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what would you think about [[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] as Sysop? At present, he's the [http://www.wikiindex.org/Special:Contributions/MarvelZuvembie most active user] and seems to be interested in sysop-stuff. Best --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 03:09, 21 October 2008 (EDT) | what would you think about [[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] as Sysop? At present, he's the [http://www.wikiindex.org/Special:Contributions/MarvelZuvembie most active user] and seems to be interested in sysop-stuff. Best --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 03:09, 21 October 2008 (EDT) | ||
:I'm Snuffleupagus! ''[makes furnace noises through snuffle]'' f-f-f-f-f-f ''[in a normal voice]'' Get out of bed! ''[pokes Mark with snuffle, Mark jumps out of bed]'' --[[User:Snuffleupagus|Snuffleupagus]] 12:06, 4 November 2008 (EST) | :I'm Snuffleupagus! ''[makes furnace noises through snuffle]'' f-f-f-f-f-f ''[in a normal voice]'' Get out of bed! ''[pokes Mark with snuffle, Mark jumps out of bed]'' --[[User:Snuffleupagus|Snuffleupagus]] 12:06, 4 November 2008 (EST) | ||
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+ | == Conservaèdia == | ||
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+ | Hello, I have a question: Are wiki-index articles supposed to be filled with hateful criticism of the wikis? It is weird, but the '''only wiki in the whole wiki-index with a criticism section is Conservapedia'''. And it takes most of the article! I think it should be only an index. Do not you think? People of RationalWiki (Guilk, Proxima Centauri, Ellasint) should not be the ones who edit that article! | ||
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+ | In every other single article of this wikiindex, the editors of the article on a wiki are its administrators or people involved with the wiki directly. Except Conservapedia. It does not deserve it because it is christian! Liberals talk a lot about discrimination but they are the most discriminating anyone would ever find. | ||
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+ | It is really discriminating, I ask you please to intervene and let the CP's people to manage their own entry. I am not a conservapedian, I am not really interested on managing that entry, I just think it is not fair at all. Wiki-index should not be a place where to '''push''' personal agendas. | ||
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+ | Summary: | ||
+ | * Conservapedia is the '''only wiki''' in the whole wikiindex that has a criticism section <- '''Discrimination''' | ||
+ | * Rationalwiki editors are the one who edit the entry and '''revert most other people's edits''' <- '''Discrimination''' | ||
+ | * Conservapedia is the '''only wiki''' in the whole wikiindex whose own editors are let to manage the article on their wiki. <- '''Discrimination''' | ||
+ | * Guilk has menaced with adding more criticism. <- '''Harassment''' | ||
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+ | I think it should be enough with a sentence like "This site only accepts contributions from a biblic christian point of view, any other kind of contributions can lead to a block of the user" to explain users the likes of being blocked there | ||
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+ | I hope you can intervene. This whole thing is sick and discriminating | ||
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+ | The neutrality of this beautiful wiki-index is being risked[[User:Eros of Fire|Eros of Fire]] 08:10, 19 November 2008 (EST) |
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Table of contents
- 1 I'll second that thanks...
- 2 Thanks!
- 3 Notification on users talk page only
- 4 Testing Notification for Message on Talk Page
- 5 Link to yourself automatically using tildas
- 6 Category Sorting
- 7 Categories at the top?
- 8 table of contents
- 9 category thing
- 10 Work in Progress
- 11 altorgwiki
- 12 redirects for alternate names
- 13 WikiSym
- 14 Wikified Link
- 15 edit link in box
- 16 a question about the faq
- 17 duplicated
- 18 SwitchWiki
- 19 Special:Emailuser
- 20 InterMapTxt
- 21 Meta:Editing
- 22 about tags
- 23 Folksonomy/Tags/Categories
- 24 nvc communication
- 25 Back channel communication rather than wiki for real time
- 26 my new signature
- 27 TagCloud
- 28 Shortcuts
- 29 Recursive Nature of Wiki
- 30 nested boxes
- 31 greetings
- 32 immediate active collaboration
- 33 ongoing collaboration
- 34 about us
- 35 news
- 36 references
- 37 note
- 38 Discussion
- 39 Recent Changes
- 40 Mission statement for the website
- 41 Ground Level, The Wiki Way
- 42 community building system for wiki
- 43 re: Namespaces
- 44 movie recommendation
- 45 list of biggest wiki
- 46 recursive
- 47 WikiProtocal
- 48 edit mode
- 49 collapsing work in progress
- 50 Versioning
- 51 move page feature
- 52 Next WikiIndex banner?
- 53 Cool idea at da'pedia
- 54 Re: Deleted Redirects
- 55 Wikis to Add
- 56 navel gazing
- 57 Shock Level 4
- 58 logos
- 59 how do you track actvitiy on wikis you care about?
- 60 language note
- 61 Trade off between reading and writing
- 62 RecentChangesPatrol
- 63 wikis for review
- 64 delete procedure
- 65 RealNames
- 66 good idea
- 67 LocalNames
- 68 Thanks
- 69 for the how to tread lightly on newbies page
- 70 edit war
- 71 quantum
- 72 Hello Mark
- 73 names
- 74 UseMod
- 75 re: wikipedia
- 76 Regarding Wiki Guitar
- 77 re: deletion
- 78 Thanks Mark
- 79 real names
- 80 Did you chop more than you meant to?
- 81 Wikis for review
- 82 Phone calls
- 83 re: Wikipedia
- 84 wiki engine/wiki farm
- 85 add template and new wikis
- 86 Wiki problems
- 87 Wiki Tricks
- 88 dreamhost
- 89 Time zones
- 90 Welcome, recent visitors
- 91 softie!
- 92 Status: Building?
- 93 hahaha
- 94 dreams of wiki-indexing / microformats vs StructuredData ?
- 95 delete template and discussion
- 96 Talk:ThisWiki:Copyright
- 97 Monday meeting
- 98 "click" text smaller
- 99 Wiki Representatives
- 100 Thanks
- 101 subpages to the extreme example
- 102 Hi! KirkKitchen here
- 103 sorry about that
- 104 words
- 105 blog vs. weblog
- 106 crossing my fingers
- 107 promoting our wikia
- 108 GPMI Wiki is dead (for now)
- 109 sub-categories
- 110 add and need to clean this damned page up
- 111 RC patrol?
- 112 questions in edit summary?
- 113 idea for signifying that the community is taking care of its page.
- 114 Sitemap
- 115 Great meeting you!
- 116 Open Project Development
- 117 WikiMaas agenda
- 118 wikitravel issue
- 119 Moving pages
- 120 check out this user
- 121 Category talk:Blog
- 122 Re: Hello
- 123 visual wiki index
- 124 blog functionality in media wiki
- 125 PB Wiki Network
- 126 contact me
- 127 request
- 128 What do you think about external wikiindex entry points?
- 129 Sysop-tag
- 130 Reporting spammers
- 131 Synergy
- 132 the timezone...
- 133 TransWiki
- 134 Section in "your" list
- 135 Hey
- 136 politics.ie wiki
- 137 Wikia
- 138 Cool, thanks!
- 139 Vandal
- 140 Problem user
- 141 Lost Password and no Email Addy Registered
- 142 A new sysop?
- 143 Conservaèdia
I'll second that thanks...
...For the welcome hello. Have a nice day!! Clarissa Caldwell 18:55, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
Thanks!
Thanks for adding WikiLens. I'm curious how to found it. Of course, since that was in 2006, you may not remember. Dfrankow 12:17, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
Notification on users talk page only
People's "talk" pages alert them to messages. Their user pages don't. Best wishes! Robin Patterson 00:46, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
Thank you for the tip Robin! - Need to write something up about that function. TalkPagesForWikiPeople - best, mark
Testing Notification for Message on Talk Page
Does it work? did you get the notification? TedErnst 16:35, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
When I first signed up for wikipedia, I was TedErnst, but then somehow couldn't get signed in again using that name so became Tedernst and started editing without realizing what was up. Now I'm attached to it. Then, since this is also mediawiki, I stuck with the strange name. I'll fix it out. Thanks!
