User talk:Zhuyifei1999

Hello

Welcome to WikiIndex, and thanks for your recent edits. I am trying to understand the reason for this edit. Was your discovery of this bug as a result of trying to create a new article using the Form:Wiki? Best regards, --Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 06:39, 30 March 2013 (PDT)

In Form:Wiki source it says that we can type no to tell the Template:Wiki that there aren't any node in the wiki. But every time I used the form, it didn't accept no. I thought the type string would accept it, so I made the edit. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 18:10, 30 March 2013 (PDT)

Spam fighting / user name space

Hi - thanks for flagging up all them spam edits. If you see another flood like this, and don't see any sysops deleting it, message any of us which are online to deal with it.

And would you like to add something about yourself in your own name space - such as languages you speak or your timezone? Best regards, and thanks again :) Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 08:14, 12 April 2013 (PDT)

You're welcome.--Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 08:36, 12 April 2013 (PDT)

Thank you for flagging spam. As someone who despises spam, your help is greatly appreciated. Arcane (talk) 20:09, 30 April 2013 (PDT)Arcane

Redirects

Hi again. Can you please refrain from creating hard redirects to non-WikiIndex articles? That means no redirects to other sites such as Wikimedia, Uncyclomedia or Wikia wikis, etc. Redirects should only be used for existing articles or categories here on WikiIndex. If there is a real need to link to offsite wikis, we specifically use the InterWiki table. Best regards, Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 04:30, 14 April 2013 (PDT)

OK, I'll find where they are requested by, and fix them. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 04:53, 14 April 2013 (PDT)

Fixed. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 04:57, 14 April 2013 (PDT)

Logos

Hi - great work with your logo hunting. Can I please ask that you don't change an internal wikilink to an external url hotlink if the logos are identical - as you did with this edit here. Also, feel free to upload any new or updated logos if you are able to (I often hotlink when there is no existing logo because I'm too lazy sometimmes to upload! - but we really ought to upload every logo).

I'm also impressed with your overall knowledge of MediaWiki ... what other wikis are you involved with? Best regards, and keep up your great work :-))) Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 10:43, 24 April 2013 (PDT)

First, the logos aren't identical (File:Wikipedia.png is dimmer and the Chinese character is 祖 not 维). See wp:History of Wikipedia#Evolution of logo. Second, I'm also involved in LifeWiki (active about a month ago), Powder Toy Wiki (maybe no edit), WikiApiary (joined recently), MediaWiki.org (some edits) and some other Wikimedia Foundation wikis including Wikipedia (few edits). Also, I'm sometimes not able to upload because I'm using an iPad. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 03:03, 25 April 2013 (PDT)

Thanks for the link on the evolution of the Wikipedia logo. I now understand why you've been changing them. Maybe we can still keep the old logo by floating a thumbnail on the left side of the article - as per this template edit. Best Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 13:02, 1 May 2013 (PDT)

Appreciate your effort here!

Many thanks! Do you have a first name to go by, i.e. Hoof Hearted is Sean? I am a big advocate of Real Names but not forcing them, just asking :-) Best, MarkDilley

OK. --YiFei | talk 00:18, 30 April 2013 (PDT)

Me with a booming smile :-D ~~ MarkDilley

Template:WikiStatus

Are you able to add some Chinese translation to the new Archive section of the Template:WikiStatus please? :)) Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 11:54, 30 April 2013 (PDT)

OK. --YiFei | talk 17:51, 30 April 2013 (PDT)

Subst vs transcluded templates

Hi YiFei, couple of points. 1) we are no where any size that Wikipedia is and so from a technological and spam point of view, I don't think it is an issue there. 2) My main point is to have the wiki look as clean as it can, and yes, that is especially at an editing the page level. I think that date stamps and all the other colors, formatting in signatures is problematic - to me it is noise and adds no value to the wiki. Yes you are talking to a pre-Wikipedia person :-) So, I was playing with the idea of moving all the "stuff" into signatures to clean up the wiki. Best, MarkDilley

Hi. What if the templates like Template:HoofHearted is spammed? Is there any way to protect is so that only Sean could edit it? --YiFei | talk 18:00, 4 May 2013 (PDT)

It could be protected just for sysops - consider this course of action. Doing the easiest next step. In this case, seeing if it becomes a spam target. My guess is that we won't have to worry about it. Also, I don't think the timestamp can be transcluded, which is a problem for some folks. I am ok with no action or shared action on this. :-) Best, MarkDilley

It can be substituted, but not transcluded. See Template:YiFei --YiFei | talk 05:39, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you are both trying to re-invent the wheel? The default MediaWiki signature generator is the most secure method of generating a signature - and it is how all other MediaWiki installations do it. And I'm also not sure why there is seemingly apparent denial of the very real spam problem from Mark! Finally, I really don't get why Mark is trying to 'clean up the wiki' - signatures with timestamps is the way MediaWiki works - and that is exactly how the millions of existing MediaWiki users will be familiar with. Mark, if you really don't like how MediaWiki works, then maybe it is time to either shut down WikiIndex, or move it back to a more prehistoric wiki engine. A lot of effort is being wasted here .... maybe time for me to check-out - just like the many other valuable past contributors to this site! ://// Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 03:42, 5 May 2013 (PDT)

I am not trying to reinvent the wheel, as you say Sean, merely exploring how to make a cleaner wiki. Which is what I have been doing here since 2006 and you since 2011. I do not understand your frustration here, I have not been heavy handed about anything. I am not denying a spam problem here either. I uses the signature generator - and when I have had fancy signatures I have used {{MarkDilley}}. You are right Sean, I don't like how MediaWiki works - one time I was having lunch with Brion Vibber, a main MediaWiki developer, and we were complaining how MediaWiki was a good wiki for the encyclopedia but very bloated for pretty much every other wiki instance. I do understand that many public wiki use MediaWiki and that WikiIndex has since its inception - but the software doesn't have to override community ideals. Again, I really don't understand your frustrations Sean, is it not ok to talk about things? People check out of wiki when they want, and check back in when they want - it is the nature of wiki - I would also say that Ray King owns the domain, the idea was mine, and John Stanton implemented. I am not a Meatball:GodKing - the community has always run this wiki. Why do you say a lot of effort is wasted here? ~~ MarkDilley

