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This page is a space to ask a question when the question is not directed towards a [[:Category:Wiki People|community person]] but towards the whole group, or if you don't know who to ask.
This '''community talk''' page is a space to ask a question when the question is not directed towards a [[:Category:Wiki People|community person]] but towards the whole group; or if you don't know who to ask.


You may wish to type your question in the search engine to see if there has been a question like yours before, or consult the [[WikiIndexFaq]].
You may wish to type your question in the search engine to see if there has been a question like yours before, or consult the [[WikiIndexFaq]] – ''before'' you post a question here.


[[Talk:Community talk|Talk here]].
[[Talk:Community talk|Talk here]].




==Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character "," ==
==Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character ","==
I think this must be caused by something in the categories I added -- or perhaps a template I accidentally altered? I can't figure it out: [[Wiki Name]]. Anybody? thanks, [[User:Clarissa Caldwell|Clarissa Caldwell]] 14:03, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
I think this must be caused by something in the [[Special:Categories|categories]] I added -- or perhaps a [[:Category:Templates|template]] I accidentally altered? I can't figure it out: [[Wiki Name]]. Anybody? thanks, [[User:Clarissa Caldwell|Clarissa Caldwell]] 14:03, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 
:Fixed. I removed the comma in the article count. --[[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] 14:48, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
: Fixed. I removed the comma in the article count. --[[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] 14:48, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
::Ahhh, he was the culprit! Thank you Ciencia, appreciate it. [[User:Clarissa Caldwell|Clarissa Caldwell]] 18:52, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
: Ahhh, he was the culprit! Thank you Ciencia, appreciate it. [[User:Clarissa Caldwell|Clarissa Caldwell]] 18:52, 28 August 2008 (EDT)


==rel nofollow on links to wikis==
==rel nofollow on links to wikis==
I noticed a page on this wiki that points to one of my wikis. I noticed that the page on this wiki is full of my keywords in the text, meta tags, titles, etc.. I support the idea of this wiki wanting to be a central point for a listing of all wikis, and initially I wasn't too upset about your using the name and keywords of my wiki on your site.  
I noticed a page on this [[wiki]] that points to one of my wikis. I noticed that the page on this wiki is full of my keywords in the text, meta tags, titles, etc.. I support the idea of this wiki wanting to be a central point for a listing of all wikis, and initially I wasn't too upset about your using the name and keywords of my wiki on your site.


But on further examination, I discovered that your link to my wiki is done as rel="nofollow".  This tag causes spiders and indexers to ignore the link, so my wiki gets no benefit in return for your use of my information.  Is this fair?   
But on further examination, I discovered that your link to my wiki is done as rel="nofollow".  This tag causes spiders and indexers to ignore the link, so my wiki gets no benefit in return for your use of my information.  Is this fair?   
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:''Not sure I understand this "But there are creative ways to selectively drop the rel="nofollow" on links that you want." - If we have done this to try and prevent wiki spam, how would we do it otherwise?  No disrespect is intentioned, so thanks for bringing this issue up.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
:''Not sure I understand this "But there are creative ways to selectively drop the rel="nofollow" on links that you want." - If we have done this to try and prevent wiki spam, how would we do it otherwise?  No disrespect is intentioned, so thanks for bringing this issue up.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
:I do not know if MediaWiki can support this out of the box, but here's how I've dealt with these issues: My wikis implement a whitelist of sites that can be linked to, and a regular expression black list of sites that can not be linked to. My wiki implements the whitelist as a list of sites that are linked to directly, and sites not on either the white or black lists are linked to through a redirect script. My wiki refuses to render any URL matching a regexp in the blacklist. Users see nothing in that spot on the page, and admins see the page rendered with "BLOCKED URL yyy" at those spots... I know the whole issue of white and black lists is controversial, but I've found it to be relatively painless way of removing the payload for spammers. Combined with IP block list, and a captcha box for non-authenticated users, 99% of wiki spam is rebuffed before it even gets posted... For this wiki, my suggestion is that whitelisting could be linked to the page names, so that the link to a wiki would be without the rel="nofollow" on it's own page. Obviously this would require some custom code unique to this wiki. - ''Anonymous''
:I do not know if [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] can support this out of the box, but here's how I've dealt with these issues: My wikis implement a whitelist of sites that can be linked to, and a regular expression black list of sites that can not be linked to. My wiki implements the whitelist as a list of sites that are linked to directly, and sites not on either the white or black lists are linked to through a redirect script. My wiki refuses to render any URL matching a regexp in the blacklist. Users see nothing in that spot on the page, and admins see the page rendered with "BLOCKED URL yyy" at those spots... I know the whole issue of white and black lists is controversial, but I've found it to be relatively painless way of removing the payload for spammers. Combined with IP block list, and a captcha box for non-authenticated users, 99% of wiki spam is rebuffed before it even gets posted... For this wiki, my suggestion is that whitelisting could be linked to the page names, so that the link to a wiki would be without the rel="nofollow" on it's own page. Obviously this would require some custom code unique to this wiki. - ''Anonymous''


We have decided to turn this feature off. 22-May-2006
We have decided to turn this feature off. 22-May-2006


: Has nofollow been unintentionally turned back on? --[[User:71.202.61.146|71.202.61.146]] 04:16, 4 June 2007 (EDT)
:Has nofollow been unintentionally turned back on? --[[User:71.202.61.146|71.202.61.146]] 04:16, 4 June 2007 (EDT)
:: Yeah, the default is on, I just turned it off again. Sorry!   [[User:John Stanton|John]] 12:35, 4 June 2007 (EDT)
::Yeah, the default is on, I just turned it off again. Sorry! [[User:John Stanton|John]] 12:35, 4 June 2007 (EDT)


==Renaming categories==
==Renaming categories==
How do you rename a category? I don't mean cutting and pasting text to a new page. You should be able to move the page and its edit history to a new location. I can't do it even if I copy the old page title to the move page URL. Can any admin do it?
How do you rename a [[Special:Categories|category]]? I don't mean cutting and pasting text to a new page. You should be able to move the page and its edit history to a new location. I can't do it even if I copy the old page title to the move page URL. Can any admin do it?


I prepared to move [[:Category:OddMuse]] to [[:Category:Oddmuse]], since it is Oddmuse accroding to its [http://www.oddmuse.org official website]. I opened all the articles with the OddMuse category in new tabs, edited them, and then noticed that I can't move the category. Ouch. [[User:Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]] 18:10, 7 Mar 2006 (EST)
I prepared to move [[:Category:OddMuse]] to [[:Category:Oddmuse]], since it is Oddmuse accroding to its [http://www.oddmuse.org official website]. I opened all the articles with the OddMuse category in new tabs, edited them, and then noticed that I can't move the category. Ouch. [[User:Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]] 18:10, 7 Mar 2006 (EST)


:It seems [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Category#Moving_a_category_page no-one can move categories] [[User:Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]]
:It seems [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Category#Moving_a_category_page no-one can move categories].  [[User:Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]]


== input requested on categorization (meta) ==
==input requested on categorization (meta)==
[[:Category:Browse]] is nicely becoming smaller.  One outstanding issue is that we need a new category for articles related to the whole wiki community that aren't meta to WikiIndex, but sort of meta to all of wikilandia.  [[Books]], [[OptOut]], [[Weblogs]], [[What is a Wiki]] etc.  Any suggestions? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 18:52, 15 Mar 2006 (EST)
[[:Category:Browse]] is nicely becoming smaller.  One outstanding issue is that we need a new [[Special:Categories|category]] for articles related to the whole wiki community that aren't meta to [[WikiIndex]], but sort of meta to all of wikilandia.  [[Books]], [[OptOut]], [[Weblogs]], [[What is a Wiki]] etc.  Any suggestions? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 18:52, 15 Mar 2006 (EST)


==[[:Category:Wiki Language]]?==
==[[:Category:Wiki Language]]?==
Should there be a distinction between [[wiki]]s that are bilingual (e.g. [[WikiIndex]]-English & French), multilingual (e.g. [[Wikimedia Commons]]-multiple languages used within the same wiki), and multiple languages (e.g. most [[Wikimedia Foundation]] projects, such as the [[Wikipedia]], that have versions in different languages [as subdomains in the case of Wikimedia projects])? [[User:BlankVerse]] | <small>[[User talk:BlankVerse|talk]]</small> 00:44, 27 Mar 2006 (EST)


Should there be a distinction between wikis that are bilingual (e.g. [[WikiIndex]]-English & French), multilingual (e.g. [[Wikimedia Commons]]-multiple languages used within the same wiki), and multiple languages (e.g. most [[Wikimedia Foundation]] projects, such as the [[Wikipedia]], that have versions in different languages [as subdomains in the case of Wikimedia projects])? [[User:BlankVerse]] | <small>[[User talk:BlankVerse|talk]]</small> 00:44, 27 Mar 2006 (EST)
:I just created [[:Category:Deutsch]] as a redirect to [[:Category:German]]. This works in the sense that if you click on the Deutsch link under the categories at the bottom of the page you will go to Category:German. The problem is that any articles tagged with only Category:Deutsch do not show up under Category:German. After thinking about it, I am now changing [[:Category:Deutsch]] to be a subcategory under [[:Category:German]]. I think that is the better to do things. I'll also do the same thing with [[:Category:Español]]. [[User:BlankVerse]] | <small>[[User talk:BlankVerse|talk]]</small> 20:47, 29 Mar 2006 (EST)
 
:I just created [[:Category:Deutsch]] as a redirect to [[:Category:German]]. This works in the sense that if you click on the Deutsch link under the categories at the bottom of the page you will go to Category:German. The problem is that any articles tagged with only Category:Deutsch do not show up under Category:German. After thinking about it, I am now changing [[:Category:Deutsch]] to be a subcategory under [[:Category:German]]. I think that is the better to do things. I'll also do the same thing with [[:Category:Español]]. [[User:BlankVerse]] | <small>[[User talk:BlankVerse|talk]]</small> 20:47, 29 Mar 2006 (EST)


{{CategoryDiscussions}}
{{CategoryDiscussions}}


== Help namespace ==
==Help namespace==
There is a "Help:" namespace. Should we start utilizing it? I don't mind moving all the pages in the help category myself. &mdash;[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 14:51, 27 Mar 2006 (EST)
There is a "Help:" namespace. Should we start utilizing it? I don't mind moving all the pages in the help category myself. &mdash;[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 14:51, 27 Mar 2006 (EST)


Sean, what pages do you think we already have that would go in to the '''Help:''' namespace, and by saying "we already have it" - you mean because the search is already set up for '''Help:'''?  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
Sean, what pages do you think we already have that would go in to the '''Help:''' namespace, and by saying "we already have it" - you mean because the search is already set up for '''Help:'''?  Best, [[MarkDilley]]


== is mailedto a wiki ? ==
==is mailedto a wiki?==
I'm not even sure this is supposed to be public -- perhaps it's only a temporary experiment.
I'm not even sure this is supposed to be public -- perhaps it's only a temporary experiment.
Should we list it anyway?
Should we list it anyway? http://mailedto.com/wiki2/ --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 01:02, 29 Mar 2006 (EST)
http://mailedto.com/wiki2/
 
--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 01:02, 29 Mar 2006 (EST)


: David, I looked at it, and it looks cool, but I am not sure I get it.  Please list it if you want.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
:David, I looked at it, and it looks cool, but I am not sure I get it.  Please list it if you want.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]


:: mailedto.com is just one of those spammy psuedo-search portal sites that hijack your search terms from other search engines and make you go through them.  There's probably a name for that, but I don't know what it is.  Anyway, it certainly isn't a wiki.  [Just Passing Through] [[User:68.166.37.234|68.166.37.234]] 16:58, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
::mailedto.com is just one of those spammy psuedo-search portal sites that hijack your search terms from other search engines and make you go through them.  There's probably a name for that, but I don't know what it is.  Anyway, it certainly isn't a wiki.  [Just Passing Through] [[User:68.166.37.234|68.166.37.234]] 16:58, 27 June 2008 (EDT)


== private wiki advice needed ==
==private wiki advice needed==
I have a friend that wants a private wiki for his business.  I tried to help him set up UseMod and failed.  He knows about and has used PBwiki and is worried about his data if they go under.  Where should he go to feel secure about both his data not being seen and his data not disappearing at some point. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 11:28, 4 May 2006 (EDT)
I have a friend that wants a private wiki for his business.  I tried to help him set up [[UseMod]] and failed.  He knows about and has used [[PBwiki]] and is worried about his data if they go under.  Where should he go to feel secure about both his data not being seen and his data not disappearing at some point. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 11:28, 4 May 2006 (EDT)


:''Does your friend want a free service or can they pay?'' [[MarkDilley]]
:''Does your friend want a free service or can they pay?'' [[MarkDilley]]
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What he really wants is something at his domain so he doesn't have to pay, but since I can't seem to help him with that, he's looking at other options.  Are there free options you can recommend?  What about for pay? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:18, 4 May 2006 (EDT)
What he really wants is something at his domain so he doesn't have to pay, but since I can't seem to help him with that, he's looking at other options.  Are there free options you can recommend?  What about for pay? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:18, 4 May 2006 (EDT)


:''Friend here.  It needs to be secure. Trade secrets, personal info and such.  I'd like to host it for more control if possible. Thanks.
:''Friend here.  It needs to be secure. Trade secrets, personal info and such.  I'd like to host it for more control if possible. Thanks.