And you can welcome Tristan by editing the talk page (not the user page directly), which is considered fine etiquete at mediawikis, as far as I know. TedErnst 16:49, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
- Mark, I'm okay with whatever is going to happen here and don't need it to look any way, so please know that I love you very much and all my suggestions are just that, suggestions. I'm here to help. :-)
- That said, Mediawiki has some really cool features that I think will be useful to use. Notice how MarkDilley and User: MarkDilley are two different pages? One is an article and the other is a user. I believe it'll be cleaner to not have any people in the article namespace, the space that you want to be full of wikis. When you make a comment that you'd like signed, you don't have to link to anything, you can just type 4 tildes, and it'll expand out with the datestamp and a link to your user page. TedErnst 16:34, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
- Ted I do not know how to redirect my page MarkDilley to user:MarkDilley, please do that if you can. I want the simplicity of wiking my name.
- Oh, and I just remembered, media wiki also has a talk page connected with every other page, in every namespace. So if I want to leave a comment for you, I don't leave it on your user page, but on your talk page: User talk: MarkDilley and you'll get a notification (I'm pretty sure) that you have a new message. TedErnst 16:34, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
- An admin can do it. First, an admin has to delete the page "User:MarkDilley" because it was nothing but a redirect. Then any registered user can move "MarkDilley" page to "User:MarkDilley".
So Tristam, I just MarkDilley and it goes to my user name or my article name?
- On wikipedia it's really important to preserve edit histories because of the GPL licence. We don't have that issue here with the CC license, correct? So a cut and paste move isn't a problem here the way it is there? TedErnst
- The purpose of moving pages with the move function is to keep the edit history for attributing the page authors. The licence of WikiIndex also requires to attribute the author properly, so the move function is still important.
Link to yourself automatically using tildas
Just sign your contributions with 4 tildes "~~~~" and you won't need to remember how to link to yourself. TedErnst 17:13, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
- Yea, I just don't like the time date stamp, so I don't do that. It is not in my wiki nature :-)
- If you don't like the time stamp, you can use three tildes instead.
Okay, well, we're going to have to decide the namespace issue. I just noticed that John Stanton has his page in the article space as well. Where can we have that conversation? TedErnst 17:22, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
It is cleaner to have the name of Wiki People have article pages. Thanks for the tild example! MarkDilley
- Mark, you're sounding very dogmatic. Things should be this way because they should be this way. I'm not so sure things are so cut and dried automatically better one way over the other. And if you're not interested in using the features of media wiki, perhaps another engine would be a better choice? TedErnst 00:59, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)
Actualy Ted, it sounds to me as you are the one being dogmatic. We must do this because that is what the wiki software is capable of. I think that individual choice works for me here. I am not forcing anyone else to do it any other way. :-) Hugs back - MarkDilley
- I like the namespaces because of what they give you. They are unique in my experience to media wiki. I like them not because they exist here, but because they are useful. You seem to not like them only because you haven't used them. Or maybe there's some other reason? I don't know because your answers feel so absolutist to me. I'm not trying to run your project. I'm here to help. Believe me, I'll do my best to help this project succeed, however you set it up. I'm just hoping to do it in the way that makes the most sense for those doing most of the work. That might not be me and thus I shouldn't have all that much say. It's just that you might not have experienced some of the features you're poo pooing. No worries. I'll get down to work presently. TedErnst 01:12, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)
I don't think I am poo pooing any ideas. MarkDilley
Category Sorting
[[Category:Wiki People|TedErnst]]
The purpose of this code is not to show up and differently on Tristram's page, it's to sort the name properly on the category page. Otherwise, we'd all end up in the U section, if we're using namespaces. If we're not using namespaces, then we could use that code to sort by last name, if we wanted to.
[[Category:Wiki People|Dilley, Mark]] learning how to collaborate with people Wiki is hard
Categories at the top?
Why? TedErnst
- It is a standard that ICANN wiki used, that we all liked, and the added bonus is that the categories sort before the template categories, giving the first ones more relevance with a folksonomy.
Okay, Hopefully I won't hate it too much. TedErnst
- You wrote: "also, the standard we are trying to set is categories at the top of the page." They recommend the opposite in Wikipedia because the newbies may get confused when they see odd-looking category descriptions instead of normal text, when they start to edit a page. There used to be problems with search engines, they showed categories before the normal text in their page summaries. However, I don't know if the search engine problem is occuring any more. Tristram Shandy
Personally, I think that is not a problem with this wiki for three reasons:
- The wiki is for other wikis, so one assumes that other contributors are not newbies.
- If we do get a newbie checking out the inside, the data is structured and I think they would be able to figure it out quickly.
- I think categorys in wiki are pretty valuable and exciting things to start to be able to understand, so it is kinda cool to have them smack dab in the front. My 2 cents. :-) MarkDilley
- Why do you want the extra added categories to be listed before the ones in teh box? Shouldn't the ones in the box be the most important? TedErnst 00:58, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)
The categories at the bottom are already redundant once, some may say twice because of the sidebar links. So adding the Folksonomy Categories in the front helps the richness of the site. I like that they are redundant at the bottom, but I think they are less valuable because they are the highlighted ones in the templete. Also, while this is a MediaWiki, it is not Wikipedia. Best, MarkDilley :-)
- I don't understand anything of what you're saying here. Redundant once how? Redundant twice how? What's a Folksonomy Category? How do the sidebar links come into play? And does the wikipedia comment come from my other comment? Of course it's not wikipedia. That's why I wonder why we're using wikimedia engine if it's clear that its features are not what you're looking for in building this project. TedErnst 01:09, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)
Look at the categories in the template box, now look at the categories at the bottom of the page, they are the same. A folksonomy is when people come along and say, hey this is a category art wiki, so they add it into the non structured data area of the wiki page. Test for yourself, add the non structured category data at the top, save, see what is looks like, now move it to the bottom and see how it changes to the back. I think those categorys are good to be redundant from the template in the page, but not really necessary to be in the front.
table of contents
Any time there are 3 or more (I think) headings on a page, the TOC pops up just before the first of them. Often there is introductory text before the first heading, so that ends up before the TOC. You can force NOTOC somehow, and you can also force TOCright, where the text will then wrap around. We'll have to figure those out. TedErnst 01:01, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)
Using __TOC__ will insert the table of contents at the current position instead of the default. __NOTOC__ will turn it off altogether. There is also a code which will turn off the "[edit] section" links.
category thing
John thinks it gets lost on the bottom, so he likes to see it there also. So I only say that if you're going to put extra categories in the "body" area, then put both commands in the same place so people can see what's been done and copy that if they like it that way.
- Ok, I think that is fine, I think as a standard, people will get used to it being next to the category tag at the bottom. MarkDilley
Work in Progress
what exactly is the 'check name' field for? --Ray 23:11, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)
Is the name of the wiki page the same as the name of the wiki, I have found several that aren't
Really? Such as... what?
- I think, for the most part, we have moved many wiki that were in this category to their "proper" namespace. Our policy is to have the WikiIndex page match exactly. (The case of disambiguous pages messes with that, but for now, for those pages that is our best option. ) MarkDilley
Back in January, we had an explict wiki_name field in the structured data. Sometimes this field did not match the WikiIndex PageName for that wiki. To avoid this kind of redundant data-entry, and ensure these fields were always the same, we changed the structured data. It didn't occur to me until Mark just pointed it out that this new scheme breaks down for wikis with ambiguous page names because we usedisambiguation, which means the WikiIndex page name is by-definition not the same as the name of the wiki. We can either ignore this or create a new wiki template for ambiguous pages. Thoughts? TedErnst | talk 12:32, 5 June 2006 (EDT)
The only idea I had for ambiguous pages was to have X number of templates there for each wiki. That doesn't scale very well! Otherwise I was just going to sit on it, until someone comes up with a better idea than yours! ;-) MarkDilley
altorgwiki
mostly bad porn, but worse it's riddled with spam links and the like. i didn't think it added any value and thougth it might offend some. feel free to put it back in if you think otherwise.