Oh, YiFei, sorry for spamming your talk page :((( Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 03:42, 5 May 2013 (PDT)

Never mind. I like them because I can make my timestamps in UTC. --YiFei | talk 10:49, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

OK, I understand that, and appreciate you want UTC timestamps. But Mark should fix the MediaWiki software (or get someone else to fix it) - so that the default timestamp is UTC, and also so that individuals can actually alter it to their own personal timezone via their own preference settings. Its a great template, but it would be a hassle for every single user to use it, when the MW software should automatically do it for us. Best :)) Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 05:33, 5 May 2013 (PDT)

I think Ray King actually own this wiki. See who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=wikiindex.org&isc=ALEXADOM --YiFei | talk 12:49, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I know Ray (aka User:Rathbone) owns the domain name, but I think that Ray has handed over day-to-day control and running of the wiki to MarkDilley. I don't know if Mark has access to the server though! :// Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 07:57, 5 May 2013 (PDT)

If Mark have to change the settings, he must change http://wikiindex.org/LocalSettings.php, which needs access to the server. By the way, why are there two Ray Kings -- User:Ray King and User:Rathbone? --YiFei | talk 15:09, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Mark is not a backend person. We need to put these things on the Upgrades page. ~~ MarkDilley

User:Emufarmers

The page was deleted and protected because it had been the target of a spammer/vandal. Spamming contained religious commentary which was removed. TeraS (talk) 03:47, 5 May 2013 (PDT)

I'm just researching why he can be an sysop, how User:Emufarmers2 exist without creating an account, just things like this. --YiFei | talk 10:53, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm not a programmer (so I don't know the specific detail), but I think I've heard that anyone who has access to a certain MediaWiki file (maybe 'settings.php') on the host server can somehow gain 'backdoor' access to a wiki, and grant themselves sysop and crat rights, without actually having an account on said wiki. I've blocked Emufarmers2 - but I still think we have vulnerabilities with our software setup. Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 05:38, 5 May 2013 (PDT)

It's not possible. See http://wikiindex.org/LocalSettings.php --YiFei | talk 12:52, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I've found that he's a developer of MediaWiki, but I didn't find any bad code changes. --YiFei | talk 14:27, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

[1] Emufarmers (talk) 14:27, 7 May 2013 (PDT)

bot

should we make the bot, a bot in RecentChanges? or wait for it to work for a little? Love it! Best, MarkDilley

YiFei - can you set yor bot to run a few sample tasks before we grant it official bot rights please? --Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 15:56, 11 May 2013 (PDT)

OK. I'm still testing. There's a lot of bug in it. --YiFei | talk 05:47, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

did you get my email?

I sent it through WikiIndex mail ~~ MarkDilley

Yes, and I have replied. --YiFei | talk 10:59, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Talk page policy

I noticed you've moved my replies in the past, and while I mostly thought it strange, I'm afraid I must ask you to please not do so in the future for a few reasons:

• This is not Wikipedia. The link you provided is helpful, but those rules are not necessarily applicable everywhere.
• The method of reply used is not improper to my knowledge, as posting replies on the original talk page only sends one user new message updates, especially if they have email updates enabled.
• I have sent messages like the ones you have complained about in the past to other users without problems before.
• The messages I was sending to another user (who in this case happens to be a fellow admin on another wiki) were to discuss how to communicate with each other more efficiently since the web host our wiki was on was making direct communication there difficult, and both of us getting replies to each other was vital.
• The methods we used to communicate did not violate any rules here, and we communicated in a similar manner to each other on the wiki we were discussing without a problem.

In short, please do not remove replies from my talk pages or others in the name of your interpretation of how they should be used from now on, at least not without consulting Mark Dilley first. Arcane (talk) 08:03, 12 June 2013 (PDT)Arcane

Admin Things

About your request to be one of the Sysops, that I have to place in the hands of Mark as this is something that I don't feel I have the right to do without his permission. I would suggest contacting him off Wiki and talking to him about this. TeraS (talk) 13:18, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Ok. But I'm not sure he'll reply right now. I've already sent him some e-mails, including this request today. But the last one, about a typo in Template:Vandal and protecting Category talk:Wiki Topic, he hasn't replied to me yet, and neither fixed them --YiFei | talk 13:46, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

I'll protect the talk page now, where is the typo? TeraS (talk) 14:30, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

It's actually a difference between British English and American English accroding to Wiktionary, but the word vandalising is being treated as a typo on my iPad. I'm not sure it's necessary to change it. (But prefer) --YiFei | talk 14:39, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

I had an insane work week last week AND I found that all my WikiIndex alert messages were in my spam folder. Sorry! ~~ MarkDilley

It is a wiki and people do what they can

Hi YiFei, see your edit summaries and think you are frustrated - I hope not. Look forward to the abuse filter bot - looks very helpful! Best, MarkDilley

Oh. Sorry. I just find that I have to notify every sysop if I'm not. First, Sean, then, you, then Arcane. Just getting tired of that. --YiFei | talk 14:59, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I think people will make mistakes on the wiki - that is kinda why I think it works. Wiki:WikiPeace, MarkDilley

BTW, it's not actually a bot. It's a kind of reserved user, just like User:MediaWiki default. --YiFei | talk 15:11, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Looks cool, I see its log and I don't see those in RecentChanges - hopeful that it is really, really effective! :-) MarkDilley

