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real names[edit]

MediaWiki:Prefs-help-realname (this notice appears on my preferences page) TedErnst | talk 15:21, 13 May 2006 (EDT)

MediaWiki:Prefs-help-userdata (or maybe I'm confusing with this one) TedErnst | talk 15:22, 13 May 2006 (EDT)

check out this page:

there are actually 3 fields in mediawiki for names - one is Username and we've renamed that Name. one is Real name and is optional. I'm not sure what it's used for. both of these two are on the page I linked above. The third is nickname and can be seen here: Special:Preferences

argh! TedErnst | talk 14:48, 14 May 2006 (EDT)

Did you chop more than you meant to?[edit] --Robin Patterson 23:55, 15 May 2006 (EDT)

No, maybe not - I think I see them on Wiki Index, so you were probably just belatedly removing them from a temp store while doing something else. Efficiency... Robin Patterson 02:04, 16 May 2006 (EDT)

Wikis for review[edit]

Further up the page. Commenting here in case it's useful. One way to see what hasn't been looked at for a while is Special:AncientPages. (Hmmmm - interesting to see what's the most ancient at this moment!) Robin Patterson 02:04, 16 May 2006 (EDT)

Yes, that is funny! MarkDilley

Phone calls[edit]

I don't do much telephoning, especially if it's something that requires deliberation. And the only really comfortable time would be weekdays from about 5.30pm NZ time (0530 UTC April to October - ie 12.30am EST?, 0630 in "summer") until about an hour later. But I love email: robinp"at" gets me almost instantly when I'm at work and within 24hr if my home PC is working. Robin Patterson 02:04, 16 May 2006 (EDT)

re: Wikipedia[edit]

Well, I did have a specific plan. :-)

No worries. I'm not wedded to my plan.

Okay, here's my thinking:

Wikipedia is really important. It's important in English because it's the biggest wiki and it gets the most press. It's important in general because it's changing the way people conceive of the expert/peon split. Given that, it's really important for us to have all Wikipedias represented here. The red links shown on all wikipedia pages help others see that there's work to be done. It's an invitation of sorts. (As an aside, I believe this technique is useful for all wikis that have seperate language versions of the same thing. Uncyclopedia or something like that is another one I've already started. WikiMedia has other examples.) Anyway, another reason to do it is to emphasize the connections between these different wikipedias. Other wikis aren't bound the way the wikipedias are. They all have the same mission, just different languages, so tying them together tightly on our site is important. I also really like the category:Wikipedia, so even if we go with my template, I'd like to put the category in it.

Any change in your thoughts now that you know there's a reason? peace, TedErnst | talk 08:44, 17 May 2006 (EDT)

wiki engine/wiki farm[edit]

Yes, you're right. I was mixed up. And yet, doesn't a wiki farm page that shows up as a category still end up becoming a sub-category? And isn't that one thing we were trying to avoid with wiki engines? Seems like a parallel issue to me. I dunno. TedErnst | talk 14:12, 19 May 2006 (EDT)

Yep, check it out: Category:Multilingual

add template and new wikis[edit]

Mark, I see you've added the structured data empty boilerplate to the add template. I think this makes it more difficult to go through category first additional as well as the unknown categories. Could we talk about this? Thanks! TedErnst | talk 18:15, 19 May 2006 (EDT)

Hey Ted, remove it if it causing you trouble. I personally think, without seeing your references, that it is a better way to search for new wiki to add, then the category first additional, which as you remember, I tried to get rid of! :-) MarkDilley

I don't mind getting rid of first additional (even if I said otherwise before). Can you say more about the benefits of having the structured date with the add template? TedErnst | talk 21:55, 20 May 2006 (EDT)

Well, before John did the add your wiki button on Community Portal, I don't think it mattered. But with people possibly entering their own wiki, the Add Structured Data box seems to be real helpful for them to figure out what to put where. Just a gut feeling, nothing more, seems to make sense to me. (also, since I was just adding that box anyways, when I added new wikis via this button) MarkDilley

Oh also, seems more natural to look for wiki through the category add wiki, instead of through first/second additional.)

