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I prepared to move Category:OddMuse to [[:Category:Oddmuse]], since it is Oddmuse accroding to its [http://www.Oddmuse.org official website].  I opened all the articles with the OddMuse category in new tabs, edited them, and then noticed that I can't move the category.  Ouch.  [[User:Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]] 18:10, 7 Mar 2006 (EST)
I prepared to move Category:OddMuse to [[:Category:Oddmuse]], since it is Oddmuse accroding to its [http://www.Oddmuse.org official website].  I opened all the articles with the OddMuse category in new tabs, edited them, and then noticed that I can't move the category.  Ouch.  [[User:Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]] 18:10, 7 Mar 2006 (EST)


:It seems [[meta-wiki:Help:Category#Moving a category page|no-one can move categories]].  [[User:Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]]
:It seems {{WMF-Meta|Help:Category#Moving a category page|no-one can move categories}}.  [[User:Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]]


==input requested on categorization (meta)==
==input requested on categorization (meta)==
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==OpenG==
==OpenG==
Is there a wiki for the G programming language?  If one exists, I'd like to list it in the [[WikiIndex]].  I see what appears to be one using [[:Category:TikiWiki|TikiWiki]] at http://OpenG.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Whats%20New , but the big red warning at the top makes me suspect that it is going offline soon(?), to be replaced by a phpBB (which is non-wiki, right?).  (Or do they plan to keep both running indefinitely, so people can use whichever one they feel comfortable with?).  (G is the [[visual]] programming language used in [[Wikipedia:LabVIEW]]).  --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 11:11, 24 June 2006 (EDT)
Is there a wiki for the G programming language?  If one exists, I'd like to list it in the [[WikiIndex]].  I see what appears to be one using [[:Category:TikiWiki|TikiWiki]] at http://OpenG.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Whats%20New , but the big red warning at the top makes me suspect that it is going offline soon(?), to be replaced by a phpBB (which is non-wiki, right?).  (Or do they plan to keep both running indefinitely, so people can use whichever one they feel comfortable with?).  (G is the [[visual]] programming language used in {{Wp|LabVIEW}}).  --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 11:11, 24 June 2006 (EDT)


==can't save edits to [[Wikis by response time]]==
==can't save edits to [[Wikis by response time]]==
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Hi, all. I wanted to point out that there's now an [http://www.OpenID.net OpenID] extension for [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] that lets people log into one MW wiki with an account from another wiki.  I think it'd be particularly useful for a meta-community site like [[WikiIndex]].  The software is available from https://svn.Wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/OpenID/ in the MediaWiki subversion library, and I'd be happy to help get it installed. --[[User:Evan|Evan]] 11:22, 7 September 2006 (EDT)
Hi, all. I wanted to point out that there's now an [http://www.OpenID.net OpenID] extension for [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] that lets people log into one MW wiki with an account from another wiki.  I think it'd be particularly useful for a meta-community site like [[WikiIndex]].  The software is available from https://svn.Wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/OpenID/ in the MediaWiki subversion library, and I'd be happy to help get it installed. --[[User:Evan|Evan]] 11:22, 7 September 2006 (EDT)


:There's a more useful page at [[mw:Extension:OpenID]]. I would ''love'' to help someone at WikiIndex install this software, step-by-step if needed. --[[User:Evan|Evan]] 14:20, 3 February 2007 (PST)
:There's a more useful page at {{Mw|Extension:OpenID}}. I would ''love'' to help someone at WikiIndex install this software, step-by-step if needed. --[[User:Evan|Evan]] 14:20, 3 February 2007 (PST)
::Would love to implement [[:Category:OpenID|OpenID]], as we discussed at [[RCC 2007]], I've read over the installation page and it doesn't look too hairy. We do have a couple of issues that need to be resolved before we can go live with it, our .htaccess rewrite code quit working when we upgraded to MW 1.8.2 and changed hosts. I'll try to resolve our issues this week and start working on OpenID this weekend or early next week. [[User:John Stanton|John]] 09:25, 13 February 2007 (PST)
::Would love to implement [[:Category:OpenID|OpenID]], as we discussed at [[RCC 2007]], I've read over the installation page and it doesn't look too hairy. We do have a couple of issues that need to be resolved before we can go live with it, our .htaccess rewrite code quit working when we upgraded to MW 1.8.2 and changed hosts. I'll try to resolve our issues this week and start working on OpenID this weekend or early next week. [[User:John Stanton|John]] 09:25, 13 February 2007 (PST)


