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'''let.sysops.be''' ('''''lsb''''') was a wiki dealing with the professional issues of the shift to {{tag|peer-to-peer}} (P2P) and to user-authored content (so-called {{tag|Web 2.0}}, [[wiki]]-centric).  Major assumptions include the 'right to leave' hosts without losing data or 'technical barriers' (including the ability to [[fork]] wikis very easily as guaranteed by [[:Category:Open content|open content]] and open configuration), democratization of naming, flattening of namespaces, and [[:Category:Trolling|trolls]].
'''let.sysops.be''' ('''''lsb''''') was a wiki site dealing with the professional issues of the shift to {{tag|peer-to-peer}} (P2P) and to user-authored content (so-called {{tag|Web 2.0}}, [[wiki]]-centric).  Major assumptions include the 'right to leave' hosts without losing data or 'technical barriers' (including the ability to [[fork]] wikis very easily as guaranteed by [[:Category:Open content|open content]] and open configuration), democratization of naming, flattening of namespaces, and [[:Category:Trolling|trolls]].


*the essay on [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/The_real_web_3.0 the real web 3.0] provides a good starting point to understand the scope of coverage.
*the essay on [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/The_real_web_3.0 the real web 3.0] provides a good starting point to understand the scope of coverage.


==Not for beginners==
==Not for beginners==
The target audience appears to be {{tag|software}} and service architects and perhaps academics and students.  It maintains a [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Category:Defensible list of articles on topics that are considered defensible], though the references on many articles are weak.  It also maintains a [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Categpory:Praxis list of practices actually used].  These seem to take some pressure off to allow more speculative or opinionated statements on pages without these tags.  This is one of many {{tag|GreatFeature|good practices}} followed in this wiki.
The target audience appears to be {{tag|software}} and service architects and perhaps academics and students.  It maintains a [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Category:Defensible list of articles on topics that are considered defensible], though the references on many articles are weak.  It also maintains a [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Categpory:Praxis list of practices actually used].  These seem to take some pressure off to allow more speculative or opinionated statements on pages without these tags.  This is one of many {{tag|great feature|good practices}} followed in this wiki.


===Design economics===
===Design economics===
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Among the most immediately useful articles on design economics and metaphors include:
Among the most immediately useful articles on design economics and metaphors include:
*[http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Mediawiki_gronks a sadly long list of ways MediaWiki confuses users]
*[http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Mediawiki_gronks a sadly long list of ways MediaWiki confuses users]
*the [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Category:capital_asset categorization of capital assets] and the explanation of the [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Capital_asset_model way they combine to create value]
*the [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Category:Capital_asset categorization of capital assets] and the explanation of the [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Capital_asset_model way they combine to create value]
*the [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Twelve_levers definition of the twelve levers] and Forrester's Law
*the [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Twelve_levers definition of the twelve levers] and Forrester's Law
*definition of the [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Five_levels_of_intranet five levels of intranet]
*definition of the [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Five_levels_of_intranet five levels of intranet]
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*the state of the art [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Wiki_best_practice wiki best practice] list
*the state of the art [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Wiki_best_practice wiki best practice] list


For the more political aspects it often defers to definitions at [[Openpolitics.ca]], [[SourceWatch]], [[Embodimentwiki.org]] (an even more sophisticated psychology/biology wiki).  A central political question is who controls the editorial and governance path on a shared web service like a wiki.  The [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Category:Trolling many articles dealing with trolls and trolling] making the assumption appropriate to P2P, that they must be dealt with as equals.  ''This is why P2P best describes this wiki's purpose.''
For the more political aspects it often defers to definitions at [[Open politics (Openpolitics.ca)|Openpolitics.ca]], [[SourceWatch]], [[Embodimentwiki.org]] (an even more sophisticated [[:Category:Psychology|psychology]] / [[:Category:Biology|biology]] wiki).  A central political question is who controls the editorial and governance path on a shared web service like a wiki.  The [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Category:Trolling many articles dealing with trolls and trolling] making the assumption appropriate to P2P, that they must be dealt with as equals.  ''This is why P2P best describes this wiki's purpose.''