It only shows when a block happened. Filter 4 does that, but filter 9 is also a common type of link spam. I'm thinking of adding it as a blocking filter too. --YiFei | talk 23:10, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Also, accounts like User:ABIDEEN0 would tigger filter 7 and 8. --YiFei | talk 23:14, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Where is the guide / documentation on what these filters do and how they do it, I think it is facsinating. If there is not any, I would like to help create some. Best, MarkDilley

See Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki#Seems like account spam is increasing. --YiFei | talk 02:56, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

On blocking no edit users

Myself and the rest of the administration have been blocking no edit users like the example you brought up because, typically, most of those accounts have either matched patterns of spammers as seen on other wikis (some of whom have used these accounts as sleepers), and because most vandals and spambots make throwaway accounts with nonsense strings of information and typically tend to make many accounts in a short amount of time, either as part of their programming or as sleeper sockpuppets.

You can review the block log to see what I mean.

Also, most users who sign onto WikiIndex who turn out to be legitimate usually make new wiki pages, create user pages, or edits that are obviously not vandal edits almost immediately after joining, barring the occasional vandal revisionist (rewriting a page to suit their beliefs without being an obvious vandal) or religious spammer (we've had a few who deface pages on wikis they feel insult their beliefs with their own hateful interpretation of the content).

If you feel this policy should be changed, I suggest expressing your concerns to MarkDilley. Me personally, I have noticed how effective the Abuse filter has been, so you make a very good point for your opposition to the current policy, but by the same token, spammers and vandals can always switch tactics to get around it, and given the huge amounts of spam and vandalism we've had to fight, we tend to err on the side of caution.

Regardless, thanks for letting me know how you feel about banning no edit users.

Arcane (talk) 19:09, 28 June 2013 (UTC)Arcane

new for me

Hi YiFei, this edit has me baffled and a little excited as I have never seen it before, can you explain it to me. Thanks! ~~ MarkDilley

I restored the page, so now the revision exists. Special:Permalink is just a shortcut to all existing (not deleted) revisions. So I made it like that. (Learnt from Commons:User:Leyo) --YiFei | talk 05:24, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Arabic interface

Thanx for Arabic interface. It is a pleasure contribute with it.Regards.Brahfous (talk) 13:00, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Linking english button to arabic page

Thanks .

I tried it and it helps me a lot, but a lot of the navigation buttons are not translated into Arabic. They are all in English except for the Toolbox which is entirely in Arabic.

buttons in English link to pages in English; Arabic buttons link to pages translated into Arabic.

I translated in Arabic and created the page of 'Add a Wiki' named إضافة ويكي (http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex:%D8%A5%D8%B6%D8%A7%D9%81%D8%A9_%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A) but i can not linking it to the translated page in arabic.

The page 'Add a Wiki' is protected.

How I can link ’ home ‘ from ‘community’ to the Arabic page مرحبا, because ‘Home’ links me always to: http://wikiindex.org/Welcome not to: http://wikiindex.org/%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%AD%D8%A8%D8%A7.

Best.

Brahfous (talk) 14:34, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

For Add a Wiki, I unprotected for you. For the sidebar, can you give me a translation?

Buttons don't link to translated pages.Changes reverted.

Hi.Thank you for removing the protection and pages 'Home' and 'Add a wiki'. But not refer directly to pages translated in arabic .

I was obliged to use 'Redirect'.

My Redirection was reverted by you.

Apologies if I made a mistake with the community..Brahfous (talk) 15:21, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

To change all the mw-panel of my Wikiindex into arabic

Here are the elements of the mw-panel translated into Arabic:

مجتمع الويكي = community

الصفحة الاولى = Home

إضافة ويكي = Add a Wiki

التغييرات الأخيرة = Recent changes

بوابة مجتمع الويكي = Community portal

قرابات ويكي = WikiNode

موقف جولة بالحافلة = TourBusStop

قوائم ويكي = Wiki Lists

ناس الويكي = Wiki People

شعارات ويكي = Wiki Logos

التحرير الجماعي = Etherpad

موارد = resources

الكتب والفيديوهات = Books and Video

المدونات = Weblogs

ويكي عشوائي = Random Wiki

صفحات المساعدة = help pages

صفحة معلوماتي = Page information

The rest of the buttons are already translated into Arabic

With my gratitude.

Brahfous (talk) 19:13, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

✓ Partly done, I'm having trouble translating Page information. --YiFei | talk 08:52, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

To complete translating and linking arabic equivalent

Thanks for making changes to the lateral panel of WikiIndex.

All is in Arabic except for ‘page information’ .

Can you change this button to صفحة معلوماتي.

The equivalent of Sandbox(mw-head) in Arabic is ملعب تجربة .

How to link these buttons directly to pages translated into Arabic and not to those in English , especially WikiIndex:إضافة_ويكي (Add a Wiki).

I noticed the “other languages:ar “ link at the bottom of the page but not everyone may notice it.