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==Changing username==
==Changing username==
If I want to change my [[username]], should I just open a new account, or is possible (easy) to change it and keep the [[edit history]], like I did on [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] at [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Changing username]]? Thanks --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 00:41, 19 December 2006 (PST)
If I want to change my [[username]], should I just open a new account, or is possible (easy) to change it and keep the [[edit history]], like I did on [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] at {{Wp|Wikipedia:Changing username}}? Thanks --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 00:41, 19 December 2006 (PST)
:I just looked at the wikipedia page and they have a special page for "rename user" which we do not have.  Is this some kind of extension? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 22:35, 19 December 2006 (PST)
:I just looked at the wikipedia page and they have a special page for "rename user" which we do not have.  Is this some kind of extension? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 22:35, 19 December 2006 (PST)
::[[Meta-Wiki:Renameuser|Yes it is]]. They have [[Wikipedia:Special:Version|quite a few]] pretty nifty extensions there. &mdash;&nbsp;<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 15:44, 20 December 2006 (PST)
::{{WMF-Meta|Renameuser|Yes it is}}. They have {{Wp|Special:Version|quite a few}} pretty nifty extensions there. &mdash;&nbsp;<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 15:44, 20 December 2006 (PST)
As of 2013, 'rename user' is now installed.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 04:39, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
As of 2013, 'rename user' is now installed.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 04:39, 31 October 2013 (UTC)


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:Spambots are the source of most of the wiki linkspam at the moment, and blacklists are doing a poor job of dealing with the problems as spammers are free to just register more domain names and hide behind a long list of open proxies scattered across the net. There is an extension (ConfirmEdit) available from MediaWiki's SVN that provides a captcha (or asks for the answer to a maths problem) - I've found it to be the most effective way to stop 'bots from posting anything with any external links. This would be the majority of rubbish pages with trailing /'s, /index.php/ or other nonsense in the titles. --[[User:Carlb|Carlb]] 10:09, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
:Spambots are the source of most of the wiki linkspam at the moment, and blacklists are doing a poor job of dealing with the problems as spammers are free to just register more domain names and hide behind a long list of open proxies scattered across the net. There is an extension (ConfirmEdit) available from MediaWiki's SVN that provides a captcha (or asks for the answer to a maths problem) - I've found it to be the most effective way to stop 'bots from posting anything with any external links. This would be the majority of rubbish pages with trailing /'s, /index.php/ or other nonsense in the titles. --[[User:Carlb|Carlb]] 10:09, 14 May 2007 (EDT)


:We use the wikimedia blacklist for most of our link spam filtering see: [[meta-wiki:Spam blacklist|spam blacklist]] if your url appears in that blacklist you should probably notify them because many wikis use that list to control spam. [[User:John Stanton|John]] 18:53, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
:We use the wikimedia blacklist for most of our link spam filtering see: {{WMF-Meta|Spam blacklist|spam blacklist}} if your url appears in that blacklist you should probably notify them because many wikis use that list to control spam. [[User:John Stanton|John]] 18:53, 15 May 2007 (EDT)


It's been brought up before, but the blacklist makes it impossible to edit the entry on [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]. I was only planning to update the statistics and the logo. Is there a way to whitelist ED such that the article can be edited by registered users? [[User:Dianoga|Dianoga]] 18:28, 19 December 2007 (EST)
It's been brought up before, but the blacklist makes it impossible to edit the entry on [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]. I was only planning to update the statistics and the logo. Is there a way to whitelist ED such that the article can be edited by registered users? [[User:Dianoga|Dianoga]] 18:28, 19 December 2007 (EST)
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==Open Call for Editors to Participate in Research Project==
==Open Call for Editors to Participate in Research Project==
Hi there!  My name is Jim Sutton and I'm undertaking research in the School of Library, Archive, and Information Studies, UCL, [[:Category:London|London]].  http://www.slais.ucl.ac.uk/
Hi there!  My name is Jim Sutton and I'm undertaking research in the School of Library, Archive, and Information Studies, UCL, [[:Category:London|London]].  https://www.slais.UCL.ac.uk/


