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'[[Talk:RationalWiki/Archive1|/Archive1]]' the "archive" made at this time, was made by Nx. He would prefer we not refer to this as a subpage, for some reason. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 07:06, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | '[[Talk:RationalWiki (en)/Archive1|/Archive1]]' the "archive" made at this time, was made by Nx. He would prefer we not refer to this as a subpage, for some reason. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 07:06, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
Current Table of Contents of the writable "archive" which was, at this time, made by Nx. (It is on my watchlist. Your prayers shall not be forgotten oh brave dissenters. ;-) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 07:06, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | Current Table of Contents of the writable "archive" which was, at this time, made by Nx. (It is on my watchlist. Your prayers shall not be forgotten oh brave dissenters. ;-) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 07:06, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
# What [[Conservapedia]] thinks about [[RationalWiki]] | # What [[Conservapedia]] thinks about [[RationalWiki (en)]] | ||
# The "criticism" section | # The "criticism" section | ||
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[[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines#How sympathetic or critical.3F .28Who decides.3F.29|Proxima and I would like to assimilate Wikinfo's policy]] wherein the [http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Wikinfo:Sympathetic_point_of_view mainpage is written in a sympathetic format] and a link at the top of the article leads to a page devoted to criticism. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 13:26, 31 August 2009 (EDT) | [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines#How sympathetic or critical.3F .28Who decides.3F.29|Proxima and I would like to assimilate Wikinfo's policy]] wherein the [http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Wikinfo:Sympathetic_point_of_view mainpage is written in a sympathetic format] and a link at the top of the article leads to a page devoted to criticism. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 13:26, 31 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
:Being that you are a respected member of a community, I would like to feature your criticism with your signature, in the article [[Criticism of Liberpedia]], in a section for RationalWikians. This would mean we would also create a [[Criticism of RationalWiki]] article which you may be able to help with also. Both articles should follow any other polices that are established. Sound like a plan? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 13:26, 31 August 2009 (EDT) | :Being that you are a respected member of a community, I would like to feature your criticism with your signature, in the article [[Criticism of Liberpedia]], in a section for RationalWikians. This would mean we would also create a [[Criticism of RationalWiki (en)]] article which you may be able to help with also. Both articles should follow any other polices that are established. Sound like a plan? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 13:26, 31 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
::I don't really think there's a need for a separate article for criticism, what's wrong with a criticism section? I simply don't see how a separate article solves any problems. Also, I'm not fond of the idea of including "user reviews" of wikis, because that's just a way to circumvent referencing (it's just an opinion, it doesn't need to be substantiated...). Note that I'm not against criticism being presented. Ideally, this wiki should have admins who oversee the content of articles, so that any criticism is well referenced and true. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 13:34, 31 August 2009 (EDT) | ::I don't really think there's a need for a separate article for criticism, what's wrong with a criticism section? I simply don't see how a separate article solves any problems. Also, I'm not fond of the idea of including "user reviews" of wikis, because that's just a way to circumvent referencing (it's just an opinion, it doesn't need to be substantiated...). Note that I'm not against criticism being presented. Ideally, this wiki should have admins who oversee the content of articles, so that any criticism is well referenced and true. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 13:34, 31 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::So you are okay then with having a criticism section in the RationalWiki article? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 13:49, 31 August 2009 (EDT) | :::So you are okay then with having a criticism section in the RationalWiki article? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 13:49, 31 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
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:I would like to make it clear that my obsession consists entirely of checking recent changes about once every two hours, and acting appropriately. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 16:07, 24 September 2009 (EDT) | :I would like to make it clear that my obsession consists entirely of checking recent changes about once every two hours, and acting appropriately. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 16:07, 24 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
::There are plenty of other "appropriate actions" you could take around here. Cunningham knows we need all the help we can get. You obviously have a lot of spare time and a love for wikis, yet you choose to focus them against a single other editor. You may have a good reason, but I don't think you're doing the right thing. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 01:47, 25 September 2009 (EDT) | ::There are plenty of other "appropriate actions" you could take around here. Cunningham knows we need all the help we can get. You obviously have a lot of spare time and a love for wikis, yet you choose to focus them against a single other editor. You may have a good reason, but I don't think you're doing the right thing. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 01:47, 25 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:It depends on what you mean by "battling". My comments on this talk page are here because they concern what to put in the article here. I don't mind if we move debates to [[Lumeniki]], [[RationalWiki]], or wherever. If you "delete" them, then we would still have those options. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 20:32, 24 September 2009 (EDT) | :It depends on what you mean by "battling". My comments on this talk page are here because they concern what to put in the article here. I don't mind if we move debates to [[Lumeniki]], [[RationalWiki (en)]], or wherever. If you "delete" them, then we would still have those options. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 20:32, 24 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:As I see it, there are two separate conflicts. I have rewritten the criticism a number of times. It seems it is improving, but this process is slow and it ''creates the other conflict with you''. The solution would be, as you suggest, to do this somewhere else, but I think they would be quite happy with no criticism and they don't know yet whether they should have to do any of this work, or if [we] will let them delete it, <del>as they presently have.</del> [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 20:32, 24 September 2009 (EDT) <big>['''I just read the RationalWiki article and found that it is not consistent with what I had thought. I thought Phantom Hoover had recently deleted the link to the debate about the criticism but (unless someone is tampering with the edit history) he did not.'''</big> They did delete the "criticism", as I said, but I would NOT have objected or mentioned this, had I realized that they left the link to the debate. Many of my statements and my general attitude were influenced by this belief. I believe I have corrected all statements I have made on this assumption (on this page), and I apologize for this misunderstanding. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:00, 3 October 2009 (EDT)] | :As I see it, there are two separate conflicts. I have rewritten the criticism a number of times. It seems it is improving, but this process is slow and it ''creates the other conflict with you''. The solution would be, as you suggest, to do this somewhere else, but I think they would be quite happy with no criticism and they don't know yet whether they should have to do any of this work, or if [we] will let them delete it, <del>as they presently have.</del> [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 20:32, 24 September 2009 (EDT) <big>['''I just read the RationalWiki article and found that it is not consistent with what I had thought. I thought Phantom Hoover had recently deleted the link to the debate about the criticism but (unless someone is tampering with the edit history) he did not.'''</big> They did delete the "criticism", as I said, but I would NOT have objected or mentioned this, had I realized that they left the link to the debate. Many of my statements and my general attitude were influenced by this belief. I believe I have corrected all statements I have made on this assumption (on this page), and I apologize for this misunderstanding. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:00, 3 October 2009 (EDT)] | ||
::Heh. You just said it yourself: "they would be quite happy with no criticism and they don't know yet whether they should have to do any of this work". Can you guess why? Because they ''should not'' have to. Why is it so important that you present criticism of RationalWiki here? Or anywhere else for that matter? And if it is, why not use a blog, over which you would have full control. Think about it, if people are SO bothered by your criticism, maybe they have a point. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 01:47, 25 September 2009 (EDT) | ::Heh. You just said it yourself: "they would be quite happy with no criticism and they don't know yet whether they should have to do any of this work". Can you guess why? Because they ''should not'' have to. Why is it so important that you present criticism of RationalWiki here? Or anywhere else for that matter? And if it is, why not use a blog, over which you would have full control. Think about it, if people are SO bothered by your criticism, maybe they have a point. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 01:47, 25 September 2009 (EDT) | ||