- yea i found it, altorgphpwiki. spam porn links... should we remove others that are porn spam links?
redirects for alternate names
Mark,
When someone comes here, they don't know if their intended wiki is already here. So they type the name in the box and if they don't have it exactly the same, it'll say "not found, would you like to start it?" For this reason, I believe we should not delete any redirects from alternative names, because these increase the liklihood that a person will find the wiki they're looking for and therefore not create a new page for it when one already exists. So save yourself some work and stop deleting redirects! :-) Just an opinion, not a decree.
hugs, TedErnst
I think that people will type in their wiki name exactly as it is, if it is not there, then they should add it. I am not so sure that alternate names are important. By the way, I added most of these wiki to SwitchWiki and I think I added the wiki to many of them. So I am comfortable deleting the wrong name. :-) MarkDilley
Will they type Meatball or MeatBall or MeatBallWiki or meetballwiki? I just don't see the benefit of deleting a harmless redirect. It's more work for you to delete, and possibly more work later when someone creates an article that alrready exists. This may be just a huge big in mediawiki that won't let you find a page without having the name exactly right, but it causes amazing problems at wikipedia. I've done it myself, created articles that already existed. The redirects left over once all this is fixed each time means the next person to make the same mistake won't make the same mistake! TedErnst
The problem I see is that this solution, not eliminating redirects, causes redundancy in the alphabetical listing. MarkDilley
Now you've lost me. The redirects shouldn't have any category information and thus shouldn't show up in any lists. That sounds like a bug to me if you are seeing duplicates. Have you asked John about it? Crap. TedErnst
Nope I haven't ask John yet, you are just now bringing up the issue! ;-) I don't think it is a bug because it is base on article pagename, not categories... but alphabetical stuff... unless it is something that needs to populate the page database and in a few hours won't be a problem. I will check a few later to see. MarkDilley
Okay, I'll leave it alone. Perhaps I'm wrong with my assertion "People will re-create pages that will then need to be deleted, over and over again." In fact, I must be wrong. Traffic here will not be that high, and will be primarily, if not exclusively wiki people. I'm overthinking and planning for the newbie. So just ignore me. I'm going to bed! :-) TedErnst
Also Ted, If people create them in the future, then maybe we should do a redirect. But for the launch of this wiki, I want as few redirects as possible. I have however kept a couple that I think are close, similarly to the Meatball scenario you layed out. It is wiki! :-) Best, MarkDilley
WikiSym
I think it would be good to get together at rcc to talk about this project and figure out what we want to say about it at rcc and at WikiSym
Wikified Link
Until we can get a LocalName system here, I think we should standardize external links to other wikis. exp: MeatballWiki:MarkDilley
- isn't there a system of connecting that we could do fairly easily within wiki... I will check MeatballWiki MarkDilley
edit link in box
I figured out a different way to do it. User talk:TedErnst/articlewithtemplatetest uses User:TedErnst/templatetest as it's template. I'm pretty happy with it now. Does it suck? You threw me for a loop there by commenting in the template. I couldn't figure out how you commented on the page without it showing up in the history, but it was just included from the template. Pretty sneaky! TedErnst 15:39, 21 Jan 2006 (EST)
- Yes, my intention was to sneakily weird you out! :-) MarkDilley let me go figure out what you are up to. Are you doing this now? Maybe we can hang and skype while we work? MarkDilley
a question about the faq
WikiIndex:FrequentlyAskedQuestions - what it the purpose of the questions being links? TedErnst 15:55, 21 Jan 2006 (EST)
I see it as a way to build a useful faq. I am imagining someone typing a question in the search box, and hopefully getting a direct hit to their question. MarkDilley
duplicated
Ha, this is funny! Category:FAQ - there's a duplicate there! - my bad - not sure how to fix it - it's your question mark bug
SwitchWiki
I think I want switchwiki.com to point here. Then I want SwitchWiki in red and black, instead of IndexWiki. I think we should capitalize on the name recognition that SwitchWiki has.
Special:Emailuser
Hi Mark. Special:Emailuser is missing from this wiki. You might find it useful to enable it since this is the sort of wiki a lot of people might edit and then not check back for messages for a long time, so emailing them could be the only way of contacting them.
Mark, I think this functionality is only available in MediaWiki version 1.5.x this wiki is still at version 1.4.5. I have not yet upgraded to version 1.5.x because there are issues with servers that run multi wikis (we have about 40 wikis that run on the same server) the issues may just be my own lack of knowledge but I have not yet been able to install a version 1.5.x MediaWiki and have it play well with the other wikis :-). When I can set aside enough time to really explore and solve the issues I'll start the conversion process for all 40 wikis.
InterMapTxt
This is what is on MeatballWiki and other wikis so they can have LocalNames for easy linking between wiki.
Meta:Editing
- MediaWiki editing info: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing
about tags
I totally get what you're saying about the heading that ends the document (folks/tags/categories). This is different from what John implimented in the template to copy for a new wiki. I improved (I thought) his idea by making the template. He had it set up to show up on the page, and thus be redundant, like you've said. I recall asking about this and got an answer I thought made sense, so I improved his idea by cutting down on syntax. Now I totally get what you're saying AND I think we definitely need to document your idea and make sure John and Ray are on board because your idea hasn't been done before, as far as I know. If this conversation has already happened, please point me that way? Thanks! TedErnst 21:26, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)
- All I'm saying this this is a decision that's not been made yet. I found your FAQ page about tags and I commented on it's talk page. Need to get agreement among you, John and Ray about how this is going to work. Then we document the decision made and clean up after ourselves. I can help with that part. TedErnst 21:34, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)
Sure, I can be part of the agreement. I left myself out because your idea excites me and rubs me the wrong way, probably just because it's unfamiliar to me. And since you and John both made steps on this topic in the last few days, I thought maybe it was better for me to let the two of you work out the solution.
One potential problem to consider, at least on talk pages, is the mediawiki feature of the plus sign at the top of the page. This allows someone to add a comment in a new section at the bottom of the page automatically without having to edit the whole page. This new section will be below your footer, unless you get John to hard-code the footer. TedErnst 12:00, 23 Jan 2006 (EST)
Bravo! I think the tag template is a brilliant way to allow people to add a new category to an article easily and have it display on both the article and the category area on the bottom. Mark pointed out to me last night that it might be even better for the template not to automatically bullet the text because that way we could also embed the tag into a paragraph. That makes sense to me because then we could use it that way, or bullet it if we wanted to with an asterisk as usual. I think this also solves the problem of having to make a large heading (folksonomy, tagging, caregories) and have it appear near the bottom of the page. --Ray 12:12, 23 Jan 2006 (EST)
- Ray, when I first made the tag template, it did not have a bullet. John then changed it to include the bullet because he said it was messing up the formatting otherwise. Perhaps we need two templates? tagb and tag, one having the bullet and the other not? TedErnst 12:17, 23 Jan 2006 (EST) Yes, good solution --Ray 15:35, 23 Jan 2006 (EST)
Also, I'm not quite getting what Mark wants from the folks/tag/cat footer. There's already a footer with the categories right below this, labeled "categories." Could that text just be chagned to include folks and tag and be bold? Would that make everyone happy? Then we could use either categories or the tag template (without the bullet) in the body and everything would show up neat and clean? TedErnst 12:17, 23 Jan 2006 (EST)
- I think we're close to being on the same page, when Mark put in the "folks/tag/cat" heading we didn't have the benefit of the tag you created. So as far as i'm concerned, if we have the tag and tagb commands, we don't even need any extra headers/footers. --Ray 15:35, 23 Jan 2006 (EST)
ExpericencedInteractionWithInexperience
Folksonomy/Tags/Categories
nvc communication
Yes, and instead of No, but or Yes, but to help communicate ideas of growing and buidling collectively and collaboratevely
Back channel communication rather than wiki for real time
- I am going to be on irc.freenode.net #wikiindex
- I also am available for IM and possibly voice chat on skype - "MarkDilley" - Best, Mark
- Raymond King
- MSN - ray@snapnames.com
- Skype - Rathbone
- and I will get on IRC as much as possible
my new signature
I figured out a way to have my signature not point to my user page and to have it point directly to my talk page. If there's interest, I'll document this. TedErnst | talk 13:54, 24 Jan 2006 (EST)
- Ted that is awesome, could you document it please! Best, MarkDilley
Test it out to see if it's clear? New page for yourself#Step 5 - Create your signature. I also put in a new step 4 for creating redirects. TedErnst | talk 15:37, 24 Jan 2006 (EST)
test, [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley | talk]] --- ??? what am I doing wrong? MarkDilley
[[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley | talk]]
I think that is it, MarkDilley | talk
- Yup, that's it! Excellent!