Could we nuke first/second additional right now to simplify this conversation? I'm not going to do it at the moment, but let's just assume it's done.

Okay, cool. Alright. Let's say I'm a new person and I come here and I see that my wiki isn't here. I use John's add a wiki button, the default brings in the structured data, I fill out the form, and we're done, yes? Cool, so far this has nothing to do with the add template, right? Just trying to make sure we're still on the same page. Okay, so with new person adding one wiki, no need to add template, the person does their own structured data. Cool. Now, scenario #2. You, Ray or I find a new wiki or 10 and don't have time or inclination to actually fill in the structured data. We just put the URL in and the add template and we're done. Someone else looking through categories wikis to add sees these wikis need structured data and tehy add it. Cool, right? On the other hand, if the blank (unknowns) structured data is attached to the add template, you or ray or I adds a URL and project unknowns gets stuck with a bunch of new unknowns. So what am I missing? Help me see the benefits? Thanks! TedErnst | talk 02:20, 22 May 2006 (EDT)

Ok, so I add a new wiki through Johns magic wizard. We are ignoring that category first, and second, though they seem similar to me. The template has the add template. I find that useful for two reasons: 1) it has the structured data link on it, I think this may help people while they fill in their page. (much the way we thought category first/second would, and why I pushed for a tag in the form) 2) It adds the page to category wikis to add for folks who are working on those tasks. I am unclear why it is a problem from the view point of category unknown and category first/second. Similar to your questions: what am I missing? Help me see the benefits/problems?

PErhaps we need to wait until we can speak about this. Text is just too slow and cumbersome. I will try one more time, howeverr. :-) I'm a glutton for punishment. Here's how I saw things before this change:
      • WikiProject:Wikis to Add had pages with just a url - they needed everything added, structured data, description, everything - wikis were only in this category as a time-saver b/c ray, mark and ted didn't always want to spend the time to put all the structured data in when they found a new wiki
        • I think of it more as a process, not only because we didn't want to spend the time on it. MarkDilley
          • Sorry, I shouldn't have tried to guess why we didn't fill in the structured data. We each have our own reasons at the time we do it. The reasons don't really matter. What matters is that we do it, and that's not a problem at all, incremental improvements are great! TedErnst | talk 14:02, 22 May 2006 (EDT)
      • Category: UnknownEngine had pages in it where someone had already put in the structured data and the engine is still unknown - this is a 2nd step
      • Category: UnknownEditMode similarly had pages in it where someone had already put in the stuctured data and the edit mode was still unknown for some reason - this is also a 2nd step
I suppose what I'm getting at is that this used to be a 2 step process. Step 1 was putting in the sturctureed data and step 2 was going back to fix any data that was still missing. I get myself in a different frame of mind if I'm just looking for edit modes and don't have to worry about other structured data. I work differently when I'm doing step 1 or step 2. This change that we're discussing seems to have eliminated the 2 step process which makes it harder for me to work in the way I want to work. Is this any clearer? If not, happening tonight? TedErnst | talk 11:29, 22 May 2006 (EDT)

It seems that step 1 needs to be finished before I can grasp what you are saying about the work flow disruption. If the ~47 wikis to add are added, then seeing how it affects step two? I will try to do that today. call tonight seems to be on track, breathing and everything. MarkDilley

I'm not sure that step 1 will ever be finished for long. We're always going to find new wikis. I can definitely see that having the structured data (empty) and the add template together can be helpful for step 1. I have no disagreement there. Let's talk about it tonight to see if we can find a way to not make step 2 more difficult. Until tonight! :-) TedErnst | talk 14:00, 22 May 2006 (EDT)

Ted, you are a rockstar! MarkDilley

Wiki problems[edit]

Wiki Tricks[edit]


Ted is ever vigilent with spelling, as well as we all are/try to be. But there is something to leaving mistakes behind for newbies. For example, I purposefully left the spelling error for someone to fix. Ted got it! Maybe there is a use in leaving minor errors laying around? Other wiki bootstrapping ideas? I love wiki. :-)

