikiIndex Pages on indexed Wikis''' | '''Proposal: WikiIndex Pages on indexed Wikis''' | ||
==Proposal== | ==Proposal== | ||
In my opinion, it would be very helpful to suggest [[WikiNode]]-like pages within the [[wiki]] sites [[:Category:All|we list here]] as an entry point to manage the actuality of our contents by the [[user]]s of those wikis themselves. | In my opinion, it would be very helpful to suggest [[WikiNode]]-like pages within the [[wiki]] sites [[:Category:All|we list here]] as an entry point to manage the actuality of our contents by the [[user]]s of those wikis themselves. | ||
They and we will be better supported | They and we will be better supported | ||
*Wiki | *'''Wiki site name''' — detect whether the wiki site in question is listed or not, and under which name | ||
*Wiki | *'''Wiki site data''' — sometimes the [[:Category:Wiki Engine|engines]] are so strange that we can not retrieve size or statistics or [[:Category:Wiki Edit Mode|edit mode]] and so on... (for instance page count for [[:Category:DokuWiki|DokuWiki engine]] based wikis). | ||
I started a test on [[DseWiki]][http:// | I started a test on [[DseWiki]][http://WikiService.at/dse/wiki.cgi?WikiIndex] that was accepted. | ||
What do you think about it? (please correct my lousy english whenever necessary) --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 07:02, 3 October 2007 (EDT) | What do you think about it? (please correct my lousy english whenever necessary) --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 07:02, 3 October 2007 (EDT) | ||
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:--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 01:32, 4 October 2007 (EDT) | :--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 01:32, 4 October 2007 (EDT) | ||
I would ''not'' duplicate WikiIndex stuff to the indexed wikis. A page on each wiki with the title <tt>WikiIndex</tt> would be enough. Each active contributor of the remote wiki can skip to WikiIndex and check if updates to the WikiIndex entry are needed. Maybe we could provide a [[:Category:Boilerplates|boilerplate]] for the remote WikiIndex articles (maybe in the remote [[:Category:Wiki syntax|wiki syntax]], one for each [[:Category:Wiki Engine|wiki engine]]) and they can copy 'n' paste. The content of the page should be mainly on WikiIndex and some infos on the entry there (=here!). We could introduce a [[backlink]] on each WikiIndex article if the described wiki has a link to it. We could start with some pages in [[:Category:OpenEdit|open edit]] wikis. Step by step they will "get" it, and the rest will be done distributed (I hope so). --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 02:30, 4 October 2007 (EDT) | I would ''not'' duplicate WikiIndex stuff to the indexed wikis. A page on each wiki with the title <tt>WikiIndex</tt> would be enough. Each active contributor of the remote wiki can skip to WikiIndex and check if updates to the WikiIndex entry are needed. Maybe we could provide a [[:Category:Boilerplates|boilerplate]] for the remote WikiIndex articles (maybe in the remote [[:Category:Wiki syntax|wiki syntax]], one for each [[:Category:Wiki Engine|wiki engine]]) and they can copy 'n' paste. The content of the page should be mainly on WikiIndex and some infos on the entry there (=here!). We could introduce a [[backlink]] on each WikiIndex article if the described wiki has a link to it. We could start with some pages in [[:Category:OpenEdit|open edit]] wikis. Step by step they will "get" it, and the rest will be done distributed (I hope so). --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 02:30, 4 October 2007 (EDT) | ||
:As long as care is taken to avoid raising suspicions of | :As long as care is taken to avoid raising suspicions of [[spam]]ming, I think this could be really useful. — <span style="font-family:Kristen ITC, Comic Sans MS">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 12:30, 4 October 2007 (EDT) | ||
::A suggestion: Give the page name a '''Meta:''' prefix. Having a [[WikiIndex:Namespace conventions|namespace]] for such data would be, IMO, a good solution. Even better would be to support the '''$(Wiki name):''' prefix, but that might be asking too much. --[[User:Short Circuit|Short Circuit]] 21:41, 4 October 2007 (EDT) | ::A suggestion: Give the page name a '''Meta:''' prefix. Having a [[WikiIndex:Namespace conventions|namespace]] for such data would be, IMO, a good solution. Even better would be to support the '''$(Wiki name):''' prefix, but that might be asking too much. --[[User:Short Circuit|Short Circuit]] 21:41, 4 October 2007 (EDT) | ||
:::I think a prefix isn't nessesary for wikis that are open to the [[Wiki]] idea (look at our and their [[WikiNode]] and [[TourBusStop]] articles). Everyone who discovered the wikis wants more of that stuff, and must be interested in our WikiIndex. On the other side, you are right, there are wikis that are highly specialized to their topic. --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 02:49, 5 October 2007 (EDT) | :::I think a prefix isn't nessesary for wikis that are open to the [[Wiki]] idea (look at our and their [[WikiNode]] and [[TourBusStop]] articles). Everyone who discovered the wikis wants more of that stuff, and must be interested in our WikiIndex. On the other side, you are right, there are wikis that are highly specialized to their topic. --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 02:49, 5 October 2007 (EDT) | ||
==S23== | ==S23== | ||
I am not sure I understand what is being suggested here. With respect to maintaining the wiki pages in WikiIndex up-to-date I suspect the onus is on the | I am not sure I understand what is being suggested here. With respect to maintaining the wiki pages in WikiIndex up-to-date, I suspect the onus is on the [[owner]]s of the wiki sites. I say this because as far as I know WikiIndex is not 'automatic' (unlike [https://EditThis.info/wiki/Main_Page]); people have to actively create a page for their wiki site in WikiIndex. Secondly, it would be good to copy the bot used by the guys at [[S23-Wiki|S23]] (see for example [http://s23.org/wikistats/mediawikis_html.php?sort=good_desc,total_desc&th=100&lines=2026]). They collect the raw stats each day to update their lists. This model could be used by WikiIndex in order to keep the 'pages' parameter as accurate as possible. --'''[[User:Spud Gun|<FONT COLOR=#8B3A3A>Carl McBride</FONT>]]''' ([[User talk:Spud Gun|talk]]) 04:59, 4 October 2007 (EDT) | ||
:One could also open "[[Special:ListUsers/sysop]]" on all > 28k wikis and then extract the [[User]]: page(s) being linked from there, and then paste the "advertisement"-text on those [[User talk]] pages. That doesn't look so much like spam then but should still notify all those wiki admins. I could probably provide a list of all Admin user_page links from my wikistats database as well. This is all just valid for MediaWikis though. I am also interested in more cooperation between WikiIndex and S23, f.e. linking to the according WikiIndex page from my stats and including my stats on your wiki pages,, or stuff like that. The problem is that we don't have globally unique names for wikis. - The guy from [[S23-Wiki|S23 wikistats]]. [[User:Mutante|Mutante]] 03:53, 13 October 2007 (EDT) | :One could also open "[[Special:ListUsers/sysop]]" on all > 28k wikis and then extract the [[User]]: page(s) being linked from there, and then paste the "advertisement"-text on those [[WikiIndex:Talk Pages for Wiki People|User talk]] pages. That doesn't look so much like spam then but should still notify all those wiki admins. I could probably provide a list of all Admin user_page links from my wikistats database as well. This is all just valid for MediaWikis though. I am also interested in more cooperation between WikiIndex and S23, f.e. linking to the according WikiIndex page from my stats and including my stats on your wiki pages,, or stuff like that. The problem is that we don't have globally unique names for wikis. - The guy from [[S23-Wiki|S23 wikistats]]. [[User:Mutante|Mutante]] 03:53, 13 October 2007 (EDT) | ||
==Still confused== | ==Still confused== | ||