My research involves studying [[wiki]] usage, the reasons why [[User|individuals]] use wikis and the benefits/disadvantages of using wikis to create and manage knowledge.  I'd be extremely grateful for any feedback you can provide as to your reasons for using/contributing to wikis.  You can submit your feedback through my online survey so please feel free to complete this if you have the time. The survey is available at:  http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/stqa7937/survey/
My research involves studying [[wiki]] usage, the reasons why [[User|individuals]] use wikis and the benefits/disadvantages of using wikis to create and manage knowledge.  I'd be extremely grateful for any feedback you can provide as to your reasons for using/contributing to wikis.  You can submit your feedback through my online survey so please feel free to complete this if you have the time. The survey is available at:  http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/stqa7937/survey/


My research is being carried out jointly with Melissa Terras at UCL http://www.ucl.ac.uk/slais/melissa-terras/ .  Her email address is m.terras (at) ucl.ac.uk .
My research is being carried out jointly with Melissa Terras at UCL http://www.UCL.ac.uk/slais/melissa-terras/ .  Her email address is m.terras (at) ucl.ac.uk .


I'd be extremely grateful for any help that you can provide. If you have any questions please let me know. I can be emailed at james.sutton (at) ucl.ac.uk . Thank you for your time!  [[User:Sutton4019|Sutton4019]] 05:56, 26 June 2007 (EDT)
I'd be extremely grateful for any help that you can provide. If you have any questions please let me know. I can be emailed at james.sutton (at) ucl.ac.uk . Thank you for your time!  [[User:Sutton4019|Sutton4019]] 05:56, 26 June 2007 (EDT)
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==Non-English characters in PAGENAME==
==Non-English characters in PAGENAME==
There are several wikis in [[:Category:Wiki Korean]] for which the PAGENAME is written in Korean characters which cannot be reproduced on my computer.  I don't know {{W|Unicode}} from a {{W|unicorn}}, but my computer can display a surprising variety of characters from different languages (Chinese, Japanese, Hindi, Thai, Hebrew, Arabic, etc.), but it has trouble with Korean and Burmese.  I'm wondering if these pages should be moved to a new PAGENAME.  I'm not trying to be English-centric (or Roman-alphabet-centric), notwithstanding that this site is already pretty much that way.  But standing operating procedure seems to be to use the English name ({{W|exonym|an exonym}}) in the namespace and then add [[redirect]]s to that page for the name in the native language ({{W|endonym}}).  Alternatively, we could leave these articles as they are but add redirects using the Roman alphabet (assuming we can find a translation).  I think I'm going to use that plan for now.  I'm just wondering what would be of most benefit for our visitors. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 19:43, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
There are several wikis in [[:Category:Wiki Korean]] for which the PAGENAME is written in Korean characters which cannot be reproduced on my computer.  I don't know {{Wp|Unicode}} from a {{Wp|unicorn}}, but my computer can display a surprising variety of characters from different languages (Chinese, Japanese, Hindi, Thai, Hebrew, Arabic, etc.), but it has trouble with Korean and Burmese.  I'm wondering if these pages should be moved to a new PAGENAME.  I'm not trying to be English-centric (or Roman-alphabet-centric), notwithstanding that this site is already pretty much that way.  But standing operating procedure seems to be to use the English name ({{Wp|exonym|an exonym}}) in the namespace and then add [[redirect]]s to that page for the name in the native language ({{Wp|endonym}}).  Alternatively, we could leave these articles as they are but add redirects using the Roman alphabet (assuming we can find a translation).  I think I'm going to use that plan for now.  I'm just wondering what would be of most benefit for our visitors. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 19:43, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
:See: [[WikiIndex:Naming conventions]].  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 18:26, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
:See: [[WikiIndex:Naming conventions]].  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 18:26, 6 October 2018 (UTC)