In order of who I have known longer:
In order of who I have known longer:
: [[Socialtext]] - talk to [[SunirShah]]
*[[Socialtext]] - talk to [[SunirShah]]
: [[Confluence]] [[Atlassian]] - http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/ - Mike fron [[RecentChangesCamp]]
*[[Confluence]] [[Atlassian]] - http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/ - Mike fron [[RecentChangesCamp]]
: [[Wetpaint]] - Ray has met these folks.
*[[Wetpaint]] - Ray has met these folks.


Also http://dreamhost.com maybe able to help, they have a one click install of a media wiki. -- [[MarkDilley]]
Also http://dreamhost.com maybe able to help, they have a one click install of a MediaWiki. -- [[MarkDilley]]


:Thanks.  I have no idea what to do once I arrive at these links.
:Thanks.  I have no idea what to do once I arrive at these links. The last option is something you get if you sign up for a paid hosting plan? Howard
The last option is something you get if you sign up for a paid hosting plan?
Howard


Update: Spent some more time. Socialtext links to a blank page.  Confluence-- $1200 license-- no go. Wetpaint-- can't find the info I need to understand what I need to do, or how much it would cost.
Update: Spent some more time. Socialtext links to a blank page.  Confluence-- $1200 license-- no go. Wetpaint-- can't find the info I need to understand what I need to do, or how much it would cost. This is going way beyond the amount of time I can invest in this-- thanks for trying.
This is going way beyond the amount of time I can invest in this-- thanks for trying.


''Howard, can we talk on the phone? I think that would be much better. Best, [[MarkDilley]]''
''Howard, can we talk on the phone? I think that would be much better. Best, [[MarkDilley]]''


== check this wiki ==
==check this wiki==
[[Monket Calendar]] - this seems to be one software application within a larger wiki - help me out seeing what's up here? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 18:22, 19 May 2006 (EDT)
[[Monket Calendar]] - this seems to be one software application within a larger wiki - help me out seeing what's up here? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 18:22, 19 May 2006 (EDT)


==Questions go where? ==
How do I know if my question goes on Community talk or talk: Community talk? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 11:44, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)


==Questions go where? ==How do I know if my question goes on Community talk or talk: Community talk? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 11:44, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)
*Community talk is the article descibing the page (and maybe decisions?), talk is where the action happens. Me thinks :-) [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
 
* Community talk is the article descibing the page (and maybe decisions?), talk is where the action happens. Me thinks :-) [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]


::I've merged the two pages now, so problem should be solved. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] 09:51, 30 August 2006 (EDT)
::I've merged the two pages now, so problem should be solved. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] 09:51, 30 August 2006 (EDT)


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Mark, I would like to make the same proposal as the one in [http://www.worldwidewiki.net/wiki/WorldWideWikiView WorldWideWiki], but it seems that it is not possible to transclude anything into MediaWiki... (or to include HTML/Iframe). An other question is : [[Where is the rss feed]]? of wikiindex. [[User:OlivierAuber|OlivierAuber]] 10:44, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)
Mark, I would like to make the same proposal as the one in [http://www.worldwidewiki.net/wiki/WorldWideWikiView WorldWideWiki], but it seems that it is not possible to transclude anything into MediaWiki... (or to include HTML/Iframe). An other question is: [[Where is the rss feed]]? of [[WikiIndex]]. [[User:OlivierAuber|OlivierAuber]] 10:44, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)


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:See what I did on [[TextMate Wiki]]. Sorry it took me so long to respond. I thought this page was on my watchlist. It is now. &mdash;[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 15:29, 10 June 2006 (EDT)
:See what I did on [[TextMate Wiki]]. Sorry it took me so long to respond. I thought this page was on my watchlist. It is now. &mdash;[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 15:29, 10 June 2006 (EDT)


== social-ism ==
==social-ism==
 
I can't type this word without the dash because the spam filter doesn't like cia-lis (without the dash).  This is messed up!  This should be it's own category but I can't do it! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:50, 24 May 2006 (EDT)
I can't type this word without the dash because the spam filter doesn't like cia-lis (without the dash).  This is messed up!  This should be it's own category but I can't do it! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:50, 24 May 2006 (EDT)


== technical glitch ==
==technical glitch==
 
Hello folks, I don't use watched pages very much.  But I do on my user talk page, or did, way back when and I try to unwatch it.  that doesn't work, every time I unwatch it, the next login, it is being watched again, any ideas? [[MarkDilley]]
Hello folks, I don't use watched pages very much.  But I do on my user talk page, or did, way back when and I try to unwatch it.  that doesn't work, every time I unwatch it, the next login, it is being watched again, any ideas? [[MarkDilley]]


: I can only guess that that's a mediawiki feature.  If you don't use the watchlist, does having something on there impact you somewhere else? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:04, 6 June 2006 (EDT)
:I can only guess that that's a MediaWiki feature.  If you don't use the watchlist, does having something on there impact you somewhere else? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:04, 6 June 2006 (EDT)


No, just annoying! :-) [[MarkDilley]]
No, just annoying! :-) [[MarkDilley]]


: I'm sorry to hear you're annoyed, my friend. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:11, 6 June 2006 (EDT)
:I'm sorry to hear you're annoyed, my friend. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:11, 6 June 2006 (EDT)


In [[Special:Preferences]] there is an option to add every page you edit to your watchlist. You may want to turn that off if it's not already off. --[[User:Carlb|Carlb]] 22:59, 10 June 2006 (EDT)
In [[Special:Preferences]] there is an option to add every page you edit to your watchlist. You may want to turn that off if it's not already off. --[[User:Carlb|Carlb]] 22:59, 10 June 2006 (EDT)


It seems that our '''user talk''' pages are always in bold, is that true? [[MarkDilley]]
It seems that our '''user talk''' pages are always in bold, is that true? [[MarkDilley]]
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:Your own user page can't be un-watched. I think it's somehow connected to talk page notification. &mdash;[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 00:56, 3 July 2006 (EDT)
:Your own user page can't be un-watched. I think it's somehow connected to talk page notification. &mdash;[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 00:56, 3 July 2006 (EDT)


== OpenG ==
==OpenG==
 
Is there a wiki for the G programming language? If one exists, I'd like to list it in the [[WikiIndex]]. I see what appears to be one using [[TikiWiki]] at
Is there a wiki for the G programming language?
If one exists, I'd like to list it in the WikiIndex.
I see what appears to be one using [[TikiWiki]] at
http://openg.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Whats%20New
http://openg.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Whats%20New
, but the big red warning at the top makes me suspect that
, but the big red warning at the top makes me suspect that it is going offline soon(?), to be replaced by a phpBB (which is non-wiki, right?). (Or do they plan to keep both running indefinitely, so people can use whichever one they feel comfortable with?). (G is the [[visual]] programming language used in [[Wikipedia:LabVIEW]]). --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 11:11, 24 June 2006 (EDT)
it is going offline soon(?), to be replaced by a phpBB (which is non-wiki, right?).
(Or do they plan to keep both running indefinitely,
so people can use whichever one they feel comfortable with?).
(G is the [[visual]] programming language used in [[Wikipedia:LabVIEW]]).
--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 11:11, 24 June 2006 (EDT)


 
==can't save edits to [[Wikis by response time]]==
== can't save edits to [[Wikis_by_response_time]] ==
It looks like all edits are being blocked by the spam filter because the page contains  the characters '. h t m l' somewhere., edits to THIS page were blocked because it contained the letters 'x x x', I changed them to 'yyy' -- [[User:Versageek|Versageek]] 15:37, 30 July 2006 (EDT)
It looks like all edits are being blocked by the spam filter because the page contains  the characters '. h t m l' somewhere., edits to THIS page were blocked because it contained the letters 'x x x', I changed them to 'yyy' -- [[User:Versageek|Versageek]] 15:37, 30 July 2006 (EDT)


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==Question==
==Question==
I recently put my wiki up [[Trendpedia]] and today I saw an article on my wiki http://trendpedia.elwiki.com/WikiNode and I am trying to figure out what the article is supposed to be.   Since it was done by an IP and I'm not sure if they'll check back, I'm asking here.  The thing is, it looks like a welcome message.  I am not sure how to develop it.  Is it supposed to be an article about [[WikiNode]] or WikiIndex?  Why does it link to my wiki's recent changes and main page?  [[User:ZealPalace|ZealPalace]] 05:29, 22 August 2006 (EDT)
I recently put my wiki up [[Trendpedia]] and today I saw an article on my wiki http://trendpedia.elwiki.com/WikiNode and I am trying to figure out what the article is supposed to be. Since it was done by an IP and I'm not sure if they'll check back, I'm asking here.  The thing is, it looks like a welcome message.  I am not sure how to develop it.  Is it supposed to be an article about [[WikiNode]] or WikiIndex?  Why does it link to my wiki's recent changes and main page?  [[User:ZealPalace|ZealPalace]] 05:29, 22 August 2006 (EDT)
: That was me.  Have you had a chance to see anything about the WikiNodes network?  [[WikiNodes]] are pretty cool, and allow you to show anyone the wikis that are "neighbors" of yours.  So that page is just a generic template that I pasted in.  It linked back to your page on WikiIndex so you'd know it was us.  Feel free to change anything on the page, including the links to your RC and mainpage.  Change those to the most important pages on your site and add links to the wikinodes of sites you consider to be your neighbors.  Please let me know if you'd like to talk more about this. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 05:36, 22 August 2006 (EDT)
:That was me.  Have you had a chance to see anything about the WikiNodes network?  [[WikiNodes]] are pretty cool, and allow you to show anyone the wikis that are "neighbors" of yours.  So that page is just a generic template that I pasted in.  It linked back to your page on [[WikiIndex]] so you'd know it was us.  Feel free to change anything on the page, including the links to your RC and mainpage.  Change those to the most important pages on your site and add links to the wikinodes of sites you consider to be your neighbors.  Please let me know if you'd like to talk more about this. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 05:36, 22 August 2006 (EDT)
:: I still don't quite get it, but I also think all of my wiki is lost.  Please see my comment at [[Talk:ElWiki]].  [[User:ZealPalace|ZealPalace]] 14:10, 23 August 2006 (EDT)
::I still don't quite get it, but I also think all of my wiki is lost.  Please see my comment at [[Talk:ElWiki]].  [[User:ZealPalace|ZealPalace]] 14:10, 23 August 2006 (EDT)
That´s a drag. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:26, 23 August 2006 (EDT)
That´s a drag. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:26, 23 August 2006 (EDT)


Well it's back up now without explanation.  It's really hard to find a good wiki farm, I find, though.  Editthis.info has a size limit.  Wikia may cause you to lose control of your wiki at any time.  The rest either give you a single page or are not mediawiki.  [[User:ZealPalace|ZealPalace]] 21:29, 23 August 2006 (EDT)
Well it's back up now without explanation.  It's really hard to find a good [[wiki farm]], I find, though.  [[Editthis.info]] has a size limit.  [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]] may cause you to lose control of your wiki at any time.  The rest either give you a single page or are not [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]].  [[User:ZealPalace|ZealPalace]] 21:29, 23 August 2006 (EDT)


