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:::: Oh, you're welcome to help all right. But judging by the amount of text you post, I'd say you don't want to help, you want to dominate, and that is unacceptable. Now, I don't think banning is a solution, but you have created a conflict here, and it has to be resolved somehow. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 02:18, 27 September 2009 (EDT) | :::: Oh, you're welcome to help all right. But judging by the amount of text you post, I'd say you don't want to help, you want to dominate, and that is unacceptable. Now, I don't think banning is a solution, but you have created a conflict here, and it has to be resolved somehow. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 02:18, 27 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::::It is a big relief that you do not intend to ban me. I believe conflict can lead to changes that are in "our" mutual interests. (By "our", I mean anyone reading this.) I am not sure whether you are referring specifically to the conflict between myself and the [[RationalWiki]] bureaucrats, about including some formulation of a criticism, or if I am involved in a conflict between administrators. (Perhaps there are discussions on IRC or somewhere I am not aware of?) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:17, 27 September 2009 (EDT) | :::::It is a big relief that you do not intend to ban me. I believe conflict can lead to changes that are in "our" mutual interests. (By "our", I mean anyone reading this.) I am not sure whether you are referring specifically to the conflict between myself and the [[RationalWiki]] bureaucrats, about including some formulation of a criticism, or if I am involved in a conflict between administrators. (Perhaps there are discussions on IRC or somewhere I am not aware of?) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:17, 27 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
::::::Feel free to visit the IRC channel, if we could meet there it would be a great way to speed up the conversation. Can you suggest a time? I'm on UTC+3 for the next month or so, and I stay online most of the day. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 01:18, 29 September 2009 (EDT) | |||
::::::'''For conflicts between non-administrators:''' I could be wrong, it seems one of the main problems we have here is that administrators are being forced to "resolve" disputes that they really have no interest in. I have had a few ideas on how to streamline dispute resolution and get debates to take place away from WikiIndex. To make this brief I will say only that my two best new ideas are: 1) that we can choose arbiters who are not administrators 2) that the arbiters will first announce how much they are willing to read before making their decision. These arbiters could also be WikiIndex administrators, and this process could take place at WikiIndex. Do these sound like manipulative or naive proposals? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:17, 27 September 2009 (EDT) | ::::::'''For conflicts between non-administrators:''' I could be wrong, it seems one of the main problems we have here is that administrators are being forced to "resolve" disputes that they really have no interest in. I have had a few ideas on how to streamline dispute resolution and get debates to take place away from WikiIndex. To make this brief I will say only that my two best new ideas are: 1) that we can choose arbiters who are not administrators 2) that the arbiters will first announce how much they are willing to read before making their decision. These arbiters could also be WikiIndex administrators, and this process could take place at WikiIndex. Do these sound like manipulative or naive proposals? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:17, 27 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::::::You're right! Can you guess why admins have no interest in disputes? Because they're counterproductive. Why should we waste a lot of time playing judge and/or debating regulations, when it would be so much easier to follow just one rule: '''be nice'''. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 01:18, 29 September 2009 (EDT) | |||
::::If I am welcome to help develop policy, what I would do is make a number of proposals and send out requests to administrators and active editors, to vote on these, alter them, or write different ones. Any that have some administrative support I would move out to policy pages with the names of those editors and admins, who support them. These would still be debatable and alterable, but this would be just to get an idea of how things are being run currently. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:36, 25 September 2009 (EDT) | ::::If I am welcome to help develop policy, what I would do is make a number of proposals and send out requests to administrators and active editors, to vote on these, alter them, or write different ones. Any that have some administrative support I would move out to policy pages with the names of those editors and admins, who support them. These would still be debatable and alterable, but this would be just to get an idea of how things are being run currently. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:36, 25 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::::If you think that helps... The Policies and Guidelines page is a bit confusing right now. But again, why do we suddenly need these regulations? Wikiindex has functioned quite well without them for years. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 01:18, 29 September 2009 (EDT) | |||