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==Dump or backup==
==Dump or backup==
Hi all.  Before starting to participate in this wiki, I would like to know if there are public dumps or backups.  I mean, I like to have copies of the free licensed projects where I collaborate.  I don't like when a fantastic projects disappear in a data disaster.  [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] contains a script for generating dumps.  You can read more about this [[mw:Manual:Backing up a wiki#XML dump|here]].  Regards. [[User:Emijrp|Emijrp]] 02:30, 3 November 2010 (PDT)
Hi all.  Before starting to participate in this wiki, I would like to know if there are public dumps or backups.  I mean, I like to have copies of the free licensed projects where I collaborate.  I don't like when a fantastic projects disappear in a data disaster.  [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] contains a script for generating dumps.  You can read more about this {{Mw|Manual:Backing up a wiki#XML dump|here}}.  Regards. [[User:Emijrp|Emijrp]] 02:30, 3 November 2010 (PDT)
:I'd check with [[Mark Dilley]]. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:49, 4 November 2010 (PDT)
:I'd check with [[Mark Dilley]]. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:49, 4 November 2010 (PDT)
::Any updates on this? [[User:Emijrp|emijrp]] 02:31, 5 April 2011 (PDT)
::Any updates on this? [[User:Emijrp|emijrp]] 02:31, 5 April 2011 (PDT)
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:p.s.: Is there a category that means "wiki-on-wiki conversation is on-topic", so I can tag WikiSpeedia and [[MeatballWiki]] and [[CommunityWiki.org]] and [[MediaWiki.org]] and other appropriate pages here with that category? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 09:30, 1 February 2011 (PST)
:p.s.: Is there a category that means "wiki-on-wiki conversation is on-topic", so I can tag WikiSpeedia and [[MeatballWiki]] and [[CommunityWiki.org]] and [[MediaWiki.org]] and other appropriate pages here with that category? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 09:30, 1 February 2011 (PST)


::A central web site for everything related to Wikis is extremely necessary. I just found WikiIndex today and it looks like the best place for that. Too bad that it took me more than 1 year to find it... One weakness at Wikipedia is that it doesn't have a web forum. The [[wp:Wikipedia:Village pump|Village Pump]] is good, but far from good enough. It's practically impossible to follow an idea posted weeks ago (there are archives for each day - for example [[wp:Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 November 24|2007 November 24]]). That's why a forum is required. A forum for everything related to Wiki. On a forum it is possible to write on the same thread even after weeks, months and years from the last post, coming with a creative and valuable answer or idea. The forum should have sub-forums for ''mediawiki and for other wiki engines'', another one for ''wiki farms'', another one for ''wikis by category'', another one for ''ideas for new wikis'' where people can search for partners to start new wikis with, another one for ''technical hep'', and so on. For example, I need to translate a template like this: [[wikipedia:Template:Columns-list]] to my own wiki and I don't know how to do it. Many other mediawiki users need some basic templates for their wikis and they don't know how to get them. That's why WikiSpeedia can be so helpful. It's extremely important to have a central hub for all wiki users and experts. [[User:WikiFan|WikiFan]] 20:34, 1 November 2011 (PDT)
::A central web site for everything related to Wikis is extremely necessary. I just found WikiIndex today and it looks like the best place for that. Too bad that it took me more than 1 year to find it... One weakness at Wikipedia is that it doesn't have a web forum. The {{Wp|Wikipedia:Village pump|Village Pump}} is good, but far from good enough. It's practically impossible to follow an idea posted weeks ago (there are archives for each day - for example {{Wp|Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 November 24|2007 November 24}}). That's why a forum is required. A forum for everything related to Wiki. On a forum it is possible to write on the same thread even after weeks, months and years from the last post, coming with a creative and valuable answer or idea. The forum should have sub-forums for ''mediawiki and for other wiki engines'', another one for ''wiki farms'', another one for ''wikis by category'', another one for ''ideas for new wikis'' where people can search for partners to start new wikis with, another one for ''technical hep'', and so on. For example, I need to translate a template like this: {{Wp|Template:Columns-list}} to my own wiki and I don't know how to do it. Many other mediawiki users need some basic templates for their wikis and they don't know how to get them. That's why WikiSpeedia can be so helpful. It's extremely important to have a central hub for all wiki users and experts. [[User:WikiFan|WikiFan]] 20:34, 1 November 2011 (PDT)