===Technical coverage===
===Technical coverage===
Technical coverage is no less sophisticated.  The level of discourse is high and includes most or all of the very hardest problems in security, hardware, software and online service design.  Some of the interesting technical material for wikiindex users includes:
Technical coverage is no less sophisticated.  The level of discourse is high and includes most or all of the very hardest problems in security, hardware, software and online service design.  Some of the interesting technical material for WikiIndex users includes:
*the [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Open_configuration definition of open configuration] which lays out the terms of reference to integrate P2P with conventional/mainframish web host
*the [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Open_configuration definition of open configuration] which lays out the terms of reference to integrate P2P with conventional / mainframish web host
*the [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Open_host more detailed definition of an open host] which would make it possible to move all services (email, web hosting, wikis) around like P2P services
*the [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Open_host more detailed definition of an open host] which would make it possible to move all services (email, web hosting, wikis) around like P2P services
*explanation of the [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Verb/noun/type verb/noun/type] API design theory
*explanation of the [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Verb/noun/type verb/noun/type] API design theory
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==Teaching wiki==
==Teaching wiki==
As the material reads like a bunch of notes for a series of graduate courses, it isn't surprising that the wiki recommends picking a particular category and reading everything in it, then asking a lot of questions or adding contrary opinions or references, which the "old trolls" (what the sysops call themselves) will deal with rigorously.  Part of the wiki ideology espoused, aside from generally [[troll-friendly]] policy and shunning of [[sysop vandalism]] and sysop vigilantism, is that '''''a wiki, in order to work, must necessarily focus on the content, and avoid social factors deciding what is discussed or debated.''''' To this end, let.sysops.be encourages anonymous trolls, keeps 'first person' discourse on [[talk page]]s and [[user page]]s, and '''''evaluates every policy from the perspective of disinterested or hostile new users with knowledge worth sharing - the so-called 'new troll point of view'.'''''  Like [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]], let.sysops.be remains [[:Category:OpenEdit|open for anyone to edit]], to satisfy the [[scientific method]], in which any contrary evidence is allowed to invalidate any thesis, and even wholly untrusted critics must be heard and answered.  To further enable hearing out minority point of view, {{tag|issue/position/argument}} structure is employed.  Anyone who finds the dominant point of view on a page is making it hard to express his or her argument can re-organize the controversial points into [[logic tree]]s.  If debate gets intense, evidence, sources, and authority handling are all built into the category scheme.
As the material reads like a bunch of notes for a series of graduate courses, it isn't surprising that the wiki recommends picking a particular category and reading everything in it, then asking a lot of questions or adding contrary opinions or references, which the 'old trolls' (what the sysops call themselves) will deal with rigorously.  Part of the wiki ideology espoused, aside from generally troll-friendly policy and shunning of [[sysop vandalism]] and sysop vigilantism, is that '''''a wiki, in order to work, must necessarily focus on the content, and avoid social factors deciding what is discussed or debated.''''' To this end, let.sysops.be encourages anonymous trolls, keeps 'first person' discourse on [[talk page]]s and [[user page]]s, and '''''evaluates every policy from the perspective of disinterested or hostile new users with knowledge worth sharing - the so-called 'new troll point of view'.'''''  Like [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]], let.sysops.be remains [[:Category:OpenEdit|open for anyone to edit]], to satisfy the scientific method, in which any contrary evidence is allowed to invalidate any thesis, and even wholly untrusted critics must be heard and answered.  To further enable hearing out minority point of view, {{tag|issue/position/argument}} structure is employed.  Anyone who finds the dominant point of view on a page is making it hard to express his or her argument can re-organize the controversial points into logic trees.  If debate gets intense, evidence, sources, and authority handling are all built into the category scheme.


===Good examples===
===Good examples===
This category scheme seems to be the major feature of this wiki.  To put it simply, every infrastructural aspect of hardware and connectivity to get to the first wiki edit is defined as part of infrastructure and [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Category:Infra goes in one category 'infra'], as everything social and financial (like selling and training) that happens after that [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Category:Ultra goes in another category 'ultra'].  The [[first wiki edit]] is treated as the most important distinction of all!
This category scheme seems to be the major feature of this wiki.  To put it simply, every infrastructural aspect of hardware and connectivity to get to the first wiki edit is defined as part of infrastructure and [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Category:Infra goes in one category 'infra'], as everything social and financial (like selling and training) that happens after that [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Category:Ultra goes in another category 'ultra'].  The first wiki edit is treated as the most important distinction of all!


Other good examples of best practice include:
Other good examples of best practice include:
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*keeping command terms that have specific meanings in REST protocols (like "get") in a "[http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Verb:Namespace verb namespace]" to keep the strict technological meaning separate from the ordinary conversation meaning
*keeping command terms that have specific meanings in REST protocols (like "get") in a "[http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Verb:Namespace verb namespace]" to keep the strict technological meaning separate from the ordinary conversation meaning
*keeping good documentation of internal practices such as [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Edit_summary_tag edit summary tag]s and [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/page_name_prefix page name prefix]es
*keeping good documentation of internal practices such as [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Edit_summary_tag edit summary tag]s and [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/page_name_prefix page name prefix]es
*insisting articles [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Adopt_Wikipedia_names adopt Wikipedia names] when talking about roughly the same topic, and further adopting their naming conventions
*insisting articles [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Adopt_Wikipedia_names adopt Wikipedia names] when talking about roughly the same topic, and further adopting their naming conventions.


The entire wiki, which is named '''eg''', is designed to make it easy to copy and cut out all content not relevant to a specific purpose, while keeping as many pages as possible.
The entire wiki, which is named '''eg''', is designed to make it easy to copy and cut out all content not relevant to a specific purpose, while keeping as many pages as possible.
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==AKA==
==AKA==
Sometime around 2010, let.sysops.be also became known as the [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Efficient_Civics_Guild Efficient Civics Guild].
Sometime around 2010, let.sysops.be also became known as the [http://let.sysops.be/wiki/Efficient_Civics_Guild Efficient Civics Guild].
==External links==
*[https://archive.is/http://let.sysops.be/* List of 60 archived URL snapshots for <tt>let.sysops.be/*</tt>] — at [[archive.is]]


[[Category:Politics]]
[[Category:Politics]]

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let.sysops.be (lsb) was a wiki site dealing with the professional issues of the shift to peer-to-peer (P2P) and to user-authored content (so-called Web 2.0, wiki-centric). Major assumptions include the 'right to leave' hosts without losing data or 'technical barriers' (including the ability to fork wikis very easily as guaranteed by open content and open configuration), democratization of naming, flattening of namespaces, and trolls.