==Sitemap==
==Sitemap==
I can't tell if WikiIndex already has a sitemap, but if not, I have been using this at [[Film-Flam]] with good effect: http://www.thinklemon.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Google_Sitemaps. Worth considering to improve your Google indexing. [[User:Dryguy|Dryguy]] 19:17, 22 August 2006 (EDT)
I can't tell if [[WikiIndex]] already has a sitemap, but if not, I have been using this at [[Film-Flam]] with good effect: http://www.thinklemon.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Google_Sitemaps. Worth considering to improve your Google indexing. [[User:Dryguy|Dryguy]] 19:17, 22 August 2006 (EDT)
 
A sitemap is just a list of pages that are on a website (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitemap). Google Sitemaps (http://www.google.com/webmasters/sitemaps/) is a service that allows you to tell Google where to find your sitemap. Doing so improves Google's ability to index your website, if the sitemap is in the right format. In my case, it has resulted in my site going from not being indexed by Google at all, to actually appearing as a result for certain search terms. The PHP script linked above can be installed by the site administrators to automatically generate a Google-compatible sitemap for a MediaWiki based website. As I understand it, this helps ensure that Google will find and index new pages on your site fairly soon after they are created. I would guess it can also help Google recognize the difference between a temporary connection problem vs. a page on the site that no longer exists. There is also the added benefit that you can use the Google sitemap tools to view statistics about what keywords are generating Google hits for your site. [[User:Dryguy|Dryguy]] 18:24, 23 August 2006 (EDT)
 


A sitemap is just a list of pages that are on a website (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitemap).  Google Sitemaps (http://www.google.com/webmasters/sitemaps/) is a service that allows you to tell Google where to find your sitemap.  Doing so improves Google's ability to index your website, if the sitemap is in the right format.  In my case, it has resulted in my site going from not being indexed by Google at all, to actually appearing as a result for certain search terms.  The PHP script linked above can be installed by the site administrators to automatically generate a Google-compatible sitemap for a [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] based website.  As I understand it, this helps ensure that Google will find and index new pages on your site fairly soon after they are created.  I would guess it can also help Google recognize the difference between a temporary connection problem vs. a page on the site that no longer exists.  There is also the added benefit that you can use the Google sitemap tools to view statistics about what keywords are generating Google hits for your site.  [[User:Dryguy|Dryguy]] 18:24, 23 August 2006 (EDT)


Hi.  I think the idea sounds good, is it possible for you to start the process, or do we have to have an administrator do it? Cheers, [[MarkDilley]]
:Hi.  I think the idea sounds good, is it possible for you to start the process, or do we have to have an administrator do it? Cheers, [[MarkDilley]]


The php script has to be installed by someone with access to the server directory where the wiki resides, so wiki adminship probably isn't enough, I think you have to have ftp access to the server. [[User:Dryguy|Dryguy]] 18:44, 23 August 2006 (EDT)
The php script has to be installed by someone with access to the server directory where the wiki resides, so wiki adminship probably isn't enough, I think you have to have ftp access to the server. [[User:Dryguy|Dryguy]] 18:44, 23 August 2006 (EDT)


Ok, I will let [[John Stanton]] know about it.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
:Ok, I will let [[John Stanton]] know about it.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]


We had a flatfile Google sitemap up until the last upgrade of [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] and apparently it did not survive the upgrade :-)  I just implemented the automatic xml version suggested above and it seems to work great!  We will need to keep an eye on it because 1) it is not qualified for mediawiki 1.6.5 and 2) it takes a bit of time to generate the output (it found 7804 wiki pages on the trial run).  You can see the output yourself at [http://wikiindex.com/sitemap.xml.php http://wikiindex.com/sitemap.xml.php] be patient because it takes several seconds to generate the output.  [[User:John Stanton|John]] 12:13, 28 August 2006 (EDT)


We had a flatfile Google sitemap up until the last upgrade of mediawiki and apparently it did not survive the upgrade :-) I just implemented the automatic xml version suggested above and it seems to work great!
:Hi John, you may want to alter the SQL Statement by limiting the number of pages fetched (SELECT TOP 200 ... or the likes).  That way only the last X edits will show up. Google will fetch the sitemap every 12 hours or so, therefore it'll only get the latest batch of updated pages. Of course find some values that'll work for this site.  I don't know how many edits per day you're having here.  Cheers Caspar/[http://www.thinklemon.com/ ThinkLemon]. (Oh and if the MediaWiki database schema did not change from 1.5 to 1.6 it should work fine. Haven't tried it myself though. ;-))
We will need to keep an eye on it because 1) it is not qualified for mediawiki 1.6.5 and 2) it takes a bit of time to generate the output (it found 7804 wiki pages on the trial run). You can see the output yourself at [http://wikiindex.com/sitemap.xml.php http://wikiindex.com/sitemap.xml.php] be patient because it takes several seconds to generate the output. [[User:John Stanton|John]] 12:13, 28 August 2006 (EDT)


: Hi John, You may want to alter the SQL Statement by limiting the number of pages fetched (SELECT TOP 200 ... or the likes). That way only the last X edits will show up. Google will fetch the sitemap every 12 hours or so, therefore it'll only get the latest batch of updated pages. Of course find some values that'll work for this site. I don't know how many edits per day you're having here. Cheers Caspar/[http://www.thinklemon.com/ ThinkLemon]. (Oh and if the MediaWiki database schema did not change from 1.5 to 1.6 it should work fine. Haven't tried it myself though. ;-))
Hi Casper, I'm going to keep an eye on it to see what the impact is before I change the SQL but thanks for the suggestion. The database schema had a significant change between 1.5 and 1.6 and that's what worried me but I tested it on my personal wiki and it seems to work fine. Thanks!  [[User:John Stanton|John]] 14:57, 28 August 2006 (EDT)
 
Hi Casper, I'm going to keep an eye on it to see what the impact is before I change the SQL but thanks for the suggestion. The database schema had a significant change between 1.5 and 1.6 and that's what worried me but I tested it on my personal wiki and it seems to work fine. Thanks!  [[User:John Stanton|John]] 14:57, 28 August 2006 (EDT)
 
== search weirdness ==


==search weirdness==
When I do a search on "concepts", I see that #11 in the results is the page about the [[CTM Wiki]].
When I do a search on "concepts", I see that #11 in the results is the page about the [[CTM Wiki]].


If I type "ctm" or "CTM" into the search box, then bang on the "Search" or "Add" button,
If I type "ctm" or "CTM" into the search box, then bang on the "Search" or "Add" button,
I expect to see that page listed somewhere in the results.
I expect to see that page listed somewhere in the results.  Instead, I see a page that claims:
"No page title matches" and "No page text matches".


Instead, I see a page that claims
Can we fix this bug? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 22:07, 22 August 2006 (EDT)
"No page title matches" and "No page text matches".


Can we fix this bug?
:It's a [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] thing.  Their search is awful and hasn't been worked on for a long time.  I don´t believe we have the expertise among us to handle it.  I'd recommend making a redirect from [[CTM]].  [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:00, 23 August 2006 (EDT)


--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 22:07, 22 August 2006 (EDT)
By default you cant have a search string less than four characgters in length in MySQL.  It's possible to change this setting however.


: It´s a MediaWiki thing.  Their search is awful and hasn´t been worked on for a long time.  I don´t believe we have the expertise among us to handle it.  I´d recommend making a redirect from [[CTM]]. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:00, 23 August 2006 (EDT)
==Unhelpful categories==
What's the purpose of [[:Category:Collaborative]] - Aren't all wikis collaborative?  Likewise for [[:Category:Information]] - aren't the majority of wikis for sharing information?  I'd suggest that these should be deprecated. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] 05:49, 30 August 2006 (EDT)
:We're a bottom-up sort of place.  We didn't decide on [[Special:Categories|categories]] in advance.  Each [[wiki]] is categorized (tagged) in a way that makes sense to the people doing the tagging, without regard to taxonomy (generally).  It's only over time that we can start to see patterns, and then we can decide if any larger action needs to happen.  In the case of the two examples you cite, I'd suggest that every wiki in those categories would need to be examined to see if those tags still make sense.  A wiki about information theory might well belong in category information, but many of the wikis there might not be. Feel free to dig in to do this work! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 11:05, 30 August 2006 (EDT)


==Templates to group related topics==
I've made a new template: [[Template:International development]], and have put it on related topic pages.  The idea is that when someone looks up one topic, they also see related topics (which only exist because people chose different words to mean the same or similar things).


By default you cant have a search string less than four characgters in length in MySQL. It's possible to change this setting however.
It could do with a nice box around it. But next priority is to make one for the multiple sustainability/environment topics. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] 09:45, 30 August 2006 (EDT)


== Unhelpful categories ==
:We have a convention here using this syntax: '''<nowiki>{{related|RelatedCategory}}</nowiki>''' that we use to draw links between categories that are related.  I bring this up because I can easily imagine wikis about hunger in Chicago or Toronto that have nothing to do with International Development.  So while I agree with you that category hunger is related to category international development, to say that hunger is inside international development doesn't seem true to me. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 11:10, 30 August 2006 (EDT)


What's the purpose of [[:Category:Collaborative]] - Aren't all wikis collaborative? Likewise for [[:Category:Information]] - aren't the majority of wikis for sharing information? I'd suggest that these should be deprecated. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] 05:49, 30 August 2006 (EDT)
::Thanks - good point about hunger in Chicago etc.  Will give it more thought, and probably change those pages to using {{tl|related}}. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 21:49, 2 September 2006 (EDT)
: We're a bottom-up sort of place.  We didn't decide on categories in advance.  Each wiki is categorized (tagged) in a way that makes sense to the people doing the tagging, without regard to taxonomy (generally).  It's only over time that we can start to see patterns, and then we can decide if any larger action needs to happen.  In the case of the two examples you cite, I'd suggest that every wiki in those categories would need to be examined to see if those tags still make sense.  A wiki about information theory might well belong in category information, but many of the wikis there might not be.  Feel free to dig in to do this work! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 11:05, 30 August 2006 (EDT)


== Templates to group related topics ==
==OpenID==
 
Hi, all. I wanted to point out that there's now an [http://www.openid.net/ OpenID] extension for [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] that lets people log into one MW wiki with an account from another wiki. I think it'd be particularly useful for a meta-community site like [[WikiIndex]]. The software is available from http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/OpenID/ in the MediaWiki subversion library, and I'd be happy to help get it installed. --[[User:Evan|Evan]] 11:22, 7 September 2006 (EDT)
I've made a new template: [[Template:International development]], and have put it on related topic pages. The idea is that when someone looks up one topic, they also see related topics (which only exist because people chose different words to mean the same or similar things).
 