Gratefulnesses. Brahfous (talk) 19:50, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit Summaries are useful

Hi YiFei, please refrain from using shorthand when possible, and could you explain to me these: dyn & lc - thanks, it is much easier to follow what is going on when folks write out the words. Best, MarkDilley

Ok. --YiFei | talk 13:41, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Dyn (dynamic), lc (lowercase) in those cases, mean to use a system message instead of a constant. --YiFei | talk 23:25, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous editing

I am curious what you are wanting to do here? Best, MarkDilley

Just found that his IP have an account, and both focus on the Defiance Wiki, so they might be a the same person. (This should really be talked on private.) --YiFei | talk 09:16, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

wikiFactor of Deutsche Wikipedia

Are you sure about wikiFactor of Deutsche Wikipedia? Before it was 125, now you write 110. It looks strange to me. Greetings --89.183.14.152 23:56, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

It said 110 Kaley Cuoco 110533, so I do think it is 110. Please tell me if I'm wrong. --YiFei | talk 03:28, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Voting

Here is some of my thoughts on voting Meatball:VotingIsEvil - best, MarkDilley

thank you

Thank you for adding the magic keywords to WikiIndex:FrequentlyAskedQuestions so readers get the latest information about how many wiki are listed here.[2] --DavidCary (talk) 16:56, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. --YiFei | talk 17:13, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

I don't understand

I don't understand what YiFeiBot is trying to do in a recent edit[3]. I assume that edit is the unwanted result of some software bug somewhere, and you didn't really mean to do that. So I reverted[4]. (Since User talk:YiFeiBot redirects to your talk page, I thought you might know something about it).

If my assumption is incorrect (as they often are), please undo my revert. --DavidCary (talk) 17:10, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

You're right, I didn't notice it when it runs, and the script isn't needed anymore. --YiFei | talk 17:13, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Abuse Filter as bot?

question here. Best, MarkDilley

Deleting Spam

Could you clear the deletion field ("Other/additional reason") before you delete a spam please?.....you are moving the spam from the main page to the logs where it will remain....forever!... Comets

It is possible to oversight logs, but I'll have to ask Emufarmers for that feature. Also clearing it takes some more time, and this spam flood is extremely bad, so I didn't do that. I'll try next time. --YiFei | talk 13:42, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Plus 1 - :-) Best, MarkDilley

Sorry, just forgot. Maybe I'll make a script to do that next time. --YiFei | talk 01:14, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

No worries!! The larger thing here is that ... THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU DO HERE!!! :-) Best, MarkDilley

You're welcome, the script works fine now. --YiFei | talk 02:45, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Sean

Looks like he is wiki-ing alright! whew. Best, MarkDilley

I'm afraid not. That one comes from the US. --YiFei | talk 02:53, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

RationalWiki

I try to change RationalWiki into a multilingual version. But where are some problems.

1. Russian RationalWiki is to be moved now to RationalWiki (ru). I can not to this.
2. I create Template:RationalWiki, but there is a problem with "[http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/RationalWiki here]". I took it from RationalWiki, see here.
3. RationalWiki is to be moved now to RationalWiki (en). I can not to this.
4. After #3 done, there is to create a new RationalWiki, look inside the code:

{{MultilingualMain

|logo = http://rationalwiki.org/w/images/6/6e/Rw_logo.png

|URL = http://rationalwiki.org

|engine = MediaWiki

|maintopic= Pseudoscience

|license = Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike

}}{{language versions|en|ru}}

{{RationalWiki}}

Thank you! --89.15.96.155 10:09, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

About moving you can create an account to do this ;) I'm looking into the others --YiFei | talk 10:14, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! There was somethink like a spamfilter, but now I figured out, that the domain of "encyclopediadramatica.ch" has changed to "encyclopediadramatica.es"

Now all works fine! :-) --89.15.96.155 10:34, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

 :) --YiFei | talk 11:04, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Template:TOCright

Thank you for your try to help. The problem of {{Template:TOCright}} is a "clear:right" inside.

That makes the content box appear under the great box and it is not so good, to have to scroll down to find it. ;-) --89.15.64.40 10:13, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Fixed --YiFei | talk 10:23, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Not exactly. As you see, the top of the content box is NOT inline with the top of WikiTourBus box, because there is another "padding-top:.5em" in {{Template:TOCright}} and I set it to "padding-top:0" in {{Template:WikiMANNia/TOC}} --89.15.210.137 14:10, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Like this? --YiFei | talk 14:38, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

I give you 5! :-) --89.15.210.137 14:49, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

 :) --YiFei | talk 14:50, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

I have my stuff done. Thank you for all! Until the next time. Bye! --89.15.210.137 14:54, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Bye --YiFei | talk 14:55, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Sadly, the changes to Template:TOCright have now messed up many other articles which use it. See Regiowikis for an example - before it was altered, the TOC would float immediately below the infobox. I think we need to revert the TOCright template, and try to fix the padding/margin spacing and placement for the TourBusStop box. I understand (and respect) why the IP editor wanted this change, but it has resulted in messing up far more articles than has been resolved. Maybe we ought to undelete Template:WikiMANNia/TOC. What are your thoughts on this? Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 02:19, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Would it look cooler with the toctree on? --YiFei | talk 10:27, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Sean. This was exactly, why I defined a separate {{Template:WikiMANNia/TOC}}! ;-)

But {{Template:WikiMANNia/TOC}} can be moved to {{Template:TOCright_"somethingelse"}}, for example {{Template:TOCright_without_clear}}, to have both posibilities. Another solution is, to add a parameter to {{Template:TOCright}} like "clear=set" or "clear=unset" or somethink like that.

It's allways the same: First think a lot, after this do hacking. Otherwise you have double work! ;-)) --89.15.112.107 11:00, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Template:Wiki

Hello, me again! ;-) Please have a look here: Template:Wiki Thanks! --89.15.96.59 06:23, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, it's me! ;-) Please look again: Template:Wiki Thanks! --89.15.112.107 01:23, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

MW special pages and strange templates

I've noticed a few strange templates appearing - particularly dealing with page count and wikiFactor on a few differing multilingual articles, such as WikiMANNia, Psiram and no doubt a few others. They all seem to have been created by a German IP editor, and I don't understand the need for them.

And can you advise what is the purpose of MediaWiki:Abusefilter-warning-br and Template:Br - the template is just a simple html code, which is very widely used throughought the wiki-world and beyond.