Except the talk isn't working, frump! :-)
- I'll bet it is. Mediawiki doesn't self-link so since we're on your talk page, no link. Try it on my talk page and I'll be it works. TedErnst | talk 16:11, 25 Jan 2006 (EST)
Glad you like it! TedErnst | talk 16:16, 25 Jan 2006 (EST)
TagCloud
This would be a good page to have for people. http://www.tagcloud.com/ pulling off of the rss feed. nice.
ParkingLot:
- Folksomonmy/Tags/Categories discussion - redundancy is still an issue, but not for thougth now.
Shortcuts
In the search box, type these in to get to a frequently used page quickly.
Recursive Nature of Wiki
MarkDilley is trying to figure out how this recursive nature of wiki will be best utilized. So far this CategoryWiki along with PhpWiki are examples of an idea I am trying to groke.
Go here for a clean page of Wikicities, or rather follow the redirect twice to get back to this page to see what I want to happen, and it should say "Wikis" instead of articles. Best, MarkDilley
- So here's another place where namespaces are useful, or could be. I believe you want everything that's currently in the main namespace to be a wiki, correct? So this page, RecursiveNatureOfWiki, really doesn't belong here. I'm not sure what you're getting at with the concept, but I think it goes in the WikiIndex namespace (WikiIndex: RecursiveNatureOfWiki). Mind if I move it? Or you can. Just use the move link above. TedErnst 16:29, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
Actually I do mind that you move it, because it is what I mean. ;-) The idea is that I want the MediaWiki wiki to be at the top of Category MediaWiki, so that all the other media wikis are below it. does that make sense? John Stanton knows what I am trying to get at, and he is thinking of it from a programmers percpective. John, can you add anything?
- Sure, I won't move it. I don't understand why the pagename and namespace are so important to you. No worries. Here's a wikipedia category for Chicago Transit Authority. There's also an article for Chicago Transit Authority, linked right from the top. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Chicago_Transit_Authority Is this at all related to what you're talking about? TedErnst 13:42, 21 Jan 2006 (EST)
We might need to talk about it, or me show you an example. What I want is Wikicities to be a page name and a category, because it is both. The wiki Wikicities at the top and a category list at the bottom of all the wikis using that engine. MarkDilley
- Interesting idea. A simpler way to accomplish this, not nearly as slick visually but also not requiring any programing would be to have Wikicities be a disambiguation page with two links, one to the Wikicities wiki page and the oter to category wikicities. We could impliment that immediately without bothing John for code. It doesn't give you what you want, but maybe it's in the right direction? TedErnst 15:53, 21 Jan 2006 (EST)
On Namespace of course we want wiki's as the main types of articles, but if there's another article (like this one for example) that's in the main namespace, so long as it doesn't collide with a wiki, it think it's fine because it won't junk up the categories if we don't categorize it to anything. Am I missing something? --Ray 00:01, 23 Jan 2006 (EST)
For future reference, here are links to Template:Wiki Engine and Template:Wiki Engine boilerplate. Just didn't want them to get lost, in case we decide to go back to them. TedErnst | talk 02:59, 11 Mar 2006 (EST)
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DiscussionWhat do folks think about Front door as an alternate to Community portal.
Recent ChangesHelp:Recent changes and point it to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Recent_changes, thus utilizing wikis that are already documented. Do one for tags and other browse functions. Recursive Nature of Wiki example. Having recent changes be more consisted with the site, i.e. template with a wiki on it? Or have it point to the meta wiki media. or both. Mission statement for the websitehttp://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?MissionStatement Starting point suggestions: Ground Level, The Wiki Way1 - To build community amoung people who are using wikis to self organize information that is of interest to them. 2 - By helping to build that community, the WikiIndex will become more accurate and more of a WikiNode for other information types. 3 - NonViolentCommunication skills be thought of a standard for this type of communication. 4 - Think about how the ExperiencedInteractionWithInexperience dynamic plays out in real life and online. 5 - The current few months of this wiki development is in brainstorm mode. MarkDilley, Raymond King started off the brainstorming for the wiki, by deciding on a set template for the pages and a vision to get them filled in with a strong data set. Then to start working on processes and the such after that. 6 - All edits are SuggestedEdits. If a dispute occurs, such as an EditWar, people can rely on their creative energies to come up with solutions, for example Versioning.
community building system for wikiSo I have this idea for a Community Page that would be something like WhatILearnedOnWikiToday which is just stories on a wiki page, like a weblog, reverse dated, pile the next one on top. I think it would be a way to share what we learn about, with and from wiki. I asked my housemate to type in switchwiki into the address bar. WorldWideWiki:SwitchWiki hit first. He then made from the world wide wiki site to the WikiIndex. He sat back and was amazed at the front page, so many choices, I sat back and went, hmmm, does the front page look to complex? wouldn't it be nice to just have a search button in the center like google. but at this site, you can edit your search page if you want..? Interesting idea I had, but the real issue is we just need to think how we want to be presented to people. Anyway, I asked him to pick a site, he chose one that had 'Hard Wiki on it and he went there. After stumbling around a bit he clicked on the photo, remarked postively after visiting the CreativeCommons site. Then asked how to get to the wiki, I said it was easy. He then found it and went to HardWiki and I thought the FrontPage was nice. News on the right, community edited news. (RecentChanges.Info maybe here on the wiki, similar to what CommunityWiki is doing. He found a news article that linked to google video, and then he started to surf it. Like I enjoy surfing wiki. re: NamespacesYes, MediaWiki has them pre-installed. I'm satisfied with our resolutions Namespace Conventions. TedErnst | talk 15:24, 7 Feb 2006 (EST) movie recommendationI watched this on my laptop on the plane home from Seattle. http://www.archive.org/details/salt_of_the_earth Totally awesome labor movie from the 50s. Check it out if you haven't already. TedErnst | talk 15:26, 7 Feb 2006 (EST) list of biggest wikihttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_wikis and on MeatballWiki recursiveUseModWiki isn't going to show up in the OpenEdit cat anymore, correct? Doesn't seem right. TedErnst | talk 14:07, 14 Feb 2006 (EST)
WikiProtocalfyi http://b2b.wikis.com/wc.dll?b2b~WikiProtocol TedErnst | talk 15:36, 18 Feb 2006 (EST) edit modecheck back in at Category talk:Wiki Edit Mode? Thanks! TedErnst | talk 23:39, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)
collapsing work in progressyes, that was a good idea --Raymond King | talk 03:34, 23 Feb 2006 (EST) VersioningSee the idea of Versioning as a way to deal with the phenomenon of competition and ego for our own ideas on the very first page. By creating "unlimited" variants, people may more freely explore and express their ideas to express and thoughts. We could use self organized controls, such as #redirect and ExpiresOn categories to deal with clutter. I really don't think we are going to be overwhelmed with traffic to be able to at least do this for a few months. What would the WikiWay do? MarkDilley So I have made a couple versions as expamles:
versioning discussionI was nervous about putting this out here, so I asked JohnAbbe about it and then he missed my irc chat and I could wait to just do it. So he just came back to my question:
Thanks John! and IRC! The other nice thing about the ":" in the middle fo the wiki words is that when I type in MarkDilley and hit enter a pages comes up with everything of mine. sweeet!! :-) Mark, I'm not getting you. Are you saying that one way to introduce changes that I'm not sure are non-controversial is to make a "temp" page for the purpose, get comments, and then copy/paste that temp page to the real location? Or am I totally missing it? TedErnst 13:52, 24 Jan 2006 (EST)
Yes, I do think it will work. It's a bit less efficient than just editing the page directly, though it has the huge advantage of being less likely of stepping on people, so it's easier for people to work together (emotionally easier, technically it's a bit harder because of having to look multiple places, although...) ...A suggestion would be to simply use the talk page of the page in question! TedErnst | talk 15:19, 24 Jan 2006 (EST)
I was cleaning up an old page called "Versioning" and placeing it in my talk space. There are many benifits to the idea of "Versioning" but I don't think it needs to be figured out now, infact I don't have the energy to figure it out now! :-) Best, MarkDilley | talk
