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 I was initially under the impression that [[WikiIndex]] had such a policy, not unlike Wikipedia's [[neutral point of view]] policy. However, somewhere along the line, [[Mark Dilley]] pointed out to me that the mission of WikiIndex does not preclude providing personal commentary on the wikis listed here. I'd link to this comment, but I no longer remember where this took place. Anyway, I think that this choice leaves us open to the [[edit war]]s which took place recently, which is why I'm not keen on it. Sticking to the facts is more akin to my way of thinking. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 04:52, 4 October 2009 (EDT)
 :[[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia's]] policy on NPOV is connected to its policy on [[Verifiable|verifiablity]]. This usually requires third-party published sources. That would eliminate most of this wiki. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 17:26, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
-:I sorta agree with you, but it is easier said than done. I tried to post some "facts" in the [[RationalWiki (en)]] article. My way of doing that is to quote sources and say who claimed what. Some problems with this are that it looks tacky, often sounds suspicious, and can be very repetitive when everything is something someone claims. More on that [http://Lumeniki.Referata.com/wiki/WikiIndex_(unwritten)_policies#Verifiability here]. (Another scuffle broke out [[Talk:RationalWiki#Edit wars|over an ambiguous statement]]. This is where "[[assume good faith]]" comes in.) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 17:26, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
+:I sorta agree with you, but it is easier said than done. I tried to post some "facts" in the [[RationalWiki (en)]] article. My way of doing that is to quote sources and say who claimed what. Some problems with this are that it looks tacky, often sounds suspicious, and can be very repetitive when everything is something someone claims. More on that [http://Lumeniki.Referata.com/wiki/WikiIndex_(unwritten)_policies#Verifiability here]. (Another scuffle broke out [[Talk:RationalWiki (en)#Edit wars|over an ambiguous statement]]. This is where "[[assume good faith]]" comes in.) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 17:26, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
 :(BTW, I've been trying to see if we can't get some extensions installed for footnotes/[[citation]]s, to make these more tidy, but this wouldn't really solve the above issues. If I remember correctly we would need {{Mw|Extension:Cite}} and {{Mw|Extension:ParserFunctions}}.) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 17:26, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
 :Dilley does seem to agree with "neutralizing" any comments that are added, by rewriting them. This would be better than altering quotes, in my view (another small "conflict" recently). [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 17:26, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
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 ==When [[User:Huw Powell|Huw]] deleted 90% of the page==
 [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex%3APolicies_and_Guidelines&diff=72573&oldid=72554 Here is the edit] and [[User:Huw Powell|Huw's]] [[edit summary]], "This looks to me like the most sensible version - ''please'' use the talk page to discuss changes rather than piling up quoted stuff on the project page".
-:Felix and I discussed this in chat (one of the reasons I don't like to use "private" correspondence for these things). One issue we apparently agreed on, is that having a policy that forbids deleting things can be a source of confusion, [[edit war]]ing, and premature blocking. You might notice how three [[RationalWiki (en)]] [[bureaucrat]]s; you, [[User:Nx]], and [[Phantom Hoover]], often delete large amounts of work written by others. Isn't it kind of ironic that you would restore the policy that forbids this?... and that you do this by deleting a large amount of work written by others? If you think the most "sensible" version says, "Controversial content should also not be deleted, but debated on the [[talk page]]s and/or improved by adding quotations, references, and anything else that may serve as evidence for (or against) it," please tell us how a sensible administrator should react when you delete controversial content? (A few other examples of Huw deleting content that was apparently "controversial" to him [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Lumeniki&diff=71068&oldid=71030] [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Lumeniki&diff=70634&oldid=70618] [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=RationalWiki&diff=70039&oldid=70035] [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=RationalWiki&diff=70631&oldid=70606].)
+:Felix and I discussed this in chat (one of the reasons I don't like to use "private" correspondence for these things). One issue we apparently agreed on, is that having a policy that forbids deleting things can be a source of confusion, [[edit war]]ing, and premature blocking. You might notice how three [[RationalWiki (en)]] [[bureaucrat]]s; you, [[User:Nx]], and [[Phantom Hoover]], often delete large amounts of work written by others. Isn't it kind of ironic that you would restore the policy that forbids this?... and that you do this by deleting a large amount of work written by others? If you think the most "sensible" version says, "Controversial content should also not be deleted, but debated on the [[talk page]]s and/or improved by adding quotations, references, and anything else that may serve as evidence for (or against) it," please tell us how a sensible administrator should react when you delete controversial content? (A few other examples of Huw deleting content that was apparently "controversial" to him [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Lumeniki&diff=71068&oldid=71030] [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Lumeniki&diff=70634&oldid=70618] [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=RationalWiki_(en)&diff=70039&oldid=70035] [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=RationalWiki_(en)&diff=70631&oldid=70606].)
 ::Hi Lumenos.  You forgot to sign your post.  Yeah, I ripped out a bunch of tripe.  Oh well, may I way have been wrong.  But your axe-grinding is getting really tiresome. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 02:35, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
 :::Thanks for indicating this was my post. Now prepare to be utterly humiliated when your fewlishness is exposed before all. ;-) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 17:26, 7 October 2009 (EDT)