  • the essay on the real web 3.0 provides a good starting point to understand the scope of coverage.

Not for beginners[edit]

The target audience appears to be software and service architects and perhaps academics and students. It maintains a list of articles on topics that are considered defensible, though the references on many articles are weak. It also maintains a list of practices actually used. These seem to take some pressure off to allow more speculative or opinionated statements on pages without these tags. This is one of many good practices followed in this wiki.

Design economics[edit]

LSB covers design issues from a hardcore economic and analytic "systems perspective" with the basic assumption that the fantasy world of the net is merging with IRL politics and economics. The individuals whose views are cited in depth include Clay Shirky, George Lakoff, Donella Meadows, Jay Forrester, Craig Hubley, Marcus Ranum, Donald Knuth, Bill Joy, Ron Dembo, Bernard Crick, and many others whose expertise spans psychology, management science, organization design, economics and other fields. To understand a typical page probably requires at least some prior exposure to the fields of study mentioned. Graduate students who know how to use a search engine and are willing to put a little time into learning unfamiliar terms will be far more likely to get benefit from reading let.sysops.be than casual browsers who have no particular prior exposure to the problems of venture capital, investment theory, language and metaphor theory (for this last, most US readers should see DKosopedia for the most sophisticated example of a wiki applying these methods directly to familiar issues).

Among the most immediately useful articles on design economics and metaphors include:

For the more political aspects it often defers to definitions at Openpolitics.ca, SourceWatch, Embodimentwiki.org (an even more sophisticated psychology / biology wiki). A central political question is who controls the editorial and governance path on a shared web service like a wiki. The many articles dealing with trolls and trolling making the assumption appropriate to P2P, that they must be dealt with as equals. This is why P2P best describes this wiki's purpose.

Technical coverage[edit]

Technical coverage is no less sophisticated. The level of discourse is high and includes most or all of the very hardest problems in security, hardware, software and online service design. Some of the interesting technical material for WikiIndex users includes:

Teaching wiki[edit]

As the material reads like a bunch of notes for a series of graduate courses, it isn't surprising that the wiki recommends picking a particular category and reading everything in it, then asking a lot of questions or adding contrary opinions or references, which the 'old trolls' (what the sysops call themselves) will deal with rigorously. Part of the wiki ideology espoused, aside from generally troll-friendly policy and shunning of sysop vandalism and sysop vigilantism, is that a wiki, in order to work, must necessarily focus on the content, and avoid social factors deciding what is discussed or debated. To this end, let.sysops.be encourages anonymous trolls, keeps 'first person' discourse on talk pages and user pages, and evaluates every policy from the perspective of disinterested or hostile new users with knowledge worth sharing - the so-called 'new troll point of view'. Like Wikipedia, let.sysops.be remains open for anyone to edit, to satisfy the scientific method, in which any contrary evidence is allowed to invalidate any thesis, and even wholly untrusted critics must be heard and answered. To further enable hearing out minority point of view, issue/position/argument structure is employed. Anyone who finds the dominant point of view on a page is making it hard to express his or her argument can re-organize the controversial points into logic trees. If debate gets intense, evidence, sources, and authority handling are all built into the category scheme.

Good examples[edit]

This category scheme seems to be the major feature of this wiki. To put it simply, every infrastructural aspect of hardware and connectivity to get to the first wiki edit is defined as part of infrastructure and goes in one category 'infra', as everything social and financial (like selling and training) that happens after that goes in another category 'ultra'. The first wiki edit is treated as the most important distinction of all!

Other good examples of best practice include:

  • redirecting names of categories to the category and treating them as just another tag, and always using singular not plural forms (as tags do)
  • as mentioned above, dealing with precedent and credibility with separate "defensible" and "empirical practice" tags
  • keeping controversial terms in their own "term namespace" so that the wiki won't be seen to be sanctioning any deprecated terminology
  • keeping command terms that have specific meanings in REST protocols (like "get") in a "verb namespace" to keep the strict technological meaning separate from the ordinary conversation meaning
  • keeping good documentation of internal practices such as edit summary tags and page name prefixes
  • insisting articles adopt Wikipedia names when talking about roughly the same topic, and further adopting their naming conventions.

The entire wiki, which is named eg, is designed to make it easy to copy and cut out all content not relevant to a specific purpose, while keeping as many pages as possible.

License[edit]

The material is redistributable with credit to "Efficient Civics Guild" and link-back to the source under Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial Share Alike (CC-BY-NC-SA), or other open licenses sometimes marked on individual pages.

AKA[edit]

Sometime around 2010, let.sysops.be also became known as the Efficient Civics Guild.

External links[edit]