weblog posthttp://celeryjuice.net/04/04/2006/wiki/ move page featureMark, you know about that feature, yes? I noticed you cut and pasted info from my spam page to the new opt out page and then marked the spam page for deletion. If you had just moved the spam page to the opt out page there would be an automatic redirect created and no deletion would be necessary. What do you think? TedErnst | talk 17:50, 3 Mar 2006 (EST)
No worries. I find it a very cool feature and just wanted to make sure you knew about it. I really like that anyone can use it, not just admin! And it preserves the edit history, in case anyone cares about that :-) TedErnst | talk 02:00, 4 Mar 2006 (EST)
Next WikiIndex banner?banner - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2006_Call_for_Participation Cool idea at da'pediahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Film Re: Deleted RedirectsWe talked about this a month or so ago. I'm not a fan of deleting redirects, unless they're defamatory or harmful to the project (like my spam one). I really, really hate the case-sensitivity of Media Wiki and re-directs are one way to make that less of a problem. I humbly request that you save us both some time by not deleting them, or of course, I'm open to more conversation if you like. TedErnst | talk 12:37, 6 Mar 2006 (EST)
Wikis to AddAwesome work creating all those pages! This will save a lot of time, not having to create the pages or figure out the name of the wiki. Excellent! TedErnst | talk 12:37, 6 Mar 2006 (EST) http://www.alexa.com/data/details/main?q=&url=wikiindex.com Shock Level 4http://wikiindex.com/Sl4Wiki TedErnst | talk 16:21, 6 Mar 2006 (EST) logosI haven't done much with logos or images of any kind on MediaWiki, but I thought there was a way to upload an image with the same name as a previous image, and it would replace it, just like wiki text. That way, you wouldn't have to change the template in our site with the new name. Did I dream this up? TedErnst | talk 16:36, 6 Mar 2006 (EST)
Ah, I hadn't thought of the fact that we might not be re-naming logos. Cool. Carry on! :-) TedErnst | talk 17:03, 6 Mar 2006 (EST) how do you track actvitiy on wikis you care about?I noticed you commented on a new person at wikisym today. How do you track the wikis you care about? I'm using http://www.communitywiki.org/en/RecentChangesPersonalizedTedErnst. TedErnst | talk 17:06, 8 Mar 2006 (EST)
You seem to have lost your cookie. Anyway, holy shit, you follow a lot of feeds! How much of that do you actually read? TedErnst | talk 23:21, 8 Mar 2006 (EST) language notehttp://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php/Anarchopedia:Community_Portal Trade off between reading and writinghttp://www.nooranch.com/synaesmedia/wiki/wiki.cgi?TradeOffBetweenReadingAndWriting RecentChangesPatrolexcellent! sorry for reverting you - I couldn't figure out what you were doing - now I see it and of course it's much better than it was before - great work! TedErnst | talk 13:31, 10 Mar 2006 (EST) wikis for reviewDo we have a way to mark wikis for review? If not, remind me to create something, will you? In the meantime, take a look at GreenCheese, okay? comment going to both Mark and Ray -- TedErnst | talk 17:21, 10 Mar 2006 (EST) delete procedurePlease see WikiIndex talk:Deleting pages. Thanks! TedErnst | talk 02:30, 11 Mar 2006 (EST) RealNamesI know you're busy. No hurry. When you get a chance, could you look in on the RealNames discussion page? Thanks! TedErnst | talk 14:14, 16 Mar 2006 (EST) good ideahttp://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Beer_parlour - maybe go hang out at the BeachByTheOcean
LocalNamesI think that what you are calling LocalNames is what the MediaWiki software refers to as an interwiki or intermap link. I can, for example, user the WikiPedia:User talk:BlankVerse link on every wiki using the MediaWiki software and that will link to my user page on the English-language Wikipedia. I haven't been able to find where the WikiIndex keeps its interwiki map, but it it must have one for that last link to work. The interwiki map for all of the Wikimedia Foundation projects is at [1] and the Usemod/MeatballWiki map is at [2]. Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InterWiki and http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?InterMap. User:BlankVerse | talk 18:38, 29 Mar 2006 (EST)
InterWiki links are different than LocalNames (CommunityWiki:LocalNames)
You are correct, MediaWiki is not set up for local names. : MarkDilley: hi! [10:37pm] evanpro: Are you here? [10:37pm] evanpro: I have a strange question for you [10:37pm] evanpro: Well, only slightly strange [10:37pm] evanpro: It's about WikiIndex [10:37pm] MarkDilley: Hello! [10:38pm] evanpro: I was just looking at the good ol' interwiki map on usemod.com [10:38pm] evanpro: and I was thinking, man, this is really out of date [10:38pm] evanpro: I wonder if there's a site that has a comprehensive view on existent wikis... [10:38pm] MarkDilley: right [10:39pm] evanpro: ...that could serve as a focal point for developing a "canonical" (note the quotes) interwiki map [10:39pm] evanpro: ? [10:39pm] evanpro: Which is a coy and leading question [10:39pm] evanpro: Since there is one such site... [10:39pm] evanpro: ...and I've mentioned it already in this chat. [10:39pm] MarkDilley: I asked a question at WikiIndex about hwo interwiki map works with MediaWiki [10:39pm] evanpro: B-) [10:41pm] evanpro: It's a very weird system [10:41pm] evanpro: There's a database table that stores the prefix and URL pattern [10:41pm] MarkDilley: I am not sure about "canonical" [10:43pm] evanpro: Yeah [10:43pm] evanpro: Maybe... I dunno [10:43pm] evanpro: "Frequently used" [10:43pm] evanpro: Like the page on Wikitravel might note that "WikiTravel" is the frequently used IW prefix [10:43pm] evanpro: Hmm [10:43pm] MarkDilley: http://www.wikiindex.com/Category:Vibrant [10:45pm] evanpro: B-) [10:45pm] evanpro: I should probably bring this up on the community portal instead of ambushing you on IRC [10:45pm] evanpro: B-) [10:49pm] de_vogon left the chat room. (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [10:50pm] MarkDilley: I am trying to juggle another convo, sorry :-( [10:50pm] MarkDilley: and I am not sure exactly what you mean, I know what you are saying I think [10:50pm] MarkDilley: I mean, I think I understand the problem [10:51pm] MarkDilley: Please put on the wiki your ideas about how to do this...? ThanksThanks for listing WikiLens. We'd like more users. :) --Dan No problem Dan! We would like to facilitate more people to your community!! Please take some time and make your entry better representative of your wiki. :-) MarkDilley
for the how to tread lightly on newbies pageCommmuityWiki:NoSuddenMovements CommunityWiki:NoSuddenMovements edit warMark, obviously neither of us wants to be in an edit war. I haven't looked through all the changes, but I'm writing here about your re-naming of the tourbusstop. Also just as obviously, there's not a clear "rule" about which change "sticks" while we're working out a difference. I moved it from where it was and you (apparently it was you, it was unsigned) objected. I asked why and got no response. Now there's a response there and you went ahead and moved it back. This is a wiki practice issue for me at this point. In essence you reverted me and we can either have the conversation in this reverted state or I can drop the whole thing. Maybe I'm fooling myself thinking this is about something larger than my own pettiness. Part of the the problem is I've been home with the flu today so probably am more senstitive than usual today. Let's talk in a couple of days, okay? peace, TedErnst | talk 23:52, 3 Apr 2006 (EDT)
quantumFrom Wikipedia - "A quantum number is any one of a set of numbers used to specify the full quantum state of any system in quantum mechanics. Each quantum number specifies the value of a conserved quantity in the dynamics of the quantum system. Since any quantum system can have one or more quantum numbers, it is a futile job to list all possible quantum numbers." Hello MarkTalking to Ted and stopped by to understand this wonderful site a bit more. How wonderful a gift this is. Would love to connect more with you and think about you often. Skype: juliecaldwell Hugs, Julie Caldwell namesSo when you see 68.73.201.100, does it mean something to you? What about why you see WikiVanTed? Trying to get my mind around how you see things. Wanna do the same with me? TedErnst | talk 18:12, 11 Apr 2006 (EDT) My inital thoughts: I see an IP address as an anonymous edit, i.e. someone not logged in. When I see WikiVanTed it can be one of two ways to think of it. If I know you, then it is not anonymous. More often than not, I find that psudonyms are not linked to a "real person" and so they are just really anonymous contributors, similar to an IP address. For me, I have been most involved in wikis where there is a strong UseRealName standard. I don't feel connected to wiki that are not mostly real people. I want to create a one stop sign wiki town here at wiki index. Not to mean that I am not as interested in "producing" an encyclopedia of wiki links. It is just that figuring out how to help people in wiki start communicating with each other is most important for me. I like WikiIndex, in my mind we are setting up the place and asking people to come here and set up their wiki, description, tagging, etc. as a front lawn of sorts in this small one stop wiki town. I look forward when there will be metropolis of wiki. - late, rambling, best, MarkDilley So it wouldn't bother you at all if I never logged in? You