I agree that there is no harm in leaving the occasional minor error lying around for newbies to cut their teeth on. Robin Patterson 21:56, 1 June 2006 (EDT)
I am also interested in ideas for how to bootstrap my wiki. But perhaps such discussion would be more on-topic at MeatballWiki or RecentChangesCamp or WikiScience. --DavidCary 22:49, 2 June 2006 (EDT)
David you are right, RecentChangesCamp should have a conversation about those issues. I think it is on topic here though. MarkDilley


You can earn an affiliate bonus if I sign up: - let me know if you're going to do it - I might switch some stuff to them from godaddy 7.95/month for unlimited domains! wow, awesome! TedErnst | talk 20:47, 24 May 2006 (EDT)

Time zones[edit]

What's the equivalent of "10:15pm EST"? Robin Patterson 21:56, 1 June 2006 (EDT)

I have no idea! :-) MarkDilley

Welcome, recent visitors[edit]

See my real page. Robin Patterson 22:12, 1 June 2006 (EDT)


yes, that's a good thing :-) thanks! TedErnst | talk 22:47, 8 June 2006 (EDT)

Status: Building?[edit]

What the heck is that? TedErnst | talk 12:38, 11 June 2006 (EDT)

It is the folksonomy tag that Mike Hammond gave the wiki. I like it because the wiki isn't really active yet, it is in the process of being built. Maybe there is a better word or words for it, but I really like the idea.

I didn't know it was possible to have folksonomy in the structured data. I learn so much from you! Doesn't it need to now be listed as one of our status categoires? TedErnst | talk 13:39, 11 June 2006 (EDT)

I can't help to feel you are poking fun at me, surely in a good natured way! It should be listed in the status category once folks settle with it, but I am not sure folks are settling with it, let's put it on the call tonight to have a chat.

Not poking fun. You saw my reaction to "Building". I changed it to active. You changed it back and I am seeing now that that's how things evolve with wiki. We can't, even if we wanted to, control everything and decide in advance how things are going to work. In some ways it's strange that we have structured data at all. So far I think this is the first example of a structured data category being created by someone other than "us." That's pretty cool if we let it happen. Good stuff. And sorry that it felt like I was poking fun. Your radical inclusiveness is somehow not obvious to me, yet it's definitely where I want to go. TedErnst | talk 12:38, 12 June 2006 (EDT)



It's actually fine to revert while I'm in the middle of this b/c I can just get my version out of history to finish it.

THEN, you can revert for real :-)

TedErnst | talk 10:41, 14 June 2006 (EDT)

Dreams of wiki-indexing / microformats vs StructuredData ?[edit]

Bonjour Mark. Currently a long time I've not been here and not a lot of time to make any french-synchro-translation. I'd be interested to have your opinion on the opportunity/way to bridge some Microformats-wiki with the structured data project ? Completely newbie on the subject, but the perspectives seem to be interesting. -- Christophe Ducamp | <small>talk 07:10, 15 June 2006 (EDT)

delete template and discussion[edit]

Mark, thanks for the note. I definitely agree with you that short conversations, especially about a potential delete, should be on the page itself, rather than the talk page. My edit was just trying to get you what you were trying to get. Glad I succeeded! :-) TedErnst | talk 13:11, 19 June 2006 (EDT)

As usual Ted, you succeeded with elegance. Thank you! Mark


please weigh in - please confirm John's call on consensus or weigh in with whatever other work we still need to do - thanks! TedErnst | talk 16:52, 22 June 2006 (EDT)

Monday meeting[edit]

We'll see. I'll try to make at ;east a few of them. —User:Sean Fennel@ 19:20, 1 July 2006 (EDT)

"click" text smaller[edit]

I'm not sure it can be done. Do we really need the "click"? TedErnst | talk 01:50, 3 July 2006 (EDT)

I think that Ray added the first one, I was fine with it.

I don't have anything invested in that word being there or not. I just don't think there's any way to make it smaller, short of using html instead of the section headings (===).

Me neither, I was just hoping to make it smaller! ;-)

Wiki Representatives[edit]

Hello, I noticed the convo on the welcome talk page, and would like to help (I'm also the person who suggested becoming a directory of websites, not just wikis :P), oh and the admin of PSConclave Wiki, and would like to be the representative, and possibly help you set up this representative system. Elliotgoodrich 15:38, 4 July 2006 (EDT)


Hi, I forgot to put a description on my site (wikipaddle), thanks for doing it for me. I hope my site is ok to include on you wiki. Thanks, George.