Looks like you've been doing an amazing job here whilst I've been ill - really appreciate your effort. :-))))) Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 00:12, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Abusefilter-warning-br and Template:Br see Special:AbuseFilter/18 --YiFei | talk 10:29, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

MediaWiki namespace, test editing and edit summaries

Please STOP adding un-necessary pages in the MediaWiki namespace, and please STOP reverting other admins edits without first discussing the issue. Our MediaWiki setup was functioning perfectly fine without your additional pages clogging up the namespace with totally unjustified additional pages and associated cascades. Creating cascading MediaWiki pages simply slows down the wiki, creates errors, and even creates excess server loading.

Please STOP flooding article histories with test edits. If you want to test new stuff - use a sandbox. If you want to test stuff in templates - please allow time for the system cache to purge, and THEN check related articles for the effects of your edit. Test edits make it very difficult - and time-consuming to track changes - especially when mistakes or un-desireable changes are made.

Finally, please use edit summaries which we can all understand. Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 17:05, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

1. They are for i18n, therefore they are not unnecessary.
2. You deleted them first without discussing with Brafous.
3. You can search for i18n if you like in Google, as it is a common word. --YiFei | talk 04:28, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Again?

Do you mean me personally edit warring or are you talking about another situation at WikiIndex? Best, Mark

The reverts looks like already in a war or will be in a war, which I hope that it will never happen again. --YiFei | talk 08:38, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

I think this one has been averted :-) MarkDilley

List of harassing open proxies

[5] is a list of the IPs involved in the recent harassment or editing of related pages. In particular, it appears that every one of the IPs involved -- with two exceptions listed at the bottom -- is likely an open proxy or TOR node. I show entries from the meta.wikipedia global block log for some, WikiMedia Foundation stewards generally indef hard-block identified open proxy ranges, then deal with possible interference with legitimate editors by suggesting IP block exemption.

This is for your information only, it is not a request for action.

I have only handled local admin tasks on a WMF wiki, and only very rarely used range blocks. So this was a new kind of investigation for me. I apologize for any inconvenience, I hope we can persuade Leucosticte to be less provocative. He will generally cooperate, if given clear boundaries. --Abd (talk) 16:14, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

new spamming episode

Hi YiFei, I don't know if you are aware that spammers seem to be getting through and editing articles? I've noticed two separate occurances today (Monday 21 May). If you check the edit histories of Wiki and Talk:WikiEngineTree, you can get an idea of their latest methods of spamming. Hope you will be able to update any of your abuse filter settings to counter them.

Hope you are well, and best regards :) Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 19:26, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry I was away for 2 weeks. For the Wiki one, I'm not sure about how to determine whether the two edits are spam by AF. For Talk:WikiEngineTree, how about "Prevent new users from adding 10+ links with nothing more"? And thanks for notifying me :)--YiFei | talk 22:42, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Like the prevent x links from being added with nothing more. Agree, not sure how to stop the other type of spam. To both of you, rockin!! ~~ MarkDilley

Hope Special:AbuseFilter/32 will do --YiFei | talk 10:39, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Filter 32 looks great, although I tweaked the grammar slightly, I hope that is ok (please revert if you wish). You've done awesome work with all the abuse filters, and I think they are a massive improvement, so a huge thanks :))

Just thinking out loud, could another filter be created (for new users only) which prevents new articles being created (and maybe existing articles editied) which don't include one of our main templates (the obvious being template:Wiki - but another could be template:NotAWiki), or one of our existing categories? Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 22:23, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the grammar fix :)

And for "new articles with no main templates or categories"(?), could the filter only tag an edit or even just log the edit? IMO such edit might actually be useful. And what about wiki people and ideas? They usually don't have such main templates. --YiFei | talk 03:15, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

I bow to your knowledge with the filters - you know far more about them than I do :)))). For wiki people - can you restrict a filter to work in a specic namespace? Maybe create one filter with one set of rules for our main namespace which needs either a template and/or a category, and a different filter for User: and User talk: namespaces with say differing rules - how about limiting it to five urls, and the url must contain the word wiki - afterall, most wiki people like to list any other wikis they edit. As for wiki ideas - good question . . . maybe we just have to accept that only autoconfirmed users can create such articles. Would any of those suggestions work? Best Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 15:58, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks :D Could the filters be:

1. New users (< 5 edits) and anons have to put either a template and/or a category to their new article, or else they will be given a warning (and nothing else?). There's no good way to automatically detect whether a template or category exists afaik.
2. User pages for new users can hold maximum 5 links unless the user page contains "wiki", or else they will be given a warning (and nothing else?).

Are these okay for you? --YiFei | talk 09:53, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply :/ Yes, please go ahead with those when you get a moment. :)) Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 13:23, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

It's okay. I hope Special:AbuseFilter/33 and Special:AbuseFilter/34 will do, but there's no such spams atm to test these. --YiFei | talk 02:24, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

BackupPC wiki

You where setting engine=MediaWiki, please check again and confirm. See http://wikiindex.org/WikiIndex_talk:Community_portal#sourceforge.net_Wiki_engine.3F as well. Manorainjan (talk) 14:09, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Jake4d

While You are at, please rename File:SelfPortrait.JPG to Jake4d.