don't hold my edits to a different standard than an anon? You know I'm asking because it's all about me! :-) No, actually, what I'm saying is that when I know it's you, when I see your name, even if I disagree with something you're doing, there's an automatic cutting of slack. If I see an IP, I don't know who it is. I'm more likely to simply revert. Someone not invested enough here to sign their work hasn't earned the right to ruffle feathers, I'd say. I don't have any reason to this this person will be back to answer questions I might ask about their actions. Someone with a login has something invested. And just to be clear, you and I agree on RealNames as the standard. Where we disagree (I think), is on IP vs psuedo. For me, an IP is not a person, it's a machine or an anoyance or a spammer. A psuedo is a person. I'd rather know their name and interact with them that way, but it is a person to me. It's less of a person than someone using their RealName, for sure, but way more of a person to me than is an IP. TedErnst | talk 11:45, 12 Apr 2006 (EDT) No it would never bother me if you never logged in. I would learn the IPs that you posted from. So we agree on RealNames - but we have a big gap on the Ip vs Psudonym. I feel the opposite, an psudonym is a jokester, someone who I don't think this that seriously, not a person. I feel it is a trap to think of a psudonym as an identity. An IP to me can represent the beautiful anonymity that the wiki can provide. I read IP and psudonym edits in similar light, content. I am not inclinded to revert anything that anyone has done, unless it is obvious spam, because I want them to explore their ideas, however simple they may be, or however I may not understand them yet. Much of what I have been thinking about in regards to some of our (diffs) is in the BalancingProcessAndProduct realm, if that makes any sense. I am still groking it. Thanks for your thoughtfullness Ted. Best, MarkDilley Mark, I just had a brainstorm and came here to tell you about it and found your comment. I'll give you my brainstorm first and then see if I have more to add in terms of your comment. My brainstorm has to do with the login procedure. Why do we have a UserName? Shouldn't it just be a Name? If it was a Name, would that not encourage more people to use RealNames? This will require John's help, of course. What do you think? Worth pursuing? TedErnst | talk 16:36, 12 Apr 2006 (EDT)
Sean and Ted, I think that is a great idea Ted! I have asked John to look into changing the title of Article to Wiki because that is basically what it is. I don't understand the problem with making those tweaks Sean, so if you could find a path to your suggestion, that would be fab! Well, none of our pages are articles...
Maybe none was a bit of an exageration, but I think we can come up with a better header than "Article" - I just threw out "Wiki" because that is the vast bulk of our pages.
Thanks Sean, I will check out that path! UseModMark, I see you're tidying up the UseModWiki / UseMod issue. I haven't looked at many of your edits, but I'm confused about this one. In fact, forget that, the categories themselves are confused. See this: Category:UseMod which hard redirects to UseModWiki which in turn soft redirects to Category:UseModWiki. Confusing! How should it be laid out? TedErnst | talk 12:03, 14 Apr 2006 (EDT) Teaked it a little, it is still messy. This is the whole category as wiki thing I am trying to figure out. The categories get messy. Will try to look at it later. Best, MarkDilley Doesn't seem messy to me anymore. I thought the engine was called UseMod so wondered about your move of wikis to UseModWiki and your move in the other direction as well. I didn't realize you'd cleaned it all up so they're now all UseModWiki and I've gone to the source and see that once again, I'm wrong. :-) Yes, it's true. I'm wrong. The wiki is at usemod.com (not usemodwiki.com) and has a logo that says Use Mod and yet the name of the engine is clearly UseModWiki. Strange but true! I think it's quite fine the way it is. TedErnst | talk 16:17, 14 Apr 2006 (EDT) re: wikipediaThanks, Mark. There's a lot more to do, but perhaps now that it's started, Ray's people will get to it. :-) TedErnst | talk 19:11, 24 Apr 2006 (EDT) Hey, when are you passing through? TedErnst | talk 19:11, 24 Apr 2006 (EDT) Regarding Wiki GuitarI want to make it open edit (no need for an account) but I have been having problems with spam. I also am having trouble upgrading. I upgraded to 1.6.3 today and got a bunch of SQL errors. The truth is, I don't know much about PHP, Mediawiki, or MYSQL. What I do know a lot about is Guitar and some with HTML and web design. re: deletionfeel free to undelete it - it was just nonsense, as far as I can tell - plus has nothing to do with searching - no worries if you undelete and try to do something with it - I'll watch you and learn TedErnst | talk 22:42, 9 May 2006 (EDT) Thanks MarkMark: Thanks for the welcome and updating of my pages. http://www.wikiindex.com/David_Spencer http://www.wikiindex.com/ChristianMedia.ca
Thanks for the welcome Mark. Michael_Misovec real namesMediaWiki:Prefs-help-realname (this notice appears on my preferences page) TedErnst | talk 15:21, 13 May 2006 (EDT) MediaWiki:Prefs-help-userdata (or maybe I'm confusing with this one) TedErnst | talk 15:22, 13 May 2006 (EDT) check out this page: http://www.wikiindex.com/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup there are actually 3 fields in mediawiki for names - one is Username and we've renamed that Name. one is Real name and is optional. I'm not sure what it's used for. both of these two are on the page I linked above. The third is nickname and can be seen here: http://www.wikiindex.com/Special:Preferences argh! TedErnst | talk 14:48, 14 May 2006 (EDT) Did you chop more than you meant to?http://www.wikiindex.com/index.php?title=Talk:Wiki_Index&curid=2854&diff=21393&oldid=21387 Robin Patterson 23:55, 15 May 2006 (EDT) No, maybe not - I think I see them on [Wiki_Index]], so you were probably just belatedly removing them from a temp store while doing something else. Efficiency... Robin Patterson 02:04, 16 May 2006 (EDT) Wikis for reviewFurther up the page. Commenting here in case it's useful. One way to see what hasn't been looked at for a while is special:ancientpages. (Hmmmm - interesting to see what's the most ancient at this moment!) Robin Patterson 02:04, 16 May 2006 (EDT)
Phone callsI don't do much telephoning, especially if it's something that requires deliberation. And the only really comfortable time would be weekdays from about 5.30pm NZ time (0530 UTC April to October - ie 12.30am EST?, 0630 in "summer") until about an hour later. But I love email: robinp"at"xtra.co.nz gets me almost instantly when I'm at work and within 24hr if my home PC is working. Robin Patterson 02:04, 16 May 2006 (EDT)
re: WikipediaWell, I did have a specific plan. :-) No worries. I'm not wedded to my plan. Okay, here's my thinking: Wikipedia is really important. It's important in English because it's the biggest wiki and it gets the most press. It's important in general because it's changing the way people conceive of the expert/peon split. Given that, it's really important for us to have all Wikipedias represented here. The redlinks shown on all wikipedia pages help others see that there's work to be done. It's an invitation of sorts. (As an aside, I believe this technique is useful for all wikis that have seperate language versions of the same thing. Uncyclopedia or something like that is another one I've already started. WikiMedia has other examples.) Anyway, another reason to do it is to emphasize the connections between these different wikipedias. Other wikis aren't bound the way the wikipedias are. They all have the same mission, just different languages, so tying them together tightly on our site is important. I also really like the category:wikipedia, so even if we go with my template, I'd like to put the category in it. Any change in your thoughts now that you know there's a reason? peace, TedErnst | talk 08:44, 17 May 2006 (EDT) wiki engine/wiki farmYes, you're right. I was mixed up. And yet, doesn't a wiki farm page that shows up as a category still end up becoming a sub-category? And isn't that one thing we were trying to avoid with wiki engines? Seems like a parallel issue to me. I dunno. TedErnst | talk 14:12, 19 May 2006 (EDT) Yep, check it out: Category:Multilingual add template and new wikisMark, I see you've added the structured data empty boilerplate to the add template. I think this makes it more difficult to go through category first additional as well as the unknown categories. Could we talk about this? Thanks! TedErnst | talk 18:15, 19 May 2006 (EDT)
I don't mind getting rid of first additional (even if I said otherwise before). Can you say more about the benefits of having the structured date with the add template? TedErnst | talk 21:55, 20 May 2006 (EDT) Well, before John did the add your wiki button on Community Portal, I don't think it mattered. But with people possibly entering their own wiki, the Add Structured Data box seems to be real helpful for them to figure out what to put where. Just a gut feeling, nothing more, seems to make sense to me. (also, since I was just adding that box anyways, when I added new wikis via this button) MarkDilley
Could we nuke first/second additional right now to simplify this conversation? I'm not going to do it at the moment, but let's just assume it's done.