Subpages to the extreme example[edit]

Check this out:

Hi! Kirk Kitchen here[edit]

We use a wiki at work for software development. woo woo woo. I'm in Grand Rapids 4 days a week working.

Sorry about that[edit]

didn't mean to jump in while you were still working - need to remember to check timestamps! hope all is well - I won't make it tonight - peace, ted

I didn't mean timestamp by your name/comment; I meant in RC.

Ok, I see now, no worries and sorry for my part in it. Best, Mark


I have no intention of challenging your use of the word weblog instead of blog. I am curious why it means so much to you. You're the only one I know that uses the word weblog and at the same time, the choice of that word seems very important to you, to the point of changing when I write blog into weblog. I will use the word weblog here (though I use it nowhere else). No worries. Just curious. hugs, TedErnst | talk 00:42, 2 August 2006 (EDT)

I tried to comment on your Meatball user page, but the spam filter wouldn't let me save. Here's my message: I'm so impatient! And I'm happy to see your message to Sunir. So I'm working on patience. :-) -- TedErnst
Sorry, I'm still impatient. :-( TedErnst | talk 13:44, 7 August 2006 (EDT)

Well here it goes, some thoughts on the weblog v blog controversy: To me, I started out wanting to merge wiki and blog, I created WikiBlog over at Meatball Wiki - SunirShah mentioned to me that the word blog was a horrible word and we should not use it (this is from memory, folks). I asked him why he thought that and he wrote down a convincing few lines. I can't find the original words. But it went a little something like this: The word blog is an onomatopoeia, and it sounds gross. By googling for blog is an ugly word I found these examples to use. It sits heavy in the mouth, confuses everyone, and conjures up images of some wasting disease or putrid creature, and it’s just a misshapen lump of a word. I am not a fan of Blog is an ugly word but we're stuck with it, it is a wiki, we can decide ourselves! ;-) - I wish to come to agreement to use weblog instead of blog - we would be being true to the orgin of both. It is said that weblog was pulled apart we blog, some people don't like the word wiki, either. I hope this brings up good questions or other ideas. Best, Mark

Thanks, Mark. I'll have to take a look at these links from another connection. My work has every one of them blocked. :-( TedErnst | talk 12:58, 8 August 2006 (EDT)
Mark, these links have some interesting information in terms of choosing a word other than blog. I'm still curious why it matters so much to you. Yes, of course we can choose any words we like. I'm not questioning that at all. I'm just wondering about why it matters so much. Thanks! TedErnst | talk 13:50, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

blog vs. weblog[edit]

No problem at all! --Raymond King | talk 12:46, 2 August 2006 (EDT)

crossing my fingers[edit]

the mean spam filter doesn't get me! recent discussion --Chinarut 01:56, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

promoting our wikia[edit]

Mark - how do we get our various Wikia as promoted on your home page as they hit critical mass? Muppets, World, Psychology and others are pretty cool now! Gil

Thanks mark - I guess I'm thinking of Wikia as 1500 seperate wikis, not one. Because muppets, Dofus, and Psychology have little to do with each other, we would probably index each seperately. I wanted to make sure that would be "okay". Gil

GPMI Wiki is dead (for now)[edit]

Hi, Mark. After over a year without much activity except for my use of it as whip of the SCC, I've taken down the GPMIWiki. If there is demand for a new instance, I'll be happy to help, but there's not much point in having it just hanging out there waiting for spammers to abuse it when nobody is interested in using it for its intended purpose. - David A Spitzley 8/10/06 10:06pm


I thought we decided they were okay, after Ray's presentation about nesting categories? TedErnst | talk 10:56, 15 August 2006 (EDT)

Add and need to clean this damned page up[edit]

RC patrol?[edit]

I didn't know Ray knew how to do it. I've never seen anyone but me do it here. :-) Glad to have you aboard! TedErnst | talk 01:01, 17 August 2006 (EDT)

I think Ray had to learn about it for AboutUs!!! Masisve recent change churn. :-)

Questions in edit summary?[edit]

How do we answer?

is it ok to keep the external link in the structured data box? what does this mean? TedErnst | talk 01:39, 17 August 2006 (EDT)

Idea for signifying that the community is taking care of its page[edit]

We have a badge or something, that says, this site is managed or looked after for by the owner of the wiki being mentioned. This is also applicable for AboutUs.