Is it necessary to create a redirect in case of pages that did not get used/linked to until then? Why not just delete?Manorainjan (talk) 11:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure about deletions. If you feel that an image or a redirect should be deleted, feel free to put a Template:Tl there. --YiFei | talk 11:54, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Redirects on files are a bad idea, as they'll then create a false positive link. YiFei, do you have ability to suppress creating redirects on page move? Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 16:25, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I have the permission to suppress redirects. But I not sure what's a false positive link, and why is it bad. As you can see, Wikimedia Commons moves files all the time and most of the time there's no suppressing redirects. Since the image I moved was linked, I'd rather not suppress the redirect. --YiFei | talk 00:15, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

When you create a redirect (without supressing the original) of a main namespace article, and then click on Special:WhatLinksHere, the list of links clearly indicates redirects, and you are given the option to hide redirects. However, on file namespace articles containing images, the old 'redirected' file name will show up below the image as a live link. This isn't ideal if you wish to search for 'orphaned' images by selecting the File namespace from the Special:LonelyPages – hence my term 'false positive'. WM Commons may be happy with that situation, and they have a massive army of editors (and probably bots) who can fix that. Here at WikiIndex, we don't have the luxury of an army of editors.  :)) Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 14:47, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

And a massive army of web tools :) Thanks for the explanation, and I'll suppress the redirects. --YiFei | talk 23:48, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Strange "people" pages

http://wikiindex.org/Special:Contributions/108.46.223.126 Or shall we ask User:Sweetie Belle to take care for this kind of things? Manorainjan (talk) 14:28, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

✓ Done deleted and blocked. Thanks for notifying ;)--YiFei | talk 15:17, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I remember those exact same articles being created some months back. Maybe use check user and block IP for much longer? Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 23:26, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

To me it looked like a provocation or a test. I do not think the person is unknown to everybody to us. Therefore I was asking to involve our Sweetie, maybe she recognizes this style. Manorainjan (talk) 00:12, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

CU this IP range doesn't do much. Does it? --YiFei | talk 23:49, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Should we have alternative infoboxes besides Template:Wiki?

Discussion here. --MarvelZuvembie (talk) 19:46, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Polling templates

Could You import more? http://wikiindex.org/Template:Polling_template Manorainjan (talk) 14:11, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

3 templates ✓ Done. But File:Pictogram voting comment.svg didn't work :( --YiFei | talk 03:40, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks :-) Manorainjan (talk)

BOT

I see work coming for Your diligent BOT: User_talk:Hoof_Hearted#WikiIndex:Add_a_Wiki

This one's hard o.O IMO it's the way that Template:Tl works should be changed. --YiFei | talk 09:06, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Therefore I suggested fist to change the function and then to clean up (insert all missing lines) with the bot (one time). And, since the 'inactive' discussion remains endless, those Pages would have to be excluded from the run. Possibly there need to be several runs first in order to mark the pages which should be changed, to find out, which is a Wiki page and which not. There may be several pages which do not even have a trace of that template on them but are still (embryonic) Wiki pages. From that perspective this first run can be tried before the function is repaired. How to find Wiki pages that do not contain the Wiki template at all? Manorainjan (talk) 11:10, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Please check for SPAM

http://wikiindex.org/Talk:Augustine_Blakely_Larson Manorainjan (talk) 17:50, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

hmm... --YiFei | talk 09:07, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

I was thinking to block the supposedly black hunk and removing his unambiguous remark rather than deleting the page! Manorainjan (talk) 18:51, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Quite the inclusionist, huh? Leucosticte (talk) 23:04, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

A true one Manorainjan (talk)

Well, Leucosticte had the article tagged Template:Tl on September 1st (and unfortunately, he is the author), which is a valid reason for deletion. I see no reason to keep the orphaned talk page. --YiFei | talk 08:49, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Does that mean articles becoming the property of the one who create the page? Do authors of later contributions not get any 'right'. What is the licence under which this Wiki stands? What if someone creates the page and another one the talk page? That could lead to another 'endless' discussion easily.....Manorainjan (talk) 10:47, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I forgot to answer Your question: The reason to keep an 'orphaned' talk page is, that before it becomes orphaned it would be the place to discuss the deletion if there are objections. And the deletion was neither undisputed nor urgent.Manorainjan (talk) 11:19, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

It's sort of a wiki tradition. See wp:Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#G7._Author_requests_deletion. With regard to the talk page, see wp:Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#G8._Pages_dependent_on_a_non-existent_or_deleted_page for how Wikipedia handles that. Yeah, if the deletion discussion were carried on at the talk page, they would keep the talk page, but that almost never happens. RationalWiki does keep the talk pages of deleted subject pages. Leucosticte (talk) 11:52, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

You want to argue on grounds of WP policies? Great! Than let us continue this little argument where it belongs: Who cares what rules Wikipedia supposedly follows?

It's kind of like, if you're arguing a case in a U.S. Court of Appeals, mentioning how other circuits ruled on the issue. Those decisions aren't binding on the court that will be ruling in your case, but they could be persuasive. Leucosticte (talk) 13:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Haha, that's so funny that You use the word persuasive ;-) I just thought of that in my reply on Your talk page Manorainjan (talk) 13:27, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

WikiIndex:Abuse Filter

I moved the chat to the talk page. Could You write a description/introduction on the project page? Manorainjan (talk) 10:53, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

That's okay. --YiFei | talk 13:23, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Account creation/confirmation

It looks like a new account needs to be confirmed before one can log in. How often do the admins check for new accounts and confirm them?

For new users it looks like they have to wait for the confirmation email which they have to use to activate the account.

and when the confirmation email is not coming, I think many would give up or forget about it. M.

Usually when there is an email-confirmed account request, Recentchanges would have a banner like (except that the border is red)

Some admins check recentchanges frequently and should see the notices as soon as possible. As for the ones who can't get their email confirmed, you're right, it pisses them off. --YiFei | talk 08:23, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Manorainjan, why is this of concern to you? You don't 'own' WikiIndex, and you have repeatedly stated you categorically do NOT want sysop rights! So why are you so concerned in how we (the trusted community of crats & sysops) operate our wiki?