==New lists==
==New lists==
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==New WikiProjects at [[MediaWiki.org]]==
==New WikiProjects at [[MediaWiki.org]]==
Greetings!  There are two new WikiProjects at [[MediaWiki.org]] I thought folks here may be interested in:
Greetings!  There are two new WikiProjects at [[MediaWiki.org]] I thought folks here may be interested in:
*[[mw:Project:WikiProject SysAdmins|WikiProject SysAdmins]]
*{{Mw|Project:WikiProject SysAdmins|WikiProject SysAdmins}}
*[[mw:Project:WikiProject Extensions|WikiProject Extensions]]
*{{Mw|Project:WikiProject Extensions|WikiProject Extensions}}


As an initial activity, utilizing the model set by [[:Category:Wikimedia Foundation|Wikimedia]] staff [[Internet Relay Chat]] (IRC) office hours, MediaWiki.org's WikiProject Extensions is presenting our first MediaWiki Workshops for developers (volunteer and staff).  Preparing extensions for MediaWiki 1.19 will be held on 13 January 2012 at 19:00 UTC in IRC (#wikimedia-dev).
As an initial activity, utilizing the model set by [[:Category:Wikimedia Foundation|Wikimedia]] staff [[Internet Relay Chat]] (IRC) office hours, MediaWiki.org's WikiProject Extensions is presenting our first MediaWiki Workshops for developers (volunteer and staff).  Preparing extensions for MediaWiki 1.19 will be held on 13 January 2012 at 19:00 UTC in IRC (#wikimedia-dev).
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This IRC workshop will be an opportunity to find out about changes in MediaWiki 1.19 that may require revisions to extensions or [[:Category:Skins|skins]]. Also an opportunity to ask [[:Category:MediaWiki developer|MediaWiki developers]] questions regarding extension development.
This IRC workshop will be an opportunity to find out about changes in MediaWiki 1.19 that may require revisions to extensions or [[:Category:Skins|skins]]. Also an opportunity to ask [[:Category:MediaWiki developer|MediaWiki developers]] questions regarding extension development.


Everyone is invited to attend.  [[Developer]]s interested in serving as "extensions" or "MediaWiki 1.19" experts are encouraged to signup as participants at: [[mw:Project:WikiProject Extensions/MediaWiki Workshops#MediaWiki 1.19 Experts]]
Everyone is invited to attend.  [[Developer]]s interested in serving as "extensions" or "MediaWiki 1.19" experts are encouraged to signup as participants at: {{Mw|Project:WikiProject Extensions/MediaWiki Workshops#MediaWiki 1.19 experts}}


If there's continued interest / demand, MediaWiki Workshops will typically last one hour, and happen no more than twice a month to present trainings, hold discussions and collaborate on community or WikiProject Extensions projects. Facilitators host the session to introduce any presenters, determine the order of questions, and generally helps to keep things going. Time of day will vary in order to offer people in different parts of the world the opportunity to participate. Future topics will likely include MW.org documentation, ResourceLouder orientation and workshops similar to our inaugural chat to prepare for each MediaWiki release.
If there's continued interest / demand, MediaWiki Workshops will typically last one hour, and happen no more than twice a month to present trainings, hold discussions and collaborate on community or WikiProject Extensions projects. Facilitators host the session to introduce any presenters, determine the order of questions, and generally helps to keep things going. Time of day will vary in order to offer people in different parts of the world the opportunity to participate. Future topics will likely include MW.org documentation, ResourceLouder orientation and workshops similar to our inaugural chat to prepare for each MediaWiki release.