It could do with a nice box around it. But next priority is to make one for the multiple sustainability/environment topics. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] 09:45, 30 August 2006 (EDT)
 
: We have a convention here using this syntax: '''<nowiki>{{related|RelatedCategory}}</nowiki>''' that we use to draw links between categories that are related.  I bring this up because I can easily imagine wikis about hunger in Chicago or Toronto that have nothing to do with International Development.  So while I agree with you that category hunger is related to category international development, to say that hunger is inside international development doesn't seem true to me. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 11:10, 30 August 2006 (EDT)
 
::Thanks - good point about hunger in Chicago etc. Will give it more thought, and probably change those pages to using {{tl|related}}. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 21:49, 2 September 2006 (EDT)
 
 
== OpenID ==
 
Hi, all. I wanted to point out that there's now an [http://www.openid.net/ OpenID] extension for MediaWiki that lets people log into one MW wiki with an account from another wiki. I think it'd be particularly useful for a meta-community site like WikiIndex. The software is available from http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/OpenID/ in the MediaWiki subversion library, and I'd be happy to help get it installed. --[[User:Evan|Evan]] 11:22, 7 September 2006 (EDT)


:There's a more useful page at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenID . I would ''love'' to help someone at WikiIndex install this software, step-by-step if needed. --[[User:Evan|Evan]] 14:20, 3 February 2007 (PST)
:There's a more useful page at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenID . I would ''love'' to help someone at WikiIndex install this software, step-by-step if needed. --[[User:Evan|Evan]] 14:20, 3 February 2007 (PST)
::Would love to implement OpenID, as we discussed at RCC 2007, I've read over the installation page and it doesn't look too hairy. We do have a couple of issues that need to be resolved before we can go live with it, our .htaccess rewrite code quit working when we upgraded to MW 1.8.2 and changed hosts. I'll try to resolve our issues this week and start working on OpenID this weekend or early next week. [[User:John Stanton|John]] 09:25, 13 February 2007 (PST)
::Would love to implement OpenID, as we discussed at RCC 2007, I've read over the installation page and it doesn't look too hairy. We do have a couple of issues that need to be resolved before we can go live with it, our .htaccess rewrite code quit working when we upgraded to MW 1.8.2 and changed hosts. I'll try to resolve our issues this week and start working on OpenID this weekend or early next week. [[User:John Stanton|John]] 09:25, 13 February 2007 (PST)


== How are you doing hotlinking in mediawiki ==
==How are you doing hotlinking in mediawiki==
 
On my wiki's article here http://wikiindex.com/Trendpedia well it's hotlinking my logo.  I can't find how this happens.  {{{wiki_logo}}}  with three { and } instead of two is the only thing I see and that's in the wiki template, which is full of the three { and } things.  Two is templates.  So what are the three?  I'm more interested in how this is done and what the three { } are above.  I would actually prefer to keep the image hotlinked because it lets me test if I have hotlinks blocked, which I think I finally figured out how to do thanks to this site.  [[User:ZealPalace|ZealPalace]] 05:52, 9 September 2006 (EDT)
On my wiki's article here http://wikiindex.com/Trendpedia well it's hotlinking my logo.  I can't find how this happens.  {{{wiki_logo}}}  with three { and } instead of two is the only thing I see and that's in the wiki template, which is full of the three { and } things.  Two is templates.  So what are the three?  I'm more interested in how this is done and what the three { } are above.  I would actually prefer to keep the image hotlinked because it lets me test if I have hotlinks blocked, which I think I finally figured out how to do thanks to this site.  [[User:ZealPalace|ZealPalace]] 05:52, 9 September 2006 (EDT)


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:Perhaps hotlinks are falling out-of-favour on some sites as they consume bandwidth on the external site to which they link, as well as being prone to abuse as a means to link 'shock images' from wiki pages. --[[User:Carlb|Carlb]] 14:13, 15 December 2006 (EST)
:Perhaps hotlinks are falling out-of-favour on some sites as they consume bandwidth on the external site to which they link, as well as being prone to abuse as a means to link 'shock images' from wiki pages. --[[User:Carlb|Carlb]] 14:13, 15 December 2006 (EST)


== For those of you who function better in UseMod ==
==For those of you who function better in UseMod==
 
The skin "Nostalgia" was designed to mimic UseMod, and does a pretty good job of it. I just found it in my preferences andwas quite impressed. The only major difference is that the page title isn't a link to "What Links Here" a.k.a. BackLinks. &mdash;&nbsp;<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 14:35, 9 September 2006 (EDT)
The skin "Nostalgia" was designed to mimic UseMod, and does a pretty good job of it. I just found it in my preferences andwas quite impressed. The only major difference is that the page title isn't a link to "What Links Here" a.k.a. BackLinks. &mdash;&nbsp;<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 14:35, 9 September 2006 (EDT)


== Broader wikis. ==
==Broader wikis==
 
I'm very enthusiastic about this wiki - connecting people with the right wiki is a great thing to do. Now, There is something which I think would help WikiIndex be even more useful.  
I'm very enthusiastic about this wiki - connecting people with the right wiki is a great thing to do. Now, There is something which I think would help WikiIndex be even more useful.  


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*Wikipedia Wikiprojects (collaborations to improve groups of articles)
*Wikipedia Wikiprojects (collaborations to improve groups of articles)
*Bookshelves and books on Wikibooks
*Bookshelves and books on Wikibooks


On a related topic: Perhaps it's also worth having an article which explains how the different wikis & projects link together. Or we could make a point of explaining that in the individual articles. For example, [[Appropedia]] is ''not'' for encyclopedic material, but rather is aiming to complement Wikipedia (not compete with it) by developing project pages, how tos, networks & collaborations, and allowing original research. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 07:37, 15 September 2006 (EDT)
On a related topic: Perhaps it's also worth having an article which explains how the different wikis & projects link together. Or we could make a point of explaining that in the individual articles. For example, [[Appropedia]] is ''not'' for encyclopedic material, but rather is aiming to complement Wikipedia (not compete with it) by developing project pages, how tos, networks & collaborations, and allowing original research. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 07:37, 15 September 2006 (EDT)
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::: So ... you want to list each book on Wikibooks, each major Wikipedia topic, and each Wikipedia Wikiproject, as if it were an independent wiki? That sounds fine. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 17:01, 17 April 2007 (PDT)
::: So ... you want to list each book on Wikibooks, each major Wikipedia topic, and each Wikipedia Wikiproject, as if it were an independent wiki? That sounds fine. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 17:01, 17 April 2007 (PDT)


== [[User:Singkong2005/The Wiki Synergy Project|The Wiki Synergy Project]] ==
==[[User:Singkong2005/The Wiki Synergy Project|The Wiki Synergy Project]]==
 
I've started [[User:Singkong2005/The Wiki Synergy Project|The Wiki Synergy Project]] in my userspace. The idea is to encourage greater synergy between related wikis (particularly in sustainability & development, which are my main interest, and which overlap a lot). The idea is that when I contact wikis to talk about these ideas, I can link them to this page, which will explain everything. It will also provide a neutral place for people to talk about these ideas.  
I've started [[User:Singkong2005/The Wiki Synergy Project|The Wiki Synergy Project]] in my userspace. The idea is to encourage greater synergy between related wikis (particularly in sustainability & development, which are my main interest, and which overlap a lot). The idea is that when I contact wikis to talk about these ideas, I can link them to this page, which will explain everything. It will also provide a neutral place for people to talk about these ideas.  


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As I said, my concern is wikis on sustainability & development, but I'm sure the same issues apply elsewhere, so I'm keeping the project as as broad as possible. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 00:37, 21 September 2006 (EDT)
As I said, my concern is wikis on sustainability & development, but I'm sure the same issues apply elsewhere, so I'm keeping the project as as broad as possible. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 00:37, 21 September 2006 (EDT)


== question from 66.36.243.77 moved from off-topic places ==
==question from 66.36.243.77 moved from off-topic places==
 
Sorry for your time.... Why i can't see images on this resource? My Browser is: Opera. Thank you.
Sorry for your time.... Why i can't see images on this resource? My Browser is: Opera. Thank you.


:See also [http://www.appropedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page this response to the same question] on Appropedia.  
:See also [http://www.appropedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page this response to the same question] on Appropedia.


:Let us know if this helps. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 21:07, 10 October 2006 (EDT)
:Let us know if this helps. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 21:07, 10 October 2006 (EDT)


== Feedback ==
==Feedback==
 
[[Feedback|There]] you have my idea. What do you think about it? Want to add your wiki? --[[User:Let's|Let&#39;s]] 12:02, 10 November 2006 (EST)
[[Feedback|There]] you have my idea. What do you think about it? Want to add your wiki? --[[User:Let's|Let&#39;s]] 12:02, 10 November 2006 (EST)


=="BuildingControlsWiki"==
On page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InterWiki.  I see a link to a "BuildingControlsWiki".  Apparently, that page (including that link) was copied from http://moinmaster.wikiwikiweb.de/InterWikiMap.  Alas, it appears that wiki has gone offline.  Or perhaps it moved? does anyone know where?  --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 01:12, 22 November 2006 (EST)


 
==Category images==
== "BuildingControlsWiki" ==
 
On page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InterWiki
I see a link to a "BuildingControlsWiki".
Apparently, that page (including that link) was copied from
http://moinmaster.wikiwikiweb.de/InterWikiMap
.
Alas, it appears that wiki has gone offline.
Or perhaps it moved? does anyone know where?
--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 01:12, 22 November 2006 (EST)
 
== Category images ==
 
If it's not too server-painful, we can upload an image for each category, for example a French flag for [[:Category:French]], or a image of an iPod at [[:Category:IPod]]. <span title="gotta love Wii">&ndash;</span> [[Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:Smiddle|T]]&middot;[[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]]&middot;[[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 11:23, 7 December 2006 (EST)
If it's not too server-painful, we can upload an image for each category, for example a French flag for [[:Category:French]], or a image of an iPod at [[:Category:IPod]]. <span title="gotta love Wii">&ndash;</span> [[Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:Smiddle|T]]&middot;[[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]]&middot;[[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 11:23, 7 December 2006 (EST)


:If you're looking for flags, openclipart.org has a reasonably full set as public-domain .SVG's. Perhaps you could use those? --[[User:66.102.73.18|66.102.73.18]] 02:22, 15 December 2006 (EST)
:If you're looking for flags, openclipart.org has a reasonably full set as public-domain .SVG's. Perhaps you could use those? --[[User:66.102.73.18|66.102.73.18]] 02:22, 15 December 2006 (EST)


== Duplicate categories ==
==Duplicate categories==
:We do seem to have many redundant categories, for instance [[:category:game]]/[[:category:games]]/[[:category:gaming]]. These seem to often be being #REDIRECT'ed - not necessarily the best approach, as a redirected page still appears to be a blue link and therefore is prone to keep getting added to articles. Would deleting the duplicates entirely so that they become [[red links]] be more likely to discourage their recreation or re-use? The [http://wikiindex.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASmiddle&diff=37811&oldid=37514 politics] is, I presume, just a sideshow and the creation of multiple near-identical categories in most cases merely an accident, but I thought it would be best to ask here instead of trying to find a "votes for speedy deletion" tag for them.
We do seem to have many redundant categories, for instance [[:category:game]]/[[:category:games]]/[[:category:gaming]]. These seem to often be being #REDIRECT'ed - not necessarily the best approach, as a redirected page still appears to be a blue link and therefore is prone to keep getting added to articles. Would deleting the duplicates entirely so that they become [[red links]] be more likely to discourage their recreation or re-use? The [http://wikiindex.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASmiddle&diff=37811&oldid=37514 politics] is, I presume, just a sideshow and the creation of multiple near-identical categories in most cases merely an accident, but I thought it would be best to ask here instead of trying to find a "votes for speedy deletion" tag for them.
This is a community-created site, without a top-down determination of which categories we ought to be using.  If you see duplication, feel free to clean it up.  You can also use '''<nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki>''' for an empty category that needs to be removed. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:27, 15 December 2006 (EST)
This is a community-created site, without a top-down determination of which categories we ought to be using.  If you see duplication, feel free to clean it up.  You can also use '''<nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki>''' for an empty category that needs to be removed. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:27, 15 December 2006 (EST)


==Research and analysis collaboration?==
==Research and analysis collaboration?==
Is anyone interested in working together to learn what is most effective or critical for wikis, especially attracting contributors? If so, please see the [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Analysis_collaboration%3F discussion] at Wikia. [[User:Maurreen|Maurreen]] 15:06, 10 December 2006 (EST)
Is anyone interested in working together to learn what is most effective or critical for wikis, especially attracting contributors? If so, please see the [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Analysis_collaboration%3F discussion] at Wikia. [[User:Maurreen|Maurreen]] 15:06, 10 December 2006 (EST)