But for the sake of other folks who wish to become a harmonious part of our community, I'll add my two-pence worth to the correct (in parts) answer which YiFei has given. I personally check recent changes many times each day during the periods I'm online, and will review any new account requests as soon as possible. The action banner appears for all new account requests, irrespective of weather their e-mail is confirmed or not. We also have the option to authorise new accounts, at our own careful discretion, even if their e-mail is not confirmed; though I'm not willing to describe such circumstances, to protect the integrity of the Confirm account system. As for the potential new account users being "pissed off" over a minor delay in confirming their account - well perhaps they should be a little more accomodating and understanding, and if not, then perhaps they don't belong on WikiIndex. Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 10:15, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

I Know there was an account creation but it did not show in RC. M.

Category:MediaWikiSystem

Success: https://test.orain.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar No causalities ;-) Manorainjan (talk) 14:27, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Why not use Special:AllPages/MediaWiki: instead of a category?

I'm not the either/or kind a guy. I'm more as well as.

I'm more of "either or" kind. If one is already functional, I consider the other duplicated or obsolete. --YiFei | talk 08:43, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

There're other messages interpreted as raw.

Means?

See mw:Manual:Messages_API#Output_modes_and_escaping, for plain() and text() --YiFei | talk 08:43, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Eg. MediaWiki:Toc. --YiFei | talk 15:01, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

OK, I didn't 'create' a test wiki, I used one. But I proved You wrong, dindn't I?.Manorainjan (talk)

Yes, you proved me wrong in MediaWiki:Sidebar, but not the others. I cannot go and tag all pages without being sure it's 100% safe. If you seriously need Category:MediaWikiSystem, I'll go and read Message.php (manual) --YiFei | talk 08:43, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Noinclude, includeonly, and onlyinclude

This feature is not available before version 1.6. These features are applied as nesting pairs, or 'Blocks', as it is said they enclose the material so that they can be said to begin and end a block of wikitext (code).

noinclude blocks

Anything between <noinclude> and </noinclude> will be processed and displayed only when the page is being viewed directly; it will not be included or substituted. Possible applications are:

1. Categorising templates, see template documentation.
2. Interlanguage links to similar templates in other languages.
3. Pages in the MediaWiki namespace.

-- Is that save enough? Manorainjan (talk) 09:29, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

No, interface messages are different from template transclusion :P --YiFei | talk 11:11, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

I'll do testings on this later (after a week as I'll be away). Meanwhile, could you get consensus for this? --YiFei | talk 11:29, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Ha, ha, very funny ;-) I wouldn't try to start another 'endless' discussion for this thing right now. --13:09, 30 September 2014 (UTC)Manorainjan (talk)

WikiIndex:Teamwork Info

This is a proposal for a new wiki community related feature.

I hope You like the idea and find a way to integrate this table on Your User Page.

Online Accessibility	E-mail	Commitment	Exeptions	UTC	Skills	Duty	Rank	Propensities
	yes		Week 40		Filter, Bot	-	Admin

It's first try. I'm happy if You help to improve it. Details filled in lines other than mine are of course only for demonstration. I'm curious to see how You might fill it. --Manorainjan (talk) 00:30, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Preventing account creation

It there any possibility to prevent the creation of an account of a specific name like "0000000000000" without having this name in the list Special:ListUsers? Manorainjan (talk) 12:39, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

• I think I got the answer: mw:Extension:TitleBlacklist
• "This extension is bundled with MediaWiki 1.21" So it should be available.
• But it seems to be not available Special:Version

Manorainjan (talk) 13:01, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

• Created a new Category: Category:AccountToBeBlocked Manorainjan (talk) 20:25, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

That was Special:AbuseFilter/20 and now is Special:ConfirmAccounts. However, I don't think it's necessary to block Category:AccountToBeBlocked --YiFei | talk 09:19, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Could You delete all those accounts that match Special:AbuseFilter/20? Manorainjan (talk)

Do these special abuse filters replace mw:Extension:TitleBlacklist functionally? Manorainjan (talk)

• Deleting accounts is not possible without direct database access.*They can replace. --YiFei | talk 12:47, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• Who is they and what can they replace?
• what can be done to get those dysfunctional accounts out of the Special:ListUsers and statistics? We got an ratio 500:1 registered to active users. Manorainjan (talk) 15:18, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• Abuse filters can replace mw:Extension:TitleBlacklist functionally theoretically, but could be harder to work with.
• mw:Extension:UserMerge (delete after merge; can't merge blocked accounts) But why would be dysfunctional accounts be a problem anyways? --YiFei | talk 15:36, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• The right hideuser see: [6] would do the trick.
• The account would still exist, but be blocked and not show up in userlist.
• That would enable to turn the bulky list into something managable. Manorainjan (talk) 16:20, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

  Well, that one of the oversighter's rights. Could you ask for that at WikiIndex:Upgrades needed? --YiFei | talk 02:18, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

I think no upgrade is needed, see Enabeling 'hideuser' because Extension Oversighter is integrated since 1.6 but disabled by default. What I'm not sure is, if one has to become oversighter in order to get that right, or if the bureaucrat can assign it to just any user?? Manorainjan (talk) 07:17, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Bureaucrat can change a user's user groups, but not user group rights. They are stored in LocalSettings.php, a configuration file in the backend. To change the file requires "upgrade" (a way of saying backend changes). Oversighter is a wikimedia user group that hides information, but its name doesn't have to be "oversighter". Which groups can hideuser only depends on the configuration. --YiFei | talk 07:49, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

I've installed TitleBlacklist (the bundling is only for new installations, I think). The hideuser right lets you hide usernames on logs, but it doesn't affect the user list, as far as I know. Emufarmers (talk) 20:37, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

✓ Done ok is available now :-) Manorainjan (talk) 18:31, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

to be blocked

http://wikiindex.org/Special:Contributions/151.225.230.3

block next time --YiFei | talk 08:35, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

What do You think, is the comment here a reason to block an IP? http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Exhilaration_Animation_Wiki&curid=43331&diff=185910&oldid=185901 Manorainjan (talk) 10:58, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Revision deleted --YiFei | talk 08:15, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

OK, what about semiprotection of pages where those kind of incidents happened? Thing is, You can not talk to that IP-editor and tell him what not to do. Manorainjan (talk) 11:33, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

I don't see repeated vandalism. Or am I wrong? --YiFei | talk 11:44, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

It is one of the pages "Sweetie against the rest of the world" ;-) But this is not my point. If any IP-editor forces any sysop to make a little jump (delete-undelete), than measures should be taken to prevent further hiccups. Since you can not talk to an IP-editor, by semi-protecting the page the IP-editor would be forced to show flag, if he wishes to continue this. Also this wiki is only a bliki. So not really anybody else but the bliki owner would be affected.