Also, Ted you are right, I was rushed and asked it in the notes, not a good idea generally.

The point was, do we want to enforece keeping likes to the front page and recent changes to the structured data? Best, Mark


The php script has to be installed by someone with access to the server directory where the wiki resides, so wiki adminship probably isn't enough, I think you have to have ftp access to the server. Dryguy 18:44, 23 August 2006 (EDT)

Great meeting you![edit]

Hi Mark, it was very nice meeting you at the WikiSym konference! I just wanted to let you know that, and thank you again for giving me a short interview, which turned out quite well, in terms of material for the film. You had some key points, and I was happy to see they came across, when I reviewed the material today :-) --Morten Blaabjerg 19:49, 24 August 2006 (EDT)

I'll be sure to keep you posted! :-) I will also keep a keen eye on what is going on in this space. I also checked out Ray's AboutUs site, which I find pretty interesting to say the least! Best wishes, --Morten Blaabjerg 20:36, 24 August 2006 (EDT)

Open Project Development[edit]

(answer to the question on )

Thank you for asking this question. I mean that 'normal' (or common?) wikis are made to store information. This is not for this (or at least, not only for this): it wants to lead people to activity, or let them organize their activity. This wiki is wiki + activity. --Let's 20:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

(my first language is Italian, it's difficult for me to explain it...) --Let's 17:21, 4 September 2006 (EDT)

Now I got a better definition: "This wiki offers (or wants to offer) the possibility for people to do something in the world, and to collaborate through the web". I hope the grammar and so on is right. It would be great to collaborate! If you create an account I'll put the news template on your talk page, in order to let you see the current events of the wiki. Thank you again --Let's 15:39, 6 September 2006 (EDT)

WikiMaas agenda[edit]

Hi Mark. Did you return from Denmark well?

Do you still want me to write something about the WikiMaas agenda for WikiIndex? If yes, can you give a little indication on the length and such? Greetings, Sander (

Wikitravel issue[edit]

Mark, I've been having an interesting discussion with Gil of Wikia about Wikitravel and their competition. Check out his latest answer. TedErnst | talk 10:54, 14 September 2006 (EDT)

Moving pages[edit]

Thanks for the vote of confidence, by moving The Wiki Synergy Project to the main space. A technical point for future reference - using the "move" function (a tab at the top if you're using the normal skin) instead of cutting and pasting, has the advantage of transferring the article history, and updating people's watchlists as well. Thanks --Chris Watkins/Singkong2005 talk 22:37, 23 September 2006 (EDT)

I just realized you're a sysop... perhaps I could ask you to undo the recent changes and then redo it as a "move"? (I don't have the rollback feature that would be needed, as I'm not a sysop.) That would be very helpful in terms of keeping track of who has contributed what to the page.
Btw, could you perhaps add a sentence of explanation about Wikibooks:Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, on the Wiki Synergy Project page? I'm not clear on how this relates to the project - or what other wiki(s) you think might have synergy with this. Thanks again. --Chris Watkins/Singkong2005 talk 22:51, 23 September 2006 (EDT)
Excellent - thanks on both points. --Chris Watkins/Singkong2005 talk 06:54, 24 September 2006 (EDT)

check out this user[edit]

User:JenniferForUnity - see her contributions - awesome energy around the category system TedErnst | talk 15:58, 17 October 2006 (EDT)

Category talk:Blog[edit]

please see: Category talk:Blog

Re: Hello[edit]

Mark wrote here:

"Hi Jennifer, I am at WikiIndex and was wondering if you had seen this: [1]. Looks like you are doing some cool stuff here. Look forward..Best, MarkDilley"