== Changing username ==
==Changing username==
 
If I want to change my username, should I just open a new account, or is possible (easy) to change it and keep the edit history, like I did on Wikipedia at [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Changing username]]? Thanks --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 00:41, 19 December 2006 (PST)
If I want to change my username, should I just open a new account, or is possible (easy) to change it and keep the edit history, like I did on Wikipedia at [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Changing username]]? Thanks --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 00:41, 19 December 2006 (PST)
: I just looked at the wikipedia page and they have a special page for "rename user" which we do not have.  Is this some kind of extension? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 22:35, 19 December 2006 (PST)
: I just looked at the wikipedia page and they have a special page for "rename user" which we do not have.  Is this some kind of extension? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 22:35, 19 December 2006 (PST)
::[[Meta-Wiki:Renameuser|Yes it is]]. They have [[Wikipedia:Special:Version|quite a few]] pretty nifty extensions there. &mdash;&nbsp;<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 15:44, 20 December 2006 (PST)
::[[Meta-Wiki:Renameuser|Yes it is]]. They have [[Wikipedia:Special:Version|quite a few]] pretty nifty extensions there. &mdash;&nbsp;<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 15:44, 20 December 2006 (PST)


== Spam protection filter blocks normal editing ==
==Spam protection filter blocks normal editing==
 
I just tried to edit the categories of a page ([[Appropedia]]) and got this message:  
I just tried to edit the categories of a page ([[Appropedia]]) and got this message:  


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:Could I please get a local whitelisting for the site gargoyles.dracandros.com/ (with an http:// at the front). It's for the page on [[GargWiki]]. If this is not an appropriate place to ask about it, where should I go? -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 11:58, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
:Could I please get a local whitelisting for the site gargoyles.dracandros.com/ (with an http:// at the front). It's for the page on [[GargWiki]]. If this is not an appropriate place to ask about it, where should I go? -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 11:58, 14 May 2008 (EDT)


== RecentChanges.info ==
==RecentChanges.info==
 
What happened to the [[RecentChanges.info]] blog ([http://recentchanges.info/])? I followed the instructions on [[Category:Draft weblog article]] to add my wiki posting to [[Template:WikiSpotlight]], but RecentChanges.info seems to have had no update since August 21, 2006! --[[User:84.155.249.44|84.155.249.44]] 10:19, 13 January 2007 (PST)
What happened to the [[RecentChanges.info]] blog ([http://recentchanges.info/])? I followed the instructions on [[Category:Draft weblog article]] to add my wiki posting to [[Template:WikiSpotlight]], but RecentChanges.info seems to have had no update since August 21, 2006! --[[User:84.155.249.44|84.155.249.44]] 10:19, 13 January 2007 (PST)


== wikiindex.com ==
==wikiindex.com==
 
What's up with http://wikiindex.com/ ? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 17:01, 17 April 2007 (PDT)
What's up with
http://wikiindex.com/
?
--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 17:01, 17 April 2007 (PDT)
: Don't know what happened there but I'll check it out [[User:John Stanton|John]] 10:27, 20 April 2007 (PDT)
: Don't know what happened there but I'll check it out [[User:John Stanton|John]] 10:27, 20 April 2007 (PDT)


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::External images are re-enabled (part of the rebuilding process). [[User:John Stanton|John]] 18:32, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
::External images are re-enabled (part of the rebuilding process). [[User:John Stanton|John]] 18:32, 15 May 2007 (EDT)


== Template signatures ==
==Template signatures==
 
Can we have those? &ndash; [[Smiddle]]/<small>[[Talk:Smiddle|T]][[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]][[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 13:13, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
Can we have those? &ndash; [[Smiddle]]/<small>[[Talk:Smiddle|T]][[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]][[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 13:13, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
:Refresh me on the template signatures, what do we need to do? [[User:John Stanton|John]] 18:34, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
:Refresh me on the template signatures, what do we need to do? [[User:John Stanton|John]] 18:34, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
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:::In some wikis, these take up bandwith and stuff, so I were just asking. – [[Smiddle]]/<small>[[Talk:Smiddle|T]][[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]][[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 16:34, 31 May 2007 (EDT)
:::In some wikis, these take up bandwith and stuff, so I were just asking. – [[Smiddle]]/<small>[[Talk:Smiddle|T]][[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]][[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 16:34, 31 May 2007 (EDT)


== Open Call for Editors to Participate in Research Project ==
==Open Call for Editors to Participate in Research Project==
Hi there!
Hi there! My name is Jim Sutton and I'm undertaking research in the School of Library,
 
Archive, and Information Studies, UCL, London. http://www.slais.ucl.ac.uk/
My name is Jim Sutton and I'm undertaking research in the School of Library,
Archive, and Information Studies, UCL, London.
 
http://www.slais.ucl.ac.uk/
 
My research involves studying wiki usage, the reasons why individuals use wikis
and the benefits/disadvantages of using wikis to create and manage knowledge.


I'd be extremely grateful for any feedback you can provide as to your reasons for using/contributing to wikis.
My research involves studying wiki usage, the reasons why individuals use wikis and the benefits/disadvantages of using wikis to create and manage knowledge.  I'd be extremely grateful for any feedback you can provide as to your reasons for using/contributing to wikis. You can submit your feedback through my online survey so please feel free to complete this if you have the time. The survey is available at:  http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/stqa7937/survey/


You can submit your feedback through my online survey so please feel free to complete this if you have the time. The survey is available at:
My research is being carried out jointly with Melissa Terras at UCL http://www.ucl.ac.uk/slais/melissa-terras/ .  Her email address is m.terras (at) ucl.ac.uk .


http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/stqa7937/survey/
I'd be extremely grateful for any help that you can provide. If you have any questions please let me know. I can be emailed at james.sutton (at) ucl.ac.uk . Thank you for your time! [[User:Sutton4019|Sutton4019]] 05:56, 26 June 2007 (EDT)
 
My research is being carried out jointly with Melissa Terras at UCL http://www.ucl.ac.uk/slais/melissa-terras/ . Her email address is m.terras (at) ucl.ac.uk .
 
I'd be extremely grateful for any help that you can provide. If you have any
questions please let me know. I can be emailed at james.sutton (at) ucl.ac.uk . Thank you for your time! [[User:Sutton4019|Sutton4019]] 05:56, 26 June 2007 (EDT)
 
== A wiki for connecting with people locally? ==


==A wiki for connecting with people locally?==
I've often thought about a wiki that would help people to connect, by interest and/or location - e.g. search for geeks in Kuala Lumpur, yogis in Alexandria, knitters in Dallas or people in Sydney's inner west who are into green technology... [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Chriswaterguy/Salsa_in_Sydney Salsa in Sydney] or [http://syxpac.org/Sydney_Geek_Events Sydney Geek Events] or [http://thehughpage.com/Geek_stuff_in_Australia Geek stuff in Australia]. A bit like [http://www.wiserearth.org/ WiserEarth] but unlimited in scope rather than just green stuff.
I've often thought about a wiki that would help people to connect, by interest and/or location - e.g. search for geeks in Kuala Lumpur, yogis in Alexandria, knitters in Dallas or people in Sydney's inner west who are into green technology... [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Chriswaterguy/Salsa_in_Sydney Salsa in Sydney] or [http://syxpac.org/Sydney_Geek_Events Sydney Geek Events] or [http://thehughpage.com/Geek_stuff_in_Australia Geek stuff in Australia]. A bit like [http://www.wiserearth.org/ WiserEarth] but unlimited in scope rather than just green stuff.


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::: Each individual wiki in [[:Category:Cities]] is intensely locally-focused. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 09:37, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
::: Each individual wiki in [[:Category:Cities]] is intensely locally-focused. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 09:37, 18 September 2008 (EDT)


== Advice on choosing a wiki platform ==
==Advice on choosing a wiki platform==
 
Help, I'm a wiki newbie and am a little overwhelmed with all of the options. (My apologies for the horrible formatting, I'll eventually get the hang of it)
Help, I'm a wiki newbie and am a little overwhelmed with all of the options. (My apologies for the horrible formatting, I'll eventually get the hang of it)


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My wiki research indicates that wetpaint or scribble wiki are my best options... but I don't understand the space well enough to know which to choose, or whether to explore other options.
My wiki research indicates that wetpaint or scribble wiki are my best options... but I don't understand the space well enough to know which to choose, or whether to explore other options.


Here are my needs:
Here are my needs:
 
*Price range:  Free would be nice, or under $15 a month  
Price range:  Free would be nice, or under $15 a month  
*Usability:  I'm obviously going to need a WYSIWYG interface
 
*Bells & Whistles:  I'd like 'em all.  Preview, Section editing, email notification etc.
Usability:  I'm obviously going to need a WYSIWYG interface
*Domain:  I don't need to use my own domain
 
*Hosting:  Someone else should host it, I'll just make a mess
Bells & Whistles:  I'd like 'em all.  Preview, Section editing, email notification etc.
*Security:  I need flexibility to control who is able to view and participate for the first few months, then be able to open it up.
 
*Ads: I'd like the option of controlling some of the ad space.  I don't need this right away, but it may become important.  I don't mind other ads being on the page if they're not obnoxious and overly prominent
Domain:  I don't need to use my own domain
 
Hosting:  Someone else should host it, I'll just make a mess
 
Security:  I need flexibility to control who is able to view and participate for the first few months, then be able to open it up.
 
Ads: I'd like the option of controlling some of the ad space.  I don't need this right away, but it may become important.  I don't mind other ads being on the page if they're not obnoxious and overly prominent
 
 
Any advice?
Any advice?


: Don't worry about making the "wrong" choice. If you ever change your mind, it is easy to move content from any wiki to any other wiki.
:Don't worry about making the "wrong" choice. If you ever change your mind, it is easy to move content from any wiki to any other wiki.
: I recommend starting a wiki on *both* your top 2 options, and making prominent links back and forth between them.
:I recommend starting a wiki on *both* your top 2 options, and making prominent links back and forth between them.
: That way, if one is ever temporarily offline, people can immediately use the other one.
:That way, if one is ever temporarily offline, people can immediately use the other one.


: In theory, http://www.wikimatrix.org/ ([[WikiMatrix]]) should quickly steer you to the right choice. Have you tried their [http://www.wikimatrix.org/wizard.php wiki choice wizard]? How can we improve it?
:In theory, http://www.wikimatrix.org/ ([[WikiMatrix]]) should quickly steer you to the right choice. Have you tried their [http://www.wikimatrix.org/wizard.php wiki choice wizard]? How can we improve it?
: I ran through it myself with the criteria you give above, and it gives me [http://communitywiki.org/TooManyWikiEngines TooManyWikiEngines].
:I ran through it myself with the criteria you give above, and it gives me [http://communitywiki.org/TooManyWikiEngines TooManyWikiEngines].
: [tangent] Many newcomers to wiki think that WYSIWYG is absolutely necessary. However, [http://communitywiki.org/WysiwygIsntLinking other people] feel that communicating and connecting ideas is the top priority, and current WYSIWYG wiki implementations make that unnecessarily difficult -- other, simpler ways to edit are better.[/tangent] --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 15:52, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
:[tangent] Many newcomers to wiki think that WYSIWYG is absolutely necessary. However, [http://communitywiki.org/WysiwygIsntLinking other people] feel that communicating and connecting ideas is the top priority, and current WYSIWYG wiki implementations make that unnecessarily difficult -- other, simpler ways to edit are better.[/tangent] --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 15:52, 18 September 2008 (EDT)


: Anyone considering doing this may find the [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Starting_and_Running_a_Wiki_Website Wikibook: "Starting and running a wiki website"] helpful.
:Anyone considering doing this may find the [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Starting_and_Running_a_Wiki_Website Wikibook: "Starting and running a wiki website"] helpful.
: Perhaps also the [[Wiki: RunningYourOwnWikiFaq]]. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 23:15, 11 December 2008 (EST)
:Perhaps also the [[Wiki: RunningYourOwnWikiFaq]]. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 23:15, 11 December 2008 (EST)


==Wikipedia lessons==
==Wikipedia lessons==
I was reading [http://valleywag.com/390598/is-jimmy-wales-getting-wikipedia-in-legal-trouble this article tonight] and was wondering what this might mean for people who run their own wikis regarding legal issues. Thoughts? --[[User:LauraHale|LauraHale]] 23:18, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
I was reading [http://valleywag.com/390598/is-jimmy-wales-getting-wikipedia-in-legal-trouble this article tonight] and was wondering what this might mean for people who run their own wikis regarding legal issues. Thoughts? --[[User:LauraHale|LauraHale]] 23:18, 14 May 2008 (EDT)