More information: [[mw:Project:WikiProject Extensions/MediaWiki Workshops]]
More information: {{Mw|Project:WikiProject Extensions/MediaWiki Workshops}}


MediaWiki.org's WikiProject SysAdmins will also likely host similar MediaWiki Workshops to help third-party wiki system administrators.  Stay tuned for more information, and chime in at: [[mw:Project:WikiProject SysAdmins/Ideas]]
MediaWiki.org's WikiProject SysAdmins will also likely host similar MediaWiki Workshops to help third-party wiki system administrators.  Stay tuned for more information, and chime in at: {{Mw|Project:WikiProject SysAdmins/Ideas}}


--[[GregVarnum]] | <small>[[User talk:Varnent|talk]]</small> 18:17, 5 January 2012 (PST)
--[[GregVarnum]] | <small>[[User talk:Varnent|talk]]</small> 18:17, 5 January 2012 (PST)
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::::Wikia continues to have such a large market share because no worthy competitor has arisen to claim that market niche. Wikia's management has had the luxury of slacking off and not adhering to high standards because people have nowhere else to go, unless they want to deal with the learning curve and other costs involved in creating and maintaining one's own MediaWiki installation. A lot of people who want to create collaborative sites just aren't very technically-inclined.
::::Wikia continues to have such a large market share because no worthy competitor has arisen to claim that market niche. Wikia's management has had the luxury of slacking off and not adhering to high standards because people have nowhere else to go, unless they want to deal with the learning curve and other costs involved in creating and maintaining one's own MediaWiki installation. A lot of people who want to create collaborative sites just aren't very technically-inclined.


::::If MediaWiki were as easy to administer as, say, [[:Category:WordPress|WordPress]], it probably wouldn't be such an issue. Unfortunately, attempts to modify MediaWiki to mimic what has worked well for WordPress and other CMS'es [[mw:Summer of Code Past Projects#Extension management platform|didn't end well]]. We still are not at a point at which, say, use of [[mw:Extension:Configure]] is the default. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 00:49, 22 November 2012 (PST)
::::If MediaWiki were as easy to administer as, say, [[:Category:WordPress|WordPress]], it probably wouldn't be such an issue. Unfortunately, attempts to modify MediaWiki to mimic what has worked well for WordPress and other CMS'es {{Mw|Summer of Code Past Projects#Extension management platform|didn't end well}}. We still are not at a point at which, say, use of {{Mw|Extension:Configure}} is the default. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 00:49, 22 November 2012 (PST)


===3rd opinion===
===3rd opinion===
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==How wide is our coverage, compared to what is out there in the wikisphere?==
==How wide is our coverage, compared to what is out there in the wikisphere?==
I notice that according to {{W|Wikia}}, "Wikia hosts several hundred thousand wikis". Of course, WikiIndex only lists a small fraction of those. I wonder how many of those several hundred thousand were test wikis and the like, and were [[:Category:GoalAbandoned|abandoned]] almost immediately? My guess is a lot.
I notice that according to {{Wp|Wikia}}, "Wikia hosts several hundred thousand wikis". Of course, WikiIndex only lists a small fraction of those. I wonder how many of those several hundred thousand were test wikis and the like, and were [[:Category:GoalAbandoned|abandoned]] almost immediately? My guess is a lot.


Anyway, I suppose we can operate under the assumption that any wiki that nobody bothered to list at WikiIndex probably isn't all that important. The significance is that whatever wikis aren't listed at WikiIndex aren't going to end up in the [[Proposal:Interwiki list|interwiki list]], unless I do a separate run to grab that data off of [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]] and other wiki farms. Whether that would be desirable given the potentially high rate of useless Wikia wikis is another story. It might hurt the [[mw:Canonical interwiki prefixes|interwiki map]] project to clog up the list with a bunch of items pertaining to low-quality wikis. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 00:43, 22 November 2012 (PST)
Anyway, I suppose we can operate under the assumption that any wiki that nobody bothered to list at WikiIndex probably isn't all that important. The significance is that whatever wikis aren't listed at WikiIndex aren't going to end up in the [[Proposal:Interwiki list|interwiki list]], unless I do a separate run to grab that data off of [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]] and other wiki farms. Whether that would be desirable given the potentially high rate of useless Wikia wikis is another story. It might hurt the {{Mw|Canonical interwiki prefixes|interwiki map}} project to clog up the list with a bunch of items pertaining to low-quality wikis. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 00:43, 22 November 2012 (PST)