I think one of the most interesting parts of getting involved in net politics has to be how educational it is... I've learned about wikis and communities and policy making and on and on. That's for the link. :-) This feels like a big issue. I'll have to spend some time digesting it I think. (Fun!)
- JenniferForUnity 11:55, 21 October 2006 (EDT)

Visual wiki index[edit]

Hi Mark, please would you have a look on this: Proposal:Visual WikiIndex --Peu 17:17, 24 October 2006 (EDT)

Blog functionality in MediaWiki[edit]

PB Wiki Network[edit]

Contact me[edit]

Mark, thanks for your note. You can contact me wiki at dave jenkins dot com (really). Davejenk1ns 00:44, 11 July 2007 (EDT)


Could you delete my userpage, User:Canderous and the page Canderous? Thanks Canderous 05:16, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

What do you think about external WikiIndex entry points?[edit]

Hi Mark, please have a look on Proposal:WikiIndex Pages on indexed Wikis --Wolf | talk 07:03, 3 October 2007 (EDT)


Hi Mark. There's a new template:sysop that can be used to tag users, which are currently active sysops. I think this will be good, because only sysops have the right to bluck/unblock and if someone feels blocked he needs help. --Wolf | talk 06:43, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

Hi Mark again, if you use the sysop tag, your place the appropriate talk link into your page. Regards --Wolf | talk 03:36, 15 October 2007 (EDT)

Reporting spammers[edit]

Seems to be one of those new kinds of spammers who vandalise (with gibberish) a few times, then link spam a few pages. Probably bears watching. Nathan 22:48, 14 October 2007 (EDT)

I blocked them. Nathan, please add spam reports to our new SysopTalk, so any admin can take care on it. regards --Wolf | talk 02:51, 15 October 2007 (EDT)


Hi Mark. Lots of exciting stuff happening at Appropedia - including connecting with new people and groups. I know you like to see synergy happening, so would be happy to fwd/cc an an email. I have good internet for a few days too, so Skype is possible - I'm Chriswaterguy on that system, and to send an electronic letter, it's the same username with the appropedia and the organizational suffix. Would be good to bounce ideas around. --Chris Watkins a.k.a. Chriswaterguy talk 08:52, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

The timezone...[edit]

Hi Mark, ... template exists now and seem to work properly. Greetings --Wolf | talk 03:21, 23 November 2007 (EST)


Thanks for your interest! Personally, I feel that public transit is a huge part of our society's structure (Even as I write this, a public transit bus has just drove by). Hundreds of cities use public transit systems, all of which have many links, and they all have separate websites. TransWiki allows us, as a society, to bring together all the information about public transit systems into one site, making it easy to access and to allow people how to use their systems more efficiently. :) - Enzo Aquarius 18:47, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Section in "your" list[edit]

Hi Mark, I hope you did'nt make it by hand. The Numbering was for the total amount, but sections are no problem to me. Maybe I'll sort/reformat it from time to time. But I hope the list will be done sometimes. Best regards, Wolf | talk 17:30, 13 March 2008 (EDT)


Hey Mark, you might like to clear this out and yeah try updating to the latest version of MediaWiki (1.12.0.) which is more stable than the previous version..cheers...--Comets 13:37, 24 March 2008 (EDT) Wiki[edit]

Since you contributed to article, wanted you to know of a question at Wiki. --EarthFurst 17:41, 23 April 2008 (EDT)


Hello, Markdilley. Can the KUW (A german Club about Wikis) make a german version of Wikiindex on Wikia? When yes, than please write on my talkpage on Wikia. Thank, you! Gruß, BobaCartman 10:58, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

Hello, MarkDilley. (I want say now, I can't very goog english) I can't do that, because I have two Wikis. My friend JangoCartman want to do that. I planed the URL: I thing (To 100%) it is possibility. Thank you, BobaCartman
Hello, MarkDilley. I'm sendet you this E-Mail. VaderCartman (He, JangoCartman, Klamsy0710 and I have a Club named Confederacy of Independent Wikis) requestet this Wiki, but Wikia wan't make that. Why you can see on the request. Can we make maybe the URL: ?
Gruß, BobaCartman 01:16, 5 July 2008 (EDT)