== Vandalism ==
==Vandalism==
 
Besides reverting, is there a procedure for dealing with minor vandalism, such as this? [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex&curid=2115&diff=57412&oldid=54947] --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 14:36, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
Besides reverting, is there a procedure for dealing with minor vandalism, such as this? [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex&curid=2115&diff=57412&oldid=54947] --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 14:36, 26 September 2008 (EDT)


== Spam reporting ==
==Spam reporting==
 
Is there a central repository to report spam entries? I'd been reporting them on to an individual admin because I saw someone else do the same thing, but I don't want overburden that person. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 14:40, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
Is there a central repository to report spam entries? I'd been reporting them on to an individual admin because I saw someone else do the same thing, but I don't want overburden that person. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 14:40, 26 September 2008 (EDT)


:Aha! It looks like you can use the {{tl|delete}} template to bring it to the attention of any administrator who is checking that category. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 16:13, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
:Aha! It looks like you can use the {{tl|delete}} template to bring it to the attention of any administrator who is checking that category. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 16:13, 6 October 2008 (EDT)


== Two wikis, one name ==
==Two wikis, one name==
 
What do you do in the case where there is more than one Wiki with the same name? There are two wikis devoted to the Korean(?) FPS ''Blackshot'', both of which use the moniker [[Blackshot Wiki]]. Both seem to be in development, without much content as of yet. Both are linked from Wikiindex article. Maybe I'll try to set up two infoboxes for the short term. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 18:22, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
What do you do in the case where there is more than one Wiki with the same name? There are two wikis devoted to the Korean(?) FPS ''Blackshot'', both of which use the moniker [[Blackshot Wiki]]. Both seem to be in development, without much content as of yet. Both are linked from Wikiindex article. Maybe I'll try to set up two infoboxes for the short term. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 18:22, 6 October 2008 (EDT)


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::In the case of [[Transformers Wiki]], we set up a disambiguation page. This seems like a good solution. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 16:41, 8 May 2009 (EDT)
::In the case of [[Transformers Wiki]], we set up a disambiguation page. This seems like a good solution. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 16:41, 8 May 2009 (EDT)


== Namespace Org/Re-org and general ideas. ==
==Namespace Org/Re-org and general ideas==
 
First of all, I'd like to say a general "hi" to the regulars here, I've been registered, but not really shown myself much. Looking around the wiki, I've decided that for the readers, unless they know their wikis exact name, it is rather difficult to find the wiki they're looking for. Also, if they simply wish to find a list of all wikis on the subject of "cooking", for example, it could be quite challenging. I may be new on the WikiIndex, but I do frequent various wikis across the net, such as [http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page UESP], [http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page ESWiki], [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikipedia], as well as owning a few private wikis, under the two aliases "Jacjohncoles" and "Game Lord". This means that I have a pretty thourough knowledge of how wikis work, both from the editor's point of view, and from the owner's point of view. To get back to why I'm posting this in the first place though. I'm not saying that the wiki is in a disorganized mess, but I am saying that it could, in my opinion at least, be done better. My suggestions to improve organization are the following:
First of all, I'd like to say a general "hi" to the regulars here, I've been registered, but not really shown myself much.
 
Looking around the wiki, I've decided that for the readers, unless they know their wikis exact name, it is rather difficult to find the wiki they're looking for. Also, if they simply wish to find a list of all wikis on the subject of "cooking", for example, it could be quite challenging.
 
I may be new on the WikiIndex, but I do frequent various wikis across the net, such as [http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page UESP], [http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page ESWiki], [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikipedia], as well as owning a few private wikis, under the two aliases "Jacjohncoles" and "Game Lord".
 
This means that I have a pretty thourough knowledge of how wikis work, both from the editor's point of view, and from the owner's point of view.
 
To get back to why I'm posting this in the first place though. I'm not saying that the wiki is in a disorganized mess, but I am saying that it could, in my opinion at least, be done better.
 
My suggestions to improve organization are the following:
*Create seperate Namespaces for the three main subjects that WikiIndex covers. An idea for the Namespace names would be "Wiki", "Editor", and "Idea". This would give us a first step to splitting WikiIndex up into three seperate sections.
*Create seperate Namespaces for the three main subjects that WikiIndex covers. An idea for the Namespace names would be "Wiki", "Editor", and "Idea". This would give us a first step to splitting WikiIndex up into three seperate sections.
*Once we have this, we can proceed further. Each Namespace could have a main page, such as "Wiki:Contents", "Editor:Contents", and "Idea:Contents". In these content pages, we could start with splitting up individual wikis up into sections. Seperate headers for different sortations, such as "Wikis by size", "Wikis by subject" and so on.
*Once we have this, we can proceed further. Each Namespace could have a main page, such as "Wiki:Contents", "Editor:Contents", and "Idea:Contents". In these content pages, we could start with splitting up individual wikis up into sections. Seperate headers for different sortations, such as "Wikis by size", "Wikis by subject" and so on.
*These contents pages, so that they can easily be found, could be linked to from the sidebar. An obvious place to put them would be under "navigation". Equally logical would be to create a new header, called "sections" or something similar.
*These contents pages, so that they can easily be found, could be linked to from the sidebar. An obvious place to put them would be under "navigation". Equally logical would be to create a new header, called "sections" or something similar.
*The categories should probably be linked to from the contents pages. The Category Namespace is extremely valuable to the organization, as they represent an automatically refreshing list of whatever we wish to put there. The wikis themselevs are automatically categorized by the Wiki template. I'm not sure whether this is also done for Editors.
*The categories should probably be linked to from the contents pages. The Category Namespace is extremely valuable to the organization, as they represent an automatically refreshing list of whatever we wish to put there. The wikis themselevs are automatically categorized by the Wiki template. I'm not sure whether this is also done for Editors.


Further organizational ideas doubtlessly exist, but what I've layed out here should, I think, provide a first basis for the WikiIndex.
Further organizational ideas doubtlessly exist, but what I've layed out here should, I think, provide a first basis for the WikiIndex.- [[User:Jacjohncoles|Jacjohncoles]]<sup>[[User_talk:Jacjohncoles|Talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Jacjohncoles|Contribs]]</sup> 16:53, 22 October 2008 (EDT)


- [[User:Jacjohncoles|Jacjohncoles]]<sup>[[User_talk:Jacjohncoles|Talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Jacjohncoles|Contribs]]</sup> 16:53, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
:Hmm. I don't know if you actually need to add extra namespace to do this. I'd say that improvement on the main page, could point to some 'how to use WikiIndex' pages that show people exactly how to find wikis via categories or the search facility. Even if that involved adding a namespace, I don't see why you need to do more than have a single WikiIndex namespace with pages called things like 'WikiIndex:How to use WikiIndex', 'WikiIndex:How to use our search box' and so on. Although, having said that, I would have thought that most of the stuff I've mentioned should go into normal help pages.
 
:Hmm. I don't know if you actually need to add extra namespace to do this. I'd say that improvement on the main page, could point to some 'how to use WikiIndex' pages that show people exactly how to find wikis via categories or the search facility. Even if that involved adding a namespace, I don't see why you need to do more than have a single WikiIndex namespace with pages called things like 'WikiIndex:How to use WikiIndex', 'WikiIndex:How to use our search box' and so on. Although, having said that, I would have thought that most of the stuff I've mentioned should go into normal help pages.  


:What was the reason for your proposed 'Editors' namespace? Was that something that would be used to help find people with WikiIndex user accounts? If so, then I think that categorising users would help. But most users seem to have a very chaotic attitude to their user page, so I can't see how you could do that without getting people to put some sort of template on their page. I think that ''might'' lead to people visiting other people's user pages and telling them 'you have done your user page wrong'. I think that you would need to tread lightly in any attmpt to organise users into groups. Ironically, I got specifically asked to create my user name in the main namespace (instead of the user namespace), so it looks like someone has already decided to do the opposite thing to your suggestion. You might want to find out who decided on that policy and talk to them. It is possible that your 'Editors' namespace would be better done if people were moved back to the 'User' namespace that other wiki editors would expect to see them under. (The Search page is already setup to look for pages within the User namespace, but adding an 'Editors' namespace would create a need to reprogram the Search page.)
:What was the reason for your proposed 'Editors' namespace? Was that something that would be used to help find people with WikiIndex user accounts? If so, then I think that categorising users would help. But most users seem to have a very chaotic attitude to their user page, so I can't see how you could do that without getting people to put some sort of template on their page. I think that ''might'' lead to people visiting other people's user pages and telling them 'you have done your user page wrong'. I think that you would need to tread lightly in any attmpt to organise users into groups. Ironically, I got specifically asked to create my user name in the main namespace (instead of the user namespace), so it looks like someone has already decided to do the opposite thing to your suggestion. You might want to find out who decided on that policy and talk to them. It is possible that your 'Editors' namespace would be better done if people were moved back to the 'User' namespace that other wiki editors would expect to see them under. (The Search page is already setup to look for pages within the User namespace, but adding an 'Editors' namespace would create a need to reprogram the Search page.)
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:What is the Idea thing? Are you talking about general concepts that are not wikis? [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 09:38, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
:What is the Idea thing? Are you talking about general concepts that are not wikis? [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 09:38, 9 May 2009 (EDT)


== articles? ==
==articles?==
Hi everybody.
Hi everybody. I've just signed up.  Can one create an "article" here on say, Barack Obama, to use as a link farm to other wikis: e.g. Wikipedia article on Obama, Conservapedia article on Obama, Uncyclopedia article on Obama, et al?  If not there where can this be done?  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks  [[User:Yartet|Yartet]] 15:56, 15 December 2008 (EST)


I've just signed up.
:I believe that everything is on-topic somewhere [http://www.communitywiki.org/en/OnAndOffTopic].
 
:I would love for Mr. Obama to create a page at WikiIndex about himself, a page that would show the world that he is, in fact, one of the [[:Category:Wiki People]]
Can one create an "article" here on say, Barack Obama, to use as a link farm to other wikis:<br/> e.g. Wikipedia article on Obama, Conservapedia article on Obama, Uncyclopedia article on Obama, et al?<br/>If not there where can this be done?<br/>Any help would be appreciated.<br/>Thanks<br/>[[User:Yartet|Yartet]] 15:56, 15 December 2008 (EST)
:However, the WikiIndex is intended to be a index of wiki.
 
:Since Mr. Obama is not, himself, a wiki, nor (yet) one of the [[:Category:Wiki People]], I don't think it is really appropriate for either of us to create an article about Mr. Obama here at WikiIndex.
: I believe that everything is on-topic somewhere[http://www.communitywiki.org/en/OnAndOffTopic].
:Until then, I think the best place at WikiIndex to put your list of links to wiki that have articles about Mr. Obama is in a "related wiki" section of the [[Obamapedia]] article at WikiIndex.
: I would love for Mr. Obama to create a page at WikiIndex about himself, a page that would show the world that he is, in fact, one of the [[:Category:Wiki People]]
:--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 16:49, 31 December 2008 (EST)
: However, the WikiIndex is intended to be a index of wiki.
: Since Mr. Obama is not, himself, a wiki, nor (yet) one of the [[:Category:Wiki People]], I don't think it is really appropriate for either of us to create an article about Mr. Obama here at WikiIndex.
: Until then, I think the best place at WikiIndex to put your list of links to wiki that have articles about Mr. Obama is in a "related wiki" section of the [[Obamapedia]] article at WikiIndex.
: --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 16:49, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 
== proposal ==


==proposal==
of a structure and naming scheme for wiki sites with multiple language versions: have a look [[WikiIndex:Naming Conventions#multiple language versions|here]] and discuss it before it gets a new recommended standard or so...--[[User:Speckmade|Speckmade]] 18:44, 29 January 2009 (EST)
of a structure and naming scheme for wiki sites with multiple language versions: have a look [[WikiIndex:Naming Conventions#multiple language versions|here]] and discuss it before it gets a new recommended standard or so...--[[User:Speckmade|Speckmade]] 18:44, 29 January 2009 (EST)


== Dead wiki URL taken over by cybersquatters ==
==Dead wiki URL taken over by cybersquatters==
 
What should we do when we link to a wiki, but later we discover that domain name has been hijacked by cybersquatters? Please discuss at [[WikiIndex talk:How do you categorize a wiki that is no longer]].
What should we do when we link to a wiki, but later we discover that domain name has been hijacked by cybersquatters?
Please discuss at
[[WikiIndex talk:How do you categorize a wiki that is no longer]].
 