Ok, so I add a new wiki through Johns magic wizard. We are ignoring that category first, and second, though they seem similar to me. The template has the add template. I find that useful for two reasons: 1) it has the StructuredData link on it, I think this may help people while they fill in their page. (much the way we thought category first/second would, and why I pushed for a tag in the form) 2) It adds the page to category wikis to add for folks who are working on those tasks. I am unclear why it is a problem from the view point of category unknown and category first/second. Similar to your questions: what am I missing? Help me see the benefits/problems?
It seems that step 1 needs to be finished before I can grasp what you are saying about the work flow disruption. If the ~47 wikis to add are added, then seeing how it affects step two? I will try to do that today. call tonight seems to be on track, breathing and everything. MarkDilley
Ted, you are a rockstar! MarkDilley Wiki problemshttp://undertheoak.net/drupal/taxonomy/term/1 Wiki TricksHah!! Ted is ever vigilent with spelling, as well as we all are/try to be. But there is something to leaving mistakes behind for newbies. For example, I purposefully left the spelling error for someone to fix. Ted got it! Maybe there is a use in leaving minor errors laying around? Other wiki bootstrapping ideas? I love wiki. :-)
dreamhostYou can earn an affiliate bonus if I sign up: http://dreamhost.com/rewards.html - let me know if you're going to do it - I might switch some stuff to them from godaddy 7.95/month for unlimited domains! wow, awesome! TedErnst | talk 20:47, 24 May 2006 (EDT) Time zonesWhat's the UTC equivalent of "10:15pm EST"? Robin Patterson 21:56, 1 June 2006 (EDT)
Welcome, recent visitorsSee my real page. Robin Patterson 22:12, 1 June 2006 (EDT) softie!yes, that's a good thing :-) thanks! TedErnst | talk 22:47, 8 June 2006 (EDT) Status: Building?What the heck is that? TedErnst | talk 12:38, 11 June 2006 (EDT)
I didn't know it was possible to have folksonomy in the structured data. I learn so much from you! Doesn't it need to now be listed as one of our status categoires? TedErnst | talk 13:39, 11 June 2006 (EDT)
Not poking fun. You saw my reaction to "Building". I changed it to active. You changed it back and I am seeing now that that's how things evolve with wiki. We can't, even if we wanted to, control everything and decide in advance how things are going to work. In some ways it's strange that we have structured data at all. So far I think this is the first example of a structured data category being created by someone other than "us." That's pretty cool if we let it happen. Good stuff. And sorry that it felt like I was poking fun. Your radical inclusiveness is somehow not obvious to me, yet it's definitely where I want to go. TedErnst | talk 12:38, 12 June 2006 (EDT) hahaha
It's actually fine to revert while I'm in the middle of this b/c I can just get my version out of history to finish it. THEN, you can revert for real :-) TedErnst | talk 10:41, 14 June 2006 (EDT)
dreams of wiki-indexing / microformats vs StructuredData ?Bonjour Mark Currently a long time I've not been here and not a lot of time to make any french-synchro-translation. I'd be interested to have your opinion on the opportunity/way to bridge some Microformats-wiki with the StructuredData project ? Completely newbie on the subject, but the perspectives seem to be interesting. -- Christophe Ducamp | <small>talk 07:10, 15 June 2006 (EDT) delete template and discussionMark, thanks for the note. I definitely agree with you that short conversations, especially about a potential delete, should be on the page itself, rather than the talk page. My edit was just trying to get you what you were trying to get. Glad I succeeded! :-) TedErnst | talk 13:11, 19 June 2006 (EDT)
Talk:ThisWiki:Copyrightplease weigh in - please confirm John's call on consensus or weigh in with whatever other work we still need to do - thanks! TedErnst | talk 16:52, 22 June 2006 (EDT) Monday meetingWe'll see. I'll try to make at ;east a few of them. —User:Sean Fennel@ 19:20, 1 July 2006 (EDT) "click" text smallerI'm not sure it can be done. Do we really need the "click"? TedErnst | talk 01:50, 3 July 2006 (EDT)
I don't have anything invested in that word being there or not. I just don't think there's any way to make it smaller, short of using html instead of the section headings (===). Me neither, I was just hoping to make it smaller! ;-) Wiki RepresentativesHello, I noticed the convo on the welcome talk page, and would like to help (I'm also the person who suggested becoming a directory of websites, not just wikis :P), oh and the admin of PSConclave_Wiki, and would like to be the representative, and possibly help you set up this representative system. Elliotgoodrich 15:38, 4 July 2006 (EDT) ThanksHi, I forgot to put a description on my site (wikipaddle), thanks for doing it for me. I hope my site is ok to include on you wiki. Thanks, George. subpages to the extreme exampleCheck this out: http://www.hsalum.com/wiki/Main_Page/Michigan/B/Beverly_Hills/Wylie_E._Groves_High_School/1993/Ernst%2C_Ted Hi! KirkKitchen hereWe use a wiki at work for software development. woo woo woo. I'm in Grand Rapids 4 days a week working. sorry about thatdidn't mean to jump in while you were still working - need to remember to check timestamps! hope all is well - I won't make it tonight - peace, ted
Ok, I see now, no worries and sorry for my part in it. Best, Mark wordsI have no intention of challenging your use of the word weblog instead of blog. I am curious why it means so much to you. You're the only one I know that uses the word weblog and at the same time, the choice of that word seems very important to you, to the point of changing when I write blog into weblog. I will use the word weblog here (though I use it nowhere else). No worries. Just curious. hugs, TedErnst | talk 00:42, 2 August 2006 (EDT)
Well here it goes, some thoughts on the weblog v blog controversy: To me, I started out wanting to merge wiki and blog, I created WikiBlog over at Meatball Wiki - SunirShah mentioned to me that the word blog was a horrible word and we should not use it (this is from memory, folks). I asked him why he thought that and he wrote down a convincing few lines. I can't find the original words. But it went a little something like this: The word blog is an onomatopoeia, and it sounds gross. By googling for blog is an ugly word I found these examples to use. It sits heavy in the mouth, confuses everyone, and conjures up images of some wasting disease or putrid creature, and it’s just a misshapen lump of a word. I am not a fan of Blog is an ugly word but we're stuck with it., it is a wiki, we can decide ourselves! ;-) - I wish to come to agreement to use weblog instead of blog - we would be being true to the orgin of both. It is said that weblog was pulled apart we blog, some people don't like the word wiki, either. I hope this brings up good questions or other ideas. Best, Mark
blog vs. weblogNo problem at all! --Raymond King | talk 12:46, 2 August 2006 (EDT) crossing my fingersthe mean spam filter doesn't get me! Chinarut 01:56, 3 August 2006 (EDT) promoting our wikiaMark - how do we get our various wikia as promoted on your home page as they hit critical mass? Muppets, World, Psychology and others are pretty cool now! Gil
GPMI Wiki is dead (for now)Hi, Mark. After over a year without much activity except for my use of it as whip of the SCC, I've taken down the GPMIWiki. If there is demand for a new instance, I'll be happy to help, but there's not much point in having it just hanging out there waiting for spammers to abuse it when nobody is interested in using it for its intended purpose. - David A Spitzley 8/10/06 10:06pm sub-categoriesI thought we decided they were okay, after Ray's presentation about nesting categories? TedErnst | talk 10:56, 15 August 2006 (EDT) add and need to clean this damned page uphttp://www.brown.edu/Students/GSC/wiki/Main_Page RC patrol?I didn't know Ray knew how to do it. I've never seen anyone but me do it here. :-) Glad to have you aboard! TedErnst | talk 01:01, 17 August 2006 (EDT) I think Ray had to learn about it for AboutUs!!! Masisve recent change churn. :-) questions in edit summary?How do we answer? is it ok to keep the external link in the structured data box? what does this mean? TedErnst | talk 01:39, 17 August 2006 (EDT) idea for signifying that the community is taking care of its page.We have a badge or something, that says, this site is managed or looked after for by the owner of the wiki being mentioned. This is also applicable for AboutUs. Also, Ted you are right, I was rushed and asked it in the notes, not a good idea generally. The point was, do we want to enforece keeping likes to the front page and recent changes to the structured data? Best, Mark