Protection are for repeated cases imo. If the IP doesn't come back, no need for protection. Otherwise, that a clear indication of repeating vandalism, so a protection would be necessary. --YiFei | talk 02:19, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

User:MissingLink

Her account creation seems to be complete, but she did not get the confirmation mail back then, besause of our email problem. I think because of that she will not have her password. Please send her her password to the supplied email address at yahoo.co.jp. Manorainjan (talk) 12:55, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

• Please notify me when done or problems arise. Than I can check with her if she got the mail. M.

I have no access to other's password, sorry. --YiFei | talk 04:53, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Then, how she would get the password? Can You create a new one? By now she never got any because the confirmation mail did not arrive. Manorainjan (talk) 10:52, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Can You simply kill that account and she will start a fresh request?Manorainjan (talk) 21:39, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Only 'crats maay rename users and nobody can kill an account currently. I can only create a new account with a different name. If that works for you, what should the new username be? --YiFei | talk 07:57, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

User:Llwy-ar-lawr

i'd like to request a ban of said user, as she has a personal vendetta against the users of this wiki and this wiki, as evidenced here. Sweetie Belle (talk) 16:37, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

I don't process user problems (unless they are clear cases). Please request this elsewhere. --YiFei | talk 08:00, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

I have no such vendetta; it is clearly the other way round. Simply attempting to improve the wiki does not constitute a vendetta, but criticising such attempts, in this case, does. Llwy-ar-lawr (talk) 22:58, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Sorry. Perhaps I should have worded my request better. I didn't mean to request a full block of Llwy-ar-lawr, but rather I wanted to request that she be barred from editing any topics pertaining to Uncyclopedia or Darthipedia on this wiki. This isn't so much a user problem (two users raising issues against each other) as it is a severe bias problem (one user raising issues against two communities on this wiki) that compromises the integrity and facts presented in the edits of myself and others. It's not my intention to bring wiki-drama or warring to WikiIndex, but to clarify what I mean: Llwy-ar-lawr is a former administrator on Uncyclopedia who has since been banned for reasons I'm not familiar with, and in recent weeks, she's taken to reverting any edits to articles relating to said wiki and inserting her own bias against the community to paint the wiki and its members in an ugly light, while simultaneously promoting her own wiki(s) in the process. Elsewhere, Llwy was apparently banned from another wiki called Darthipedia for vandalism and sockpuppeteering under the name Snarglefoop, and now she's trying to have articles related to the topic deleted because it's a "backwater troll wiki" in her view. When I spoke to her on IRC about this, I was told she would create one or two sockpuppet accounts on WikiIndex in the event she were to be banned, and any future edits would be reverted by her "army", and then she proceeded to spam me with an image of a mauled vagina. Regardless of whether or not you see it fit to ban her or her other accounts, what I'm requesting is that her edits be restricted to articles related to topics other than Uncyclopedia (and possibly even Darthipedia) as a means of countering these issues. Alternatively, I would also suggest protecting these articles from being edited by basic users. Having said that, I do understand that you don't typically process such requests, so if you're unable or unwilling, who would be the best administrator to get in contact with concerning this issue? Thank you in advance and sorry if this message comes as a bother. Sweetie Belle (talk) 04:11, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Could you ask Mark? --YiFei | talk 04:46, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Request for ServerMove concerns

Hi Zhuyifei1999. Since you are one of the most active contributors here I wanted to be sure to draw your attention to the upcoming ServerMove and solicit your help in making the transition a positive rather than negative experience. Please take a moment to visit ServerMove and curate the list of concerns. Thanks! -- BrandonCsSanders (talk) 22:39, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Deciding what counts as spam

Please see discussion at WikiIndex_talk:Community_portal#We_need_to_have_a_community_discussion_about_Nathania.2FNathan_Larson.2FUser:Leucosticte. There are a number of questionable recent deletions in Special:Logs/delete, including Newgon Wiki, GlWiki, BoyWiki, ChildWiki, and ChildPorn.info. Leucosticte (talk) 18:21, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Less protection

Would You lower the level of protection for this page or correct the mistake Sean did by freezing Nathans edit? http://wikiindex.org/Category_talk:Active_administrators_of_this_wiki#Policy_pages Manorainjan (talk) 21:58, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

The page Manorainjan refers to is not the page he linked, it is WikiIndex:Protected_page, history.

That sequence was unfortunate. Hoof Hearted has not edited WikiIndex since then (September 22). Manorainjan is a difficult user, and my sense is that Hoof Hearted's fuses blew. Difficult users push the edges of administrators, and it is too much for some. I'd hope HH comes back. Maybe those who know him can encourage that. Everyone makes mistakes, and especially admins can make mistakes dealing with difficult users. That's why we need community. --Abd (talk) 22:40, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

I intentionally linked to the chapter about that page for showing the story first.178.11.224.164 07:29, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

think it makes sense to have that page semi-protected --YiFei | talk 07:23, 5 December 2014 (UTC)