 
 
== Site reviews ==


==Site reviews==
I recently admonished an anonymous user that this site is about indexing wikis, not providing one's own personal perspective about them. However, now that I look deeper into it, this rule exists in my head, not on WikiIndex. True, we don't typically provide a lot of subjective information about the wikis we list here, but there's really nothing saying that we can't. I brought this up to [[MarkDilley]] and he said that this is a community issue. So I'm bringing it up here on the Community talk page. :-)
I recently admonished an anonymous user that this site is about indexing wikis, not providing one's own personal perspective about them. However, now that I look deeper into it, this rule exists in my head, not on WikiIndex. True, we don't typically provide a lot of subjective information about the wikis we list here, but there's really nothing saying that we can't. I brought this up to [[MarkDilley]] and he said that this is a community issue. So I'm bringing it up here on the Community talk page. :-)


Do we see usefulness in providing reviews or personal experience about the wikis we index here? If so, what limits (if any) should there be regarding this?
Do we see usefulness in providing reviews or personal experience about the wikis we index here? If so, what limits (if any) should there be regarding this?


My personal take is that this could be a useful tool for site visitors. However, a review is only as good as the reviewer. I'd hate to see this site overrun by comments like "this wiki sux". Any thoughts?
My personal take is that this could be a useful tool for site visitors. However, a review is only as good as the reviewer. I'd hate to see this site overrun by comments like "this wiki sux". Any thoughts? --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:09, 8 May 2009 (EDT)
 
--[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:09, 8 May 2009 (EDT)


:One problem with this strategy, is that one of the places I've seen that has a 'review' of a wiki is [[Wikia]]. Wikia is a wikifarm, so the issues that have been brought up on that page relate to any future wiki that someone might choose to host on Wikia (or elsewhere), but they also relate (to a lesser extent) to every wiki that has the Wikia category added to it.
:One problem with this strategy, is that one of the places I've seen that has a 'review' of a wiki is [[Wikia]]. Wikia is a wikifarm, so the issues that have been brought up on that page relate to any future wiki that someone might choose to host on Wikia (or elsewhere), but they also relate (to a lesser extent) to every wiki that has the Wikia category added to it.


:I think you get two types of information from a 'review':
:I think you get two types of information from a 'review':
:* 'opinions' which are personal points of view and might not be shared by other editors and
:*'opinions' which are personal points of view and might not be shared by other editors and
:* 'facts' which can be verified by citations that link directly over to some sort of feature.
:*'facts' which can be verified by citations that link directly over to some sort of feature.


:I've got my doubts about the usefulness of 'opinions'. Everyone has their own opinions about things. If someone was to say that a specific wiki is 'too slow' then how am I supposed to decide how slow that is? But I think that facts (i.e. things that we can provide citations for) are much more likely to be useful to people. If something has a citation, I don't have to decide if user X has his facts straight. I can just surf over and have a look.
:I've got my doubts about the usefulness of 'opinions'. Everyone has their own opinions about things. If someone was to say that a specific wiki is 'too slow' then how am I supposed to decide how slow that is? But I think that facts (i.e. things that we can provide citations for) are much more likely to be useful to people. If something has a citation, I don't have to decide if user X has his facts straight. I can just surf over and have a look.
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::I agree that any review info should be objective rather than subjective, but the question is about notability and fairness of certain "facts". For example, I (repeatedly) posted a "fact" in the [[RationalWiki]] article, that there was a debate about an issue on the talk page. Is it a notable fact? Is it fair to host or link to criticism of one without doing this for any competing wikis or wiki farm? When persistent editors make sure that their favored articles are free of certain "criticisms", is it fair to allow criticism in another article just because there is no one so driven to "protect" it? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 15:58, 23 June 2010 (EDT)
::I agree that any review info should be objective rather than subjective, but the question is about notability and fairness of certain "facts". For example, I (repeatedly) posted a "fact" in the [[RationalWiki]] article, that there was a debate about an issue on the talk page. Is it a notable fact? Is it fair to host or link to criticism of one without doing this for any competing wikis or wiki farm? When persistent editors make sure that their favored articles are free of certain "criticisms", is it fair to allow criticism in another article just because there is no one so driven to "protect" it? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 15:58, 23 June 2010 (EDT)
:::''"By basic information, I mean facts which can be verified empirically (the link, the underlying wiki engine, the statement of purpose, # of pages, etc.). I differentiate this from people's subjective experiences with the wiki. [...] --MarvelZuvembie 20:34, 16 October 2009 (EDT)" Quote is from ''[[WikiIndex_talk:Policies_and_Guidelines#Proposal:_Articles_should_preferably_stick_to_facts|here]] and that is a more recent conversation. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:30, 23 June 2010 (EDT)
:::''"By basic information, I mean facts which can be verified empirically (the link, the underlying wiki engine, the statement of purpose, # of pages, etc.). I differentiate this from people's subjective experiences with the wiki. [...] --MarvelZuvembie 20:34, 16 October 2009 (EDT)" Quote is from ''[[WikiIndex talk:Policies and Guidelines#Proposal: Articles should preferably stick to facts|here]] and that is a more recent conversation. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:30, 23 June 2010 (EDT)
 
== SizeBot? ==
 
I've seen a number of other wikis that have bots that go around and do minor cleanup jobs.
 
Would it possible to create a bot that goes around and checks any pages that contain [[Template:Size]]?
 
This template contains the size of the wiki, but also has a link where the new size can be read. A bot should (hopefully) be able to follow the link, look at the current size of the wiki and then update the number of pages back on WikiIndex.
 
Template:Size also features the wikiFactor, and I wonder if the same bot could also check this information. (Having said that, I know nothing about bot programming and it might be easier to have a second bot to do that.)
 
A bot that searches for wikis that do not currently have a wikiFactor (and then searches the wiki stats to see if it can be added) could also be useful. I know that all wikis work slightly differently, but wiki farms (like [[Wikia]]) generally have the same setup on every wiki, so it might be easier to create a WikiaWikiFactorBot than a multi-wiki wikiFactorBot. But I would think that any automation of moving stats would help keep WikiIndex as up to date as possible.
 
If a number of bots could be created to do these minor update tasks, the pages the bots can not cope with could be added to some sort of 'Wikis that need manual patrol' category, and people could use that category to help find the pages that don't look after themselves. [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 09:05, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
 
:I think that's a great idea. This seems like it would easy to do, but like you, I haven't used bots, so I'm only assuming. Anyone have any bot-creation experience? --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 19:45, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
 
::Yes, I have. I will try to do something. [[User:Emijrp|Emijrp]] 02:00, 3 November 2010 (PDT)
 
:::I [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=CreationWiki&curid=15873&diff=89839&oldid=85515 did it]. Please, give bot flag to [[User:Emijrpbot]]. [[User:Emijrp|emijrp]] 11:58, 15 December 2011 (PST)


== Non-English characters in PAGENAME ==
==SizeBot?==
I've seen a number of other [[wiki]]s that have bots that go around and do minor cleanup jobs.  Would it possible to create a [[:Category:User Bot|bot]] that goes around and checks any pages that contain [[Template:Size]]?  This [[:Category:Templates|template]] contains the size of the wiki, but also has a link where the new size can be read.  A bot should (hopefully) be able to follow the link, look at the current size of the wiki and then update the number of pages back on [[WikiIndex]].


There are several wikis in [[:Category:Wiki Korean]] for which the PAGENAME is written in Korean characters which cannot be reproduced on my computer. I don't know Unicode from a unicorn, but my computer can display a surprising variety of characters from different languages (Chinese, Japanese, Hindi, Thai, Hebrew, Arabic, etc.), but it has trouble with Korean and Burmese. I'm wondering if these pages should be moved to a new PAGENAME. I'm not trying to be English-centric (or Roman-alphabet-centric), notwithstanding that this site is already pretty much that way. But standing operating procedure seems to be to use the English name ([[wp:exonym|an exonym]]) in the namespace and then add redirects to that page for the name in the native language ([[wp:endonym|endonym]]). Alternatively, we could leave these articles as they are but add redirects using the Roman alphabet (assuming we can find a translation). I think I'm going to use that plan for now. I'm just wondering what would be of most benefit for our visitors. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 19:43, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
Template:Size also features the wikiFactor, and I wonder if the same bot could also check this information. (Having said that, I know nothing about bot programming and it might be easier to have a second bot to do that.) A bot that searches for wikis that do not currently have a wikiFactor (and then searches the wiki stats to see if it can be added) could also be useful.  I know that all wikis work slightly differently, but wiki farms (like [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]]) generally have the same setup on every wiki, so it might be easier to create a WikiaWikiFactorBot than a multi-wiki wikiFactorBot. But I would think that any automation of moving stats would help keep WikiIndex as up to date as possible.


== Template:New Person ==
If a number of [[:Category:User Bot|bots]] could be created to do these minor update tasks, the pages the bots can not cope with could be added to some sort of 'Wikis that need manual patrol' category, and people could use that category to help find the pages that don't look after themselves.  [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 09:05, 9 May 2009 (EDT)


What is the purpose of [[Template:New Person]] ?
:I think that's a great idea.  This seems like it would easy to do, but like you, I haven't used bots, so I'm only assuming. Anyone have any bot-creation experience? --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 19:45, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
I also looked at the discussion page of that template, which left me even more confused.
--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 10:10, 22 October 2009 (EDT)


== visual wiki ==
::Yes, I have.  I will try to do something.  [[User:Emijrp|Emijrp]] 02:00, 3 November 2010 (PDT)


Is http://VisWiki.com -- previously at http://VisualWikipedia.com -- a wiki, which therefore needs a WikiIndex article?
:::I [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=CreationWiki&curid=15873&diff=89839&oldid=85515 did it]. Please, give bot flag to [[User:Emijrpbot]]. [[User:Emijrp|emijrp]] 11:58, 15 December 2011 (PST)


Or is it merely a non-editable alternate "view" into Wikipedia and other information sources?
==Non-English characters in PAGENAME==
There are several wikis in [[:Category:Wiki Korean]] for which the PAGENAME is written in Korean characters which cannot be reproduced on my computer.  I don't know Unicode from a unicorn, but my computer can display a surprising variety of characters from different languages (Chinese, Japanese, Hindi, Thai, Hebrew, Arabic, etc.), but it has trouble with Korean and Burmese.  I'm wondering if these pages should be moved to a new PAGENAME.  I'm not trying to be English-centric (or Roman-alphabet-centric), notwithstanding that this site is already pretty much that way.  But standing operating procedure seems to be to use the English name ([[wp:exonym|an exonym]]) in the namespace and then add redirects to that page for the name in the native language ([[wp:endonym|endonym]]).  Alternatively, we could leave these articles as they are but add redirects using the Roman alphabet (assuming we can find a translation).  I think I'm going to use that plan for now.  I'm just wondering what would be of most benefit for our visitors. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 19:43, 9 May 2009 (EDT)


(This is, of course, completely independent of the the Visual Language wiki [[Visual]], which I'm trying to get back online ...)
==Template:New Person==
--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 21:57, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
What is the purpose of [[Template:New Person]]?  I also looked at the discussion page of that template, which left me even more confused. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 10:10, 22 October 2009 (EDT)


== Websites_Wiki ==
==visual wiki==
Is http://VisWiki.com -- previously at http://VisualWikipedia.com -- a wiki, which therefore needs a WikiIndex article?  Or is it merely a non-editable alternate "view" into Wikipedia and other information sources?  (This is, of course, completely independent of the the Visual Language wiki [[Visual]], which I'm trying to get back online ...)  --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 21:57, 23 October 2009 (EDT)


Are you aware of http://websites.wikia.com/wiki/Websites_Wiki, Wikia's probable answer to the ailing ODP and the defunct Zeal.com? It follows a successful-looking German version.
==Websites Wiki==
Are you aware of http://websites.wikia.com/wiki/Websites_Wiki, Wikia's probable answer to the ailing ODP and the defunct Zeal.com? It follows a successful-looking German version.


