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::I'm aware of the [[Special:ReplaceText]] - and more importantly, its limitations.  I haven't yet tried the above suggestion from [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] - but I think that suggestion misses the crucial point.  That method is surely just for preserving edit histories of <u>articles</u> within said categories - and not the text within actual categories.  That method just batch-moves article pages from one category to another.
::I'm aware of the [[Special:ReplaceText]] - and more importantly, its limitations.  I haven't yet tried the above suggestion from [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] - but I think that suggestion misses the crucial point.  That method is surely just for preserving edit histories of <u>articles</u> within said categories - and not the text within actual categories.  That method just batch-moves article pages from one category to another.
::Mark is correct, the issue is the edit history of the text on the actual category page.  And yes, in theory, we ''can'' keep the ''wrong'' category and turn it into a redirect (which will of course preserve edit history).  However, redirecting categories doesn't work properly - look at this specific example:  [[:Category:Wiki Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike]] currently contains 10 sub-cats and 1,317 article pages; but if you look at its [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Category:Wiki_Creative_Commons_Attribution-Share_Alike&hidetrans=1&hidelinks=1 'incoming' redirects] - there are a further 24 article pages in the [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Category:Wiki_CC-BY-SA&redirect=no old abbreviated] category Category:Wiki CC-BY-SA - and those 24 articles don't/won't show up in the correct Category:Wiki Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike.  We can manage this specific situation due to the structured data warning flag (yellow caution triangle) in the wiki infobox.  But for non-infobox categories, ie; those created by using either the tag template or the traditional category name at the foot of the edit box - there is no warning, because those are not part of the structured data - hence why using redirects on categories is a bad idea.
::Mark is correct, the issue is the edit history of the text on the actual category page.  And yes, in theory, we ''can'' keep the ''wrong'' category and turn it into a redirect (which will of course preserve edit history).  However, redirecting categories doesn't work properly - look at this specific example:  [[:Category:Wiki Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike]] currently contains 10 sub-cats and 1,317 article pages; but if you look at its [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Category:Wiki_Creative_Commons_Attribution-Share_Alike&hidetrans=1&hidelinks=1 'incoming' redirects] - there are a further 24 article pages in the [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Category:Wiki_CC-BY-SA&redirect=no old abbreviated] category Category:Wiki CC-BY-SA - and those 24 articles don't/won't show up in the correct Category:Wiki Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike.  We can manage this specific situation due to the structured data warning flag (yellow caution triangle) in the wiki infobox.  But for non-infobox categories, ie; those created by using either the tag template or the traditional category name at the foot of the edit box - there is no warning, because those are not part of the structured data - hence why using redirects on categories is a bad idea.
::In summary, I don't think that deleting a wrong category and creating a new correctly named category will be a problem where the category has no text (maybe on freshly created categories).  But for categories such as say [[:Category:Wikia]] which has a huge amount of text, and a huge edit history - that would be a major problem if we were to delete Category:Wikia and say copy and paste the text to a new cat such as [[:Category:Wikia articles]].  Hence why I think we should take more care on the specific issue of creating categories.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 01:50, 1 May 2013 (PDT)
::In summary, I don't think that deleting a wrong category and creating a new correctly named category will be a problem where the category has no text (maybe on freshly created categories).  But for categories such as say [[:Category:Wikia]] which has a huge amount of text, and a huge edit history - that would be a major problem if we were to delete Category:Wikia and say copy and paste the text to a new cat such as [[:Category:Wikia articles]].  Hence why I think we should take more care on the specific issue of creating categories.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 01:50, 1 May 2013 (PDT)


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