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(Starting over from column one, for hopefully obvious reasons). Lumenos, all those conflicts you're referring to are over this one article. Which is just one among thousands here. Do you think it's so special to me? It's not. You made it so, by fighting other editors over it, and I'm fed up with that. What I ''really'' want is to delete it permanently, and if that wasn't so blatantly against the goals of WikiIndex, I would. As for consensus, you just mentioned two admins and an editor who seem to agree over what is right, and I'm with them.<br>So who does that leave? ''You'', Lumenos. You're the one who wants verbose policies. You're the one who forces us to wade through huge walls of text. And no, there isn't a character limit, you're just posting far more than anyone else. Can you spell "common sense" and "basic courtesy"? Can you see how badly you stand out from everyone else here?<br>And why are you so worried about being "punished"? Does your life revolve around WikiIndex or something? Well, ours doesn't. We're just trying to make it better, one little piece at a time, because that's all we can afford. Do you want to help, or do you just want to obsess endlessly over one particular article, and play victim when that bothers a whole lot of people?<br>I'll repeat my invitation over to IRC, in the hope that a real-time conversation will help us understand each other better. I don't know what else to say. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 03:50, 1 October 2009 (EDT) | (Starting over from column one, for hopefully obvious reasons). Lumenos, all those conflicts you're referring to are over this one article. Which is just one among thousands here. Do you think it's so special to me? It's not. You made it so, by fighting other editors over it, and I'm fed up with that. What I ''really'' want is to delete it permanently, and if that wasn't so blatantly against the goals of WikiIndex, I would. As for consensus, you just mentioned two admins and an editor who seem to agree over what is right, and I'm with them.<br>So who does that leave? ''You'', Lumenos. You're the one who wants verbose policies. You're the one who forces us to wade through huge walls of text. And no, there isn't a character limit, you're just posting far more than anyone else. Can you spell "common sense" and "basic courtesy"? Can you see how badly you stand out from everyone else here?<br>And why are you so worried about being "punished"? Does your life revolve around WikiIndex or something? Well, ours doesn't. We're just trying to make it better, one little piece at a time, because that's all we can afford. Do you want to help, or do you just want to obsess endlessly over one particular article, and play victim when that bothers a whole lot of people?<br>I'll repeat my invitation over to IRC, in the hope that a real-time conversation will help us understand each other better. I don't know what else to say. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 03:50, 1 October 2009 (EDT) | ||
:The only person I know of, who has invited me to IRC, was "Phantom Hooover". I'm on IRC now. I wrote a big long reply before "MarkDilley" and "Felix (claudeb)" showed up there so I will only post this for now. I don't like to work "in secret". I've told them I intend to copy the chat and post it publicly and Felix said he didn't have a problem with that. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 02:08, 2 October 2009 (EDT) | :The only person I know of, who has invited me to IRC, was "Phantom Hooover". I'm on IRC now. I wrote a big long reply before "MarkDilley" and "Felix (claudeb)" showed up there so I will only post this for now. I don't like to work "in secret". I've told them I intend to copy the chat and post it publicly and Felix said he didn't have a problem with that. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 02:08, 2 October 2009 (EDT) | ||
:As I see it, the administration here has a method of making WikiIndex "better" by by blanking and locking articles (which you would prefer to delete?), whereas I'm suggesting we would make WikiIndex better by making broadly supported policies, and '''protecting articles according to those policies'''. (This may or may not require ''page protection''.) Blanking articles as a "punishment" just seems counter-productive to the goal of making WikiIndex better; that's all. But you are absolutely correct that I '''am''' afraid of being banned. You might have noticed that unlike some of my opponents here, I don't threaten to [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page= "vandalise" the whole wiki], if I don't get my way. That means I have only one shot at this. This is the most prominant wiki directory to wikis, as far as I know. That makes it very notable in my mind. Being able to edit this wiki is pretty important to me, at this time in my life. If you don't share that view I believe that is because you lack the vision to see a potential gold mine here. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 05:03, 2 October 2009 (EDT) | |||
:Perhaps you have read something by Proxima, DavidCary, or Dilley, that I have not. I will believe what I read for myself, not your claims or interpretations of them. I don't really understand your point there anyway. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 05:03, 2 October 2009 (EDT) | |||
:Thank you for tolerating me while it seems we have very different ideals and perceptions on these matters. I'm also grateful that you unprotected the blank RationalWiki article and that Dilley allowed you to do that. I kinda feel bad that my long posts offend you but it is difficult for me to imagine a "legitimate" reason for this. I don't see why certain editors here feel they ''have to'' read my posts. Afraid I'll say something I shouldn't be allowed to? What is more dominating, writing or patroling edits? But I don't exactly question your right to "rule" here. I wish I could stay within limits that you would consider polite, not just tolerable. But I must admit that I really prefer to post a lot in spite of this, and you have made many accusations and claims that I would like to defend myself from. But my feeling toward you is gratitude that in spite of how you perceive me, you seem to be allowing me free speech. I appreciate and respect that very much. I'm not sure where this will lead us, but for what it is worth anyway. (By the way, I managed to cut out about half of what I wrote before we spoke at IRC. For others looking for this chatroom: at the IRC command line type "/server irc.freenode.net", then "/join #wikiindex".) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 05:03, 2 October 2009 (EDT) | |||