SitemapThe php script has to be installed by someone with access to the server directory where the wiki resides, so wiki adminship probably isn't enough, I think you have to have ftp access to the server. Dryguy 18:44, 23 August 2006 (EDT) Great meeting you!Hi Mark, it was very nice meeting you at the WikiSym konference! I just wanted to let you know that, and thank you again for giving me a short interview, which turned out quite well, in terms of material for the film. You had some key points, and I was happy to see they came across, when I reviewed the material today :-) --Morten Blaabjerg 19:49, 24 August 2006 (EDT)
Open Project Development(answer to the question on http://projects.wikia.com ) Thank you for asking this question. I mean that 'normal' (or common?) wikis are made to store information. This is not for this (or at least, not only for this): it wants to lead people to activity, or let them organize their activity. This wiki is wiki + activity. --Let's 20:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC) (my first language is italian, it's difficult for me to explain it...) --Let's 17:21, 4 September 2006 (EDT)
WikiMaas agendaHi Mark, Did you return from Denmark well? Do you still want me to write something about the WikiMaas agenda for WikiIndex? If yes, can you give a little indication on the length and such? Greetings, Sander (http://wikimaas.org/Sander) Insert non-formatted text here wikitravel issueMark, I've been having an interesting discussion with Gil of wikia about wikitravel and their competition. Check out his latest answer. TedErnst | talk 10:54, 14 September 2006 (EDT) Moving pagesThanks for the vote of confidence, by moving The Wiki Synergy Project to the main space. A technical point for future reference - using the "move" function (a tab at the top if you're using the normal skin) instead of cutting and pasting, has the advantage of transferring the article history, and updating people's watchlists as well. Thanks --Chris Watkins/Singkong2005 talk 22:37, 23 September 2006 (EDT)
check out this userUser:JenniferForUnity - see her contributions - awesome energy around the category system TedErnst | talk 15:58, 17 October 2006 (EDT) Category talk:Blogplease see: Category talk:Blog Re: Hello"Hi Jennifer, I am at WikiIndex and was wondering if you had seen this: [3]. Looks like you are doing some cool stuff here. Look forward..Best, MarkDilley"
visual wiki indexHi Mark, please would you have a look on this: Proposal:Visual WikiIndex --Peu 17:17, 24 October 2006 (EDT) blog functionality in media wikihttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/My_blog PB Wiki Networkhttp://pbwikinetwork.pbwiki.com/ contact meMark, thanks for your note. You can contact me wiki at dave jenkins dot com (really). Davejenk1ns 00:44, 11 July 2007 (EDT) requestCould you delete my userpage, User:Canderous and the page Canderous? Thanks Canderous 05:16, 15 August 2007 (EDT) What do you think about external wikiindex entry points?Hi Mark, please have a look on Proposal:WikiIndex Pages on indexed Wikis --Wolf | talk 07:03, 3 October 2007 (EDT) Sysop-tagHi Mark, There's a new template:sysop that can be used to tag users, which are currently active sysops. I think this will be good, because only sysops have the right to bluck/unblock and if someone feels blocked he needs help. --Wolf | talk 06:43, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
Reporting spammers
Seems to be one of those new kinds of spammers who vandalise (with gibberish) a few times, then link spam a few pages. Probably bears watching. Nathan 22:48, 14 October 2007 (EDT)
SynergyHi Mark, Lots of exciting stuff happening at Appropedia - including connecting with new people and groups. I know you like to see synergy happening, so would be happy to fwd/cc an an email. I have good internet for a few days too, so Skype is possible - I'm Chriswaterguy on that system, and to send an electronic letter, it's the same username with the appropedia and the organizational suffix. Would be good to bounce ideas around. --Chris Watkins a.k.a. Chriswaterguy talk 08:52, 1 November 2007 (EDT) the timezone...Hi Mark, ...template exists now and seem to work properly. Greetings --Wolf | talk 03:21, 23 November 2007 (EST) TransWikiThanks for your interest! Personally, I feel that public transit is a huge part of our society's structure (Even as I write this, a public transit bus has just drove by). Hundreds of cities use public transit systems, all of which have many links, and they all have separate websites. TransWiki allows us, as a society, to bring together all the information about public transit systems into one site, making it easy to access and to allow people how to use their systems more efficiently. :) - Enzo Aquarius 18:47, 10 December 2007 (EST) Section in "your" listHi Mark, I hope you did'nt make it by hand. The Numbering was for the total amount, but sections are no problem to me. Maybe I'll sort/reformat it from time to time. But I hope the list will be done sometimes. Best regards, Wolf | talk 17:30, 13 March 2008 (EDT) HeyHey Mark, you might like to clear this out and yeah try updating to the latest version of MediaWiki (1.12.0.) which is more stable than the previous version..cheers...--Comets 13:37, 24 March 2008 (EDT) politics.ie wikiSince you contributed to Politics.ie article, wanted you to know of a question at Talk:Politics.ie Wiki. --EarthFurst 17:41, 23 April 2008 (EDT) WikiaHello, Markdilley. Can the KUW (A german Club about Wikis) make a german version of Wikiindex on Wikia? When yes, than please write on my talkpage on Wikia. Thank, you! Gruß, BobaCartman 10:58, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
Cool, thanks!Thanks for the welcome, Mark! BushyTree 20:06, 6 July 2008 (EDT) VandalUser:Deborah has vandalized the Conservapedia article. Proxima Centauri 17:09, 30 July 2008 (EDT) Deborah deleted everything she didn't like again. I've restored it for the moment. Proxima Centauri 12:56, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
User:Deborah has deleted everything she didn't like again. I've restored it for the moment yet again. I suggest you contact her and ask her to compromise. My computer's broken down and I'm limited to public computers at the moment. Proxima Centauri 10:59, 6 August 2008 (EDT) I've registered with About Us with my real name but I'm having second thoughts as Internet safety experts advise against this. I haven't activated the account yet. Proxima Centauri 17:03, 28 August 2008 (EDT) Problem userDagoth Ur, Mad God has an account here. I suggest you watch him. I don’t know the truth. Proxima Centauri 15:27, 8 September 2008 (EDT)
Lost Password and no Email Addy RegisteredHello, I am User:YouWiki and I run Youwiki. I have forgotten my password and I have not registered my email address in the WikiIndex system. Could you please delete my account or send me my password via my talk page on YouWiki (go to User Talk:Willemhenskens) so that I can log in to update my page? Thanks. A new sysop?Hi Mark, what would you think about MarvelZuvembie as Sysop? At present, he's the most active user and seems to be interested in sysop-stuff. Best --Wolf | talk 03:09, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
ConservaèdiaHello, I have a question: Are wiki-index articles supposed to be filled with hateful criticism of the wikis? It is weird, but the only wiki in the whole wiki-index with a criticism section is Conservapedia. And it takes most of the article! I think it should be only an index. Do not you think? People of RationalWiki (Guilk, Proxima Centauri, Ellasint) should not be the ones who edit that article! In every other single article of this wikiindex, the editors of the article on a wiki are its administrators or people involved with the wiki directly. Except Conservapedia. It does not deserve it because it is christian! Liberals talk a lot about discrimination but they are the most discriminating anyone would ever find. It is really discriminating, I ask you please to intervene and let the CP's people to manage their own entry. I am not a conservapedian, I am not really interested on managing that entry, I just think it is not fair at all. Wiki-index should not be a place where to push personal agendas. Summary:
I think it should be enough with a sentence like "This site only accepts contributions from a biblic christian point of view, any other kind of contributions can lead to a block of the user" to explain users the likes of being blocked there I hope you can intervene. This whole thing is sick and discriminating The neutrality of this beautiful wiki-index is being riskedEros of Fire 08:10, 19 November 2008 (EST) |