==Article length==
==Article length==
[[WikiIndex:Creating New Articles]] says, "An 'article' is a snippet of information about a given topic." That suggests the articles are supposed to be kept pretty short. What article length are we going for, on pages about individual wikis? [[Special:LongPages]] shows the longest article is the one about [[WikiIndex]] itself, at ~14,000 characters. That one's length probably shouldn't be taken into consideration, since it's a multilingual page. The next longest is [[RationalWiki (en)]], recently forked from [[:Template:RationalWiki]], at ~11,000 characters.
[[WikiIndex:Creating New Articles]] says, "An 'article' is a snippet of information about a given topic." That suggests the articles are supposed to be kept pretty short. What article length are we going for, on pages about individual wikis? [[Special:LongPages]] shows the longest article is the one about [[WikiIndex]] itself, at ~14,000 characters. That one's length probably shouldn't be taken into consideration, since it's a multilingual page. The next longest is [[RationalWiki (en)]], recently forked from [[:Template:RationalWiki]], at ~11,000 characters.


Should 11,000 characters be regarded as pretty much the maximum, and optimal for providing enough information but still being short enough to read and navigate comfortable for many [[user]]s? So then, if anyone wanted to add content to such an article, he would need to remove something less important from that article. It definitely limits how comprehensive such an article could be. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Conservapedia weighs in at 53,000 characters. {{W|Wikipedia}} is 197,000 characters long. Articles definitely ''could'' include a lot more information, if that were what we were going for. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 07:16, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Should 11,000 characters be regarded as pretty much the maximum, and optimal for providing enough information but still being short enough to read and navigate comfortable for many [[user]]s? So then, if anyone wanted to add content to such an article, he would need to remove something less important from that article. It definitely limits how comprehensive such an article could be. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Conservapedia weighs in at 53,000 characters. {{Wp|Wikipedia}} is 197,000 characters long. Articles definitely ''could'' include a lot more information, if that were what we were going for. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 07:16, 8 March 2014 (UTC)


:I've updated [[WikiIndex:Creating New Articles]].  I personally don't think we should set an arbitary character limit -- if a wiki has an 'interesting' history which could support a lengthy prose, then by all means include it.  Obviously, any unnecessary waffle, if found, can be trimmed.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 09:16, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
:I've updated [[WikiIndex:Creating New Articles]].  I personally don't think we should set an arbitary character limit -- if a wiki has an 'interesting' history which could support a lengthy prose, then by all means include it.  Obviously, any unnecessary waffle, if found, can be trimmed.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 09:16, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
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==Citations==
==Citations==
Are [[citation]]s of sources for statements made in articles encouraged? E.g., if you say "xWiki says y" is it good to give the URL, so that people can verify your claim? I've been citing sources inline like this.[http://example.com] Of course, we don't have [[mw:Extension:Cite]], so there's no pretty way of doing it, currently. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 13:08, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Are [[citation]]s of sources for statements made in articles encouraged? E.g., if you say "xWiki says y" is it good to give the URL, so that people can verify your claim? I've been citing sources inline like this.[http://example.com] Of course, we don't have {{Mw|Extension:Cite}}, so there's no pretty way of doing it, currently. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 13:08, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
:We have no ''requirement'' for citations, but if anyone feels the need to include them, especially if it supports a contentious statement, then by all means just add it as a basic inline url.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 19:11, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
:We have no ''requirement'' for citations, but if anyone feels the need to include them, especially if it supports a contentious statement, then by all means just add it as a basic inline url.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 19:11, 6 May 2014 (UTC)


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