It may start competing with WikiIndex soon. There are stirrings. You folks may want to see if you can come to some arrangement, perhaps involving reciprocal links on the basis that Wikia doesn't list any more wikis.
It may start competing with WikiIndex soon. There are stirrings. You folks may want to see if you can come to some arrangement, perhaps involving reciprocal links on the basis that Wikia doesn't list any more wikis. [[User:Robin Patterson|Robin Patterson]] 07:52, 31 January 2010 (EST)
 
[[User:Robin Patterson|Robin Patterson]] 07:52, 31 January 2010 (EST)
 
Hi Robin, I checked it out and it doesn't look very active - are you suggesting that people are amping up for major activity there?  Best, [[MarkDilley]]


:Hi Robin, I checked it out and it doesn't look very active - are you suggesting that people are amping up for major activity there?  Best, [[MarkDilley]]


==I'm looking for a speakeasy kinda wiki==
==I'm looking for a speakeasy kinda wiki==
What wikis are there, their lists, or categories where the people are cool, but also tolerant. Where I can do OR and POV's, upload regardless of some ''stoopid'' copyright guidelines, post articles regardless of notability, and upload <s>pornographic images</s> images of sexually liberated women (even stuff that might be hardcore--but not too much like the ones at the video shops). I doubt Anarchopedia and Wikinfo would allow such, as worthy as they are. Would I be incorrect to assume that it would likely have, say, less than 2 000 pages and 10 edits a day? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.[[User:205.189.194.251|205.189.194.251]] 19:10, 31 March 2010 (EDT)
What wikis are there, their lists, or categories where the people are cool, but also tolerant. Where I can do OR and POV's, upload regardless of some ''stoopid'' copyright guidelines, post articles regardless of notability, and upload <s>pornographic images</s> images of sexually liberated women (even stuff that might be hardcore -- but not too much like the ones at the video shops). I doubt Anarchopedia and Wikinfo would allow such, as worthy as they are. Would I be incorrect to assume that it would likely have, say, less than 2,000 pages and 10 edits a day? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. [[User:205.189.194.251|205.189.194.251]] 19:10, 31 March 2010 (EDT)


== Dump or backup ==
==Dump or backup==
 
Hi all. Before starting to participate in this wiki, I would like to know if there are public dumps or backups. I mean, I like to have copies of the free licensed projects where I collaborate. I don't like when a fantastic projects disappear in a data disaster. MediaWiki contains a script for generating dumps. You can read more about this [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki#XML_dump here]. Regards. [[User:Emijrp|Emijrp]] 02:30, 3 November 2010 (PDT)
Hi all. Before starting to participate in this wiki, I would like to know if there are public dumps or backups. I mean, I like to have copies of the free licensed projects where I collaborate. I don't like when a fantastic projects disappear in a data disaster. MediaWiki contains a script for generating dumps. You can read more about this [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki#XML_dump here]. Regards. [[User:Emijrp|Emijrp]] 02:30, 3 November 2010 (PDT)


:I'd check with [[Mark Dilley]]. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:49, 4 November 2010 (PDT)
:I'd check with [[Mark Dilley]]. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:49, 4 November 2010 (PDT)
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::Any updates on this? [[User:Emijrp|emijrp]] 02:31, 5 April 2011 (PDT)
::Any updates on this? [[User:Emijrp|emijrp]] 02:31, 5 April 2011 (PDT)


I have made a backup of wikiindex. It is [https://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/downloads/list?can=2&q=wikiindex here] with [http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/downloads/list some other wikis]. I used a software I developed which extract the data from [[Special:Export]]. Enjoy. [[User:Emijrp|emijrp]] 14:39, 10 April 2011 (PDT)
I have made a backup of WikiIndex. It is [http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/downloads/list?can=2&q=wikiindex here] with [http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/downloads/list some other wikis]. I used a software I developed which extract the data from [[Special:Export]]. Enjoy. [[User:Emijrp|emijrp]] 14:39, 10 April 2011 (PDT)


== Missing wikis ==
==Missing wikis==
 
Hi all. What do you think about [[wiki]]s which disappear? I think that every year a lot of wikis are deleted or get offline. I saw a few years ago how most of the wikis available in the ScribbleWiki hosting were lost forever. How can we avoid this? A lot of wikis are free licensed, and nobody cares about getting a copy or backup. That is incredible! [[User:Emijrp|Emijrp]] 09:57, 3 November 2010 (PDT)
Hi all. What do you think about wikis which disappear? I think that every year a lot of wikis are deleted or get offline. I saw a few years ago how most of the wikis available in the ScribbleWiki hosting were lost forever. How can we avoid this? A lot of wikis are free licensed, and nobody cares about getting a copy or backup. That is incredible! [[User:Emijrp|Emijrp]] 09:57, 3 November 2010 (PDT)


:That's an interesting question. What should the lifecycle of a wiki be? Were they meant to last forever? I didn't realize just how many wikis there are until I discovered WikiIndex. Having now shallowly observed several hundred wikis, in my opinion, not all of them deserve to live forever. And clearly, some were designed with a limited-time purpose, not to be relevant a decade later. But I take your point, a lot of good information and hard work can be lost if site owners or hosts are careless. The best advice I can offer to avoid this is for people to plan their wikis carefully. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:48, 4 November 2010 (PDT)
:That's an interesting question. What should the lifecycle of a wiki be? Were they meant to last forever? I didn't realize just how many wikis there are until I discovered WikiIndex. Having now shallowly observed several hundred wikis, in my opinion, not all of them deserve to live forever. And clearly, some were designed with a limited-time purpose, not to be relevant a decade later. But I take your point, a lot of good information and hard work can be lost if site owners or hosts are careless. The best advice I can offer to avoid this is for people to plan their wikis carefully. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:48, 4 November 2010 (PDT)
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:: As a specific example, what happened to http://de.wikiindex.org/ ? It is mentioned at [[WikiIndex:FrequentlyAskedQuestions]], but today it seems to be offline ? Did anyone grab a backup before it was too late? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 15:20, 1 February 2011 (PST)
:: As a specific example, what happened to http://de.wikiindex.org/ ? It is mentioned at [[WikiIndex:FrequentlyAskedQuestions]], but today it seems to be offline ? Did anyone grab a backup before it was too late? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 15:20, 1 February 2011 (PST)


== Where to highlight a Q&A site about wikis? ==
==Where to highlight a Q&A site about wikis?==
 
This question was asked on the [[Talk:Welcome#Where should I highlight a wiki collaboration project.3F|Welcome talk page]].
This question was asked on the [[Talk:Welcome#Where_should_I_highlight_a_wiki_collaboration_project.3F|Welcome talk page]].
:Thanks to ''MarvelZuvembie'' for posting that (above). Here's the blurb:
: Thanks to ''MarvelZuvembie'' for posting that (above). Here's the blurb:


I have, together with some others, put together a proposal for a wiki Q&A site called '''[http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/13716/wikispeedia WikiSpeedia]'''. The goal is to provide help and community for experts and moderators across a variety of wiki platforms.
I have, together with some others, put together a proposal for a wiki Q&A site called '''[http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/13716/wikispeedia WikiSpeedia]'''. The goal is to provide help and community for experts and moderators across a variety of wiki platforms.
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--[[User:Mark Robinson|Mark Robinson]] 04:14, 7 November 2010 (PST)
--[[User:Mark Robinson|Mark Robinson]] 04:14, 7 November 2010 (PST)


: A site that discusses wiki, even if it is not a wiki itself, is on-topic for us to talk about it here at the WikiIndex. I think the simplest approach is to promote it the same as we promote a new wiki -- create a page for it, add it to the top of the list of new wiki on the home page, etc. Even though, at the moment, WikiSpeedia is merely one page proposing a site, and so technically not yet a wiki.
:A site that discusses wiki, even if it is not a wiki itself, is on-topic for us to talk about it here at the [[WikiIndex]]. I think the simplest approach is to promote it the same as we promote a new wiki -- create a page for it, add it to the top of the list of new wiki on the home page, etc. Even though, at the moment, WikiSpeedia is merely one page proposing a site, and so technically not yet a wiki.


: p.s.: Is there a category that means "wiki-on-wiki conversation is on-topic", so I can tag [[WikiSpeedia]] and [[MeatballWiki]] and [[CommunityWiki.org]] and [[MediaWiki]] and other appropriate pages here with that category? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 09:30, 1 February 2011 (PST)
:p.s.: Is there a category that means "wiki-on-wiki conversation is on-topic", so I can tag [[WikiSpeedia]] and [[MeatballWiki]] and [[CommunityWiki.org]] and [[MediaWiki]] and other appropriate pages here with that category? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 09:30, 1 February 2011 (PST)


:: A central web site for everything related to Wikis is extremely necessary. I just found WikiIndex today and it looks like the best place for that. Too bad that it took me more than 1 year to find it... One weakness at Wikipedia is that it doesn't have a web forum. The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump Village Pump] is good, but far from good enough. It's practically impossible to follow an idea posted weeks ago (there are archives for each day - for example [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2007_November_24 2007_November_24]). That's why a forum is required. A forum for everything related to Wiki. On a forum it is possible to write on the same thread even after weeks, months and years from the last post, coming with a creative and valuable answer or idea. The forum should have sub-forums for ''mediawiki and for other wiki engines'', another one for ''wiki farms'', another one for ''wikis by category'', another one for ''ideas for new wikis'' where people can search for partners to start new wikis with, another one for ''technical hep'', and so on. For example, I need to translate a template like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Columns-list to my own wiki and I don't know how to do it. Many other mediawiki users need some basic templates for their wikis and they don't know how to get them. That's why WikiSpeedia can be so helpful. It's extremely important to have a central hub for all wiki users and experts. [[User:WikiFan|WikiFan]] 20:34, 1 November 2011 (PDT)
::A central web site for everything related to Wikis is extremely necessary. I just found WikiIndex today and it looks like the best place for that. Too bad that it took me more than 1 year to find it... One weakness at Wikipedia is that it doesn't have a web forum. The [[wp:Wikipedia:Village pump|Village Pump]] is good, but far from good enough. It's practically impossible to follow an idea posted weeks ago (there are archives for each day - for example [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2007_November_24 2007 November 24]). That's why a forum is required. A forum for everything related to Wiki. On a forum it is possible to write on the same thread even after weeks, months and years from the last post, coming with a creative and valuable answer or idea. The forum should have sub-forums for ''mediawiki and for other wiki engines'', another one for ''wiki farms'', another one for ''wikis by category'', another one for ''ideas for new wikis'' where people can search for partners to start new wikis with, another one for ''technical hep'', and so on. For example, I need to translate a template like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Columns-list to my own wiki and I don't know how to do it. Many other mediawiki users need some basic templates for their wikis and they don't know how to get them. That's why WikiSpeedia can be so helpful. It's extremely important to have a central hub for all wiki users and experts. [[User:WikiFan|WikiFan]] 20:34, 1 November 2011 (PDT)


== New lists ==
==New lists==
Hi. I have added some semantic properties to {{tl|Size}} and now these rankings are possible: [[List of wikis by number of pages]], [[List of wikis by wikifactor]]. Semantic MediaWiki extension is powerful and WikiIndex is not using all its power. [[User:Emijrp|emijrp]] 12:16, 15 December 2011 (PST)
:''Is it possible for you to intengrated size and wikiFactor into the wiki template?  Best, [[MarkDilley]]''


Hi. I have added some semantic properties to {{tl|Size}} and now these rankings are possible: [[List of wikis by number of pages]], [[List of wikis by wikifactor]]. Semantic MediaWiki extension is powerful and WikiIndex is not using all its power. [[User:Emijrp|emijrp]] 12:16, 15 December 2011 (PST)
[[Category:WikiIndex|Community talk]]
: ''Is it possible for you to intengrated size and wikiFactor into the wiki template?  Best, [[MarkDilley]]''
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