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 Naming guidelines discussion can move to [[CamelCase or Free links or both]] - I lost in an edit conflict what I had wrote here about the subject, will get back to it later, Best [[MarkDilley]]
-== CamelCase ==
+== CamelCase (with some mention of other capitals and of spacing)==
+===Page names for articles about specific wikis===
-Well, since this is a wiki about wikis, the article names for those wikis should reflect the actual name of the wiki.  Many wikis have CamelCase names and I believe we should stick with them in that case.  For wikis with free link names, we ought to use exaxtly the form they use, including spaces and capitalization.  That's my thought, anyway.  [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 17:05, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
+Well, since this is a wiki about wikis, the article names for those wikis should reflect the actual name of the wiki.  Many wikis have CamelCase names and I believe we should stick with them in that case.  For wikis with free link names, we ought to use exactly the form they use, including spaces and capitalization.  That's my thought, anyway.  [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 17:05, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
 : Yes that is the standard for wiki name pages but Tristram brings up good point regarding internal links within the wiki. - [[MarkDilley]]
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 :::I meant that you have an article about MeatballWiki in [[MeatballWiki]] because the wiki is called MeatballWiki. Sorry if I didn't say it clearly enough. [[User:Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]] 17:19, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
-For Meatball, there's no debate, I think.  If it were called Meatball Wiki, then our page would be [[Meatball Wiki]].  It's clear, yes?  But what about guidelines and other meta pages?  Are we using namespaces for them?  Are we using camel case or something else?  [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 17:34, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
+For Meatball, there's no debate, I think.  If it were called Meatball Wiki, then our page would be [[Meatball Wiki]].  It's clear, yes?  (''See below next heading for this next pair of sentences repeated with responses:'') But what about guidelines and other meta pages?  Are we using namespaces for them?  Are we using camel case or something else?  [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 17:34, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
+:I agree absolutely - Wiki names (in text and in their own page name) as the wikis call themselves (as far as we can). Example of what not to do: if we got a wiki that managed to get away with calling itself Micro Soft we'd be in trouble calling it MicroSoft! [[User:Robin Patterson|robinp]] 00:32, 7 Mar 2006 (EST)
+(''See below next heading for this next contribution - dated earlier than 7 March - repeated with responses:'')
+Trying to clarify, we are currently using both [[CamelCase]] and [[Free Links]] for our internal wiki page names.  This is because:
+* We have not decided one way or the other about what a standard would be.
+* Because I think it is important to be open to the way people use wiki, not to clamp down on any side. [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
+===Other pages===
+[''First a copy of the above paragraphs that seem to be wholly or partly dealing with this subject'']
+For Meatball, there's no debate, I think.  If it were called Meatball Wiki, then our page would be [[Meatball Wiki]].  It's clear, yes?  But what about '''guidelines and other meta pages'''?  Are we using namespaces for them?  Are we using camel case or something else?  [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 17:34, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
 Trying to clarify, we are currently using both [[CamelCase]] and [[Free Links]] for our internal wiki page names.  This is because:
 * We have not decided one way or the other about what a standard would be.
 * Because I think it is important to be open to the way people use wiki, not to clamp down on any side. [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
+::With utmost respect, Mark, you don't "clarify" 100% if you use an expression such as "internal wiki page names" when we have just been discussing how to write the names of wikis in our pages here. So I've duplicated your comments. '''In this section we are talking about page names in WikiIndex other than proper nouns''' (which term includes Wiki names). [[User:Robin Patterson|robinp]] 00:32, 7 Mar 2006 (EST)
+I get the impression from the above that Ted definitely favours the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Headings Wikipedia] style (sentence case, ie only the first letter capitalised except for proper nouns), as I do, and that Mark doesn't mind and doesn't want to make rules about it.
+I respect Mark's "open" approach. However, I recommend that we '''encourage''' sentence case. Reasons:
+*If anyone's "allowed" to capitalise whatever word they think is important, we run a risk of much timewasting from the enthusiastic independent creation of pages such as Help:How to edit images, Help:How to edit Images, Help:How to Edit Images, and Help:How To Edit Images, each of which could attract later contributors and be a near-hopeless job to merge when someone twigged. (The permutations of various CamelCase options additional to those do not bear thinking about.)
+*I'm guessing but confident that eventually most of the contributors who start here will be familiar with Wikipedia style and use it without thinking. Therefore a lot of page names will use sentence case whatever our guidelines say (because not everybody reads the guidelines; some because the idea that different wikis have different guidelines would not have occurred to them). So the easiest route to eventual consistency is to recommend Wikipedia styles.
+[[User:Robin Patterson|robinp]] 00:32, 7 Mar 2006 (EST)